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The most challenging places to live for asthma
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mcs - 29 Dec 2006 00:59 GMT http://www.asthmacapitals.com/asthma_capitals2006.pdf
the places that get the most days of particulate pollution usually has the most asthma but not always. there are other reasons . Whats evident is pollution and global warming are making many people like me more sick. Why don't our news media care about these lethal stats more then Rocky running up the steps?
Fred - 02 Jan 2007 06:11 GMT > http://www.asthmacapitals.com/asthma_capitals2006.pdf > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > me more sick. Why don't our news media care about these lethal stats more > then Rocky running up the steps? One of the worst places that I lived in Denver was near Highway I-25. At this place, there was a 6 lane highway. I would go out to run in the morning and would start coughing severly after completing my run - especially in the winter. The problem was the PM-10 particles that were so finely ground up and became airborne. This garbage would lodge in my lungs and would iritate the membranes. I would cough for at least 3 hours after my run and almost drown in the excessive mucus that I was producing in my lungs. We also have a massive forrest fire south of Denver about 3 1/2 years ago. The prevailing winds brough the forrest smoke and soot up to Denver and the suburbs. It was worse than being in an estremly smoky bar. I really got sick from this smoke and could not go outside. In fact, one woman died from the smoke pollution and National Jewish Hospital was overflowing with patients.
mcs - 03 Jan 2007 15:17 GMT Yes fred absolutely. Unfortunately I smoked for ten years, I sold stuff in major highways and came back with black soot on my shirts, been to hospitals where smoking was sort of like very accepted, and when I changed I ran in horrible air days or in streets. The accumulated affects don't dissipate and thats a lesson I pray someone else sees and makes changes faster . Some people I am glad to see get the connection.
>> http://www.asthmacapitals.com/asthma_capitals2006.pdf >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > could not go outside. In fact, one woman died from the smoke pollution > and National Jewish Hospital was overflowing with patients. runcyclexcski@yahoo.com - 03 Jan 2007 20:58 GMT > The accumulated affects don't dissipate and > thats a lesson I pray someone else sees and makes changes faster . I underdstand how personal this is to you, but... can you refer me to the source of the "accumulated effect" infromation? Or is it your own belief (nothing wrong with that, but I am just trying to get to the orinigal studies)?
Regarding the highway pollution - one would expect asthmatics feel worse while driving, if the highway is the primary source of the particles. Measurements are done not above highways directly, but in the viccinity, where the local concentration is probbaly lower. Well, I don't get worse in the car, at least not worse than overall. Same with burning wood. When I go camping I feel better, but being next to the campfire does not make me sick. Unless the wood sold in supermarkets contains some additives.
Fred - 04 Jan 2007 00:03 GMT > > The accumulated affects don't dissipate and > > thats a lesson I pray someone else sees and makes changes faster . [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > campfire does not make me sick. Unless the wood sold in supermarkets > contains some additives. I know that I can't give you a source but I know that there is a certain amount of an allergen that has to build up in my system and then I react. For example, if I get one whiff of cigarette smoke, nothing happens. If I am in a room full of cigarette smoke, the mucus in my nasal cavities and my bronchial tubes absorbs the particulates and when I reach a critical level, I react. at this point, I become inflamed and produce excessive amounts of mucus. If it is continued for weeks and months, I develope sinus and bronchial problems. The same goes for PM-10 highway particles. A little is O.K. More than that, I start reacting, and If I get too much of it, I am inflamed and will start coughing.
runcyclexcski@yahoo.com - 04 Jan 2007 01:17 GMT I was asking about lifetime accumulation (i think this what mcs spoke about). Like you smoking 10 cigarettes over a month would be equivalent to that smoke-filled room.
mcs - 04 Jan 2007 12:23 GMT >> The accumulated affects don't dissipate and >> thats a lesson I pray someone else sees and makes changes faster . [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > belief (nothing wrong with that, but I am just trying to get to the > orinigal studies)? This was told to me by asthma doctor. first one. Its either that or I am dying and this air is first indicator I evetually won't be able to handle any air according to a doctor who wanted to take more exrays. The main part is in clean air I do well. What is your history? Lived in east coast a long time? Born with asthma? Have you been to asthma doctors? On good days for you, notice any differences between pollution levels?
> Regarding the highway pollution - one would expect asthmatics feel > worse while driving, if the highway is the primary source of the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > campfire does not make me sick. Unless the wood sold in supermarkets > contains some additives. I do get worse in car. Unfortunately allot worse in higher particulate days. by the way have you done a lookup between particulate pollution and damages ? Obviously people die faster and get sick faster in high particulate rates. On website of airnow they suggest even in moderate conditions for sensitive not to exert themselves. The problems like right now, means Not to exercise close to 68 percent of the time! Right now the reason I can' t sleep in because of tightness in chest. I must get out of here.
runcyclexcski@yahoo.com - 04 Jan 2007 20:41 GMT > I do get worse in car. Unfortunately allot worse in higher particulate days. > by the way have you done a lookup between particulate pollution and damages [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > close to 68 percent of the time! Right now the reason I can' t sleep in > because of tightness in chest. I must get out of here. I would like to find real-time statistics on ER visits vs air polltion. But these are available as short studies in a partulcar area. Nobody is going to generate real time data on deaths from asthma (they would rather do it for bird flu, e.coli, west nyle, or some b.s. of that sort).
TRN - 05 Jan 2007 18:40 GMT > > I do get worse in car. Unfortunately allot worse in higher particulate days. > > by the way have you done a lookup between particulate pollution and damages [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > rather do it for bird flu, e.coli, west nyle, or some b.s. of that > sort). Well, there have been two smog/asthma studies on Atlanta that I know of. One on the improvement of symptoms during the Olympics when the roads were empty and one about how bad it got this summer. I know when I moved from Atlanta to way outside the city, I was able to go without meds for 2 years.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb4384/is_200108/ai_n15285248
Asthma cases spike with smog Atlanta air quality worst in four years -- "Atlanta Journal Constitution"
Asthma cases spike with smog Atlanta air quality worst in four years By BILL HENDRICK The Atlanta Journal-Constitution Published on: 07/21/06
The smog-shrounded Atlanta area surpassed federal ozone safety standards Thursday for the 22nd time since smog season began May 1. It's the worst air this region's had in four years, aggravating asthma and sending coughing, wheezing, red-eyed sufferers to emergency rooms and doctors' offices.
Grady Memorial Hospital's Denise Simpson said its asthma clinic has seen more than 700 patients since May, more than in recent summers, which were wetter and cooler. As doctors are advising patients to stay indoors rather than risk getting sicker from the air pollution, the patient count is also up at some area allergy and asthma clinics.
Ozone is a key ingredient in smog, which is hazardous for people with respiratory problems, including asthma, emphysema and chronic obstructive pulmonary respiratory disease.
Metro Atlanta is in a weeklong cycle of bad air prompted by a string of 90-plus degree days, said Susan Zimmer-Dauphinee, who manages air monitoring for the Georgia Environmental Protection Division. This week, the region has had two Code Orange days, when sensitive groups need to limit their activities outside, and two Code Red days, when the air is unhealthy for nearly everyone.
A little more than half-way through the smog season, metro Atlanta is on track to have the worst air since 2002 when the region violated the federal Clean Air standard on 37 days. The region this year has already violated the standard on 22 days.
Zimmer-Dauphinee expects more smog alert and excessive ozone days for the rest of the smog season, which runs through Sept. 30, the most likely time for temperatures to get hot enough to cook emissions into ground-level ozone.
"Ozone is part of smog, but only a part," said Zimmer-Dauphinee. "The hazy stuff is ozone. Smog is composed of fine particulates, emitted from car exhausts, industry. But if you have high ozone, you'll have smog."
Meteorologist Matt Sena with the National Weather Service in Peachtree City said conditions haven't been good for people who suffer from respiratory problems. Average temperatures have been up since May and stayed there. Rainfall is down compared to other, "cleaner," years. And winds have been moderate.
"We've had some rain but it's sporadic, heavy for a little while in some areas, but mostly scattered," he said. "Generally, conditions have been conducive to the buildup of smog and ozone." He said tropical storms in recent years brought this area relief from smog and ozone.
Asthma sufferer Sandy Weyers, 45, of Smyrna, said she feels like coughing every time she looks south and sees Atlanta's skyscrapers all but obscured by smog.
"It's nasty," she said. "It looks scary. I wheeze a lot. I have a prescription inhaler and that saves me."
Dr. Gerald Teague, Pulmonologist at Emory University School of Medicine, said Emory's clinics are seeing an increase in patients with respiratory problems. Smog and the fine particles in ozone, he said, enter the lungs' deepest areas, causing inflammation and respiratory distress.
"The combination of carbon and iron is a chemical stressor to the lung," he said. "Oxidative stress is caused by the carbon, iron, metals causing chemical stress, inflammation of individuals with asthma, cystic fibrosis and others with allergies and sensitive lungs and smokers."
Asthma causes thousands of hospitalizations in Georgia each year, 11,000 in 2003, the latest year for which statistics are available.
The illness, which afflicts 212,000 children and 480,000 adults in the state, is far more severe in African-Americans than in other ethnic groups, Teague said.
Atlanta ranks No. 9 on the American Lung Association's "worst 10" list for people with respiratory problems.
"Ozone is clearly going to be worse this year," Teague said. "It's not clear why, but asthma is very prevalent in Atlanta," said Dr. David Tanner, a pulmonary specialist with Atlanta Allergy & Asthma Clinics. "We're having a lot of [patient] walk-ins, and that's part and parcel of heavy ozone. We're hearing a lot more wheezing, coughing, people asking for medications that can help
mcs - 05 Jan 2007 23:52 GMT I think at least you have doctors talking TRUTH, Telling people to stay indoors, in our state the more polluted it gets they say its beautiful day. And they know of the correlations. and totally ignore it. The real conspiracy of our time. Its one thing to acknowledge it and see how we can motivate people to do more its another to describe the reality and at least foster better truths but still not do much, and its another to totally ignore all the truths while people die and suffer. The news media can shape and control societies and if this happens , like I said years ago, what else is controlled? I can tell and write about studies that would show over and over what we already know: that car makers and policy makers and oil producers and industry is the cause of many cancers and heart disease and respiratory illness. I can think of sooo many ways to even narrow, when and how. Its amazing they just don't do them but pretend to worry about errant bumper protection on some cars. What a joke. At least all this is written in history. even if its only the net. When good people do nothing its bound to get worse.
>> > I do get worse in car. Unfortunately allot worse in higher particulate > days. [quoted text clipped - 123 lines] > hearing a lot more wheezing, coughing, people asking for medications that > can help runcyclexcski@yahoo.com - 04 Jan 2007 20:41 GMT >I must get out of here. I am considering Santa Fe.
mcs - 04 Jan 2007 23:27 GMT hey, if you need help I just got a go ahead for housing help cause of my disability. lets rent a home. ( wife and I) On a more serious note
Anyone else who don't have a means for housing and is suffering from asthma contact me, maybe some can recommend cities. Yes there is a list of cities with low particulates but which one and why? I tend to like a bit cooler but hey I will take what I can get.
Mscantpollution@yahoo.com
> >I must get out of here. > > I am considering Santa Fe. runcyclexcski@yahoo.com - 05 Jan 2007 01:18 GMT Check this simulation out. The wind is the major factor there. If it's windy, cranking up all pollution up still stays within healthy limits. Kind of constinstent wth my expeirnece
http://www.smogcity.com/
I found the info on Santa Fe based on a metro area with jobs, but one of the best on this list:
http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=50752
> hey, if you need help I just got a go ahead for housing help cause of my > disability. lets rent a home. ( wife and I) [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > > > I am considering Santa Fe. runcyclexcski@yahoo.com - 05 Jan 2007 01:28 GMT i emailed you, it bounced back.
mcs - 10 Jan 2007 04:21 GMT >i emailed you, it bounced back. hi Try emailing with small m mcsantpollution@yahoo.com
Steve
Melanie - 05 Jan 2007 20:36 GMT Very interesting.
Perhaps this year I will try to find a pollution-free area for vacation. Any ideas?
North Pole?
South Pole?
~Melanie
mcs - 07 Jan 2007 00:59 GMT > Very interesting. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >family. There is chance though where you move to might suddenly become more >polluted because of air changes and more population growth etc.. TRN - 08 Jan 2007 02:28 GMT I thought Alaska, but NOPE, I was told by a resident there that is mold city. You have to know what your triggers are.
runcyclexcski@yahoo.com - 08 Jan 2007 04:30 GMT My best vacation spot is Death Valley, CA. Dry air with no organic matter whatsoever. I get cured there in 3-4 days. Also, remote high altitude locations (above 8000 ft) work great. Same effect. The high-altitude effect has been scientifically documented in a study.
mcs - 10 Jan 2007 04:35 GMT > My best vacation spot is Death Valley, CA. Dry air with no organic > matter whatsoever. I get cured there in 3-4 days. Also, remote high > altitude locations (above 8000 ft) work great. Same effect. The > high-altitude effect has been scientifically documented in a study. its important you find your trigger. In any given city pollutionreadings might fluctuate based on wind directions , mold in home, change of wind direction, number of cars nearby or parked like in shopping center ( how would you like to live near a MCDONALDS or WENDYS drive thru) and amount of polluters nearby including drift from nearby states ( thats one reason Calif is good if you find the good spot) Truthfully i think California is a great spot to be unless the pollution from China takes its toll, then someplace like New Mexico might be better because the land tends to clean when it passes thur long periods of no pollution or population .. There are soo many studies but allot of it is common sense and finding your triggers. We just had four great days of air and i can't see a reason why. Small changes are being made I am assured here with cleaner coal but why so big a difference? Our Senator just wrote me and giving he has cancer he might find what I had to say interesting. Our other Senator who ignored the environment was defeated soundly so maybe Arlen has learned from this This is the first four days I can remember being so clean in a long long time. My body is in shock, I see things outside clear and man can it be great to wake up to this everyday. I am sure though it is short lived. From the years of breathin all this and not knowing the triggers till my body started to react has taken its toll.
ebc - 11 Jan 2007 19:58 GMT I have lived in New Mexico for 45 years. Albuquerque can be very polluted during the winter because of the traffic on the I-25 and I-40 interchange, airport traffic, fireplaces and our trough (valley) which prevents air from dissipating during certain temperature situations. Yesterday and today, we have had a yellow/orange alert (see AIRNOW site for info) and sometimes red alerts (no burn). I have also lived in Santa Fe. SF has dust pollution and is surrounded by grasses, juniper trees and sages which produce massive amounts of pollen frm Feb to Oct. Cost of living is very high in Santa Fe. Silver City has become a favorite for affordable, quality of life and no pollution except potential forest fires which are everywhere in NM. There many other smaller cities in NM you might consider. BCoke
runcyclexcski@yahoo.com - 12 Jan 2007 00:40 GMT > I have lived in New Mexico for 45 years. Albuquerque can be very polluted > during the winter because of the traffic on the I-25 and I-40 interchange, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > pollution except potential forest fires which are everywhere in NM. There > many other smaller cities in NM you might consider. BCoke Great, thanks for the info! Numbers would be needed to compare dust pollution in Santa Fe to San Fran where I live now. Plus... i can't image any place to be more expensive to live than san fran.
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