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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Asthma / August 2007more proof particulate pollution kills
Likewise, a 2005 study by researchers at the University of Southern California's Keck School of Medicine showed that long-term exposure to ambient particulate matter may contribute to atherosclerosis, the hardening and narrowing of the arteries. "Particle pollution kills people, whether they're breathing it in over a short period or day in and day out for a year," Nolen says. "It's not like being hit by a car, but it shortens the lives of people by months to years." Even if you live in a city with low pollution levels, don't kid yourself; that doesn't necessarily mean your commute is healthy. A 2007 report by the Clean Air Task Force that investigated diesel exhaust levels during commutes in New York, Boston, Austin, Texas, and Columbus, Ohio, documented diesel particle levels four to eight times higher inside commuter cars, buses and trains than in those cities' ambient outdoor air. The only commutes found to be low in diesel exposure were those on electric-powered subways and commuter trains, buses running on alternative fuels or retrofitted with diesel particulate filters, and in cars traveling with little truck traffic. Top Tips While you can't exactly control the safety levels of the roads you're driving on, and moving may not be on your agenda, you can do something. To minimize your exposure to pollution, Conrad Schneider, advocacy director for the Clean Air Task Force, says drivers should try to avoid roads filled with trucks' diesel exhaust. If you can't avoid traveling with trucks, close your windows and set your air to recirculate. Of course, carpooling or taking public transit can cut congestion and travel times. You could also support the Clean Air Task Force and the American Lung Association's campaigns, which urge the EPA to set stricter pollution standards. "There's no excuse in 2007 to have trucks belch black smoke in our faces when there are solutions to reduce the problem," Schneider says. Thanks for that info - it made me think about home air cleaners. Do you happen to know of any good info/sources re home air cleaners? I guess I could proably look up some reviews on Consumer Reports - but would like info that is appropriate and validated for folks like me with COPD. I think part of my problem may be sensitivity to ordinary household irritants. thanks > Thanks for that info - it made me think about home air cleaners. Do > you happen to know of any good info/sources re home air cleaners? I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > thanks What you want is a good HEPA filter. Stay away from ozone and ion devices.  Signature00doc >> Thanks for that info - it made me think about home air cleaners. Do >> you happen to know of any good info/sources re home air cleaners? I [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Stay away from ozone and ion devices. There are certain things one can do to improve upon the hepa filters.. My room set up looks like a hospital room > Thanks for that info - it made me think about home air cleaners. Do > you happen to know of any good info/sources re home air cleaners? I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > thanks about the cod, part. I don't know any cleaners that market specificly to copd patients. second, there is allot of data that suggests hepa filters or air filters in general do little to get the finest particulate levels or make a big difference. I tend to agree, I tried allot of them and some are useless like ioners and even the ones with uv rays , at least in my estimation. Hepa filters work in my estimation but It certainly won't make a big difference and it won't stop me from needing asthma meds when the particulate rates are really high. I just want to know the extent of damage I am living under thats rarely gone over , give me the damage risks, thats all I ask. the news media is sssssssssssssssssssilent..unbelievable except for an occasional true piece that will rarely reach the places that have most particulates especially on the tv news. Makes one think there is a conspiracy > I just want to know the extent of damage I am living under thats rarely gone > over , give me the damage risks, thats all I ask. the news media is > sssssssssssssssssssilent..unbelievable except for an occasional true piece > that will rarely reach the places that have most particulates especially on > the tv news. Makes one think there is a conspiracy Air quality inside the home is worse than outside in the vast majority of homes. Every major city I have ever been in announces high pollution warning days on the news on a regular basis. >> I just want to know the extent of damage I am living under thats rarely >> gone over , give me the damage risks, thats all I ask. the news media is [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Every major city I have ever been in announces high pollution warning days > on the news on a regular basis. But thats not my complaint even though my city doesn't do it.If particulate pollution kills or sickens. whats the ratio at which people get sick much more then others? I say its not writen about or the studies made to warn or predict damages and my perceptions is the people in this mess either the most times past the good levels (moderate or worse) suffer more illness like in our town.then those that get good air. NOte the study that say particulate pollution kills didn't go on to suggest when exactly. ALL I know is if they did the studies it would be easy to compare the damages simply using the particulate levels people breath and comparing same lifestyles like food intake. You really don't even have to compare averages just take people on streets that have much truck and traffic pollution and compare their health to people in clean air. I bet everything I own they do worse in many areas. Yet how many of them know of the dangers? some might but many don't. Its the other degrees of danger like people living in moderate pollution or more the most times. Thats not studied so instead a way to get around that is to rank cities by utilizing total amounts, which again would show my city not as toxic yet we really are cause we get levels that are strong enough to sicken the most times ( or close). > But thats not my complaint even though my city doesn't do it.If particulate > pollution kills or sickens. whats the ratio at which people get sick much > more then others? > I say its not writen about or the studies made to warn We've had this discussion before to which you ignore. There have been studies all over the world and they are contradictory and thus inconclusive. Polluted cities such as Mexico City and Athens have done such studies and showed a lower number of asthmatics than average rather than higher. Some cities with rather low particulates have seen above average number of asthmatics. The studies are out there but they are very inconclusive. > We've had this discussion before to which you ignore. There have been > studies all over the world and they are contradictory and thus [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > average number of asthmatics. The studies are out there but they are > very inconclusive. Yeah, but the CDC docs I know think that most Mexicans have asthma based on their observation of the ones who are here in the US. So there you go. > Yeah, but the CDC docs I know think that most Mexicans have asthma based on > their observation of the ones who are here in the US. > > So there you go. Um..ok! Mexicans in the USA are representative of the population living in Mexico City? Hmm. > Um..ok! Mexicans in the USA are representative of the population living > in Mexico City? Hmm. Where do you think they came from? HMMMM. >> Um..ok! Mexicans in the USA are representative of the population living >> in Mexico City? Hmm. > > Where do you think they came from? HMMMM. Mexico is a big country. It's much more than just Mexico City!! Let me ask you to post the study. I would like to at least know who did the study. > >> Um..ok! Mexicans in the USA are representative of the population living > >> in Mexico City? Hmm. > > > > Where do you think they came from? HMMMM. > > Mexico is a big country. It's much more than just Mexico City!! > Let me ask you to post the study. I would like to at least know who did the > study. Already did in discussions with MCS. Do a search. Thanks for your contribution. I really rarely read your posts so I probably missed it. When you make a pain of yourself, that happens. > > Let me ask you to post the study. I would like to at least know who did the > > study. > > Already did in discussions with MCS. Do a search. > Thanks for your contribution. I really rarely read your posts so I probably > missed it. When you make a pain of yourself, that happens. Funny, thats why I rarely read your own posts! Ah well. That is fine with me. Why don't you just ignore MCS too. > > Thanks for your contribution. I really rarely read your posts so I probably > > missed it. When you make a pain of yourself, that happens. > > Funny, thats why I rarely read your own posts! Ah well. > That is fine with me. Why don't you just ignore MCS too. Hmm...Do you ignore those that some nick on a screen tells you? No, I try to be impartial. But you have nothing to offer. > > That is fine with me. Why don't you just ignore MCS too. > > Hmm...Do you ignore those that some nick on a screen tells you? <cuts> > I just want to know the extent of damage I am living under thats rarely gone > over , give me the damage risks, thats all I ask. the news media is > sssssssssssssssssssilent..unbelievable except for an occasional true piece > that will rarely reach the places that have most particulates especially on > the tv news. Makes one think there is a conspiracy The problem is not a conspiracy (oh god save us from such paranoia....). Seriously? You CAN get your air quality tested. There are also many things you can do, easily and cheaply, to vastly improve the air quality in your house and car. The government isn't responsible for this. The media isn't responsible either, and even less responsible to report on such things... It is somewhat insane to think that the news media is "deficient" for not covering this. And this is coming from a semi-pro journalist who's worked for a few major news outlets. The news media reports on things that are a- going to interest their readers/viewers in continuing to read/listen to their particular news outlet, or b- will make the news agency look good or c- will encourage the advertizers to want to spend more of their advertizing budget on their particular news agency. The way a story gets chosen to either be run, or to be put aside is in most cases ultimately based on the goals of the enws agency and on the financial base of the company (ie. the advertizing agencies that buy ad-space from that particular news agency). So. With that understanding of just what influences the stories that a news agency selects to run, does it make sense now why such a thing as an individual's in-home air quality and the specifics on potential damages and risk of disease and/or damage from unhealthy in-hone air quality is not often reported on? So, given this understanding, now a few suggestions on just where to find the information you seem to be wanting: Try either emailing or writing a letter to the various governmental or private organizations who are involved in the specific health issues you are concerned about regarding air quality; the American lung Association comes immediately to mind, but there are others. Also, contact the government's national public health department and ask them about this and specifically ask for any studies they may have related to this topic. Another place would be four-year universities who offer undergrad and postgrad degrees in related fields (public health and safety, nurse/veterinary science, life sciences in general, and lots of others!) Finally, if you are very concerned, which you do sound like you really are, joking aside, look into companies who offer air quality testing and find out how much it would cost to have your home air quality tested. I've no idea at all of what companies do this or what price range you'd be looking at, but what I DO know is that there are companies that exist that do these kinds of tests. Another thing that might be of interest is to connect with people working on enhancing air quality in the workplace, in factories, in industrial settings. They might have some suggestions of not only where to look for this information, but possibly also what things you could do yourself on a smaller scale. Finally, the one thing that I know of that for sure will help your in- home air quality improve is to have a fair number of green growing plants in every room of your house. Again, this is something you will want to research a bit, but I (being a biological sciences student) know that there are specific plants that are highly effective in taking in air-born toxins and increasing the purity of the air around them. Hope this helps at least point you towards some solutions for your lack of knowledge! Let me know if you get confused by something I posted, or need more help refining just where to get the info you want and how to go about getting the results you're after. Good luck! Dragonfly > <cuts> >> I just want to know the extent of damage I am living under thats rarely [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > The problem is not a conspiracy (oh god save us from such > paranoia....). a conspiracy is not important to you if your not affected. I say people are being affected and losing their health to particulate pollution. Why more isn't being done is because its not even reported that which is important. . I can see ten reports on tummy tucks and not one on our city having the most asthma or people needing respiratory meds the most then every city in the nation. or which city gets clean air the least.. another potential link that proves damages if they wanted to. That isn't a complete conspiracy but the damaging affects are effectively kept from people who don't read the newsgroups. > Seriously? You CAN get your air quality tested. There are also many > things you can do, easily and cheaply, to vastly improve the air > quality in your house and car. I go to epa website and have determined they are fairly accurate.. I have my air filter from intake vent to show anyone proof of my contentions.I invite people to see and compare how many of us need health care and at what age and how many doctors and hospitals we have in use compared to people in good air. I dont' have any doubt what the results would be if comparisins medically were had. I already know we have more cancers and heart disease, and asthma and respiratory disease and this before we had so many days without good air. so now what. What if we are really being exposed to toxic air and kids are set up for disease. you think people care? We are living in heartless society and for reasons because of some of the things I mentioned. Gov knows all this is happening which is why politicians don't answer. > The government isn't responsible for this. The media isn't > responsible either, and even less responsible to report on such > things... It is somewhat insane to think that the news media is > "deficient" for not covering this no its not, I can't think of anything more important then people losing their health years faster then other people. . And this is coming from a semi-pro > journalist who's worked for a few major news outlets. The news media > reports on things that are a- going to interest their readers/viewers > in continuing to read/listen to their particular news outlet, or b- > will make the news agency look good or c- will encourage the > advertizers to want to spend more of their advertizing budget on their > particular news agency. yada the news makes what is important. they keep taking over each other and peoples opinions and concerns are seldom addressed. rich people make the issues that people will be concerned about. We have more murders in the US then amercians dying in Iraq.. We could see pennies from space in the 60s, we can't find terrorists without a comjmunication system? We know the consequences from pollution but why do anything if we need energy and keep the rich from having to pay to clean up their mess. You have to be virtually a millionare to get elected to Most Senate and Congressional seats. There are tons of issues that news doesn't go over and so I beg to differ. The major tv stations all have the same stories and headlines.. rarely caring or looking into what I think is important like objectivity. Paris hilton is important to public not the alternative energy , not because people don't care, its because the news makes people interested in what the news wants them to care about. Pollution and its affects especially in places that get consistent amounts of pollution without good air has shown time and again to cause harm yet they rarely report it. Kids are told to exercise yet exercising in bad air can do more harm then good and I am here to verify that. I can go on and on. If you think people can live well and be happy in bad air our city is proof its hard. We are losing population and have thousands of people shooting each other and the highest asthma and murder rates. I have been in clean air cities and for the most part the level of participation in sports and positive activity is attainable compared to here where literally its not. > The way a story gets chosen to either be run, or to be put aside is in > most cases ultimately based on the goals of the enws agency and on the > financial base of the company (ie. the advertizing agencies that buy > ad-space from that particular news agency). Profits at the expense of truth or what the people want, Its easier to accept ads for health care then to telll people why they need it. > So. With that understanding of just what influences the stories that > a news agency selects to run, does it make sense now why such a thing [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > you are concerned about regarding air quality; the American lung > Association comes immediately to mind, but there are others Many people are concerned since I started writting , its just that this gov is doing very little and news organization could care less who is affected and I swear to god peopel are losing their life only because where they live. years of life ..gov don't have any responsible to protect or warn people ? polluters dont' have any responsibilty to clean up what kills people? . Also, > contact the government's national public health department and ask > them about this and specifically ask for any studies they may have > related to this topic. Another place would be four-year universities > who offer undergrad and postgrad degrees in related fields (public > health and safety, nurse/veterinary science, life sciences in general, > and lots of others!) I have! this gov does not care about people! they won't even answer you! I asked countless times politicians and gov officials to correlate the damages from particulate pollution and I get no answer! > Finally, if you are very concerned, which you do sound like you really > are, joking aside, look into companies who offer air quality testing [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > taking in air-born toxins and increasing the purity of the air around > them. Yah know plants can't hurt but its not going to stop an attack . Particulate pollution kills . One study I didn't need to know what I already know. The point is at what point is it harming and how many and when.. When they compare and do the tests you tell me about gov not needing to protect people.. > Hope this helps at least point you towards some solutions for your > lack of knowledge! Let me know if you get confused by something I > posted, or need more help refining just where to get the info you want > and how to go about getting the results you're after. Good luck! > > Dragonfly (See below for quoted reference...) Change starts with one person working to make a difference, like I and many others are doing. Change does NOT happen from whining and bitching about problems, like you did. I personally have severe, barely controlled asthma, am on two maintenance inhalers and a regularly-used nebulizer. I'd say I'm one of the people very affected by air quality. I do care. And I have done the research, like I suggested you do. I have also, within my financial limits, done what I can do to improve my quality of life and health by increasing air quality in the places where I live, work, and attend school. I also have and am still doing my part to change the world in this regard, through education, dispersion of relevant information and studies, and active lobbying to change laws. Have you done as much? As far as the news media, I don't know where you get your info, but I get mine straight from the horses mouth. I, my partner, and many of our friends work in the news industry, as journalists, reporters, photojournalists, and editors of major news sources in the United States. I have also had conversations with other news professionals in other fields of expertise. What I told you about how the media functions is accurate as of right now, in the United States. But you don't really care, do you? You just want something to bitch about, like far too many people. Wish I'd known you were just a bitcher, I'd not have wasted my time and energy trying to help you. Dragonfly -annoyed at having wasted time over this... > a conspiracy is not important to you if your not affected. I say people are > being affected and losing their health to particulate pollution. Why more [quoted text clipped - 137 lines] > > > Dragonfly > But you don't really care, do you? You just want something to bitch > about, like far too many people. Wish I'd known you were just a > bitcher, I'd not have wasted my time and energy trying to help you. Dragonfly, At this point I personally find it hard to believe you have really suffered. If you had you would expend whatever time and energy it took. > > But you don't really care, do you? You just want something to bitch > > about, like far too many people. Wish I'd known you were just a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > At this point I personally find it hard to believe you have really suffered. > If you had you would expend whatever time and energy it took. Asthma is not the only thing wrong with me, I also have a severe, incurable (but somewhat treatable) disease that often exacerbates the asthma. And, unlike you apparently, I am mortal and only have so much time and energy to spare. I get very pissed off when I put in the time and effort to write a long, detailed post about potential avenues of research and potential ideas for making their condition better and yet more places to go to seek out other ideas, and get a bitch bitch bitch response. That is time wasted, time I could have spent doing something that would actually be productive. Oh yes, and let's all play the "you're not sick enough" game... Shall I scan in the emergency room reports and medical bills, and the frightened letters my partner wrote to my friends and family when my doctor told us how much chance I had of my asthma killing me, so that you can feel assured that I do in fact have severe asthma? *PLONK* to both of you. Dragonfly P.S. to those of you unfamiliar with usenet tradition, a "plonk" is the sound effect of getting killfiled. Go waste someone else's time. > P.S. to those of you unfamiliar with usenet tradition, a "plonk" is > the sound effect of getting killfiled. Go waste someone else's time. Why do people find in necessary to announce to the world that they are ignoring someone? If you wish to ignore then do so. > > P.S. to those of you unfamiliar with usenet tradition, a "plonk" is > > the sound effect of getting killfiled. Go waste someone else's time. > > Why do people find in necessary to announce to the world that they are > ignoring someone? If you wish to ignore then do so. I can't answer for anyone but myself, but when I tell someone I'm killfiling them, its because I consider it more polite to inform said person rather than just suddenly ignoring them. I usually give no warning of my ending communication only when the person is clearly a troll and nothing else. I'm sure some people do it to get the last word, though... *Dragonfly* http://dragonflychaos.deviantart.com/ http://glitterychaos.livejournal.com/ > I can't answer for anyone but myself, but when I tell someone I'm > killfiling them, its because I consider it more polite to inform said > person rather than just suddenly ignoring them. I usually give no > warning of my ending communication only when the person is clearly a > troll and nothing else. To each their own I suppose!! Warning that you will now ignore them? I do not thing most people would give a dang if you plonked them. > > I can't answer for anyone but myself, but when I tell someone I'm > > killfiling them, its because I consider it more polite to inform said [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > To each their own I suppose!! Warning that you will now ignore them? I > do not thing most people would give a dang if you plonked them. True. Certainly not those that have been a problem thus far on this newsgroup at the very least care if they are plonked. Add Merlin, Ironjustist (Doe) the B people, the air cleaner types................ I could care less what most people feel about what I post here at this point. This is a condition where every "expert" is willing to offer their worthless advice. I can say that for a fact after years and years here.Good luck to you giving useful informational There has been so much junk, no one really can claim the upper ground. > True. Certainly not those that have been a problem thus far on this > newsgroup at the very least care if they are plonked. Add Merlin, > Ironjustist (Doe) the B people, the air cleaner types.... Everyone defines for themselves who is a 'problem', or who's posts they choose to ignore or whom they choose to reply too. I do not believe anyone would care who plonks them. It is not a form of punishment and the need to publicly announce a plonking is for the plonkers own odd needs. > I do not thing most people would give a dang if you plonked them. Please excuse me, but yet, even once again, I am moved to song: Thing Dang me, Thing Dang me He's gotta go ahead and wrangle me. It's miles as the eye can see Must you plonk your loads on me. Boo-woo boop boop boop boop boo ba-oo-ba boo boo bow. Ba-boo-ba bam... Ba-bye-oo ba ba ba ba by-oo boo boo bow. They say roses are red and violets are purple Killfilin's silly and so is most of this chirple. And I'm the seventh out of seven puns; You're yappy as a pistol 'Cuzz you're a son of a gun. Thing Dang me, Thing Dang me He's gotta go ahead and wrangle me. How much sighing does there have to be? Please don't plonk your loads on me. Boo-woo boop boop boop boop boo ba-oo-ba boo boo bow. > (See below for quoted reference...) > > Change starts with one person working to make a difference, like I and > many others are doing. Change does NOT happen from whining and > bitching about problems, like you did. I leave that for my God to figure out. People at first said I was nuts, they said the air was good. I have slowly seen studies veryfiy what I was saying. You know on the net. people would like to believe the world revolves around them. If I suggest something is happening and you are the last to join in , I am sure your reaction is what am I going to do about it. . First people have to know its happening. Reporters are not paid to then facilitate change after a story are they? If I had to leave it up to you guys whoever you represent to report on pollution or answer my requests for objective information , I would have a long long wait. Many people would have not known much of what I proposed was happening If I had to wait for reporters to tell the truth about the dangers of particulate pollution.. The truth will or can set people free. You can't possibly judge the impact I and others have, because truth is what sets the pace for better lives. > I personally have severe, barely controlled asthma, am on two > maintenance inhalers and a regularly-used nebulizer. I'd say I'm one > of the people very affected by air quality. I do care. And I have > done the research, like I suggested you do. research about what , particulate pollution? what part don't I know? What parts have we who are affected the most , gotten from the broadcasters you represent around here... I posted a link to one study and then another study and then another study.. All not so much even connected to broadcasters. If it wasn't about the net you guys would have no credibility. You have credibilty because the powers that be pay you not because you report on important issues about pollution and who it affects! I have also, within my > financial limits, done what I can do to improve my quality of life and > health by increasing air quality in the places where I live, work, and > attend school. I also have and am still doing my part to change the > world in this regard, through education, dispersion of relevant > information and studies, and active lobbying to change laws. Have you > done as much? Again I didn't know after telling people their onset adult asthma or respiratory illness or other illness is from or lost health is because of pollution and having many people say no, its then my obligations to get politicians to care to get them to the people ? Lobby people who never answer you? Lobby newspeople who at my stations never so much ever answered my concerns. I had one politician answer me MR Specter but that lasted one time. Never a response after that. > As far as the news media, I don't know where you get your info, but I > get mine straight from the horses mouth. I, my partner, and many of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > in other fields of expertise. What I told you about how the media > functions is accurate as of right now, in the United States. I talk about major tv media and how this issue gets little coverage in my area.. Considering so many people suffer in this area. what do I have to do to get them to care? Why care when pharmacies and hospitals pay their salaries. They had plenty of time to care and have not. I hardly ever saw one reporter ask Bush about pollution ever.. global warming but not pollution. Since I shouted so much some tv stations now have the ozone warnings. > But you don't really care, do you? You just want something to bitch > about, like far too many people. Wish I'd known you were just a > bitcher, I'd not have wasted my time and energy trying to help you. You don't like my bitching cause you lose a sense of power and lets put it this way. God knows the truth. > Dragonfly -annoyed at having wasted time over this... I am sure you chose to waste your own time for no apparent reason. >> a conspiracy is not important to you if your not affected. I say people >> are [quoted text clipped - 163 lines] >> >> > Dragonfly > On Aug 5, 6:05 pm, "beav" <theb...@yahoo.com> wrote: > <cuts> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > The problem is not a conspiracy (oh god save us from such > paranoia....). a conspiracy is not important to you if your not affected. I say people are being affected and losing their health to particulate pollution. Why more isn't being done is because its not even reported that which is important. . I can see ten reports on tummy tucks and not one on our city having the most asthma or people needing respiratory meds the most then every city in the nation. or which city gets clean air the least.. another potential link that proves damages if they wanted to. That isn't a complete conspiracy but the damaging affects are effectively kept from people who don't read the newsgroups. > Seriously? You CAN get your air quality tested. There are also many > things you can do, easily and cheaply, to vastly improve the air > quality in your house and car. I go to epa website and have determined they are fairly accurate.. I have my air filter from intake vent to show anyone proof of my contentions.I invite people to see and compare how many of us need health care and at what age and how many doctors and hospitals we have in use compared to people in good air. I dont' have any doubt what the results would be if comparisins medically were had. I already know we have more cancers and heart disease, and asthma and respiratory disease and this before we had so many days without good air. so now what. What if we are really being exposed to toxic air and kids are set up for disease. you think people care? We are living in heartless society and for reasons because of some of the things I mentioned. Gov knows all this is happening which is why politicians don't answer. > The government isn't responsible for this. The media isn't > responsible either, and even less responsible to report on such > things... It is somewhat insane to think that the news media is > "deficient" for not covering this no its not, I can't think of anything more important then people losing their health years faster then other people. . And this is coming from a semi-pro > journalist who's worked for a few major news outlets. The news media > reports on things that are a- going to interest their readers/viewers > in continuing to read/listen to their particular news outlet, or b- > will make the news agency look good or c- will encourage the > advertizers to want to spend more of their advertizing budget on their > particular news agency. yada the news makes what is important. they keep taking over each other and peoples opinions and concerns are seldom addressed. rich people make the issues that people will be concerned about. We have more murders in the US then amercians dying in Iraq.. We could see pennies from space in the 60s, we can't find terrorists without a comjmunication system? We know the consequences from pollution but why do anything if we need energy and keep the rich from having to pay to clean up their mess. You have to be virtually a millionare to get elected to Most Senate and Congressional seats. There are tons of issues that news doesn't go over and so I beg to differ. The major tv stations all have the same stories and headlines.. rarely caring or looking into what I think is important like objectivity. Paris hilton is important to public not the alternative energy , not because people don't care, its because the news makes people interested in what the news wants them to care about. Pollution and its affects especially in places that get consistent amounts of pollution without good air has shown time and again to cause harm yet they rarely report it. Kids are told to exercise yet exercising in bad air can do more harm then good and I am here to verify that. I can go on and on. If you think people can live well and be happy in bad air our city is proof its hard. We are losing population and have thousands of people shooting each other and the highest asthma and murder rates. I have been in clean air cities and for the most part the level of participation in sports and positive activity is attainable compared to here where literally its not. > The way a story gets chosen to either be run, or to be put aside is in > most cases ultimately based on the goals of the enws agency and on the > financial base of the company (ie. the advertizing agencies that buy > ad-space from that particular news agency). Profits at the expense of truth or what the people want, Its easier to accept ads for health care then to telll people why they need it. > So. With that understanding of just what influences the stories that > a news agency selects to run, does it make sense now why such a thing [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > you are concerned about regarding air quality; the American lung > Association comes immediately to mind, but there are others Many people are concerned since I started writting , its just that this gov is doing very little and news organization could care less who is affected and I swear to god peopel are losing their life only because where they live. years of life ..gov don't have any responsible to protect or warn people ? polluters dont' have any responsibilty to clean up what kills people? . Also, > contact the government's national public health department and ask > them about this and specifically ask for any studies they may have > related to this topic. Another place would be four-year universities > who offer undergrad and postgrad degrees in related fields (public > health and safety, nurse/veterinary science, life sciences in general, > and lots of others!) I have! this gov does not care about people! they won't even answer you! I asked countless times politicians and gov officials to correlate the damages from particulate pollution and I get no answer! > Finally, if you are very concerned, which you do sound like you really > are, joking aside, look into companies who offer air quality testing [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > taking in air-born toxins and increasing the purity of the air around > them. Yah know plants can't hurt but its not going to stop an attack . Particulate pollution kills . One study I didn't need to know what I already know. The point is at what point is it harming and how many and when.. When they compare and do the tests you tell me about gov not needing to protect people.. > Hope this helps at least point you towards some solutions for your > lack of knowledge! Let me know if you get confused by something I > posted, or need more help refining just where to get the info you want > and how to go about getting the results you're after. Good luck! > > Dragonfly >> (See below for quoted reference...) >> [quoted text clipped - 249 lines] >>> >>> > Dragonfly > a conspiracy is not important to you if your not affected. I say people are > being affected and losing their health to particulate pollution. Why more > isn't being done is because its not even reported that which is important. Your entire argument is only based on your own personal experiences and location. It is reported. Several here have stated they see the reports. You thus can't back up your claims that its not reported. If you're correct that it isnt in your area then I agree, theres an issue with the situation in YOUR area and yours alone. >> a conspiracy is not important to you if your not affected. I say people >> are being affected and losing their health to particulate pollution. Why [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > correct that it isnt in your area then I agree, theres an issue with the > situation in YOUR area and yours alone. You see action taken by the epa to reduce particulate pollution in this area? I have yet to get any response from news media or local politicians about the amount of pollution, or to comment on its affects. You ever hear a reporter ask the President about the damages from pollution and him signing legislation where polluters don't have to enforce rules that Congress mandated ? NO wow I am surprised and its my problem? Look I am and getting out of this areaand have ways to escape sometimes.. I know where to go to get to the best hvac systems ( cool air filtration systems) but the accumulate affects have take its toll.( hint that which is ever reported on tv news ) If you can show me the times the national news reported on the affects of pollution on areas most down wind and followed up on it. please do.. I would like to see the local reaction from polliticians in the area. This is making sick and killing more people then the war on terrorism. . The effects from pollution are silent in my area and like I said. show me which news broadcasts go over the consequences and have told that it kills people just waiting in traffic. Show me the news stories where some people question the level of pollution epa calls moderate . In fact moderate pollution kills and makes people sicker faster then people in good air. Show me the links to pollution stories on local news and any follow up. Ten followups on people who are walking to lose weight but nothing about people who can't escape being poisoned by pollution , who are made to breathe this mess and then gov says kids are not learning, graduating, exercising? > Your entire argument is only based on your own personal experiences and > location. It is reported. Several here have stated they see the > reports. You thus can't back up your claims that its not reported. If > you're correct that it isnt in your area then I agree, theres an issue > with the situation in YOUR area and yours alone. No, it isn't just mcs's experience. I also had to move from Atlanta because I couldn't breathe the air. I don't know of any good suggestions on improving the quality of Atlanta (which currently is in the red zone) because much of the pollution is caused by the relative lack of public transportation which means just about everyone drives to work. I think you must have missed the articles regarding pollution. So I will go back and Google the group and post a few of them starting with the AMA. February 21, 2001 Study Finds Reduced Asthma During Atlanta Olympics By REUTERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Related Articles . Anatomy Home . Health Home Forum . Join a Discussion on Health in the News ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Traffic controls put in place during the 1996 Summer Olympic Games in Atlanta may have reduced the number of doctor visits and hospital admissions due to asthma attacks, researchers have found. ``Our study is an important building block toward healthier communities,'' said lead study author Dr. Michael Friedman of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta. ''People who are looking for ways to help our children with asthma and improve our communities' overall health should view this study with optimism.'' Previous studies have suggested a link between the level of air pollution and the number of asthma attacks, but no study has examined the impact of reduced traffic and ozone levels on asthma attacks, according to the team of researchers led by Friedman. The authors took advantage of traffic controls put in place during the 1996 Summer Olympic Games in Atlanta to measure the association between air pollution levels and asthma-related medical visits. Their report is published in the February 21st issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association. Traffic controls imposed during the Atlanta Olympics contributed to a 23% decrease in morning peak traffic counts and a 10% decline in weekend peak traffic counts. This resulted in a 13% fall in ozone concentrations, a 19% decrease in carbon monoxide levels, and a 7% decline in nitrogen dioxide levels, the authors report. During this period, Medicaid-related emergency room visits and hospitalizations for asthma dropped by 42%, the researchers note. Similarly, asthma-related care for HMO enrollees fell by 44%, and citywide hospitalizations for asthma decreased by 19%. These declines did not reflect a general improvement in health in the region. At the same time, the report indicates, other Medicaid emergency visits declined by only 3%, while emergency visits among HMO enrollees and non-asthma hospitalizations actually increased slightly. The authors conclude, therefore, ``that the alternative transportation plan in Atlanta during the Olympic Games reduced ozone and other air pollutants and was associated with a significant, albeit temporary, decrease in the burden of asthma among Atlanta's children.'' ``Another potential reason for the dramatic improvements in asthma control observed is related to the fact that numerous air pollutant levels improved during the Olympics,'' Friedman told Reuters Health. ``This suggests that a simultaneous improvement in a combination of pollutants may have more of an effect on triggering asthma attacks than the individual pollutants alone would.'' SOURCE: Journal of the American Medical Association > No, it isn't just mcs's experience. I also had to move from Atlanta because > I couldn't breathe the air. You missed the point of MCS's rhetoric. Nobody is saying there isn't pollution or that pollution isn't a bad thing. MCS has stated that there is a conspiracy (won't state just whom though) that keeps the public from knowing about the pollution. I disagree strongly. Every city I have been in has public reports on the TV news and papers. Reports about cities with pollution problems are not kept secret from the public. Your posting of such reports proves that even further. MCS and all his/her aliases are wrong. I have warned MCS about this and was ignored. So we agree on this point. > > No, it isn't just mcs's experience. I also had to move from Atlanta because > > I couldn't breathe the air. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > the public. Your posting of such reports proves that even further. MCS > and all his/her aliases are wrong. > <cuts> > > I just want to know the extent of damage I am living under thats rarely gone [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > range you'd be looking at, but what I DO know is that there are > companies that exist that do these kinds of tests. I'm not sure the problem is with the testing so much as it is the economic problem of who is going to pay. If you have a factory that makes gizmos and produces pollution in this activity, shouldn't the people who buy the gizmos be the ones burdened with the total cost of production including the cost of pollution clean up -an externality? Alternatives are should the gov't pay or should the people who live in the area surrounding the plant pay? What if they never even purchase gizmos? Is that not how we have been operating thus far? Cost spreading to all taxpayers or making the buyer pay the entire cost or letting the people who are unfortunate to live in the area? Is this working? Is this fair? There is little incentive for clean running production if there are no enforceable laws This is even more an economic problem when the costs of clean up are high or the individual person is powerless to enforce the laws. Usually they then turn to the power of the press which is an admirable function of news - to inform. Everyone in the US will only read about Brittney Spears or Paris Hilton if you think it is sufficient for the press to report on only A-list interest items. Oh yeah, I guess there would be Sports. > Another thing that might be of interest is to connect with people > working on enhancing air quality in the workplace, in factories, in > industrial settings. They might have some suggestions of not only > where to look for this information, but possibly also what things you > could do yourself on a smaller scale. Sounds like you're smart enough to know that beav smells like mcs. Further proof he only posts to get attention. I'm guessing with some of us eliminating him from our view, he's not getting enough attention and has been posting under different names. Talk about having an agenda. No matter, he's just as easy to get rid of as mcs was. :::::::::PLONK:::::::: > Sounds like you're smart enough to know that beav smells like mcs. > Further proof he only posts to get attention. I'm guessing with some of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > :::::::::PLONK:::::::: >Plonk what a surprise. it took this long to come in here and read what I had to say again in order to tell us you were going to ignore me again. Please don't. I beg of you.We know you always ignore mcs anyway lol On Aug 8, 4:34 am, "NorthShoreCEO" <NorthShore...@NOSPAMaol.com> wrote: > Sounds like you're smart enough to know that beav smells like mcs. Further > proof he only posts to get attention. I'm guessing with some of us [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > :::::::::PLONK:::::::: It seems so strange and incomprehensible that there's people who will get so worked up and upset over usenet postings when killfiles are not hard to use, even on the most basic of newsgroup readers... Killfile is my friend, it keeps me sane enough to keep coming back to usenet for um. On second thought, let's not say how long I've been posting to usenet... Dragonfly - much happier since killfiles were invented! :D > It seems so strange and incomprehensible that there's people who will > get so worked up and upset over usenet postings when killfiles are not > hard to use, even on the most basic of newsgroup readers... It seems incomprehensible that people can't ignore what they don't like if they haven't killfiled a person. I have never killfiled anyone. No reason to. If I don't like what someone says I ignore them. I suppose there are people who can't resist and thus need a killfile so they are not tempted. > Sounds like you're smart enough to know that beav smells like mcs. > Further proof he only posts to get attention. I'm guessing with some of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > :::::::::PLONK:::::::: From your message, it appears that the shady and devious mcs is posting under yet another alias. Pathetic as usual. Weren't the grownups noticing him sufficiently? He has more than agenda--he has a mania. Fortunately, he is easily recognizable and avoidable under any guise--from the predictably over-the-top subject lines and from the subject matter itself. I don't need to come here to read about pollution--something that everyone has known about for generations. It's just background noise. Even so, it's trivial to killfile another of his noms de idiot. Plonk, indeed... > Likewise, a 2005 study by researchers at the University of Southern > California's Keck School of Medicine showed that long-term exposure to [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > "There's no excuse in 2007 to have trucks belch black smoke in our faces > when there are solutions to reduce the problem," Schneider says. Part of the reason why Respro has a full line of sport masks made for runners, cyclists and so forth aimed at both particulate and common chemical pollutants.... sign of the times. The Respro Aero Mask-Partical Filter (?8.99) looks great for use while vacumming the house. Have you used this, or bought from them? I'm wondering if there is an equivalent i can buy from someone in the US. http://www.respro.com/popup_aero.php -thanks > Part of the reason why Respro has a full line of sport masks made for > runners, cyclists and so forth aimed at both particulate and common > chemical pollutants.... sign of the times. > The Respro Aero Mask-Partical Filter (£8.99) looks great for use while > vacumming the house. Have you used this, or bought from them? I'm [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> runners, cyclists and so forth aimed at both particulate and common >> chemical pollutants.... sign of the times. I've got a Techno I use for cycling on "bad air" days here. For what they are and their intended use, they are not too bad. They have their pros and cons...esp. for cycling. On the flip side, they are a whole lot more subtle than wearing something like a 1/2 mask respirator. Michael |
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