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The biggest conspiracy to murder since smoking

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mcs - 11 May 2007 17:16 GMT
If I could prove conclusively  how they conspire to limit speech or
consequences from particulate pollution, I wouldn't be writing here, I would
be a lawyer in a courtroom ,but I do promote people to seek answers for
things they can control. I am not a scientist but I can read the stats and
make small comparisons in health news.and so far for almost every
conceivable category of health the people downwind from particulate
pollution are in worse shape. Of course how long a wait will you see the
results of peoples health who live on streets with lots of truck traffic
compared to people who live in clean air.. How long will you have to wait to
see the stress tests comparisons, the hosptial admissions by age between
people who get this pollution and don't. I assume if they are worried about
tainted spinanch they would be worried about pollution that is causing more
damage then most everything in this life combined... If you don't think
thats important to find out  people most affected are not warned or why
those people are not told but rather have drug companies come to those
places instead to advertise to.. then you can call it whatever you want. I
call it a conspiracy to poison and profit at their expense.

You heard it from me if they did comparisons those downwind from pollution
would have much more respiratory problems and sleep problems. yet you hardly
ever hear a peep about it. That says to me conspiracy.
Ever hear news people ask hard questions anymore? I don't.  Why is it if we
saw a penny on the ground from space 50 years ago we can't catch terrorists
or put an end to the terrorists training grounds? I can go on like why did
Yahoo stop free posting of conversations after news ? I can ask why the city
with the most asthma then every place in the US is not told of ways to limit
the condition or about its air pollution. Poison contributes to jobs , truth
means squat.. when they can poison you and get away with it. this is worse
at times then lots of places we point fingers about. Why? Cause we know we
are deciving and poisoning people and doing nothing much to stop it.
NorthShoreCEO - 11 May 2007 17:33 GMT
Why don't you get a diary?  This way you won't be polluting this newsgroup,
which is filled with people who:

1)  have information you claim isn't known

2)  don't wear tinfoil hats

3)  are sick and tired of having the topic of asthma hijacked by someone who
clearly is sick in the head
mcs - 11 May 2007 17:53 GMT
why don't you follow your own advice and put me on ignore.lol but that might
take some brain power or might make your insecurity about being right come
into play.

> Why don't you get a diary?  This way you won't be polluting this
> newsgroup, which is filled with people who:
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> 3)  are sick and tired of having the topic of asthma hijacked by someone
> who clearly is sick in the head
miles - 12 May 2007 01:28 GMT
> why don't you follow your own advice and put me on ignore.lol but that might
> take some brain power or might make your insecurity about being right come
> into play.

Why do spammers such as yourself always use the ploy you just did?  I
mean if your goal is to get people to side with you and help solve the
issues that are important to you, then why do you strive to piss them
off instead?  Always the same with radical conspiracy theorists.  Their
methods do not attract others to their cause but instead cause just the
opposite.  Good job!
mcs - 12 May 2007 12:26 GMT
>> why don't you follow your own advice and put me on ignore.lol but that
>> might take some brain power or might make your insecurity about being
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> methods do not attract others to their cause but instead cause just the
> opposite.  Good job!

Miles how do you stop people with billions of dollars? By showing cause and
effect. REasonable people will deduct logic, unreasonable people or people
who know I am might be right and don't like it will say what you have said.
Since I began writing this issue has made me money in stocks, republicans
who supported unlimited pollution has gotten voted out of office, the
Supreme "Court has sided for more protected, states have sued, I  got
married, had kids and had people thanks me.. so help me god. Where you are
wrong, like your take on global warming is the impact naysayers like you
believe you have., There is total maybe 30 to 100 people who don't like what
I say allot and considering how many things  I say against republicans and
energy and diesel makers and car makers and coal  and pharmacies , I think
your kind is a rather meek example of  a timid response. The overall message
is clear to those who understand the links I left before and who can look up
objective information. You sir and your a rather mild example , incidentally
is someone who chose to spin the numbers to deny what I have said for the
most part. You think your value like others depends on who agrees with you,
on the net.. I suspect you look at overalll general opinions from voters and
other things I mentioned before sa more practical explanation on what is
happening to our planet
miles - 12 May 2007 14:13 GMT
> Miles how do you stop people with billions of dollars? By showing cause and
> effect.

I agree.  However, you do not do so.  You have shown yourself to be
someone who does not have very much knowledge on the environment as a
whole.

> REasonable people will deduct logic, unreasonable people or people
> who know I am might be right and don't like it will say what you have said.

Reasonable people will fully research the subject at hand.  For
instance, cars are the number one source of pollution in this country.
Yet you have failed to show why car manufactures would conspire to
create polluting cars.  Is there a conspiracy where the car manufactures
are getting a kick back from the oil companies?  If so, show it.  My
guess is you have no idea but it sounds good so you go with it.  Do some
research and understand the mechanics of it.

>, republicans
> who supported unlimited pollution has gotten voted out of office

Here in Arizona many Dems got booted because of their uneducated radical
approaches to enviromental concerns.  They decided the best thing for
forests was to leave them alone, no thinning and cleaning of the
forests.  The result?  A massive 500,000 acre forest fire that quickly
spread 45 miles across the state.  Why?  Because the left alone forests
became overgrown with very small trees that choked the forests ability
to support taller stronger trees.  After the Dems got the boot
controlled forest thinning was allowed.  Today the forests look great,
except for the area burned from the Dems arrogance.

> There is total maybe 30 to 100 people who don't like what
> I say allot and considering how many things  I say against republicans and
> energy and diesel makers and car makers and coal  and pharmacies , I think
> your kind is a rather meek example of  a timid response.

Now thats arrogance.  You have no support here at all but you fail to
understand why.  I don't like pollution any more than you do.  But
uneducated radical responses from your type cause more damage than good.
 Well thought out workable solutions are a better way.  I think your
kind is a rather arrogant knee-jerk headline reactionary response devoid
of reason and logic.  You can't solve a problem for which you do not
understand yourself.
mcs - 12 May 2007 15:19 GMT
about conspiracy....like I said, I can only rationalize base on the facts as
I see them. Millions of people partake in crime each year and millions more
get away with it. When particulate pollution closes my body down in moderate
range, one has to wonder how they determine thats " moderate" ! In fact even
the US govor / other agenecies hs said moderate particulate pollution can /
or causes harm. They say 1/3 of the people in the US get yearly amounts of
pollution that causes tens of thousands of premature deaths. They don't
define though what exactly the reading are to warn people to stay away..do
they ? When up to one Quarter of kids in some areas have asthma and no one
tried to see a connection between particulate pollution  that says
conspiracy. too for all the above reasons. They have drug companies
advertising day and night for nebulizers but not one media firm telling
people why we have most asthma! that needs those drugs.. that suggest
conspiracy. Finally when my body shuts down  and air filter turns black,, in
27 days and politicians and media ignores pleas for help faster.. I not only
believe in conspiracies I believe in legalized murder for energy companies..
I know the people who promote policies that keep these things in place have
made billions doing so while sponsering legislation where you can't sue them
if you prove damages sometimes. Anyway I do believe in conspiracies and much
more important the research to compare peoples health between polluted and
non polluted areas (particulate )  and if done I assert there will the
biggest differences in consequences then most anything can possibly be. Many
people suggest the status quo often promote jobs  and with billions of
dollars at stakes,, anything is possible when they can poison ya. Why would
I suggest they are poisoning me if they are not?
aroberts - 12 May 2007 15:51 GMT
" Why would
> I suggest they are poisoning me if they are not?

Rampant paranoia.
00doc - 12 May 2007 15:58 GMT
> " Why would
>> I suggest they are poisoning me if they are not?
>
> Rampant paranoia.

Attention seeking
Persecution complex
Making excuses.
Delusions of grandeur
Trolling
Borderline personality disorder
Savior complex

I'm sure I'll think of more possibilities as soon as I hit send.

Please keep in mind - I'm tossing these out as posible reasons why someone
might do as you do other than it being the truth. I'm not saying that I
believe any one particular one of these is definately true. Personally, I
think it is probably much more complicated than just picking one and
wouldn't pretend to understand it even by half.

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mcs - 12 May 2007 20:30 GMT
>> " Why would
>>> I suggest they are poisoning me if they are not?
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> think it is probably much more complicated than just picking one and
> wouldn't pretend to understand it even by half.

doc
the reason people get onselt asthma has more to do with particulate
pollution then bacteria. I didn't have to go to med school to be wrong.
miles - 12 May 2007 20:40 GMT
> the reason people get onselt asthma has more to do with particulate
> pollution then bacteria. I didn't have to go to med school to be wrong.

That is simply not true.  Read up on Mexico City and then tell me again.
aroberts - 12 May 2007 23:32 GMT
>>> " Why would
>>>> I suggest they are poisoning me if they are not?
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> the reason people get onselt asthma has more to do with particulate
> pollution then bacteria. I didn't have to go to med school to be wrong.

No, you're wrong the old-fashioned way:  by being uneducated.
mcs - 13 May 2007 04:01 GMT
>>>> " Why would
>>>>> I suggest they are poisoning me if they are not?
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>>I never read where bacteria causes onset asthma. except in your deluded
>>world that pumps medicines.
I assure you the cities with most asthma or onset asthma or people who have
to breath bus and car exhaust and particulates get more asthma from that
then bacteria. The people who die from pollution in cities are rarely dying
because their lungs constrict from bacteria. Your not only an idiot but a
stupid one . I never ever heard any person talk to me about bacteria..except
you.  and when I take asthma meds that help expand lung function, it has
nothing to do with reducing bacteria lol   what idiots. and look who calls
me idiots. ..
When moribitiy and asthma is higher in my city and less in cities with clean
air , it has absolutely nothing to do with levels of bacteria.
Every time I leave a polluted area and get to clean air my lungs start to
function wonderfully. Now reaction to pollen might cause constricted lungs
but the percentages of people with most asthma having more bacteria is
bogus.
miles - 13 May 2007 04:09 GMT
> I assure you the cities with most asthma or onset asthma or people who have
> to breath bus and car exhaust and particulates get more asthma from that
> then bacteria.

Mexico City has the most polluted air in the world.  They also have a
very low incidence of asthma.  Do some research as to why.  Might
surprise you.
00doc - 13 May 2007 15:18 GMT
> doc
> the reason people get onselt asthma has more to do with particulate
> pollution then bacteria. I didn't have to go to med school to be wrong.

I never denied the one or compared the two.  Therefore you don't have enough
of a valid point to even be wrong. Keeo tryig and you may someday get there.

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mcs - 12 May 2007 20:42 GMT
ps I am glad you spend so much time putting me on ignore and commenting
about conditions about me. I always spend many minutes writing about someone
I think is crazy not

>> " Why would
>>> I suggest they are poisoning me if they are not?
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> think it is probably much more complicated than just picking one and
> wouldn't pretend to understand it even by half.
 
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