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New Advair Inhaler vs the old dial pack

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Michelle Moreland Orlando - 26 Sep 2007 09:33 GMT
I went to see my allergist a week ago due to needing a check-up and
having lost a tremendous amount of weight in the last three months due
to an illness and under an internist and gastro doctor and weight
water loss from two types of fluid reduction med.

I have developed a productive bronchial cought with no sign of
infection in sputum and low -grade fever that started a week ago, and
was told I have a viral infection and it has to run its course.

When reviewing my medical chart and the same day spiro tests, it
showed since loosing weight my peaks on test have gone up 110 %!

I asked if I could have a lower Advair dial pack from 500 to 250 that
I had been on two years ago.
Nurse practitioner showed me the newest Advair with new doses and it
is Advair HFA and put me on a lower dose and gave me a sample of the
inhaler. Well, I don't like it, I am going to try to get the lower
dose of the old Advair diskus that has the window that shows how much
doses remain. With the newer hand inhaler that is like a rescue
inhaler, you have to shake it for 5 seconds, spray in mouth while
inhaling, then count and hold  breath for 10 seconds and wait and
count for 30 secs and shake again the inhaler for 5 sec and inhale and
spray while drawing in breath. You are having to make sure you count
how much is left inside of the canister.

Hopefull next week I can change and get new prescription and lower
dosage of the Advair Diskus.

Anyone else using the new inhaler with the new dosage?

Michelle
Dragonfly - 29 Sep 2007 23:27 GMT
On Sep 26, 1:33 am, Michelle Moreland Orlando
<graywol...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Hopefull next week I can change and get new prescription and lower
> dosage of the Advair Diskus.
>
> Anyone else using the new inhaler with the new dosage?
>
> Michelle

I've been using advair for about six months now.  Mine is the 50/500
one, and looks exactly like this one: http://medlibrary.org/medwiki/Advair

Its a discus, has an internal dose counter, is NOT to be shaken, and I
at least only take one dose at a time (twice a day, though).  It does
require you to hold your breath for about ten seconds, but then ANY
inhaler would need to be kept in your lungs for at least that long.
Otherwise, you breath it in and imediately breath it out and get very
very little of the medication actually in where it needs to be.

As far as other inhalers that don't have an internal counter, just
tape on a slip of paper and mark it every time you take a dose.  Its
easy, simple, and you never have to wonder if you're breathing in just
propellant AND you know ahead of time when you're going to run out of
it.  That's what I did with my Qvar maintenance inhaler before I got
the advair.  As far as the holding your breath well um .. you should
be doing that with any inhaled medication.  And counting seconds isn't
exactly very complicated either.  I am not sure just what you're
complaining about really...

Dragonfly
00doc - 30 Sep 2007 16:12 GMT
> As far as other inhalers that don't have an internal counter, just
> tape on a slip of paper and mark it every time you take a dose.  Its
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> exactly very complicated either.  I am not sure just what you're
> complaining about really...

I can see this  being an issue with as needed meds that you do not take ona
regular schedule but it shouldn't be much of an issue with daily maintenance
meds. Just use a calendar.

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00doc - 30 Sep 2007 16:23 GMT
> On Sep 26, 1:33 am, Michelle Moreland Orlando
> <graywol...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> Otherwise, you breath it in and imediately breath it out and get very
> very little of the medication actually in where it needs to be.

Personally I've never really understood the advice to wait between puffs of
MDI's. If things are severe enough that drug may not be getting down deep
(which is pretty severe) I can see waiting a bit to let the lungs open some
but this is not an issue for maintenance meds or even rescue meds if not
having a severe attack.

When you take a breath some of the air makes it down to the gas exchange
area and some gets stuck in the air passages (the "dead space"). When you
blow the air out of your loungs you are emptying the exchange areas mostly
and to a lesser extent the dead space. When you breathing and tale a puff
the first bit of air has nothing then there are increasing then decreasing
concentrations of drug. While you hold your breath drug in the air gets a
chance to diffuse out of the air and into the respiratory secretions lining
the lung surfaces and the drug equilibrates between all the spaces. When you
breath out there is still drug left in the remaining gas exchange areas and
the dead spaces. I don't really see the advantae of waiting for the next
puff and just breathing that drug out.

What I do is blow the air out and then puff as I inhale. Then hold my
breath. Then breath out fully and immediately take another deep breath with
the second puff and hold that again. This way you re-use the drug that was
left over after the first puff. it makes much more sense to me and is much
easier than sitting there for some time between puffs.

In reality the amunts of drug are probably small and it probably all makes
very little difference. AT least my way is faster and more conveniant.

> As far as other inhalers that don't have an internal counter, just
> tape on a slip of paper and mark it every time you take a dose.  Its
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> exactly very complicated either.  I am not sure just what you're
> complaining about really...

I forgot to mention - the new Ventolin HFA inhaler comes with a dose
counter.

So does the Asmanex steroid dry powder inhaler.

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pavane - 30 Sep 2007 23:00 GMT
> I forgot to mention - the new Ventolin HFA inhaler comes with a dose
> counter.
>
> So does the Asmanex steroid dry powder inhaler.

So by default does the Foradil inhaler as you must insert
a new capsule for each puff so you simply keep track of
the remaining capsules.

pavane
 
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