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MASS MURDER by POLICY and POLLUTERS

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mcs - 17 May 2007 11:38 GMT
no cures ever for asthma and cancer,, the only thing that will help most is
get people out of harms way. so they don't get it in first place or not
prone to conditions that not only makes it worse but will kill you.
turned into people who are uncaring. and worse murderers .
for energy
> pleas for help go unanswered. The people who are millionaires and elected
> and don't stop
> this insaneness now are murderes and enablers .
>> and I bet you everythingI own it can be proved. They will talk about
>> cancer research and hospitals and walks  and 10 k runs and tell women to
>> get  tests done and breat exam and yet they dont; show how conditions
>> like
>> pollution in which these people live have more an effect on them then
>> anything else.  They dont' warn them but they want you to be treated
>> after
>> policies and politicians ignore how every area of category of health is
>> compromised by pollution in certain areas. They don't try to get people
>> out of harms way but its better to walk for a cure? What cure. there is
>> no
>> fking cure for cancer another fking conspiracy to pay doctors and
>> hospitals after they poison. Cancer is often a progression of a breakdown
>> of body after smoking or inhaling polution consistently and therei is no
>> fking medicine to help it. They can stop it or cut it out sometimes but
>> there is no curing this... your damaged forever once this pollution hits
>> families consistenly.  and  USA gov knows and still they would rather
>> tell
>> you about more hospitals and medicines then stopping the conditions that
>> provoke these people to get cancer . news media around here denies viewer
>> and
>> readers the reasons why they get cancer more and respiratory disease. I
>> can tell you why tens of
>> different conditions happen more then others in moderate or worse
>> particulate pollution and the same policies allows hospitals and nurses
>> to
>> work at your expense. Victims are poisoned and murdered , no less lethal
>> then if  someone came to you with a gun and often its a slower poison.
>> and
>> after consumers  pay so much for this energy they then have to pay to
>> treat
>> conditions politicians refuse to do more about faster that happens to
>> poison people more near coal and diesel poison accumulation.. Instead of
>> limiting
>> pollution MOST where it is needed  and  have federal  EPA come to areas
>> most affected ,they come out witha chart showing
>> how Americans live longer and cleaner pollution. . The people affected
>> and the jmost and why
>>   is casually ignored and not a mention why gov policy often puts
>> people downwind from their policies at risk For those who think I am
>> paranoid show me the tests that don't show particulate pollution and
>> extra co2 and soot make you sick, sleep less and with more problems and
>> early death..  It seems like the test I did  show the people on east
>> coast
>>  who get this pollution most  like I did  past two days are being harmed.
>> .
>> My lungs constrict automatically involuntarily and I know exactly why ,
>> its the exact reading and effects from particulate rating and I am unable
>> to enjoy or accept this as status quo or normal life. .
>> I then investigated and saw how many links our cities on east coast get
>> to
>>be on virtually every list of  top ten cities worse polluted areas and
>>what is done to stop it now? Nothing
>> If local politicians don't care, seems like nothing., might come out
>> talking about changes that have virtally no effect on the numbers or how
>> often people are getting this and instead are pumped with commericals for
>> cancer and heart disease and respiratory meds and inhalers and
>> nebulizers.
>> we are getting poisoned..
>> the people downwind or in moderate or worse particulate pollution are
>> usually in worse shape in almost every conceivable catergory of health
>> when compared to people who don't get it and ate the same things. ? They
>> don't do comparisons
>> to show even more damage from particulate pollution. like I know can be
>> done. the tests I did show
>> the biggest conspiracy to allow poisoning ever in the us. they can do
>> more
>> if they want and I can name the tests to conclusively show how energy
>> comparnies and politicians who don't protect kids and families are
>> murdering
>> you today so help me God. T. . Except for cigs and diet there is not a
>> bigger
>> killer or producer of illness today ongoing like moderate or worse
>> particulate pollution which kills more people then violent murderers and
>> terrorists combined. and who has tell you this,, a person who thinks
>> people need at least be warned and where good people often do nothing for
>> those affected.
>> UNbelievable
> . When particulate pollution closes my body down in moderate
>> range, one has to wonder how they determine thats " moderate" ! In fact
>> even
>> the US govor / other agenecies hs said moderate particulate pollution can
>> /
>> or causes harm. They say 1/3 of the people in the US get yearly amounts
>> of
>> pollution that causes tens of thousands of premature deaths. That little
>> fact is usually left by itself. They don't go on to tell you who exactly
>> gets it and why more is done to stop it do they. They don't
>> define though what exactly the readings are , or where exactly these
>> people
>> tend to reside  or warn people to stay away..do they and do you see
>> reporters follow up ? NOT!
>> they ? When up to one Quarter of kids in some areas have asthma and no
>> one
>> tried to see a connection between particulate pollution  or what to do
>> about
>> , that says
>> conspiracy. too for all the above reasons. They have drug companies
>> advertising day and night for nebulizers and lung centers  but not one
>> media firm telling
>> people why we have most asthma! that needs those drugs.. . Finally when
>> my
>> body shuts down  and air filter turns black,, in
>> 27 days and politicians and media ignores pleas for help faster even when
>> some politicians admit we need to do more.. I not only
>> believe in conspiracies I believe in legalized murder for energy
>> companies..
>> I know the people who promote policies that keep these things in place
>> have
>> made billions doing so while sponsering legislation where you can't sue
>> them
>> if you prove damages sometimes. Anyway I do believe in conspiracies and
>> much
>> more important the research to compare peoples health between polluted
>> and
>> non polluted areas (particulate )  and if done I assert there will the
>> biggest differences in consequences then most anything can possibly be.
>> one of the biggest conspiracies of all time going on now is to allow the
>>> poisoning of people , read on why its allowed. Tell family members to
>>> leave
>>> if your area gets this poison. I have studied this for ten years and I
>>> am
>>> convinces people are not protected equally in the US. People have
>>> suggested
>>> those in harms way should move, but how do they move when many don't
>>> know
>>> whats causing the poisons or conditions they have to begin with or can't
>>> afford to move? Do you tell nonsmokers to move or do prevent smokers
>>> from
>>> forcing their smoke on others.
>>> This particulate pollution Literally involunatarily forces me to get
>>> asthma.. gasp for breath. It might
>>> not do that for everyone but over time, over and over again I have found
>>> for
>>> the vast majority in its way...they are affected negatively eventually
>>> if statistians wanted to prove it.
>>> If I could prove conclusively  how they conspire to limit speech or
>>> consequences from particulate pollution, I wouldn't be writing here, I
>>> would
>>> be a lawyer in a courtroom , suing not only for damages but trying to
>>> prosecute for murder.. promoting policies that are causing tens of
>>> thousands
>>> to die early or get sick is murder.. worse then if you take a gun and
>>> look
>>> for one person. worse then all the terrorists and murders committed by
>>> criminals so far.

but. I am not a scientist but I can read the stats
>>> and
>>> make small comparisons in health news.and so far for almost every
>>> conceivable category of health , the people downwind from particulate
>>> pollution are or seem to be  in worse shape. Of course how long a wait
>>> will
>>> you see the
>>> results of  that  assertion is how long you will wait for things to
>>> change..
>>> peoples health who live on streets with lots of truck traffic or near
>>> fast
>>> food with idling cars or who don't have allot of open space or near
>>> industry  and good wind distribution are more or less sitting ducks for
>>> horrible consequences., I assert live in much more ill health then those
>>> in
>>> clean air. I can come up with 100 different conditions that would show
>>> how
>>> people are more prone to get cancer or die earlier for a myriad of
>>> reasons
>>> in air that has more to do with  soot and  particulates but then again
>>> the gov would like you
>>> to
>>> believe you got sick cause of heredit instead or a cancer that if we
>>> only have a walk for we might cure.. IMPOSSIBLE. Its all inthe
>>> percentages
>>> and
>>> I think they don't want to compare health that way . The little bit I
>>> have
>>> done shows the largest conspiracy to not tell people how they are harmed
>>> since smoking ads were allowed on tv..is going on. Except for smoking or
>>> food intake there almost is no bigger danger to health then mild or
>>> worse
>>> particulate pollution and soot and yet most kids are not warned and most
>>> changes to stop it have not been done.. How long will you have to wait
>>> to
>>> see the stress tests comparisons, the hosptial admissions by age between
>>> people who get this pollution and don't?   The stress tests
>>> comparisons.... I assume if they are worried
>>> about
>>> tainted spinanch they would be worried about pollution that is causing
>>> more
>>> damage then most everything in this life combined... If you don't think
>>> thats important to find out  people most affected are not warned or why
>>> those people are not told but rather have drug companies come to those
>>> places instead to advertise to.. then you can call it whatever you want.
>>> I
>>> call it a conspiracy to poison and profit at their expense.
>>>
>>> .
>>> Ever hear news people ask hard questions anymore? I don't.  Why is it if
>>> we
>>> saw a penny on the ground from space 50 years ago we can't catch
>>> terrorists
>>> or put an end to the terrorists training grounds? I can go on like why
>>> did
>>> Yahoo stop free posting of conversations after news ? I can ask why the
>>> city
>>> with the most asthma then every place in the US is not told of ways to
>>> limit
>>> the condition or about its air pollution. Poison contributes to jobs
>>> ,gets
>>> people like Karen to work for hospitals who hates me posting  instead
>>> worrying aboutwarning
>>> people to get out of harms way.. How do people like this exist? Good
>>> versu
>>> bad.. truth
>>> means squat. insensitive selfish fools and worse people who make policy
>>> and don't care about others.. when they can poison you and get away with
>>> it. this is
>>> worse
>>> at times then lots of places we point fingers about. Why? Cause we know
>>> we
>>> are deciving and poisoning people and doing nothing much to stop it.
>>>
>>> whats being done? They predict NE states will have ten degree higher
>>> temperatures within 20 years. thats a yellow flag for ever more poison
>>> particulate pollution to follow
>>> Look can we pay more for gasoline while killing ourselves and supporting
>>> terrorists at the same time ? Can we do it faster? I think they devises
>>> the fastest way possible to get people to depart with their money while
>>> poisoning them at the same time and making them treat the conditions
>>> with more money till they die. People who get
>>> moderate
>>> or worse particulate poison are getting poisoned. I
>>> dare and in fact I triple dare any group of
>>> scientists to prove that living in this poison is as healthy as living
>>> in
>>> clean air. The real truth kids is if you and family are living downwind
>>> from
>>> moderate or worse pollution  many times,, you have much more chances of
>>> dying early and
>>> being in poor health. and if studies were done as in comparisons. every
>>> conceivable category of health is compromised. and who has to tell you
>>> this, some guy on the internet! What I have discovered is
>>> the
>>> most amazing set of horrible circumstances that this US has ever held
>>> from
>>> the people. I have seen babies cry more in this air over and over , . I
>>> have monitored
>>> sleep
>>> differences ( less sleep in this air) over and over,  more asthma, more
>>> asthma meds
>>> needed,
>>> more respiratory disese and death and more cancers etc. in this air. and
>>> the people most affected have no way out if they can't afford to move
>>>  >>> They
>>> will have walks for cancer and heart disease but
>>> never tell you why or where  you were more prone to get it. Its not a
>>> mystery... there
>>> is a huge conspiracy to keep the damages from moderate or worse
>>> particulate
>>> pollution from the people. At least the Supreme Court has sided with
>>> getting
>>> more done to stop it but its still hardly talked about. This is the most
>>> important thing for people living in these areas! Walk, cry, beg your
>>> parents to get you out of
>>> harms way. Its sad, I have to be the one to try as desperately as I can
>>> to
>>> save people and kids but thats what I am begging you and your family to
>>> do. To be safe while people in the best country has decided to ignore
>>> poisoning you. ? NOW? Some worse then others? EXACTLY so help me god.
>>> The gov and politicians still don't care to protect you until maybe year
>>> 2030 when the overall affects will have already had its negative
>>> effects.
>>> Every category of health almost I claim, can be proven to be adversely
>>> affected from this KNOWN TOXIC poisoning which is allowed to affect
>>> people
>>> knowingly and unkowingly.. This is the greatest cause of ill health
>>> besides
>>> smoking and poor diet, I claim in the US todaybut is not talked about.
>>> Every
>>> category of health, from cancer, to number of hospital admissions to use
>>> of
>>> asthma meds to number or respiratory illness is worse in these areas..
>>> and
>>> yet nothing is done. This is not a slightly more riskier place to live,
>>> its
>>> almost unbelievabley worse. I swear to god I am telling you the truth
>>> and
>>> get yourself out of harms way. I couldn't and I am suggesting do what
>>> you
>>> can to get politicians to care and change this MASS POISONING that goes
>>> on
>>> today.

. The news media who is suppose to inform on this issue but
>>>>> don't, certainly have
>>>>> no drawbacks to accept advertisments gerared to the people most
>>>>> affected
>>>>> with most
>>>>> respiratory illness in Philadelphia. Of course people who get
>>>>> respiratory
>>>>> illness more then 100,000 other places are allowed the freedom to
>>>>> choose
>>>>> which facility will treat them after they are poisoned .
>>>>>Local and federal policies allow them to be poisoned and thats the
>>>>>assertion I am making and its one of the biggest conspiracies of all
>>>>>time
>>>>>,, the
>>>>> conspiracy to allow the poisoning of people without adequately warning
>>>>> people or protecting people.
>>>>> Its becoming clearer and clearer when everything is equal those
>>>>> exposed
>>>>> to
>>>>> moderate levels or worse of particulate pollution consistently in
>>>>> terms of total
>>>>> amount
>>>>> and frequency , are adversely affected . They suffer more respiratory
>>>>> disease and illness and morbidity relative to exact amounts of
>>>>> exposure
>>>>> and
>>>>> how often and those people are not protected simply put or warned of
>>>>> the
>>>>> dangers. >
miles - 17 May 2007 13:47 GMT
> no cures ever for asthma and cancer,, the only thing that will help most is
> get people out of harms way. so they don't get it in first place or not
> prone to conditions that not only makes it worse but will kill you.
> turned into people who are uncaring. and worse murderers .
>  for energy

You seem to refuse to look into why Mexico City has a rather low
incidence of asthma despite being one of the most polluted cities in the
world.  My guess is you do not understand nor care what the mechanics
behind asthma is.  Nor do you understand our own environment.  If you
don't understand it makes it easier to rant about it.
mcs - 17 May 2007 15:37 GMT
I don't know anything about Mexico city or the methods used to measure . I
know the epa method to measure particulae pollution to be the best tool in
accuracy in determining consequences I was able to monitor. The problem is
what they call moderate is doing too much damage.From the dozens of links
showing the corresponding damages and my own subjective and objective
comparisons and much more, I will worry about that which I know the most
about.

when they poison you via pollution, have drug companies go to those places
most affected and advertise all day long and night and politicians and news
media totally ignore the horrible stats....you know why cars are virtually
the same.. death and pollution creats jobs. There is no protection under the
constitution. You try contacting the politicians in these areas.. they
totally ignore you.. even when you can show probable cause

> NOW | What's Stopping Auto Companies From Making a 100-mpg Car?
> http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/051607U.shtml
> NOW investigates why many cars now on America's roads get no better
> gas mileage than the ones we were driving twenty years ago.

>> no cures ever for asthma and cancer,, the only thing that will help most
>> is get people out of harms way. so they don't get it in first place or
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> is.  Nor do you understand our own environment.  If you don't understand
> it makes it easier to rant about it.
miles - 18 May 2007 01:10 GMT
> The problem is
> what they call moderate is doing too much damage.

You are making an assumption for which you do not know.  Man caused
particulates in greater Phoenix are low and yet it has a high number of
asthmatics.  I know why.  Do you?  The answer is important...if it meant
anything to you.
mcs - 18 May 2007 02:51 GMT
first show me the links to Mexico city and second I heard that Phoenix has
high particulate counts because of dust. But I would take that over coal
dust.  again show me some links
>> The problem is what they call moderate is doing too much damage.
>
> You are making an assumption for which you do not know.  Man caused
> particulates in greater Phoenix are low and yet it has a high number of
> asthmatics.  I know why.  Do you?  The answer is important...if it meant
> anything to you.
miles - 18 May 2007 03:09 GMT
> first show me the links to Mexico city and second I heard that Phoenix has
> high particulate counts because of dust. But I would take that over coal
> dust.  

Your interest is in the effects of pollution on asthmatics in the USA,
specifically PA.  My mention of Mexico City was because it was USA
scientists who traveled there to conduct studies.  Their purpose was to
better understand problems in the USA..the very problems you are
concerned with.  Mexico City was chosen because its high pollution and
extreme population.  A situation far worse than anything in the USA so
should be a good place to draw data from to relate to the USA.

"We have chosen Mexico City because of the relatively low rates of
asthma in the face of prevalent exposures to factors that are thought to
increase asthma risk in urban areas in the United States."

http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct/show/NCT00342758;jsessionid=6EA0E9DF71A889F0B78A68C
35F311EC2?order=30


Yes, Phoenix is high in dust particulates, not man made.  The dust level
has been dropping steadily over the years as more land is built on.  We
do not get the massive dust storms like we did in the 70's.  Much less
dust.  Despite the lower dust particulates, studies show an increase in
asthmatics in Phoenix.  My point is that you can't just look at numbers.
 You have to understand why.  Lower particulates does not mean less
asthmatics.  Not for Phoenix anyways.
mcs - 18 May 2007 07:30 GMT
>> first show me the links to Mexico city and second I heard that Phoenix
>> has high particulate counts because of dust. But I would take that over
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> population.  A situation far worse than anything in the USA so should be a
> good place to draw data from to relate to the USA.

Not at all MILES we have the smartest people in the supreme court already
deducted damage and they were pretty much conservative. We have the majority
of scientists who call global warming real. and we have more illness and
death and shorter life spans for people who have to breathe particulate
pollution from cars and buses and coal dust. You can come up with no more
carbon dioxide and Mexico craziness but I see the results that are not
compared. why did they have to go to Mexico? They can compare the resultf of
10ks between people who lived in my town for 30 years and those who lived in
Seattle. They can compare morbidity stats between clean air and those in
moderate or worse particulate pollution, they don't need to go to Mexico for
crying out loud. The people who are exposed to coal dust , soot and
particulates in moderate amounts or worse do worse in almost every
conceivable area. do a look up on particulate pollution and ill health, they
are not lies. why people in mexico don't get asthma , who knows? maybe there
is no coal dust thrown in. Maybe they can't afford to go for treatment , but
I don't need Mexico to see what happens when people are not told about
moderate or worse particulate pollution . We get more days of this then most
every place and coal dust like most in NE and combined with ozone ( top ten)
and closed in cities without allot of green energy and you have a town ripe
for poisoning.
Incidentally Riles or whatever your name is, when you show me how many
people train in Mexico go on to win sporting events against people who train
in clean air then you might get my interest. Till then I will look at
research but my suspicion , just like your denial for more carbon dioxide in
the air, this little Mexico thing is energy company way to twist some
numbers and adjectives to show what they want to show. Till then I will bet
everything I own that people who have to breath consistent particulate
pollution and or soot with coal and diesel are in much worse shape then
people who don't. I have no doubt in my mind about that.

> "We have chosen Mexico City because of the relatively low rates of asthma
> in the face of prevalent exposures to factors that are thought to increase
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> You have to understand why.  Lower particulates does not mean less
> asthmatics.  Not for Phoenix anyways.
Bob - 18 May 2007 14:29 GMT
>when you show me how many people train in Mexico go on to win sporting
>events against people who train in clean air then you might get my
>interest.

In case you're interested, those in Mexico who trained to run, swim and jump
are already in the USA.
miles - 19 May 2007 01:11 GMT
> In case you're interested, those in Mexico who trained to run, swim and jump
> are already in the USA.

lol, so true!  And now they are about to gain amnesty from our stupid
politicians from both parties.
miles - 19 May 2007 01:10 GMT
> Not at all MILES we have the smartest people in the supreme court already
> deducted damage and they were pretty much conservative. We have the majority
> of scientists who call global warming real.

Majority or the most vocal on liberal media that you listen to?  There
are scores of scientists who have stated one of two things.  Either we
do not know, or that they disagree with hypothosis about global warming.
 Just today a report came out proving there was a 60 year drought and
extreme heat in the southwest USA in the 1200's.  That means these
things can happen without human caused pollution.  There was another
report this week talking about CO2 build up in the antartic.  It clearly
stated the vast majority was NOT from man.  Earlier this year teams of
Russian and European scientists predicted a cooling trend in 50 years.
These are from scientists that you refuse to accept their findings.  You
toss them aside because they don't agree with your uneducated beliefs.

>  Incidentally Riles or whatever your name is, when you show me how many
> people train in Mexico go on to win sporting events against people who train
> in clean air then you might get my interest.

So that is how you base your assumptions on?  Which country produces the
most athletes?  Hmm...Africa is very polluted in it's cities.  Yet, they
routinly win at the summer Olympics.  So much for your VERY absurd logic!!

> the air, this little Mexico thing is energy company way to twist some
> numbers

Energy company conspiracy huh?  This organization has no ties to any
such thing.  You just showed you are willing to make up conspiracy
theories with no basis for the simple reason that doing so supports your
beliefs and facts are not needed
miles - 18 May 2007 01:14 GMT
> I don't know anything about Mexico city or the methods used to measure .

And there in lies your weakness.  Pollution is not a localized problem.
 Nor is asthma and the understanding of both.  You understand neither.
mcs - 18 May 2007 16:37 GMT
particulate pollution usually shows damage from man made fuels and carbon
dioxide. The extent in which I think could be proven much more then already
exists. Why less of some pollution doesn't cause more asthma is not a
mystery. I have no idea where you get your numbers but every single chart
and time I see particulate pollution as measured from epa go past a certain
level I see damages. There are probably some variations depending on what
that particulate pollution is composed of, but that doesn't refut the fact
that millions of people are exposed to the things that gov calls moderat and
its not that , its murder and its lethal and toxic. You niles would have to
show why particulate pollution if lessened is causing more asthma. , I don't
know that to be the case or what is deducted as particulate pollution in
your area. or what other pollution might be causing the more asthma but the
places with least particulate pollution usually have higher standards of
living and live longer.  Just give people the kind we get and nothing is
done, is way enough to show they allow murder by pollution.and that is
important to state. Murder by politicians is allowed and going strong in my
area and other areas .
>> I don't know anything about Mexico city or the methods used to measure .
>
> And there in lies your weakness.  Pollution is not a localized problem.
> Nor is asthma and the understanding of both.  You understand neither.
miles - 19 May 2007 01:18 GMT
>  You niles would have to
> show why particulate pollution if lessened is causing more asthma.

No, you must prove otherwise.  You don't want to listen to the facts
regarding Mexico City.  How about the Henan province of China?  It is
one of the most polluted air and water regions of the world and is very
densly populated.  Yet, they have a higher lifespan than anywhere in the
USA.  There are far more factors than particulates that effect lifespan.
 It is not the #1 problem in dealing with longevity.
mcs - 19 May 2007 02:31 GMT
>>  You niles would have to show why particulate pollution if lessened is
>> causing more asthma.
>
> No, you must prove otherwise.  You don't want to listen to the facts
> regarding Mexico City.
I have not gone over the data for that yet, because it sounds too fishy. Why
does one have to go to Mexico City? Scientists can if they desire   show
comparisons in health and rates of  cancer and illness and morbidty age with
two distinct different groups  of people , one in clean air and one in
particle pollution, that reaches moderate or worse at least 1/3 the time. .
If they wanted to they can compare the same exact differences in affects
from coal particulate soot with people who don't get it. They can show
health affects of people who work all day in traffic or live on crowded
streets with cars going by all day and those who live in clean air. I know
that , the people who get my kind of particulate pollution , that is around
my area , are being poisoned. If your saying other areas of people get
different componets of particulate pollution as measured by epa  but it
measures the same and don't have added soot thrown in and don't suffer
negative consequences. I would like to see that data.. I think this meek
attempt at trying to single out instances where particulate pollution is not
as lethal as other places even though its measured the same might show some
truth, but I have no idea how they came to those stats . All I know is
UNLESS they compare the things I said to compare, to show cause and effect
and comparisons , then assume for every category of health people downwind
are exposed to  particulate pollution and or car emissions and coal soot
consistantly are harmed relative to how often they are exposed and at
moderate or worse particulate pollution. Levels. Now how particulate levels
are measued becuase people are often exposed to different particulates in
the air is not up to me to determine. I think they don't come close exposing
the dangers with the people who get the most lethal types let alone then
trying to determine if the same circumstances happen to people who get dust
particulates instead of emission particulates. Even so I can't believe there
is a type of particulae pollution that don't cause harm if its made up from
coal or co2 or industry exhaust , or home exhaust. and it reaches moderate
levels. period. You niles are the type that would like to find the one
exception based on a few things that are different and then propose this
damage isn't happening.  Your basically the type of person who chooses to
look at the obvious and look away akin to snake oil salesman and smoking
industry experts from the past who took a thousand differnet tests and
publicized the ones that said smoking was not harmful. If we had the
internet back then I am sure you would be an advocate for smoking not
causing damage too.

emission and coal and plant emissions. and soot

How about the Henan province of China?  It is
> one of the most polluted air and water regions of the world and is very
> densly populated.  Yet, they have a higher lifespan than anywhere in the
> USA.  There are far more factors than particulates that effect lifespan.
> It is not the #1 problem in dealing with longevity.
mcs - 17 May 2007 15:43 GMT
Ps , I have been to other places in Asia where the still have leaded gas and
the places are  much worse then the US but thats not the point. The point is
, for the best country in the world to make policy that stops it at the
point that does most harm and on east coast and they are not! doing enough..
Incidentally in these third world places, I don't trust anyone to ever
report exactly how damaging and why places are. Is Mexico City your new guru
proof particulate pollution isn't dangerous? I assure you, with every ounce
of truth I know , its very dangerous. My black air filter might not be doing
harm to Mexican residents for whatever reason someone can come up , me, I
know what this does to you..
> no cures ever for asthma and cancer,, the only thing that will help most
> is get people out of harms way. so they don't get it in first place or not
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>>>>>> the
>>>>>> dangers. >
miles - 18 May 2007 01:16 GMT
> Ps , I have been to other places in Asia where the still have leaded gas and
> the places are  much worse then the US but thats not the point. The point is
> , for the best country in the world to make policy that stops it at the
> point that does most harm and on east coast and they are not!

You have never stated what you feel that policy should be, when it
should be enacted and how quickly fully implemented.  Tell us exactly
what technology needs to be used by the masses today and who will pay
for it.
 
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