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mcs - 11 May 2007 13:28 GMT miles you have to answer to your God, and I assure you, your not going to be happy. You said people have not claimed we can't do more sooner.. Just do a look up on search.. its so crazy a statement You said there was nothing to worry about co2 emissions since its the same, then why this MILES?
- Future eastern United States summers look much hotter than originally predicted with daily highs about 10 degrees warmer than in recent years by the mid-2080s, a new
NASA study says. ADVERTISEMENT
Previous and widely used global warming computer estimates predict too many rainy days, the study says. Because drier weather is hotter, they underestimate how warm it will be east of the Mississippi River, said atmospheric scientists Barry Lynn and Leonard Druyan of Columbia University and NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies.
"Unless we take some strong action to curtail carbon dioxide emissions, it's going to get a lot hotter," said Lynn, now a scientist at Hebrew University of Jerusalem. "It's going to be a lot more dangerous for people who are not in the best of health."
The study got mixed reviews from other climate scientists, in part because the eastern United States has recently been wetter and cooler than forecast.
Instead of daily summer highs in the 1990s that averaged in the low to mid 80s Fahrenheit, the eastern United States is in for daily summer highs regularly in the low to mid 90s, the study found. The study only looked at the eastern United States because that was the focus of the funding by the U.S.
Environmental Protection Agency, Lynn said.
And that's just the eastern United States as a whole. For individual cities, the future looks even hotter.
In the 2080s, the average summer high will probably be 102 degrees
Oh Karen, its the same everywhere right?
Karen Y Byrd - 11 May 2007 13:55 GMT >- Future eastern United States summers look much hotter than originally >predicted with daily highs about 10 degrees warmer than in recent years by >the mid-2080s. That's nearly 100 years from now. I wouldn't put too much credence on it. Even the youngest member of my family, who's just over 2 years old might not be alive then, so the people for whom it will matter aren't, most likely, even born yet.
Art Clemons - 11 May 2007 14:50 GMT > That's nearly 100 years from now. I wouldn't put too much credence > on it. Even the youngest member of my family, who's just over 2 years > old might not be alive then, so the people for whom it will matter > aren't, most likely, even born yet. You realize of course that if you didn't quote whomever, I wouldn't see the posts, it's a shame the individual in question misses the point constantly but ..........
It's amazing incidentally that anyone would rely on a 100 year projection considering how accurate 10 year projections turn out to be.
mcs - 11 May 2007 16:33 GMT ART do you smoke or are you in news journalism? How do you manage to respond to me anyway? lol Do a look up on the city with most asthma and respiratory disease and I think you said its from mold? Show me. show links that say mold causes more illness as opposed to particulate pollution and causes our number one rating for asthma doctors and deaths? You think that might be more important to coming to conclusions then joining people who are in denial. In your life 20 people who smoke. or don't like what I say is crazy? Thats your feeling of majority? Do a look up for more co2 emissions in air...... Do a look up for particulate pollution and its affects. Then show me (not the map which shows total amounts.).show me how often Philly gets it. Then show me comparisons of peoples health and tell me why there is no connection between Phillys poor health stats. the number of commercials for asthma meds and increased probablity Philly suffers more respiratory illness then every place in the country and particulate pollution. . That don't concern you , does it but its me that bothers ya.Hoho.. I think you got your values mixed up.Why do we have so many murders art? Because we didn't let the murderes out sooner? Wow what are you smoking.
>> That's nearly 100 years from now. I wouldn't put too much credence >> on it. Even the youngest member of my family, who's just over 2 years [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > It's amazing incidentally that anyone would rely on a 100 year projection > considering how accurate 10 year projections turn out to be. miles - 12 May 2007 01:19 GMT > ART do you smoke or are you in news journalism? > How do you manage to respond to me anyway? > lol > Do a look up on the city with most asthma One of the highest number of asthmatics per capita is in Phoenix, Arizona. Pollution? CO2? Particulates? The truth may surprise you and show you that statistics are meaningless unless you understand all factors that contribute to them
mcs - 12 May 2007 01:52 GMT I said Philly has been shown with real links to be number one or two in the nation. Now can dust or whatever else cause athma? I asssume so but that doesn't negate the effects of particulate pollution and soot. ( I asssume soot is a new measurement we just acquired also which I thought was the same as particulates). Particulates , at least the measurements I have taken is the deciding measurment that can deduct the differences between people living longer and in better health or not. I am totally convinved of its harm once it reaches moderate levels and I state can be proven ina court of law if scientiests ever compared populations in particulate pollution and those with the least amount. In fact I think they can show for every conceivable category those in moderate or worse particulate pollution do worse... sometimes mUCH Much worse. should kids worry? You better believe it.
>> ART do you smoke or are you in news journalism? >> How do you manage to respond to me anyway? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > that statistics are meaningless unless you understand all factors that > contribute to them miles - 12 May 2007 02:07 GMT > I said Philly has been shown with real links to be number one or two in the > nation. Now can dust or whatever else cause athma? I asssume so but that > doesn't negate the effects of particulate pollution and soot. Particulates are both man made and non man made. You need to seperate the two since your issue is mainly with man caused. Furthermore if you are singling out philly then I would suggest talking in a philly forum. If you are talking about a global problem then you need to read up about Mexico City. The most polluted city in the world.
mcs - 11 May 2007 16:41 GMT Art why don't you join Karen in denial? You never posted about the hundreds of links I left showing concern with peoples health and particulate pollution.The only thing yu worry about is murderers getting out early and Bush. . Philly has so many categories in the negative . and your worried about letting murderers free? How nice of you. Talk about values This city has so many problems and not Karen or You have come up with why we have so many of them? Can you tell me why? Why the high unemployment, why the number of people who need asthma meds? Why the early morbidity? Why the number of drop outs from our schools? Why the low percentage of professionals who stay here? Its amazing but you and Karen worry about me? You guys are in such denial its exactly why sane people avoid Philly... what idiots you are to not see the increased co2. the connection between elements in life, as this is the defining factor in bettering it. The people and states with better air and better schools and better families and less murderers walking around and on average have better societies.. but letting our murderers ho ho ho.. How about we all carry weapons and make sure no cameras are around when you do? What a life ay ?
>> That's nearly 100 years from now. I wouldn't put too much credence >> on it. Even the youngest member of my family, who's just over 2 years [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > It's amazing incidentally that anyone would rely on a 100 year projection > considering how accurate 10 year projections turn out to be. highschoolsweetheart - 11 May 2007 22:14 GMT I still await your answer Art, why you think murderers should be let out of jail sooner?
> Art why don't you join Karen in denial? > You never posted about the hundreds of links I left showing concern with [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >> projection >> considering how accurate 10 year projections turn out to be. miles - 12 May 2007 01:26 GMT > Art why don't you join Karen in denial? > You never posted about the hundreds of links I left showing concern with > peoples health and particulate pollution. You need to educate yourself on the mechanics of our enviroment rather than your uneducated conspiracy theory rhetoric.
Mexico City is about the most polluted city in the world. Yet it has a rather low rate of asthma. Read the following. It might teach you something!!
"We have chosen Mexico City because of the relatively low rates of asthma in the face of prevalent exposures to factors that are thought to increase asthma risk in urban areas in the United States."
http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct/show/NCT00342758;jsessionid=6EA0E9DF71A889F0B78A68C 35F311EC2?order=30
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http://tinyurl.com/2h3bj8
Karen Y Byrd - 14 May 2007 13:36 GMT >This city has so many problems and not Karen or You have come up with why we >have so many of them? Can you tell me why? Why the high unemployment, why >the number of people who need asthma meds? Why the early morbidity? Why the >number of drop outs from our schools? Why the low percentage of >professionals who stay here? So much of what's going on here has directly to do with the, still ongoing, transition from an industrial city(workshop of the world) to the post-industrial/information/service age.
We still have thousands of people in this area who had the generational expectation of working in factories while they never quite figured out that those factories started leaving the area(chasing cheaper labor) nearly 50 years ago.
Karen Y Byrd - 14 May 2007 13:29 GMT >> That's nearly 100 years from now. I wouldn't put too much credence >> on it. Even the youngest member of my family, who's just over 2 years [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >posts, it's a shame the individual in question misses the point constantly >but .......... Well.. yes, I realize that but he needs to be challenged and that why I keep answering him.
>It's amazing incidentally that anyone would rely on a 100 year projection >considering how accurate 10 year projections turn out to be. One very telling thing is how forecasters swore we'd have oodles of major hurricanes in 2006 and it didn't happen. So, you are right, how can anyone sensibly predict what will happen when the 21st century is near its end.
NorthShoreCEO - 14 May 2007 14:06 GMT On Fri, 11 May 2007 09:50:45 -0400, Art Clemons <artclemons@aolSPAM.com> wrote:
>Karen Y Byrd wrote: Well.. yes, I realize that but he needs to be challenged and that why I keep answering him.
With all due respect, mcs needs to be ignored. He's clearly got mental issues and we in the asthma support group are not interested in politics, conspiracty theories, or Philadelphia. The cross-posting is adding to the pollution mcs has created in our asthma support group, and unfortunately, we have our own person trying to challenge him, which is coming across as a debate between dumb and dumber. I wish they would take it to email, as they've hijacked the discussion here.
aroberts - 15 May 2007 02:06 GMT > On Fri, 11 May 2007 09:50:45 -0400, Art Clemons <artclemons@aolSPAM.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > a debate between dumb and dumber. I wish they would take it to email, as > they've hijacked the discussion here. Amen. It's like the senseless theological discussions about how many angels could dance on the point of a needle...
00doc - 15 May 2007 02:25 GMT > Amen. It's like the senseless theological discussions about how many > angels could dance on the point of a needle... 42.
aroberts - 15 May 2007 02:47 GMT >> Amen. It's like the senseless theological discussions about how many >> angels could dance on the point of a needle... > > 42. Now you see? With some severe mental aberrations, you could have extended this into at least 100 more senseless postings. How dare you continue to be normal?
00doc - 16 May 2007 02:14 GMT >>> Amen. It's like the senseless theological discussions about how many >>> angels could dance on the point of a needle... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > this into at least 100 more senseless postings. How dare you continue to > be normal? What do you expect?
I'm just a member of the third most intelligent form of life on Earth.
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mcs - 14 May 2007 19:45 GMT Yes here is a link of a mysterious mayors meeting to curtail things you and your ten friends online think are not important ... or overblown
00doc - 15 May 2007 02:25 GMT > One very telling thing is how forecasters swore we'd have > oodles of major hurricanes in 2006 and it didn't happen. > So, you are right, how can anyone sensibly predict what > will happen when the 21st century is near its end. Actually we did. They just didn't come ashore much. We only pay attention when they make landfall. For instance, in 2005 when we supposedly had "5" hurricanes there actually was something like 24 or 26. It is just that the vast majority never bother us so we don;t bother about them.
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miles - 12 May 2007 01:16 GMT >> - Future eastern United States summers look much hotter than originally >> predicted with daily highs about 10 degrees warmer than in recent years by [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > old might not be alive then, so the people for whom it will matter > aren't, most likely, even born yet. Numerous European scientists came out with a report this year that forcasts global cooling in the next 50 years.
Karen Y Byrd - 14 May 2007 13:38 GMT >>> - Future eastern United States summers look much hotter than originally >>> predicted with daily highs about 10 degrees warmer than in recent years by [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Numerous European scientists came out with a report this year that >forcasts global cooling in the next 50 years. What it proves is the variables, wrt our atmosphere, are so complex that no one really knows what's going on.
mcs - 14 May 2007 19:48 GMT http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070514/sc_afp/environmentussummit_070514160640
Maybe you can get the ten people who say I post too much about this meeting, and to think why we need such a meeting. After all if its all overblown.. our cities air is better then 1956 and thats all that matters to you , at least for the longest time. Of course the Supreme court decision means that we are not doing enough but to you , your sick and tired of hearing about, or sick and tired of me not solving the problem also...now.
>>>> - Future eastern United States summers look much hotter than originally >>>> predicted with daily highs about 10 degrees warmer than in recent years [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > What it proves is the variables, wrt our atmosphere, are so complex > that no one really knows what's going on. miles - 15 May 2007 01:49 GMT > http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070514/sc_afp/environmentussummit_070514160640 > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > we are not doing enough but to you , your sick and tired of hearing about, > or sick and tired of me not solving the problem also...now. Los Angeles used to be the most polluted USA city. It's no longer mostly because of efforts in L.A. The air is considerably cleaner now than it was in decades past.
How many government and political environmental meetings have you attended per year?
miles - 15 May 2007 01:47 GMT > What it proves is the variables, wrt our atmosphere, are so complex > that no one really knows what's going on. Especially since weather patterns change over 100's to 1000's of years and we only have about a 150 years worth of data. Much of that data taken using crude equipment.
There are those that say we've had record numbers of hurricanes. That may or may not be true. In years past the only hurricanes record are those that hit populated areas. We didn't have satellites to see the others that we see now. We just don't know.
00doc - 15 May 2007 02:34 GMT >>Numerous European scientists came out with a report this year that >>forcasts global cooling in the next 50 years. > > What it proves is the variables, wrt our atmosphere, are so complex > that no one really knows what's going on. Scientists argue over how exactly how much warmer and exactly how fast it will happen and exactly how much which activities of man are contributing hw much but the idea that there is active debate in the scientific community about this is a myth put forward by the non-scientists with politcial agendas who wish to cast some doubt.
The cigarette industry learned years ago that if you can't win the argument it is often just as good to just create confusion. The global warming deniers are trying the same tactic with, unfortunately, some success.
So, please, before you tell me about "them" (some ill defined cabal of dissenting scientists) show me the reference to an original study casting doubt on global warming due to the activity of man in a well respected peer reviewed scientific journal.
Please note - the following don't count: - Non-original research in non-well respected peer reviewed journals. - Studies that pertain only to small areas and/or over limited periods of time (I'll admit that some ice sheets are thicker - but not most - and that some places have been cooler for a few years - but not most.). - The current in vogue argument that the warming is due to solar cycles. Solar cycles account for only about 1/20th the effect of man-made CO2.
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miles - 12 May 2007 01:12 GMT > miles you have to answer to your God, and I assure you, your not going to be > happy. > You said people have not claimed we can't do more sooner.. Just do a look up > on search.. its so crazy a statement > You said there was nothing to worry about co2 emissions since its the same, > then why this MILES? I never said nobody claimed such. People make all sorts of claims. I asked YOU to state exactly what is available today that we all can afford. You have failed to do so. The truth is that there is no alternative fuels for cars that is available and affordable today. Hybrids are a stop gap with questionable benefits and not very affordable. Got any other ideas?
mcs - 12 May 2007 01:20 GMT you said co2 is not increasing. Just doing a mild search... didn't even have to search hard I came up with this. Anybody who makes such crazy statement miles is really not credilble. http://www.culturechange.org/global_warming_science.html
>> miles you have to answer to your God, and I assure you, your not going to >> be happy. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > for cars that is available and affordable today. Hybrids are a stop gap > with questionable benefits and not very affordable. Got any other ideas? mcs - 12 May 2007 01:22 GMT pst do a search for : "experts say alternative energy solutions now can stop global warming "
the search engine came up with 48,000 responses. I assume someone in govt can get all those solutions together if they really wanted to, but instead its better to expose them to moderate levels of poison like today.. ah freedom to kill where would be without it?
>> miles you have to answer to your God, and I assure you, your not going to >> be happy. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > for cars that is available and affordable today. Hybrids are a stop gap > with questionable benefits and not very affordable. Got any other ideas? mcs - 12 May 2007 01:46 GMT is this your same amount of CO 2 in the atmosphere?You tell me to post real link OOOOHHHH how challenging. like there are allot of people like you who care anyway? lol
Global Warming Spirals Upwards - Levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere have jumped abruptly, raising fears that global warming may be accelerating out of control. Measurements by US government scientists show that concentrations of the gas, the main cause of the climate exchange, rose by a record amount over the past 12 months. It is the third successive year in which they have increased sharply, marking an unprecedented triennial surge." See The Independent
I bet you , you can find particulate pollution is good for you too.
Global Warming Spirals Upwards - Levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere have jumped abruptly, raising fears that global warming may be accelerating out of control. Measurements by US government scientists show that concentrations of the gas, the main cause of the climate exchange, rose by a record amount over the past 12 months. It is the third successive year in which they have increased sharply, marking an unprecedented triennial surge." See The Independent
>> miles you have to answer to your God, and I assure you, your not going to >> be happy. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > for cars that is available and affordable today. Hybrids are a stop gap > with questionable benefits and not very affordable. Got any other ideas? miles - 12 May 2007 02:03 GMT /> Global Warming Spirals Upwards - Levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere
> have jumped abruptly, raising fears that global warming may be accelerating > out of control. Measurements by US government scientists show that > concentrations of the gas, the main cause of the climate exchange, rose by a > record amount over the past 12 months. It is the third successive year in > which they have increased sharply, marking an unprecedented triennial > surge." See The Independent Now this is funny!!! All generalized, no actual numbers, no references to tests, didn't mention where the tests were conducted (CO2 varies between locations) nor how much 'they' claim it has gone up nor who 'they' is.
Now to help you out. NOAA did state an increase from 2002 to 2003. However, they also mentioned that the rate was inline with normal ups and downs. Furthermore NOAA stated there was no evidence that the increase was man caused from pollution. NOAA stated other natural factors were far greater. Nice try!
mcs - 12 May 2007 02:29 GMT your in so denial
It took me one minute to find this. Here is your readings.. Its incredible someone like you exists. http://www.spacedaily.com/news/climate-04zz.html
> /> Global Warming Spirals Upwards - Levels of carbon dioxide in the > atmosphere [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > was man caused from pollution. NOAA stated other natural factors were far > greater. Nice try! miles - 12 May 2007 05:04 GMT > your in so denial > > It took me one minute to find this. Here is your readings.. > Its incredible someone like you exists. > http://www.spacedaily.com/news/climate-04zz.html And you are clueless and will buy anything from anyone who says what you want to hear. The fact remains that CO2 levels in our atmosphere are unchanged since being recorded. The fact remains that people exhale more CO2 than is caused from pollution.
Tell me what the average atmmospheric CO2 was in the 1930's and what it is now. I'll help you out. It was .04% in the 1930's and .03% now. A drop not an increase. But the conspiracy radicals don't want you to know that.
Pollution is never a good thing and that we agree on.
mcs - 12 May 2007 02:31 GMT An international team of scientists has completed the first comprehensive study of the ocean storage of carbon dioxide derived from human activity, called anthropogenic CO2, based on a decade-long survey of global ocean carbon distributions in the 1990s. The findings, along with those detailed in a companion paper on the impacts of anthropogenic CO2 on the chemistry of the oceans and the potential response of marine animals and plants to changes in CO2 levels, will be published in the July 16 issue of the journal Science.
"About half of the anthropogenic CO2 taken up over the last 200 years can be found in the upper 10 percent of the ocean," said Christopher Sabine, an oceanographer at NOAA's Pacific Marine Environmental Laboratory (PMEL) in Seattle, Wash.
Sabine is the lead author of one of the papers. "The ocean has removed 48 percent of the CO2 we have released to the atmosphere from burning fossil fuels and cement manufacturing."
Over the long-term, the ocean has been the only reservoir on Earth to consistently take up anthropogenic CO2 from the atmosphere. This uptake changes seawater chemistry, and can have significant impacts on the biology of the upper oceans.
The global survey combined carbon and other ocean measurements (such as temperature, salinity, oxygen, nutrients and chlorofluorocarbon tracers) in the Atlantic, Pacific, and Indian Oceans. These oceans have taken up about 118 billion metric tons of anthropogenic CO2 between 1800 and 1994, about a third of their long-term potential.
The researchers, including scientists from the United States, South Korea, Australia, Canada, Japan, Spain, and Germany, reviewed data gathered during the 1990s as part of three major research programs: the National Science Foundation (NSF)-led World Ocean Circulation Experiment (WOCE) and Joint Global Ocean Flux Study (JGOFS); and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)'s Ocean-Atmosphere Carbon Exchange Study (OACES).
The new global data set of ocean carbon system observations, co-sponsored in the United States by NSF, NOAA and the Department of Energy, is unprecedented, say scientists, with 10 times more observations and 10 times better accuracy than the previous global survey in the 1970s.
"This research presents the first complete synthesis of modern global ocean inorganic carbon measurements," said James Yoder, director of NSF's ocean sciences division.
"The results are among the most intriguing yet from the WOCE and JGOFS programs."
"These new measurements, when coupled with how much anthropogenic carbon dioxide is known to accumulate in the atmosphere, show that the ocean and atmosphere are the two primary 'sinks' [holding tanks] of this carbon dioxide since the beginning of the industrial revolution. The land is the 'source.'"
But that ocean "sink" may be changing, the studies conclude. "Feedbacks between the ocean and atmosphere involving air-sea exchange, ocean circulation and ocean biological processes need to be better understood," said Yoder.
Analysis of CO2 levels in ice cores have shown scientists that for the 400,000 years before the industrial revolution began in the 1800s, atmospheric CO2 concentrations remained between 200 and 280 parts per million.
Today CO2 levels are reaching 380 parts per million in the atmosphere.
"If the ocean had not removed 118 billion metric tons of anthropogenic carbon between 1800 and 1994, the CO2 level in the atmosphere would be about 55 parts per million greater than currently observed," said Sabine.
"Because CO2 is an acid gas, the surface ocean pH is dropping," said Richard Feely, a marine chemist at PMEL, and lead author of the companion paper.
If current scenarios are realized, surface ocean pH could drop lower than it has been for more than five million years, he said.
Feely and colleagues describe two major impacts of the oceanic uptake of anthropogenic CO2: They demonstrate that a substantial amount of the calcium carbonate, found in shells of marine animals living in surface waters, dissolves in the upper ocean. They then summarize the available evidence on the response of marine calcifying organisms to elevated CO2.
Feely noted that scientists have seen a reduced ability to produce protective calcium carbonate shells in many species of marine organisms at high CO2 levels, including corals and plankton, drifting plants and animals on which other marine life feeds.
"Based on our present knowledge, it appears that as seawater CO2 levels rise the skeletal growth rates of calcareous plankton will be reduced as a result of the effects of CO2 on calcification," said Victoria Fabry, a biologist at California State University at San Marcos and a paper co-author.
Recent studies have shown that calcification rates can drop by as much as 25 to 45 percent at CO2 levels equivalent to atmospheric concentrations of 700 to 800 parts per million. Those levels will be reached by the end of this century if fossil fuel consumption continues at projected levels.
The scientists note that the dissolving calcium carbonate shells also partially act to neutralize CO2, thus allowing the ocean to take up more carbon dioxide from the atmosphere.
However, the effects of decreased calcification in microscopic algae and animals could alter marine food webs and, combined with other changes in salinity, temperature and nutrients, could substantially alter the diversity and productivity of the oceans.
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> miles you have to answer to your God, and I assure you, your not going to > be [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > Oh Karen, its the same everywhere right? miles - 12 May 2007 05:19 GMT >snipped You dont need to post the rhetoric you found multiple times in a row.
Type CO2 myths into Google and you will find 1,040,000 hits. That should keep you busy learning for awhile! The only evidence you have is computer models. Actual measurements show otherwise. If you want to reduce CO2 then stop breathing as thats where more CO2 comes from than pollution.
mcs - 12 May 2007 12:46 GMT why is it almost every country on earth is trying to find ways to reduce co2 and or greenhouse gas? I think your kind is better left working for GW . or other poison pumpers..
> >snipped > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > models. Actual measurements show otherwise. If you want to reduce CO2 > then stop breathing as thats where more CO2 comes from than pollution. miles - 12 May 2007 14:19 GMT > why is it almost every country on earth is trying to find ways to reduce co2 > and or greenhouse gas? I think your kind is better left working for GW . or > other poison pumpers.. Most other countries are doing no such thing. The Kyoto treaty made no requirements on developing nations and thus most that signed it are doing nothing of the sort. Even Canada who signed it has refused to comply.
You also refuse to understand where this planets CO2 is coming from, how much there was, how much there is etc. You really do not care about specifics. Instead you look for anything that supports your view without reason. I would rather understand the mechanics of our environment and then work to solve the problems. Radical uneducated responses such as yourself do no good at all.
Do you support Al Gore and his gas guzzling cars, huge energy wasteful house and his ability to use his millions to buy himself carbon credits? Now thats the Dems absurd logic. Pollute all you want as long as you have the money to buy the meek off through the absurd logic of pollution credits...that is a liberal invention and thats what you support.
mcs - 12 May 2007 14:37 GMT seems like even BP petro don't agree with you lol, along with around 10 billion people who think global warming is a real issue
http://www.bp.com/sectiongenericarticle.do?categoryId=9005334&contentId=7009881& BPLinkTrace=0504010000
>> why is it almost every country on earth is trying to find ways to reduce >> co2 and or greenhouse gas? I think your kind is better left working for [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > the money to buy the meek off through the absurd logic of pollution > credits...that is a liberal invention and thats what you support. miles - 12 May 2007 16:25 GMT > seems like even BP petro don't agree with you lol, along with around 10 > billion people who think global warming is a real issue > > http://www.bp.com/sectiongenericarticle.do?categoryId=9005334&contentId=7009881& BPLinkTrace=0504010000 Global warming is an issue. However, there is no proof that it is man caused rather than part of a cycle that we know occurs. Also there are numerous scientists who predict global cooling in 50 years. Just depends on what you wish to believe.
The past several years has shown way below average winter temperatures here in the normally hot southwest.
mcs - 12 May 2007 19:38 GMT wait a second you just said the readings of co2 are the same all the time.. seems like after one minute I found that to not be true
>> seems like even BP petro don't agree with you lol, along with around 10 >> billion people who think global warming is a real issue [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > The past several years has shown way below average winter temperatures > here in the normally hot southwest. miles - 12 May 2007 20:40 GMT > wait a second you just said the readings of co2 are the same all the time.. > seems like after one minute I found that to not be true There is no proof that CO2 has increased. Your so called links show no proof. Only indirect theories and computer models were presented. No actual measurements of CO2 itself with numbers given in relation to past measurements of decades ago. Why is that?
mcs - 15 May 2007 01:18 GMT there is not a number in the world your likely to believe lol
>> wait a second you just said the readings of co2 are the same all the >> time.. seems like after one minute I found that to not be true [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > actual measurements of CO2 itself with numbers given in relation to past > measurements of decades ago. Why is that? miles - 15 May 2007 01:53 GMT > there is not a number in the world your likely to believe lol Thats your reason for no CO2 actual measurements showing an increase?? All reports that suggest an increase are simply hypothesis at best. They are extrapolations from other data sources with unproven hypothesis to their link to CO2 in the atmosphere. Furthermore no link has ever been shown to prove any possible CO2 increase is from pollution. It is known that man exhales more CO2 than is produced by pollutants.
Mike Dobony - 01 Jun 2007 15:16 GMT > miles you have to answer to your God, and I assure you, your not going to > be happy. > You said people have not claimed we can't do more sooner.. Just do a look > up on search.. its so crazy a statement > You said there was nothing to worry about co2 emissions since its the > same, then why this MILES? Plants turn CO2 into oxygen. They are healthier with more co2. We need oxygen. we need co2.
> - Future eastern United States summers look much hotter than originally > predicted with daily highs about 10 degrees warmer than in recent years by > the mid-2080s, a new For the last 18 years they have been using satellite thermal readings to measure global warming. Guess what? The tempereature DROPPED 0.1 degree! Also did you know that the temperature goes up and down in a 500 year cycle and that we are starting a new upward cycle? Did you know that the overall temperature, despite this normal upward cycle is decreasing (6,000 year average trend)? Did you know that about 4,000 years ago Alaska was tropical (palm trees found in the permafrost carbon-dated to about 4,000 years)?
> NASA study says. > ADVERTISEMENT [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Oh Karen, its the same everywhere right?
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