are usually in worse shape and the defining factor? They don't comparisons
to show even more damage from particulate pollution. the tests I did show
the biggest conspiracy to allow poisoning ever in the us
UNbelievable
about conspiracy....like I said, I can only rationalize base on the facts as
I see them. Millions of people partake in crime each year and millions more
get away with it. When particulate pollution closes my body down in moderate
range, one has to wonder how they determine thats " moderate" ! In fact even
the US govor / other agenecies hs said moderate particulate pollution can /
or causes harm. They say 1/3 of the people in the US get yearly amounts of
pollution that causes tens of thousands of premature deaths. They don't
define though what exactly the readings are , or where exactly these people
tend to reside or warn people to stay away..do
they ? When up to one Quarter of kids in some areas have asthma and no one
tried to see a connection between particulate pollution or what to do about
, that says
conspiracy. too for all the above reasons. They have drug companies
advertising day and night for nebulizers but not one media firm telling
people why we have most asthma! that needs those drugs.. that suggest
conspiracy. Finally when my body shuts down and air filter turns black,, in
27 days and politicians and media ignores pleas for help faster even when
some politicians admit we need to do more.. I not only
believe in conspiracies I believe in legalized murder for energy companies..
I know the people who promote policies that keep these things in place have
made billions doing so while sponsering legislation where you can't sue them
if you prove damages sometimes. Anyway I do believe in conspiracies and much
more important the research to compare peoples health between polluted and
non polluted areas (particulate ) and if done I assert there will the
biggest differences in consequences then most anything can possibly be.
one of the biggest conspiracies of all time going on now is to allow the
> poisoning of people , read on why its allowed. Tell family members to
> leave
> if your area gets this poison. I have studied this for ten years and I am
> convinces people are not protected equally in the US. People have
> suggested
> those in harms way should move, but how do they move when many don't know
> whats causing the poisons or conditions they have to begin with or can't
> afford to move? Do you tell nonsmokers to move or do prevent smokers from
> forcing their smoke on others.
> This particulate pollution Literally involunatarily forces me to get
> asthma.. gasp for breath. It might
> not do that for everyone but over time, over and over again I have found
> for
> the vast majority in its way... ishows that it
> causes damage to people . yet no one can sue?
> If I could prove conclusively how they conspire to limit speech or
> consequences from particulate pollution, I wouldn't be writing here, I
> would
> be a lawyer in a courtroom , suing not only for damages but trying to
> prosecute for murder.. promoting policies that are causing tens of
> thousands
> to die early or get sick is murder.. worse then if you take a gun and look
> for one person. but I do promote people to seek answers for
> things they can control. I am not a scientist but I can read the stats and
> make small comparisons in health news.and so far for almost every
> conceivable category of health , the people downwind from particulate
> pollution are or seem to be in worse shape. Of course how long a wait
> will
> you see the
> results of that assertion is how long you will wait for things to
> change..
> peoples health who live on streets with lots of truck traffic or near fast
> food with idling cars, I assert live in much more ill health then those in
> clean air. I can come up with 100 different conditions that would show how
> people are more prone to get cancer or die earlier for a myriad of reasons
> in air that has more particulates but then again the gov would like you to
> believe you got sick cause of heredit instead. Its all inthe percentages
> and
> I think they don't want to compare health that way . The little bit I have
> done shows the largest conspiracy to not tell people how they are harmed
> since smoking ads were allowed on tv..is going on. Except for smoking or
> food intake there almost is no bigger danger to health then mild or worse
> particulate pollution and soot and yet most kids are not warned and most
> changes to stop it have not been done.. How long will you have to wait to
> see the stress tests comparisons, the hosptial admissions by age between
> people who get this pollution and don't? . I assume if they are worried
> about
> tainted spinanch they would be worried about pollution that is causing
> more
> damage then most everything in this life combined... If you don't think
> thats important to find out people most affected are not warned or why
> those people are not told but rather have drug companies come to those
> places instead to advertise to.. then you can call it whatever you want. I
> call it a conspiracy to poison and profit at their expense.
>
> You heard it from me if they did comparisons those downwind from pollution
> would have much more respiratory problems and sleep problems. yet you
> hardly
> ever hear a peep about it. That says to me conspiracy.
> Ever hear news people ask hard questions anymore? I don't. Why is it if
> we
> saw a penny on the ground from space 50 years ago we can't catch
> terrorists
> or put an end to the terrorists training grounds? I can go on like why did
> Yahoo stop free posting of conversations after news ? I can ask why the
> city
> with the most asthma then every place in the US is not told of ways to
> limit
> the condition or about its air pollution. Poison contributes to jobs ,gets
> people like Karen to work for hospitals instead worrying about me warning
> people to get out of harms way.. How do people like this exist? Good versu
> bad.. truth
> means squat.. when they can poison you and get away with it. this is worse
> at times then lots of places we point fingers about. Why? Cause we know we
> are deciving and poisoning people and doing nothing much to stop it.
>
> whats being done? They predict NE states will have ten degree higher
> temperatures within 20 years. thats a yellow flag for ever more poison
> particulate pollution too
> Look can we pay more for gasoline while killing ourselves and supporting
> terrorists at the same time ? Can we do it faster? People who get moderate
> or worse particulate poison are getting poisoned. I
> dare and in fact I triple dare any group of
> scientists to prove that living in this poison is as healthy as living in
> clean air. The real truth kids is if you and family are living downwind
> from
> moderate or worse pollution many times,, you have much more chances of
> dying early and
> being in poor health. and if studies were done as in comparisons. ever
> conceivable category of health is compromised. What I have discovered is
> the
> most amazing set of horrible circumstances that this US has ever held from
> the people. I have seen babies cry more in this air. I have monitored
> sleep
> differences ( less sleep in this air) more asthma, more asthma meds
> needed,
> more respiratory disese and death and more cancers etc. in this air. They
> will have walks for cancer and heart disease but
> never tell you why or where you were more prone to get it. Its not a
> mystery... there
> is a huge conspiracy to keep the damages from moderate or worse
> particulate
> pollution from the people. At least the Supreme Court has sided with
> getting
> more done to stop it but its still hardly talked about. This is the most
> important thing for people living in these areas! Walk, cry, beg your
> parents to get you out of
> harms way. Its sad, I have to be the one to try as desperately as I can to
> save people and kids but thats what I am begging you and your family to
> do.
> The gov and politicians still don't care to protect you until maybe year
> 2030 when the overall affects will have already had its negative effects.
> Every category of health almost I claim, can be proven to be adversely
> affected from this KNOWN TOXIC poisoning which is allowed to affect people
> knowingly and unkowingly.. This is the greatest cause of ill health
> besides
> smoking and poor diet, I claim in the US todaybut is not talked about.
> Every
> category of health, from cancer, to number of hospital admissions to use
> of
> asthma meds to number or respiratory illness is worse in these areas.. and
> yet nothing is done. This is not a slightly more riskier place to live,
> its
> almost unbelievabley worse. I swear to god I am telling you the truth and
> get yourself out of harms way. I couldn't and I am suggesting do what you
> can to get politicians to care and change this MASS POISONING that goes on
> today.
>
> if your area gets moderate or worse particulate pollution at least one
> third
> the time..
> Was there and is there a conspiracy to keep the consequences of MODERATE
>>> amounts particulate pollution from the people especially in my area but
>>> I
>>> am sure in many areas also? Many people do not know why they need their
>>> asthma meds
>>> more or get sick faster or more often or die faster but they can know if
>>> they wish . The news media who is suppose to inform on this issue but
>>> don't, certainly have
>>> no drawbacks to accept advertisments gerared to the people most affected
>>> with most
>>> respiratory illness in Philadelphia. Of course people who get
>>> respiratory
>>> illness more then 100,000 other places are allowed the freedom to choose
>>> which facility will treat them after they are poisoned .
>>>Local and federal policies allow them to be poisoned and thats the
>>>assertion I am making and its one of the biggest conspiracies of all time
>>>,, the
>>> conspiracy to allow the poisoning of people without adequately warning
>>> people or protecting people.
>>> Its becoming clearer and clearer when everything is equal those exposed
>>> to
>>> moderate levels or worse of particulate pollution in terms of total
>>> amount
>>> and frequency , are adversely affected . They suffer more respiratory
>>> disease and illness and morbidity relative to exact amounts of exposure
>>> and
>>> how often and those people are not protected simply put or warned of the
>>> dangers. I am the one who had to show the exact correlations. In
>>> addition
>>> I believe babies cry more often and asthma meds
>>> have
>>> to be utilized much more often and people get sick much more oftenh in
>>> those conditions compared to conditions
>>> that have clean air.How is that proven? Easy by comparisons to people
>>> who
>>> don't get it! By monitoring the use of inhalers and when its needed
>>> most.
>>> By comparing the amount of illness relative to amounts of particulate
>>> pollution get ..
>>> we are finally talking about changes, but it wasn't happening till I
>>> made
>>> some unbelievable conclusions, I was the first to suggest that a giant
>>> conspiracy was taken place where Govt knew of the dangers and even had
>>> an
>>> EPA find a way to measure it yet not do anything to show the consquences
>>> or
>>> lessen it enough.Still the changes are not happening soon enough because
>>> of all the negative things affecting Philly is still happening when it
>>> comes to air pollution and especially particulate pollution. This
>>> conspiracy to allow the poisoning of Americans is killing more Americans
>>> then terrorists and murderers combined. There are millions who unfairly
>>> are being poisoned more
>>> then others in the US and especially in Philly who will die and get sick
>>> without a news media
>>> to explain it or investigate why it happens more here or in polluted
>>> areas much more then in non pollluted areas.
>>> >>..I am not sure
>> if the effects from pollution affect the most sensitive first or if its
>> the added co2 ( poison) in the air but I can put a finger on what is most
>> damaging and where ......., and yet still the status quo goes on without
>> a
>> way > to protect people in harms way Many people will live and pay more
>> then anything in their life for energy that is literally killing them and
>> family sooner then others.. and in affect paying for their own
>> poisoning,,
>> The people who die from cancers and lung diseases directly result from
>> particulate
>> pollution ( diesel , coal and industry soot and pollution) is the biggest
>> conspiracy in the US today kept from most people..
>
>> This is the missing link,, comparisons could be had,, definitions of
>> types
>> of pollution and who is responsible can be had...
>> know that once particulate pollution reaches moderate all hell breaks
>> out.
> I have seen it over and over and to the extent any tests would verify my
> accusastions, I think its done deal to prove in court. More importantly,
> because to wait for courts or politicians to care or for more proof if
> ever,
> is not the most important link, what is , is to get the hell
> out of harms way if humanely possible.People must know what I am saying no
> one else is much saying. not to stay where particulate pollution reaches
> mild at least 130 days a year or close to 1/3 of the time. Every
> conceivable
> link I have found with true stats would show the horrible consequences
> over
> time from people living in this untold poisoning and killing field
> compared
> to people who didn't. It does though in a way provide jobs and for the
> energy companies to produce energy at the expense though of people who
> thru
> no fault of their own can't protect themselves.. I cited parts of the
> constitution which says people should be protected from undue harm yet
> they
> are still to this moment no universal standards to get people out of harms
> way.
> I saw an add for childhood asthma and they talked about dust mites but no
> mention of particulate pollution. Amazing.. absolutely amazing and I bet
> my
> life that can be proved much more unhealthy for children in terms of how
> many babies affected and the severity of the condition and consequences
> then
> worrying about
> dust mites. I am not saying dust mites are not important but when compared
> to particulate pollution which is virtually never done, its importance is
> small. I want to know why particulate pollution is not resounding thru
> neighborhoods and cities which get it., I want to know how people who live
> in these places don't want to know how much worse their chances for
> survival
> in good health are when they breathe air that turns my furnance filter
> black
> in 26 days and causes more asthma then 400,000 other cities around the
> country. Is there a magic way to ignore that? This is the reason they die
> faster
> and its preventable if there was no conspiracy to not tell people
>
> as for all the people who complain about me and read here anyway, why am I
> surprised? No team in Philly is winning much in sports, and not many
> athletes do well in other areas in moderate or worse pollution let alone
> if
> people were objectevitely told of their horrid health facts when compared
> to people who didn't get it. In my area, virtually silent about the
> pollution we get most often,,, and our violent crime is
> horrible, our politicians are often on the take. our citizens are often
> mean
> spirited and no one can prove anything i said is not true. Incidentally
> how
> many could have predicted the Supreme Court thinks more action is needed
> to
> protect people from pollution? After all if all I said was lame why all
> the
> commotion with lung centers and unemployment and violence here? If people
> in
> denial here is any indication, this is why it takes so long for good
> things
> to happen in our air. In the meantime.. enjoy the air that turns air
> filters
> black in 25 days. I know you will
miles - 12 May 2007 21:09 GMT
> snipped
Here is a clear example of why technology for pollution free cars is not
available nor affordable today. Honda is building a few new hydrogen
cars on a lease only basis similar to what GM did years ago. They are
years away from making it mainstream.
" Since each of those cars cost about $1 million to build, Honda's
clearly not making money on that deal."
http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2007/autos/0705/gallery.honda_fcx/2.html
mcs - 12 May 2007 21:25 GMT
if everyone in the US used cars we have available now to cut down on
emission/ co2 that would reduce pollution and green house gases by allot.
There are lots of things we could do if we believed people were harmed but
we don't tell them they are being harmed and where just use these sometimes
generic statments about tens of thousands dying prematurely. We are not
ready to do serious things to stop this. The point in which it harms peopel
to the extent its doing is all I am asking to for sane politicians to do
now, not in 2030
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>
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>
> http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2007/autos/0705/gallery.honda_fcx/2.html
miles - 12 May 2007 23:33 GMT
> if everyone in the US used cars we have available now to cut down on
> emission/ co2 that would reduce pollution and green house gases by allot.
So everyone should go out today and buy a new car? Is that your
affordable plan? Too funny! What car should they buy? A foreign made
hybrid perhaps? They are not as green as you think they are, especially
on the highway.
mcs - 13 May 2007 04:14 GMT
I am sure its funny to you,,, but the people who are affected and left to
pay to treat respiratory disease after paying more then most anything for
air that causes it, from not having clean air is a riot also to you.
>> if everyone in the US used cars we have available now to cut down on
>> emission/ co2 that would reduce pollution and green house gases by allot.
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> hybrid perhaps? They are not as green as you think they are, especially
> on the highway.
miles - 13 May 2007 04:23 GMT
> I am sure its funny to you,,, but the people who are affected and left to
> pay to treat respiratory disease after paying more then most anything for
> air that causes it, from not having clean air is a riot also to you.
You fail to realize that just about everyone agrees with you that
pollution is a bad thing. Our disagreement isn't on that issue. It's
your uneducated methods you have chosen to attempt change. Instead it
will have the opposite effect by making yourself look, well, uneducated.
mcs - 12 May 2007 21:28 GMT
the point at which they decided to mandate changes that would actually help
save people and the planet because damage has crossed the lines from the
energy policies and companies is the point I care about. We don't have
emission standards and in fact we don't even care to find out how many
people are actually being really poisoned and why and I am saying if they
did, they might have to do more now.
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>
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>
> http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2007/autos/0705/gallery.honda_fcx/2.html
miles - 12 May 2007 23:38 GMT
> the point at which they decided to mandate changes that would actually help
> save people and the planet because damage has crossed the lines from the
> energy policies and companies is the point I care about. We don't have
> emission standards
So your entire rant is about local issues in your particular area? It
was the Democrats who repealed the PA Clean Air Act in 2005 but you knew
that already right?
Why are you posting on a nationwide forum when your real issues are all
local? Most states do have emission standard that exceed the federal.
PA does comply with the CARB emissions standards that have increased
every year since 1990.
mcs - 13 May 2007 03:52 GMT
>> the point at which they decided to mandate changes that would actually
>> help save people and the planet because damage has crossed the lines from
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> Why are you posting on a nationwide forum when your real issues are all
> local? Most states do have emission standard that exceed the federal.
because any area that gets moderate or worse particulate pollution needs to
be aware of the implications. I tend to care about people who like life
whereever they are.
Emission standards that don't address global warming or lowering the
particulate pollution to safe levels is about as useless as a ionizer air
filter. You are correct though , some areas don't have air emission
standards and wouldn't know the difference or care if they did.Thats because
the news media would rather keep the people most prone to use meds in our
area for respiratory disease thinking asthma is a mysterious disease instead
of concentrating on why people get asthma in the first place. Call it a
conspiracy when I call and ask the station manager why they have news
stories botox and bad spinanch but ignore asthma.. you know what he said.
the people don't want to know and hung up on me.
> PA does comply with the CARB emissions standards that have increased every
> year since 1990.
miles - 13 May 2007 04:08 GMT
> because any area that gets moderate or worse particulate pollution needs to
> be aware of the implications. I tend to care about people who like life
> whereever they are.
Then why are you bashing the republicans when the problems you are
having in PA are caused by the DEMOCRATS. You have a mostly Democrat
government and they are the ones who repealed the Clean Air Act in 2005.
Bash them!! It appears you are not only uneducated on enviromental
issues, you are also uneducated on your own states government and politics.
> Emission standards that don't address global warming or lowering the
> particulate pollution to safe levels is about as useless as a ionizer air
> filter.
The issue of global warming and health are not necessarily the same.
Case in point: The Dems pushed regulations to change emissions standard
on automobiles. The regulations helped reduce carbon monoxide, at the
expense of higher greenhouse gas emissions. You're backing the wrong
party and don't know it. Educate yourself on the environment!!
mcs - 13 May 2007 12:43 GMT
>> because any area that gets moderate or worse particulate pollution needs
>> to be aware of the implications. I tend to care about people who like
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> automobiles. The regulations helped reduce carbon monoxide, at the
> expense of higher greenhouse gas emissions.
how so?
You're backing the wrong
> party and don't know it. Educate yourself on the environment!!
> If you ever read what I wrote, I blamed the respublicans for denying
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> think of that is allowed to go on and I realize this is a freaking
> nightmare of unbelievable proportions..
miles - 13 May 2007 14:48 GMT
> "miles" <nope@nopers.com> wrote in message
>> The issue of global warming and health are not necessarily the same. Case
>> in point: The Dems pushed regulations to change emissions standard on
>> automobiles. The regulations helped reduce carbon monoxide, at the
>> expense of higher greenhouse gas emissions.
> how so?
Here's some info for you on the ill side effects of oxygenated gasoline.
Your continued lack of understanding causes you to push for knee jerk
reactionary measures without taking into all factors into consideration.
That is a very liberal & democrat trait.
Oxygenated fuels reduce carbon monoxide but cause an increase of toxic
carbonyls such as formaldehyde, acetaldehyde and acrolein. Not good
global warming is of concern to you.
NOx emissions were shown to have increased with use of these blended
fuels. NOx is not something we want in our air!!
MTBE in gasoline causes respiratory illnesses (i.e., shortness of
breath, asthma, bronchitis, and a variety of breathing problems)
MTBE is soluble in water and does not biodegrade easily. There have
been increasing detections of MTBE in ground waters and reservoirs. Our
water supply is being polluted from it's use. Other blending methods
such as TAME, ETBE etc. have similar issues. You rant about breathing
problems. What about health issues from contaminated ground water?