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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Asthma / May 2007is it ragweed , pollen or pollution
as I was talking to Miles about the possibility of a conspiracy to keep the consequences of pollution from the population as a major reason for major illness and asthma, I got to think about pollen and allergies. I an my brother got tested for allergies when we were young. When we eventually saw a doct for asthma allergy to pollen was said more often then effects from pollution.So I then got to thinking since we both took meds to counter allergies , it absolutely did nothing to stop asthma so maybe pollens and allergies don't help asthma but perhaps like in me,the major irritant is not pollen, its the ingredients in pollution which has just recently been counted and anaylzed. Again before you suggest I am paranoid, I know exactly what causes my asthma and its particulate pollution that reaches moderate or worse.I see its not mold, its not worms, its not viruses, its level of pollution that devastates people over and over again if researchers want to tell you more then particulates can lodge deep in lungs. There is a reason so little is said, its because so much would have to be done to correct it, its best to call everything about pollution and green house gas, global warming. I knew just from that very descriptive general term they didn't want to or will rarely deal with the consequences of people most affected. for not doing enough I know in my heart they are hurting allot people and taking their life out of them slowly. > So I then got to thinking since we both took meds to counter > allergies , it absolutely did nothing to stop asthma so maybe pollens and > allergies don't help asthma but perhaps like in me,the major irritant is not > pollen, its the ingredients in pollution Doubtful. Allergy meds have never been very effective. It helps some while others see no improvement at all. Immune therapy helps better than meds but still seems to help less than 50%. New allergy treatments such as Xolair offer hope to many but again, not all. That does not mean pollution is the problem. No drugs help me either. Current thoughts are VCD and reflux disease. Pollution is not the cause and probably isn't for you. >> So I then got to thinking since we both took meds to counter allergies , >> it absolutely did nothing to stop asthma so maybe pollens and allergies [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > VCD and reflux disease. Pollution is not the cause and probably isn't for > you. yeah your right NOT lol what a joke. when you see the links to damage from pollution or smoke why you see a big difference? They both are toxic poisons that slowly and some not so slowly cause a host of problems. Thats what I am saying, its people like you who are always the last to believe. I don't think its virus or digestion or reflux although there might be some connections, to me I know exactly what it is. I can tell you the particulate pollution without seeing the numbers. and I know you won't believe that, but I will bet 1000 dollars I can tell the pollution particulate levels , are you willing to put that us that says I can't. You think I honestly write all this will just a apprehension and lightly say people are killing me or making me sick? Its virtually automatic,, . The reason they break these toxins down is because they do affect people , some at differently levels. For me when my lungs start to constrict, its moderate levels of this particulate pollution. Sometime high ozone does it too. I assure you after a while of this you begin to notice what causes the constrictions. When I go to mountains after being in this for long time. and the mountains have lower levels I get no constrictions. I can tell the poisons in the air. I can tell people are being affected with this poison over time and I said this before, It can be proven. Its not a virus its a consistence wearing down of your cells via this mess and why lung association says pollution affects so many The extent of which is so underreported its criminal. let me know when objective studies are going to happen cause I can thnink of tens of ways to prove damage. > what a joke. when you see the links to damage from pollution or smoke why > you see a big difference? You see what you desire to see. You ignore places like Mexico City or Los Angeles because they do not fit your beliefs. the differences between being killed from smoke or particulate pollution or pollution which is making this noticable for me in this air is whats in the readings in our areas. There is no magic why my lungs constrict, its why we are getting dosed with commericals. No worms, no more viruses in east coast. no magical bacterial attacks only in my area. what we have is consistent particulate pollution ( notice coming four days and summer) that reaches moderate almost 2/3 of the time during the days . It may not be most total but its amongst the most days any area reaches this level . There is little differnce between this and smoking. In fact with smoking you can stop with this you can't. Sadly this is why we get the most asthma in the country there is no magic. We have soot from coal due west. we have more people who don't graduate school, we have the least percent of people with college degrees living here, the most violent crime in the nation , up to 1/2 of households have no one working in it, and the reading levels are the worse in the nation. I can't sleep , I can't breathe good, I can t concentrate and I can see why every commerical on tv wants me to get to their lung center. Miles, you have a hard time understanding what some one other then yourself goes thru.I am not a scientist and you are not obviously from what you have said but I think I can make generalizations based on what I have said and the links to bad effects from pollution. I can easily see the supreme court not siding with more needs to be done and everything I said having absolutely no links to damage and still I would swear on a stack of bibles they are poisoning people downwind like nothing else in this country consistently and if they wanted they could prove harm like with me and the number of people who need asthma meds and so on and so on. You ask lawyers why you can't sue, itts not because worms are the cause I assure you. > as I was talking to Miles about the possibility of a conspiracy to keep > the consequences of pollution from the population as a major reason for [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > my heart they are hurting allot people and taking their life out of them > slowly. > the differences between being killed from smoke or particulate pollution or > pollution which is making this noticable for me in this air is whats in the > readings in our areas. Your area isn't even in the top 10 for asthma sufferers. I went back every year to 2004 and still, not in the top 10. http://edition.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/conditions/03/16/asthma.capitals/index.html oh please, another lie Miles.. I left the link lots of times. Your kidding right? >> the differences between being killed from smoke or particulate pollution >> or pollution which is making this noticable for me in this air is whats [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > http://edition.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/conditions/03/16/asthma.capitals/index.html > oh please, another lie Miles.. I left the link lots of times. Your kidding > right? Why is it that anything that goes against what you believe must be a lie? Your constant refusal to look at research from all spectrum's shows your close mindness and complete disregard. Thanks for proving my earlier point on that issue!! Most people who seek solutions are open to any and all research. You reject any such that differs from your views and accept only that which you agree with. Good grief!! Can you be any more blatantly biased? Too funny! >>> the differences between being killed from smoke or particulate pollution >>> or pollution which is making this noticable for me in this air is whats [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >> http://edition.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/conditions/03/16/asthma.capitals/index.html when you can't find the link that proves the damage don't exist? You know how many links I had found that don't work anymore. you know how when you to post on Yahoo after news stories they could actually censor your message before its even posted, thats how good the best companies are in keeping information they don't want you to know away. When you do find links they don't go over why what you said is important , instead like Miles they concentrate on the one area that might not prove every single time something is happening important. For instance particulate pollution. Yes some areas in fact 9 areas have more total amounts but that may not be important then getting near moderate levels more consistently and more often then other places. A chart showing cleaner air in 1956 doesn't prove damage now by the way Here are the links to most asthma http://www.asthmacapital.com/asthma_capitals2006.pdf > 2007 > http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=79126 well here are the links that still work I think >> the differences between being killed from smoke or particulate pollution >> or pollution which is making this noticable for me in this air is whats [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > http://edition.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/conditions/03/16/asthma.capitals/index.html mean to say when they come out with a graph to support how worse air was back in 1965 that doesn't disprove there is no damage now or what certain areas get instead ( soot and coal dust) and people are affected. Follow the money trail... what most of you don't know is some areas of the US are not protected. Many people are losing their ability to compete and enjoy life for energy and I totally believe that. If everyone around the country saw how many commercials we were getting for lung centers and nebulizers and asthma studies, you would know some companies and I assume gov know what the news don't , and we were never ever told about our asthma rates here in east coast and not far from coal, yet whats to do about it. ? If politicians don't want change and news media don't want to promote better air people are not protected from undue harm if above average illness in lots of categories is any indication. http://www.asthmacapital.com/asthma_capitals2006.pdf > 2007 > http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=79126 [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >> >> http://edition.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/conditions/03/16/asthma.capitals/index.html > If everyone around the country saw > how many commercials we were getting for lung centers and nebulizers and > asthma studies, you would know some companies and I assume gov know what the > news don't Show me one shred of evidence that drug companies fight legislation to reduce particulates so that they can sell more asthma drugs. >> If everyone around the country saw how many commercials we were getting >> for lung centers and nebulizers and asthma studies, you would know some >> companies and I assume gov know what the news don't > > Show me one shred of evidence that drug companies fight legislation to > reduce particulates so that they can sell more asthma drugs. drug companies don't have to fight lesilation, they go with the flow and know where to advertise, they are extremely smart people. If people think they advertise for no reason and its not affecting allot of people when more commericals are on for this reason then practically any other category, your badly mistaken. I was in othe cities and they never or hardly ever advertise this much more hospitals and centers and , but its incredible, its so often here you think your a sitting duck and for good reason. I am a perfect candidate. To say they would fight legislation is a stretch, to say they promote drugs while the same media ignores why you need them is not a stretch. Has drug companies talked to news executives locally? Can You say I think so? Do they care if I tell people they won't get onset asthma if they don't exercise or live in moderate particulate pollution? Or will they get people to nay say me? I suggest they do care a little but there are millions who don't read these things and so they don't care. in other ways. > drug companies don't have to fight lesilation, they go with the flow and > know where to advertise You stated there is a conspiracy. For that to be there must be some sort of collusion between business, government etc. You've never been able to state anything of the sort. miles" <nope@nopers.com> wrote in message news:tMp5i.112883$NK5.58434@newsfe23.lga... >> If everyone around the country saw how many commercials we were getting >> for lung centers and nebulizers and asthma studies, you would know some >> companies and I assume gov know what the news don't > > Show me one shred of evidence that drug companies fight legislation to > reduce particulates so that they can sell more asthma drugs. drug companies don't have to fight lesilation, they go with the flow and know where to advertise, they are extremely smart people. If people think they advertise for no reason and its not affecting allot of people when more commericals are on for this reason then practically any other category, your badly mistaken. I was in othe cities and they never or hardly ever advertise this much more hospitals and centers and , but its incredible, its so often here you think your a sitting duck and for good reason. I am a perfect candidate. To say they would fight legislation is a stretch, to say they promote drugs while the same media ignores why you need them is not a stretch. Has drug companies talked to news executives locally? Can You say I think so? Do they care if I tell people they won't get onset asthma if they don't exercise or live in moderate particulate pollution? Or will they get people to nay say me? I suggest they do care a little but there are millions who don't read these things and so they don't care. in other ways. gorgeous. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070524/ap_on_re_us/attacks_health After you read how people die from dust, try to understand thats the same pollution although probably less intense that people downwind from pollution get for much longer periods of time. People have to demand that damage that is provable must be allowed in court in much the same way the people who got damaged from WTC dust are. just because no one had any desire to prove consequences before don't mean the damages are not there Why are ceratin people protected and certain people not protected. The people with the most asthma and respiratory deaths and prescription then every city in the nation show damage conclusions.People downwind no matter where they are and often have the most consistent pollution should be able to sue to stop this madness and have the same rights of those non smokers and people harmed from too much dust from industry or 9/11. We already know that damage from pollution is a known entity why doesn't damage that shows two air filters getting black be compared with air filters in clean air city and compare hospital admissions, rates for asthma and cancer , stress tests etc? I have done some comparisons and its outrageous that people in worse areas have to absorb this while being included in graphs to show cleaner area with rest of nation without ways to seperate those who are most affected. There is no way to single out people like me who have their bodies shut down from this pollution and why?. What the fk is going on that we only have lung centers to go to and pay for after we are poisoned!!!! murderers!!!!! > mean to say when they come out with a graph to support how worse air was > back in 1965 that doesn't disprove there is no damage now or what certain [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] >>> >>> http://edition.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/conditions/03/16/asthma.capitals/index.html > when you can't find the link that proves the damage don't exist? There are links all over the place to show anything you want. Trouble is you reject anything that goes against your views. You hunt out only that which you agree with rather than look at all aspects and solutions. |
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