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mcs - 29 Dec 2006 00:59 GMT
http://www.asthmacapitals.com/asthma_capitals2006.pdf

the places that get the most days of particulate pollution usually has the
most asthma but not always. there are other reasons .
Whats evident is pollution and global warming are making many people like
me more sick. Why don't our news media care about these lethal stats more
then Rocky running up the steps?
Fred - 02 Jan 2007 06:11 GMT
> http://www.asthmacapitals.com/asthma_capitals2006.pdf
>
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> me more sick. Why don't our news media care about these lethal stats more
> then Rocky running up the steps?

One of the worst places that I lived in Denver was near Highway I-25.
At this place, there was a 6 lane highway.  I would go out to run in
the morning and would start coughing severly after completing my run -
especially in the winter.  The problem was the PM-10 particles that
were so finely ground up and became airborne.  This garbage would lodge
in my lungs and would iritate the membranes.  I would cough for at
least 3 hours after my run and almost drown in the excessive mucus that
I was producing in my lungs.  We also have a massive forrest fire south
of Denver about 3 1/2 years ago.  The prevailing winds brough the
forrest smoke and soot up to Denver and the suburbs.  It was worse than
being in an estremly smoky bar.  I really got sick from this smoke and
could not go outside.  In fact, one woman died from the smoke pollution
and National Jewish Hospital was overflowing with patients.
mcs - 03 Jan 2007 15:17 GMT
Yes fred absolutely. Unfortunately I smoked for ten years, I sold stuff in
major highways and came back with black soot on my shirts, been to hospitals
where smoking was sort of like very accepted, and when I changed I ran in
horrible air days or in streets. The accumulated affects don't dissipate and
thats a lesson I pray someone else sees and makes changes faster . Some
people I am glad to see get the connection.

>> http://www.asthmacapitals.com/asthma_capitals2006.pdf
>>
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> could not go outside.  In fact, one woman died from the smoke pollution
> and National Jewish Hospital was overflowing with patients.
runcyclexcski@yahoo.com - 03 Jan 2007 20:58 GMT
> The accumulated affects don't dissipate and
> thats a lesson I pray someone else sees and makes changes faster .

I underdstand how personal this is to  you, but... can you refer me to
the source of the "accumulated effect" infromation? Or is it your own
belief (nothing wrong with that, but I am just trying to get to the
orinigal studies)?

Regarding the highway pollution - one would expect asthmatics feel
worse while driving, if the highway is the primary source of the
particles. Measurements are done not above highways directly, but in
the viccinity, where the local concentration is probbaly lower. Well, I
don't get worse in the car, at least not worse than overall. Same with
burning wood. When I go camping I feel better, but being next to the
campfire does not make me sick. Unless the wood sold in supermarkets
contains some additives.
Fred - 04 Jan 2007 00:03 GMT
> > The accumulated affects don't dissipate and
> > thats a lesson I pray someone else sees and makes changes faster .
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> campfire does not make me sick. Unless the wood sold in supermarkets
> contains some additives.

I know that I can't give you a source but I know that there is a
certain amount of an allergen that has to build up in my system and
then I react.  For example, if I get one whiff of cigarette smoke,
nothing happens.  If I am in a room full of cigarette smoke, the mucus
in my nasal cavities and my bronchial tubes absorbs the particulates
and when I reach a critical level, I react.  at this point, I become
inflamed and produce excessive amounts of mucus.  If it is continued
for weeks and months, I develope sinus and bronchial problems.  The
same goes for PM-10 highway particles.  A little is O.K.  More than
that, I start reacting, and If I get too much of it, I am inflamed and
will start coughing.
runcyclexcski@yahoo.com - 04 Jan 2007 01:17 GMT
I was asking about lifetime accumulation (i think this what mcs spoke
about).  Like you smoking 10 cigarettes over a month  would be
equivalent to that smoke-filled room.
mcs - 04 Jan 2007 12:23 GMT
>> The accumulated affects don't dissipate and
>> thats a lesson I pray someone else sees and makes changes faster .
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> belief (nothing wrong with that, but I am just trying to get to the
> orinigal studies)?

This was told to me by asthma doctor. first one.
Its either that or I am dying and this air is first indicator I evetually
won't be able to handle any air according to a doctor who wanted to take
more exrays. The main part is in clean air I do well. What is your history?
Lived in east coast a  long time? Born with asthma?
Have you been to asthma doctors?
On good days for you, notice any differences between pollution levels?

> Regarding the highway pollution - one would expect asthmatics feel
> worse while driving, if the highway is the primary source of the
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> campfire does not make me sick. Unless the wood sold in supermarkets
> contains some additives.

I do get worse in car. Unfortunately allot worse in higher particulate days.
by the way have you done a lookup between particulate pollution and damages
? Obviously people die faster and get sick faster in high particulate rates.
On website of airnow they suggest even in moderate conditions for sensitive
not to exert themselves. The problems like right now, means Not to exercise
close to 68 percent of the time! Right now the reason I can' t sleep in
because of tightness in chest. I must get out of here.
runcyclexcski@yahoo.com - 04 Jan 2007 20:41 GMT
> I do get worse in car. Unfortunately allot worse in higher particulate days.
> by the way have you done a lookup between particulate pollution and damages
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> close to 68 percent of the time! Right now the reason I can' t sleep in
> because of tightness in chest. I must get out of here.

I would like to find real-time statistics on ER visits vs air polltion.
But these are available as short studies in a partulcar area. Nobody is
going to generate real time data on deaths from asthma (they would
rather do it for bird flu, e.coli, west nyle, or some b.s. of that
sort).
TRN - 05 Jan 2007 18:40 GMT
> > I do get worse in car. Unfortunately allot worse in higher particulate days.
> > by the way have you done a lookup between particulate pollution and damages
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> rather do it for bird flu, e.coli, west nyle, or some b.s. of that
> sort).

Well, there have been two smog/asthma studies on Atlanta that I know of. One
on the improvement of symptoms during the Olympics when the roads were empty
and one about how bad it got this summer. I know when I moved from Atlanta
to way outside the city, I was able to go without meds for 2 years.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb4384/is_200108/ai_n15285248

Asthma cases spike with smog Atlanta air quality worst in four years --
"Atlanta Journal Constitution"

Asthma cases spike with smog  Atlanta air quality worst in four years
By BILL HENDRICK
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution  Published on: 07/21/06

The smog-shrounded Atlanta area surpassed federal ozone safety standards
Thursday for the 22nd time since smog season began May 1. It's the worst air
this region's had in four years, aggravating asthma and sending coughing,
wheezing, red-eyed sufferers to emergency rooms and doctors' offices.

Grady Memorial Hospital's Denise Simpson said its asthma clinic has seen
more than 700 patients since May, more than in recent summers, which were
wetter and cooler. As doctors are advising patients to stay indoors rather
than risk getting sicker from the air pollution, the patient count is also
up at some area allergy and asthma clinics.

Ozone is a key ingredient in smog, which is hazardous for people with
respiratory problems, including asthma, emphysema and chronic obstructive
pulmonary respiratory disease.

Metro Atlanta is in a weeklong cycle of bad air prompted by a string of
90-plus degree days, said Susan Zimmer-Dauphinee, who manages air monitoring
for the Georgia Environmental Protection Division. This week, the region has
had two Code Orange days, when sensitive groups need to limit their
activities outside, and two Code Red days, when the air is unhealthy for
nearly everyone.

A little more than half-way through the smog season, metro Atlanta is on
track to have the worst air since 2002 when the region violated the federal
Clean Air standard on 37 days. The region this year has already violated the
standard on 22 days.

Zimmer-Dauphinee expects more smog alert and excessive ozone days for the
rest of the smog season, which runs through Sept. 30, the most likely time
for temperatures to get hot enough to cook emissions into ground-level
ozone.

"Ozone is part of smog, but only a part," said Zimmer-Dauphinee. "The hazy
stuff is ozone. Smog is composed of fine particulates, emitted from car
exhausts, industry. But if you have high ozone, you'll have smog."

Meteorologist Matt Sena with the National Weather Service in Peachtree City
said conditions haven't been good for people who suffer from respiratory
problems. Average temperatures have been up since May and stayed there.
Rainfall is down compared to other, "cleaner," years. And winds have been
moderate.

"We've had some rain but it's sporadic, heavy for a little while in some
areas, but mostly scattered," he said. "Generally, conditions have been
conducive to the buildup of smog and ozone." He said tropical storms in
recent years brought this area relief from smog and ozone.

Asthma sufferer Sandy Weyers, 45, of Smyrna, said she feels like coughing
every time she looks south and sees Atlanta's skyscrapers all but obscured
by smog.

"It's nasty," she said. "It looks scary. I wheeze a lot. I have a
prescription inhaler and that saves me."

Dr. Gerald Teague, Pulmonologist at Emory University School of Medicine,
said Emory's clinics are seeing an increase in patients with respiratory
problems. Smog and the fine particles in ozone, he said, enter the lungs'
deepest areas, causing inflammation and respiratory distress.

"The combination of carbon and iron is a chemical stressor to the lung," he
said. "Oxidative stress is caused by the carbon, iron, metals causing
chemical stress, inflammation of individuals with asthma, cystic fibrosis
and others with allergies and sensitive lungs and smokers."

Asthma causes thousands of hospitalizations in Georgia each year, 11,000 in
2003, the latest year for which statistics are available.

The illness, which afflicts 212,000 children and 480,000 adults in the
state, is far more severe in African-Americans than in other ethnic groups,
Teague said.

Atlanta ranks No. 9 on the American Lung Association's "worst 10" list for
people with respiratory problems.

"Ozone is clearly going to be worse this year," Teague said. "It's not clear
why, but asthma is very prevalent in Atlanta," said Dr. David Tanner, a
pulmonary specialist with Atlanta Allergy & Asthma Clinics. "We're having a
lot of [patient] walk-ins, and that's part and parcel of heavy ozone. We're
hearing a lot more wheezing, coughing, people asking for medications that
can help
mcs - 05 Jan 2007 23:52 GMT
I think at least you have doctors talking TRUTH, Telling people to stay
indoors, in our state the more polluted it gets they say its beautiful day.
And they know of the correlations. and totally ignore it. The real
conspiracy of our time. Its one thing to acknowledge it and see how we can
motivate people to do more its another to describe the reality and at least
foster better truths but still not do much, and its another to totally
ignore all the truths while people die and suffer. The news media can shape
and control societies and if this happens , like I said years ago, what else
is controlled?
I can tell and write about studies that would show over and over what we
already know: that car makers and policy makers and oil producers and
industry is the cause of many cancers and heart disease and respiratory
illness. I can think of sooo many ways to even narrow, when and how. Its
amazing they just don't do them but pretend to worry about errant bumper
protection on some cars. What a joke. At least all this is written in
history.
even if its only the net. When good people do nothing its bound to get
worse.

>> > I do get worse in car. Unfortunately allot worse in higher particulate
> days.
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> hearing a lot more wheezing, coughing, people asking for medications that
> can help
runcyclexcski@yahoo.com - 04 Jan 2007 20:41 GMT
>I must get out of here.

I am considering Santa Fe.
mcs - 04 Jan 2007 23:27 GMT
hey, if you need help I just got a go ahead for housing help cause of my
disability. lets rent a home. ( wife and I)
On a more serious note

Anyone else who don't have a means for housing and is suffering from asthma
contact me, maybe some can recommend cities. Yes there is a list of cities
with low particulates but which one and why? I tend to like a bit cooler but
hey I will take what I can get.

Mscantpollution@yahoo.com

> >I must get out of here.
>
> I am considering Santa Fe.
runcyclexcski@yahoo.com - 05 Jan 2007 01:18 GMT
Check this simulation out. The wind is the major factor there. If it's
windy, cranking up all pollution up still stays within healthy limits.
Kind of constinstent wth my expeirnece

http://www.smogcity.com/

I found the info on Santa Fe based on a metro area with jobs, but one
of the best on this list:

http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=50752

> hey, if you need help I just got a go ahead for housing help cause of my
> disability. lets rent a home. ( wife and I)
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> >
> > I am considering Santa Fe.
runcyclexcski@yahoo.com - 05 Jan 2007 01:28 GMT
i emailed you, it bounced back.
mcs - 10 Jan 2007 04:21 GMT
>i emailed you, it bounced back.

hi
Try emailing with small m
mcsantpollution@yahoo.com

Steve
Melanie - 05 Jan 2007 20:36 GMT
Very interesting.

Perhaps this year I will try to find a pollution-free area for
vacation. Any ideas?

North Pole?

South Pole?

~Melanie
mcs - 07 Jan 2007 00:59 GMT
> Very interesting.
>
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>family. There is chance though where you move to might suddenly become more
>polluted because of air changes and more population growth etc..
TRN - 08 Jan 2007 02:28 GMT
I thought Alaska, but NOPE, I was told by a resident there that is mold
city. You have to know what your triggers are.
runcyclexcski@yahoo.com - 08 Jan 2007 04:30 GMT
My best vacation spot is Death Valley, CA. Dry air with no organic
matter whatsoever. I get cured there in 3-4 days. Also, remote high
altitude locations (above 8000 ft) work great. Same effect. The
high-altitude effect has been scientifically documented in a study.
mcs - 10 Jan 2007 04:35 GMT
> My best vacation spot is Death Valley, CA. Dry air with no organic
> matter whatsoever. I get cured there in 3-4 days. Also, remote high
> altitude locations (above 8000 ft) work great. Same effect. The
> high-altitude effect has been scientifically documented in a study.

its important you find your trigger. In any given city pollutionreadings
might fluctuate based on wind directions , mold in home, change of wind
direction, number of cars nearby  or parked like in shopping center ( how
would you like to live near a MCDONALDS or WENDYS drive thru) and amount of
polluters nearby including drift from nearby states ( thats one reason Calif
is good if you find the good spot) Truthfully i think California is a great
spot to be unless the pollution from China takes its toll, then someplace
like New Mexico might be better because the land tends to clean when it
passes thur long periods of no pollution or population .. There are soo many
studies but allot of it is common sense and finding your triggers.
 We just had four great days of air and i can't see a reason why. Small
changes are being made I am assured here with cleaner coal but why so big a
difference? Our Senator just wrote me and giving he has cancer he might find
what I had to say interesting. Our other Senator who ignored the environment
was defeated soundly so maybe Arlen has learned from this
This is the first four days I can remember being so clean in a long long
time. My body is in shock, I see things outside clear and man can it be
great to wake up to this everyday. I am sure though it is short lived. From
the years of breathin all this and not knowing the triggers till my body
started to react has taken its toll.
ebc - 11 Jan 2007 19:58 GMT
I have lived in New Mexico for 45 years. Albuquerque can be very polluted
during the winter because of the traffic on the I-25 and I-40 interchange,
airport traffic, fireplaces and our trough (valley) which prevents air from
dissipating during certain temperature situations. Yesterday and today, we
have had a yellow/orange alert (see AIRNOW site for info) and sometimes
red alerts (no burn). I have also lived in Santa Fe. SF has dust pollution
and is surrounded by grasses, juniper trees and sages which produce massive
amounts of pollen frm Feb to Oct. Cost of living is very high in Santa Fe.
Silver City has become a favorite for affordable, quality of life and no
pollution except potential forest fires which are everywhere in NM. There
many other smaller cities in NM you might consider. BCoke
runcyclexcski@yahoo.com - 12 Jan 2007 00:40 GMT
> I have lived in New Mexico for 45 years. Albuquerque can be very polluted
> during the winter because of the traffic on the I-25 and I-40 interchange,
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> pollution except potential forest fires which are everywhere in NM. There
> many other smaller cities in NM you might consider. BCoke

Great, thanks for the info! Numbers would be needed to compare dust
pollution in Santa Fe to San Fran where I live now. Plus... i can't
image any place to be more expensive to live than san fran.
 
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