>> another bad air day  for the week  and year  in many areas of Ne for you
>> your family
>> so
>> polluters and republicans stay rich and happy while your families lose
>> years of life and health. It seems in some places we are getting over 170
>> days out of the good air zone. thats 3/4 more bad air days then Bush will
>> ever see in one year, then most people will ever see in Hawaii in ten
>> years, and will promote much more diseases for people in those areas
>> closest downwind from pollution then those who don't get it. But heck
>> paying for gas thru the nose, paying for utilities, paying for medication
>> to treat you after they poison you is a full time thing for people who
>> have to work just so they can give energy companies and car companies and
>> oil everything they got. >and there doesn't seem to be any responsibility
>> to use all that money to make it safer faster or just plain safe.
>> More and more days without good air, keeps increasing  in ne and se and
>> people aging
>> faster here, more asthma and heart disease then average and not much is
>> done except to say the  HEAD of epa has found the sweet point in complete
>> disagreement almost with his own agencies experts?   Just another day
>> at the office for republicans, pollutters and for many others..... out of
>> the good zone of quality of air.
>> , which in  my calculations keeps increasing, as
>> they warn the sensitive
>> to not exercise  and my lungs automatically constrict  and  asthma meds
>> are near the top prescribed med in our area. Then they say our youth is
>> not getting enough exercise.One
>> in five kids in our area has asthma (some areas)
>> Moderate is the zone that is killing people some claim  and there are
>> links
>> too , and warnings  on some sites and where
>> people get sick (really) and they call it
>> moderate And This Johnson head of the agency that protects us thinks is
>> the sweet point?  Can a head decision makers in  A congress mandated
>> program be sabotaging our health for the sake of oil and polluters?  When
>> 22 experts under him from the epa say we need more rules not less the
>> answer is yes, and this becomes a faucet to allow more Americans to
>> suffer
>> and get diseases and those experts think we don't  have enough things in
>> place I
>> believe to make those changes now not 20 years from now..  We are getting
>> over 175 days of that
>>  or this poison in my area this year,
>> how are kids suppose to exercise.if many can't or not suppose to or its
>> really not healthy to do so, and EPA head Johnson
>> protecting
>> oil and polluters appointed by Bushi s helping to murder people (johnson)
>> down wind in cities like this
>> much more then terror has done Many people are getting huge doses of this
>> and the tests can prove it its hurting people NOW WHAT?  ,I admit  many
>> are not but govt should warn those that
>> are if they are going to poison them and be this diversity between people
>> who are affected and people who aren't or a beter idea is make companies
>> responsible to make their exhausts cleaner in those areas! Not ingore it
>> for crying out loud..
> .Its going on now. While Bush family lives in
>> kennebunkport which in case anyone cares is  conveniently located  in
>> great
>> air . The best and brightest know where to live the poor and minorities
>> and people who can't move will just now lose years of life on top of
>> paying more for energy in the way of gasonline and utility bills and
>> medication then anything else combined and for this they are poisoned....
>> What a racket.  I do
>> happen to like Bush sr by the way up there in Maine but he doesn't care
>> one iota of what others have to go thru , just plays golf . Whether you
>> like
>> the Bushs personally or not they are often salesmen for people that are
>> harming me and others in the US and much more can be done and its not .
>> Bush
>> is a salesman for poison pumpers . All we ask is for safe standards that
>> are
>> doable! or at least protecting all americans equally.
>>
>>>> First off I think its important to state I love my country and I hope I
>>>> can
>>>> contribute in  making it better without people thinking I am unfairly
>>>> complaining for the sake of complaining.cause I really believe what I
>>>> write
>>>> is important and true. I am sorry I have to offend some people but tis
>>>> obvious, this is , or might be the difference between life and death
>>>> and
>>>> right
>>>> and wrong.
>>>>> not maybe, absolutely.  The companies who pump this stuff know of the
>>>>> dangers from their pollution, the govt
>>>>> knows it, the only people who don't want you to know it is the news
>>>>> media
>>>>> ,
>>>>> the polluters, the President,
>>>>> and Supreme Court and some in Congress who ignore all obvious links to
>>>>> the damage.to support the richest companies at the expense of families
>>>>> and countless lives. How is this fair or right or good for a free
>>>>> society ? You figure this out, I don't know why pollution is affecting
>>>>> so many and me more now  or whether global
>>>>> warming is making it worse ( probable), all I know its happening and
>>>>> its
>>>>> adding to wrong links by govt not caring to do more . Our govt. says
>>>>> others are doing  the wrong thing  for their when they allie with
>>>>> terrorists .We are setting wrong models too ,when  the lines are
>>>>> crossed
>>>>> between safety and sanity  I say the links to
>>>>> pollution and ill health or worse : lower longevity
>>>>> for
>>>>> families that are closest to the pollution are provable without one
>>>>> iota
>>>>> of
>>>>> doubt.Just because allot of pollution maynot be affecting you , don't
>>>>> mean its not happening to others.
>>> Here is a conversation I had with someone in a newsgroup
>>>
>>> They can mandate better fuel effecincy
>>>>
>>>> They have done this on a phased in basis.  The only way to make huge
>>>> gains
>>>> in technology is if the consumer funds it by buying it.  No other way
>>>> can
>>>> generate the cash needed for significant large scale improvements.
>>> No other way? The hope ws that the gov would increase the mandatory
>>> miles
>>> per gallon all future cars needed to have I  think .
>>>
>>>>> better mix of corn or ethanol
>>>>
>>>> New cars are already mandated to be compatible with such fuels.
>>>> However,
>>>> very few gas stations carry it.  Again, it has to be consumer driven to
>>>> get stations to want to install it.  If its mandated and consumers
>>>> won't
>>>> pay it guess what happens?
>>>
>>> . Its mixed in already? Whats the problem?  What consumers have
>>> objected?
>>> Now its possible the costs might have  rises since this alternative has
>>> become
>>> available and gas prices has fallen, but perhaps this is why gas prices
>>> have
>>> fallen. Two good reasons to keep adding this to the fuel.: Cleaner
>>> burning
>>> and
>>>  lower prices, a no brainer.
>>> They just need to mix more of it..
>>>
>>>>>, faster clean up of  smoke stack pollution standards
>>>>
>>>> Already mandated in a phased in plan.  So I assume you want that
>>>> phasing
>>>> sped up.  How much does your plan cost?
>>> Do you know how much pollution costs in lost productivity and ill health
>>> in  peoples lives?
>>> Seriously, if we are not being told of the consequences or the levels of
>>> pollution, I
>>> don't think you can know of the true costs  and effects pollution has on
>>> people in lost
>>> health and productivity .  This is where progressive governments differ
>>> then
>>> ours and its because the people in charge often  has a mindset of  doing
>>> more for alternaties and not defaulting with the status quo with oil
>>> paying
>>> for campaigns over  lives of its people. Just because it may not affect
>>> you
>>> now or yet don't mean its not affecting others big time like me or
>>> others.
>>> .
>>> Global warming is a huge issue around the world and again the people in
>>> the Bush
>>> administration don't want to do its part in even accepting part of Kyoto
>>> treaty . As the true costs of this one sided reliance on oil and
>>> production
>>> companies take its toll, people will die and other countries will make
>>> changes faster. . T he cost  in cleaning up our environment  now, is
>>> minimal
>>> compared to lost productivity but to be honest if we are fighting to
>>> stop
>>> terror, trying to protect our people from lost longevity and illness
>>> from
>>> pollution when
>>> experts say its possible, should at least be just as important..Like I
>>> said
>>> the overall effects from this toxic poisoning is clearly not evident  or
>>> being told , to the
>>> public and many people don't have the time to wait for ever increasing
>>> lethal associations and studies to sure to come. , but from the way all
>>> the damages are NOT neatly put
>>> together and packaged like our concerns with  someone in office having
>>> sex
>>> or  bad spinanch or even smoking, one wonders why not the same concern
>>> for
>>> this important happening. I can tell you what they are hiding, our
>>> dependence on this is
>>> without any doubt causing tens of thousands of deaths and illness that
>>> would
>>> make all terror look like a picnic. . Almost whatever  costs  to clean
>>> up
>>> pollution now and in the future is a win win scenario down the line. The
>>> problem is you don't want to promote the tests to find out how much is
>>> being
>>> lost do you now? . The potential or real loss in productivity and value
>>> for
>>> years of life is huge  compared to  the / value energy companies save in
>>> doing it piece meal slowly . I thought the govt was here to protect its
>>> citizens not poison them and protect the people who paid for their
>>> campaigns! In my mind this is one reason why the poor can't make the
>>> proper
>>> choices, why people do the wrong things, because we don't have a govt
>>> that
>>> sponsers the right values. ....the money now to clean the smoke
>>> stacks.faster is money used for the right things.  . The problem is they
>>> are
>>> hiding the damages, the studies have not been made to show why cleaning
>>> up
>>> the stacks are important,  and govt incredibly enough knows about it but
>>> does not want to do more. For many govts around the world theydon't have
>>> the
>>> impetus or money to sponser alternatives faster but we do. Some of the
>>> smartest people in the world has said we are killing the planet. If the
>>> studies were made to show the true consequences and people were told
>>> they
>>> were dying years if not decades sooner because of this poison there
>>> would
>>> be
>>> more emphasis in trying to eradicate the causes faster because afterall
>>> we
>>> are the richest or one of the richest nations on earth. We can send
>>> people
>>> in billion dollar space stations but allow the slaughter of its people
>>> because energy companies fuel the people in powers campaign .. A crime
>>> of
>>> mass proportion and like Terrorism , they will have to answer to this
>>> someday...because when we do the wrong things it connects to doing the
>>> wrong
>>> things in other ways. Finally I am not an expert in indentifying how we
>>> are
>>> suppose to deal with global warming but it doesn't take a brain
>>> scientists
>>> if you had to breathe this air everyday ) to know someone should
>>> immediately
>>> do more to stop the poisoning of its people that these toxics are most
>>> assuredly doing.To do otherwise is allowing holocausts to go on thats
>>> how
>>> sure I am of the damages and consequences...
>>>
>>> If the studies don't
>>>>> conclusively prove it  now, it can be proved. Anyone want to see my
>>>>> accumulated soot and black soot accumulated via a furnance filter from
>>>>> only
>>>>> 25 days of living in moderate
>>>>> amounts of particulates/.I dare anyone to compare our peoples overall
>>>>> health
>>>>> to those in clean  areas who ate the same things.Its like living in
>>>>> two
>>>>> different centuries, one with more health and optimism and the other
>>>>> mean,
>>>>> dependent on medications and hospitals, crime cyniscim  and ill
>>>>> health.
>>>>> But
>>>>> its the  condition of health between the two different peoples, that
>>>>> would
>>>>> show
>>>>> that polluters and govt policy is allowing the  murdering of families
>>>>> or
>>>>> cutting short their lives or health and  nothing  is being done to
>>>>> protect
>>>>> them equally!
>>>>> I
>>>>> can think of ten more tests to prove it.,\
>>>>> Please send my following opinion and links to real facts to your
>>>>> Congressman
>>>>> and ask how the greatest country in the world can get away with
>>>>> poisoning
>>>>> inner city youth and millions of people without a thing done to
>>>>> protect
>>>>> them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it possible?
>>>>> Mr. Bush get a clue, side with safety , not poisoning people.
>>>>> Coming back from , Boston or New York I am often taken back and my
>>>>> lungs
>>>>> constrict as I head
>>>>> to Philly yet no one cares. This is totally involuntary reflex due the
>>>>> poisons. Can you imagine families having to put up with this for
>>>>> decades
>>>>> and
>>>>> it affects another area of their body , one not so obvious?
>>>>> Ok? Now you or anyone tell me why this isn't the most important things
>>>>> in
>>>>> people lives right now... MASS MURDER by oil , coal and car companies
>>>>> and
>>>>> who will ever compensate those that will lose their health and lives
>>>>> and
>>>>> fiances to it? There are many many ways to prove all this beyond the
>>>>> few
>>>>> studies on web and epa findings and American Lung Associations ratings
>>>>> of
>>>>> F.
>>>>> Where are the attorneys? Why isn't more being done. What I do hear is
>>>>> its
>>>>> not as bad as it once was, and its a beautiful day , and 23 different
>>>>> medications to treat sleep disorders and asthma and allergy after they
>>>>> poison you .We get commercials for inhalers and oxygen and not a worry
>>>>> in
>>>>> the
>>>>> world why people age and die faster in these polluted hell holes ..
>>>>> <info@economicdemocracy.org> wrote in message
>>>>> news:1158681407.782351.246170@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> The denial industry
>>>>>
>>>>> For years, a network of fake citizens' groups and bogus scientific
>>>>> bodies has been claiming that science of global warming is
>>>>> inconclusive. They set back action on climate change by a decade. But
>>>>> who funded them? Exxon's involvement is well known, but not the
>>>>> strange
>>>>> role of Big Tobacco. In the first of three extracts from his new book,
>>>>> George Monbiot tells a bizarre and shocking new story
>>>>>
>>>>> Tuesday September 19, 2006
>>>>> The Guardian
>>>>>
>>>>> Exxon station in California
>>>>> 'The impacts of the climate-change deniers sponsored by Exxon have
>>>>> been
>>>>> felt all over the world.' Photograph: AP
>>>>>
>>>>> ExxonMobil is the world's most profitable corporation. Its sales now
>>>>> amount to more than $1bn a day. It makes most of this money from oil,
>>>>> and has more to lose than any other company from efforts to tackle
>>>>> climate change. To safeguard its profits, ExxonMobil needs to sow
>>>>> doubt
>>>>> about whether serious action needs to be taken on climate change. But
>>>>> there are difficulties: it must confront a scientific consensus as
>>>>> strong as that which maintains that smoking causes lung cancer or that
>>>>> HIV causes Aids. So what's its strategy?
>>>>>
>>>>> Article continues
>>>>> The website Exxonsecrets.org, using data found in the company's
>>>>> official documents, lists 124 organisations that have taken money from
>>>>> the company or work closely with those that have. These organisations
>>>>> take a consistent line on climate change: that the science is
>>>>> contradictory, the scientists are split, environmentalists are
>>>>> charlatans, liars or lunatics, and if governments took action to
>>>>> prevent global warming, they would be endangering the global economy
>>>>> for no good reason. The findings these organisations dislike are
>>>>> labelled "junk science". The findings they welcome are labelled "sound
>>>>> science".
>>>>>
>>>>> Among the organisations that have been funded by Exxon are such
>>>>> well-known websites and lobby groups as TechCentralStation, the Cato
>>>>> Institute and the Heritage Foundation. Some of those on the list have
>>>>> names that make them look like grassroots citizens' organisations or
>>>>> academic bodies: the Centre for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global
>>>>> Change, for example. One or two of them, such as the Congress of
>>>>> Racial
>>>>> Equality, are citizens' organisations or academic bodies, but the line
>>>>> they take on climate change is very much like that of the other
>>>>> sponsored groups. While all these groups are based in America, their
>>>>> publications are read and cited, and their staff are interviewed and
>>>>> quoted, all over the world.
>>>>>
>>>>> By funding a large number of organisations, Exxon helps to create the
>>>>> impression that doubt about climate change is widespread. For those
>>>>> who
>>>>> do not understand that scientific findings cannot be trusted if they
>>>>> have not appeared in peer-reviewed journals, the names of these
>>>>> institutes help to suggest that serious researchers are challenging
>>>>> the
>>>>> consensus.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is not to claim that all the science these groups champion is
>>>>> bogus. On the whole, they use selection, not invention. They will find
>>>>> one contradictory study - such as the discovery of tropospheric
>>>>> cooling, which, in a garbled form, has been used by Peter Hitchens in
>>>>> the Mail on Sunday - and promote it relentlessly. They will continue
>>>>> to
>>>>> do so long after it has been disproved by further work. So, for
>>>>> example, John Christy, the author of the troposphere paper, admitted
>>>>> in
>>>>> August 2005 that his figures were incorrect, yet his initial findings
>>>>> are still being circulated and championed by many of these groups, as
>>>>> a
>>>>> quick internet search will show you.
>>>>>
>>>>> But they do not stop there. The chairman of a group called the Science
>>>>> and Environmental Policy Project is Frederick Seitz. Seitz is a
>>>>> physicist who in the 1960s was president of the US National Academy of
>>>>> Sciences. In 1998, he wrote a document, known as the Oregon Petition,
>>>>> which has been cited by almost every journalist who claims that
>>>>> climate
>>>>> change is a myth.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mass poisoning of people makes 9/11 look like a picnic and Bush is
>>>>>> one
>>>>>> link or cause
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> it. We can do moe now, we don't have to pretend we don't know of the
>>>>>> damage.Some people cared like Christie Whitman and Al Gore and others
>>>>>> looked away and even promoted this murder policy that is going on.
>>>>>> Its
>>>>>> the point that we know all this, can do more and still don't
>>>>>> that really gets to me on top of the physical discomfort of being
>>>>>> choked
>>>>>> with asthma only on these days and those days are numerous.
>>>>>> I live it every year in this helll hole. Where over 100 days so far
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> air
>>>>>> out of the good zone. Where my lungs constrict,. where peoples
>>>>>> atttiudes
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> rotten, where drinking and drugging might be appropriate response to
>>>>>> being
>>>>>> poisoned, many are jobless and mean spirited  then they tell you
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> our
>>>>>> crime rate that keeps increasing, but no links to pollution! We
>>>>>> are being poisoned. If your not affected and many aren't , please
>>>>>> realize
>>>>>> many others are.  So many things are affected negatively and the best
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> brightest in news and politicians ignore it. They rather talk about
>>>>>> Iraq.
>>>>>> Let me tell you something this poisoning makes Iraq and 9/11 look
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> picnic and its because of the oil, and energy lobby and car
>>>>>> companies.
>>>>>> They
>>>>>> all are going about telling you of changes but chances are for too
>>>>>> many
>>>>>> people it will be too late....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Of course they are. Pollution is by definition poison. That's the
>>>>>>>>>>problem
>>>>>>> with pollution, it poisons people. DUH!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes but how many people think pollution might have caused their
>>>>>>> relatives
>>>>>>> death? Affected their life span ?  Chances are not many and chances
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> ,
>>>>>>> at least in my town, they should assume that. So many days the air
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> horrific here and not a thing said or done. I have been in other
>>>>>>> places
>>>>>>> with clean air and its like living in two different centuries
>>>>>>> almost.
>>>>>>> Attitudes, crime,  health and total costs for health are or might be
>>>>>>> different.But most important the actual lives of peoples health are
>>>>>>> different and many ways to prove it. SSssssssssssoooo many people
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> losing their life and age and health to pollution and built up of
>>>>>>> gasses
>>>>>>> compared to others its almost unbelievable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have a street around here called Street Road and come rush hour
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> life a ten mile polluted town akin probably to most polluted places
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> Asia.
>>>>>> All one might have to do is see how the people who work on this
>>>>>> street
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> been affected compared to those in clean air to know what kind of
>>>>>> poison
>>>>>> people are getting. Not all poisons are equally venomous.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe you or your friends are old looking and your friend didn't die
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> old age, they died
>>>>>> earlier because of wrongrace, or where you lived and died because
>>>>>> Bush
>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>> care one iota for your health , and in fact can be argued is
>>>>>> contributing
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> you and your families ill health and death...I can argue the
>>>>>> democrats
>>>>>> didn't care either but we know more now, anyone can add up the
>>>>>> objective
>>>>>> data. Anyone can add up the number of prescription for asthma meds
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> compare the stats by area. Anyone can compare the state of health
>>>>>> between
>>>>>> people who live in polluted areas and those that don't. The studies
>>>>>> so
>>>>>> far
>>>>>> are dim for the people in the NE being poisoned. Everyone should be
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> some kind of disability if I am any example of how this toxic air
>>>>>> affects
>>>>>> one over time , the head of the EPA thinks is acceptable but
>>>>>> practically
>>>>>> ever other expert from his own agency doesn't. How can I give this
>>>>>> jerk
>>>>>> the same choking that he allows me to get? Where people are being
>>>>>> poisoned
>>>>>> and made to die decades earlier because of Bushs policies?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/hsn/20060921/hl_hsn/pollutedairmightincreasestrokerisk
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/22/us/22soot.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/21/AR2006092101616.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                     EPA Reports 6 out of every 10 homes are sick.
>>>>>>>  a.. Strong new evidence suggests that air pollution emitted by
>>>>>>> power
>>>>>>> plants and vehicles
>>>>>>>  across the US raises the risk of lung disease, according to a study
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Journal of
>>>>>>>  the American Medical Association.
>>>>>>>  b.. The air inside your home may be 5 times more polluted than the
>>>>>>> air
>>>>>>> outside, according
>>>>>>>  to the EPA.
>>>>>>>  c.. More than 1/2 of the US population is breathing unhealthy
>>>>>>> amounts
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> air pollution
>>>>>>>  according to the American Lung Association's State of the Air,
>>>>>>> 2002.
>>>>>>>  d.. 40-50 million Americans suffer from allergies and 17 million
>>>>>>> battle
>>>>>>> asthma.
>>>>>>>  e.. Virus, fungus, bacteria and hundreds of other germs are carried
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> air at all times.
>>>>>>>  While inhaled into the lungs, germs can cause cold, flu, pneumonia
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> other respiratory infections. When these germs lodge in your lungs,
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> breathing can be disrupted
>>>>>>>  and you can become ill. American Lung Association
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> there are a few associations between politics and asthma which yout
>>>>>>> wo
>>>>>>> seem
>>>>>>> to take issue about the most when I associate the idea. even
>>>>>>> thoughyou
>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>> read my posts. Here are a few other ideas: Pollution is one of the
>>>>>>> most
>>>>>>> important but often overlooked causes of ill health. If you were to
>>>>>>> ask
>>>>>>> people what werethe causes of your relatives death few would say
>>>>>>> pollution
>>>>>>> but yet that isexactly what might have been a major contributor. I
>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>> people have toldme they came away thinking differently about asthma
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> pollution and illhealth after reading my posts. People might know of
>>>>>>> pollutions consequencesbut most people don't know their cities air
>>>>>>> ratings
>>>>>>> or how it pertains tooverall health. If I can promote people to be
>>>>>>> educated
>>>>>>> about one of the mostimportant factors in their health in life, then
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> take the criticismsfrom people like you who obviously feel a bit
>>>>>>> threatened
>>>>>>> by information thatyou can't contribute. . I may post allot and its
>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>> the news media willnot go over the issue of pollution and the
>>>>>>> consequences
>>>>>>> and this will keeppeople a, uneducated about political changes, and
>>>>>>> b,
>>>>>>> uneducated aboutchoices where to live and how to find better
>>>>>>> conditions
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> air for theirfamily."mcs" <mcs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:fAXRg.2620$422.457@trnddc03...> yes, but do you realize one in
>>>>>>> five
>>>>>>> kids in NE states has asthma in some> places? They didn't have
>>>>>>> anything
>>>>>>> wrong with em.... the trees are dying> here, in droves, I
>>>>>>> automatically
>>>>>>> can't breath in moderate particulates,and> our news says polluted
>>>>>>> days
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> beautiful and their commericals are paidfor> by 34 different
>>>>>>> companies
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> tout drugs to treat you after they poison> you. If you think the
>>>>>>> goal
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> people to have jobs at poisoning the planet> and expense is business
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> should be, better guess again or volunteerto> take our place while
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>> live
>>>>>>> in Hawaii or at the ranch far away from> motorists and crime...> The
>>>>>>> stats
>>>>>>> say pollution kills and I say its underreported of the dangers.>
>>>>>>> When
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> first started people said I was crazy , global warming isn't true.>
>>>>>>> Guess
>>>>>>> what , if people knew that the biggest single reason for
>>>>>>> illnesswhen>
>>>>>>> everything else like diet and addictions were the same is
>>>>>>> pollution,people>
>>>>>>> might be singing a different
>>>>>>> tune.>>>>>>>http://news.yahoo.com/s/hsn/20060921/hl_hsn/pollutedairmightincreasestrokerisk>>>
>>>>>>> some people think more people are being murdered by polluters
>>>>>>> then>>>
>>>>>>> murder, 9/11 and Iraq combined. Not only do longevity studies prove
>>>>>>> when>>>
>>>>>>> every thing else is the same , like diet and addiction levels,
>>>>>>> pollution>>>
>>>>>>> levels and amount of days an areas  t=that gets moderate or
>>>>>>> worseparticulates  is>>> the defining factor in contributing to
>>>>>>> lower
>>>>>>> longevity,>>> but many studies have showed cause and effect.When
>>>>>>> everything
>>>>>>> is similar>>> such as>>> diet and addiction, the defining factor for
>>>>>>> longevity seems to be how>>> close>>> people live to pollutants and
>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>> often. The associations between>>> pollution>>> and ill health are
>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>> there, but our news and politicians don't care>>> except>>> for
>>>>>>> Arnold
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> NY. mayor. More studies can be done and I could volunteermany types
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>> they can be done but I know what the result would show,the oil and
>>>>>>> energy
>>>>>>> crew don't want to know the truth . I am being charged upto 59
>>>>>>> dollars
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> month for the right to use gas even if I don't use it. Canyou
>>>>>>> imagine
>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>> the conservatives would be screaming if someone chargedthem 59
>>>>>>> dollars
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> month for something they don't use? Only in America canenergy get
>>>>>>> special
>>>>>>> treatment, poison you, made to pay more for it thenanything else
>>>>>>> combined
>>>>>>> and after they poison you, they cover it up and youcan't sue em...
>>>>>>> Oil
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> old energy people and Johnson from EPA>>> and Republicans are in
>>>>>>> power
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> a>>> mandate  knowing  people cant seem to  sue them and those
>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>> say>>> pollution and>>> its negative effects is not proven to prop
>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>> energy supporterswho>>> gain billions, at your healths and families
>>>>>>> expense
>>>>>>> and this ispatronage and favoritism and wait, its at your>>> healths
>>>>>>> expense. This is MURDER . Where is expectation  of protectionfrom
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> epa
>>>>>>> who>>> disagrees with Johnson on this issue , or isn't govt is here
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> protectcitizens>>> equally/ Not in Bushs or Johnsons or Republicans
>>>>>>> MURDER
>>>>>>> the people who>>> don't know world.This is domestic terrorism. Don't
>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>> so trybreathing this for fifty years. look at my filters for one
>>>>>>> month,
>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>> intothis area of moderate pollution for 100 plus days a year and see
>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>> ittakes its tolls . Do a study. see how those closest to the
>>>>>>> pollution
>>>>>>> diesalmost 15 years sooner and those that don't have they tested
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>> overallhealth compared to places with little or no pollution? I will
>>>>>>> tell
>>>>>>> you theresults. there are huge differences in attitudes, in health ,
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> optimismand even crime sometimes. all because of pollution levels.
>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>> republicansare poisoning people and not doing anything about it,
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> murder...>> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/22/us/22soot.html>>>
>>>>>>> There
>>>>>>> are many other studies to show cause and effect and morecould>>> be
>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> you can't sue the bastards so don't expect to see thestudies..>>>
>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> democracy? Poor being>>> poisoned, rich many living 14 years longer
>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>> others cause they arerich>>> and not near the pollution, the rest
>>>>>>> near
>>>>>>> polluters deal with it. Payfor>>> your lost health and medication so
>>>>>>> polluters make billions.Its not likewe>>> can't do more and we will
>>>>>>> leave
>>>>>>> ourselves vulnerable. All we are asking>>> for>>> is making changes
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> available today faster!>>>>>>      Just moderate amounts of this
>>>>>>> poison
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> killing and hurtingamericans>>> and your families.... right now and
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> much I promise is true. The>>> latest longevity study shows that
>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>> are living up to 14 years>>> longer and often the best longevity is
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> rich
>>>>>>> places in clean air.Clean>>> and dirty air in the longevity study
>>>>>>> recently
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>forget about record number of asthma, forget illness we are talking
>>>>>>>death
>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>> pollution
>>>>>>>> in addition to all the links I gave before  and are available on
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> net
>>>>>>>>> with the associationg of  death and ill health to pollution, the
>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>> longevity study by state
>>>>>>>>> shows that pollution is a factor in determning old age too in some
>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>> all places although the study authors didn't directly mention
>>>>>>>>> pollution..
>>>>>>>>> (how convenient)
>>>>>>>>> The study conveniently left out pollution as a factor .This is
>>>>>>>>> such
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> giant conspiracy to not tell people i think its absolutely
>>>>>>>>> criminal
>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>> lawyers can add this study to the ammunition they already could
>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> show
>>>>>>>>> pollution is associated to added risk of death and ill health.
>>>>>>>>> There
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>> a place that has high amount of particle pollution with people who
>>>>>>>>> live
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> average the longest. In fact your more likely to not live longest
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> live
>>>>>>>>> shorter lives when you get high particulates and or ozone and
>>>>>>>>> everything
>>>>>>>>> else in polluted and non polluted  areas are
>>>>>>>>> the same like diet and rates of addiction (thats my theory), so
>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>> what?
>>>>>>>>> If someone were to tell you or your family were going to loseup to
>>>>>>>>> five
>>>>>>>>> years of life  or a decade or more  for something you had no
>>>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>>>> of,
>>>>>>>>> or because of
>>>>>>>>> where you lived would you or should you
>>>>>>>>> be concerned? Should  you be warned? Should we have politicians or
>>>>>>>>> gov
>>>>>>>>> policy
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> protect you or families equally with expectations to live without
>>>>>>>>> undue
>>>>>>>>> risks?  should people in the US expect with their tax dollars,
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>> be warned of risks of bodily harm,  or  probabe cause  of imminent
>>>>>>>>> dangers Well
>>>>>>>>> that is exactly what is not  happening and no one is warning you.
>>>>>>>>> Its
>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>> to murder
>>>>>>>>> people so it seems as long as you can't sue the people who are
>>>>>>>>> murdering
>>>>>>>>> you.  and or your too poor to care or know your being poisoned
>>>>>>>>> .When
>>>>>>>>> cigarette companies and people who make errant products can be
>>>>>>>>> sued even though the people often had a choice its one thing. With
>>>>>>>>> energy
>>>>>>>>> companies or car companies, and  govt, that often sets amount of
>>>>>>>>> pollution, people down wind
>>>>>>>>> have no choices. people and companies profitting at someones
>>>>>>>>> health
>>>>>>>>> expense should not be allowed until provisions are made so
>>>>>>>>> companies
>>>>>>>>> have to reduce the factors that increase the risks of pollution
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> ill
>>>>>>>>> health ...   everyone should be protected equally
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Not only that, how long you live by state is often
>>>>>>>>> diffused by not showing how long you might live in the most
>>>>>>>>> polluted
>>>>>>>>> cities in that state. Often the difference of only 40 miles could
>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> difference between living years longer or not.  ( for instance NJ
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> polluted state but there are areas in NJ that get overall good air
>>>>>>>>> near
>>>>>>>>> the sea and asian women with good families and no bad habits
>>>>>>>>> living
>>>>>>>>> long
>>>>>>>>> time  show that) By and large if you live in
>>>>>>>>> polluted city like Camden Washington dc and you do or don't  have
>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>> risk factors, do you know which one is more likely to kill you
>>>>>>>>> faster?
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> oil , coal and energy ., THE DEFINING FACTOR IS POLLUTION in
>>>>>>>>> poisoning
>>>>>>>>> people and shortening their life and your not told.  The sad facts
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> more can be done NOW but isn't.
>>>>>>>>> Tens of thousands are losing up to decade of life but news would
>>>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>>>> tell you about Britney Spears or a way in Iraq where one tenth as
>>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>> people are dying, except here no one has a choice in accepting
>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>> toxins.
>>>>>>>>> .Of course the issue of condition of health is not even factored
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> either
>>>>>>>>> like the rate of cancer or asthma. If the studies were made that
>>>>>>>>> compared
>>>>>>>>> the health of people who ate the same rather healthy diet but one
>>>>>>>>> lived
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> polluted city and one didn't that difference would show cause and
>>>>>>>>> effect.
>>>>>>>>> People are being poisoned in many cities in NE and SE and these
>>>>>>>>> longevity
>>>>>>>>> studies adds to the proof.
>>>>>>>>> This longevity study should add fuel to the fire that first poor
>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>> in the cities offer suffer significantly more dealth and illness (
>>>>>>>>> addictions aside) then rich people in clean areas . Up to ten
>>>>>>>>> years
>>>>>>>>> more.
>>>>>>> Any people rich or poor living downwind from pollution are
>>>>>>> decreasing
>>>>>>> their average life span ... how much so still needs to be
>>>>>>> determining
>>>>>>> according to particulate and ozone level. In fact of all risk
>>>>>>> factors
>>>>>>> pollution might be the most important or as important as the other
>>>>>>> major
>>>>>>> risk factors like smoking and poor diet. If we are poisoning people
>>>>>>> ,
>>>>>>> why
>>>>>>> should we complain when they rob and shoot you when they couldn't be
>>>>>>> well
>>>>>>> enough to make the right choices?
>>>>>>> I saw a show on Britney Spears and we see the importance of wars in
>>>>>>> Iraq,
>>>>>>> we are told of recalls of errant car seat
>>>>>>> yet this issue is affecting tens of millions  of little boys and
>>>>>>> girls
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> families and the press is silent.. That little girl with cancer
>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> gotten cancer simply because her little body could not have absorbed
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> toxins around her.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>We talk about black people in poverty and our young getting fat but
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>incredible thing is even if they wanted to do better they might not
>>>>>>>>be
>>>>>>>>able! becayse we are dosing them with black lungs and polluted
>>>>>>>>bodies.
>>>>>>>>You try living in this poison for 39 years. Anyone can see what kind
>>>>>>>>of dirt is coming into my filter every 20 days, just mulitply that
>>>>>>>>by
>>>>>>>>years.....
>>
>>>> First off I think its important to state I love my country and I hope I
>>>> can
>>>> contribute in  making it better without people thinking I am unfairly
>>>> complaining for the sake of complaining.cause I really believe what I
>>>> write
>>>> is important and true. I am sorry I have to offend some people but tis
>>>> obvious, this is , or might be the difference between life and death
>>>> and
>>>> right
>>>> and wrong.
>>>>> not maybe, absolutely.  The companies who pump this stuff know of the
>>>>> dangers from their pollution, the govt
>>>>> knows it, the only people who don't want you to know it is the news
>>>>> media
>>>>> ,
>>>>> the polluters, the President,
>>>>> and Supreme Court and some in Congress who ignore all obvious links to
>>>>> the damage.to support the richest companies at the expense of families
>>>>> and countless lives. How is this fair or right or good for a free
>>>>> society ? You figure this out, I don't know why pollution is affecting
>>>>> so many and me more now  or whether global
>>>>> warming is making it worse ( probable), all I know its happening and
>>>>> its
>>>>> adding to wrong links by govt not caring to do more . Our govt. says
>>>>> others are doing  the wrong thing  for their when they allie with
>>>>> terrorists .We are setting wrong models too ,when  the lines are
>>>>> crossed
>>>>> between safety and sanity  I say the links to
>>>>> pollution and ill health or worse : lower longevity
>>>>> for
>>>>> families that are closest to the pollution are provable without one
>>>>> iota
>>>>> of
>>>>> doubt.Just because allot of pollution maynot be affecting you , don't
>>>>> mean its not happening to others.
>>> Here is a conversation I had with someone in a newsgroup
>>>
>>> They can mandate better fuel effecincy
>>>>
>>>> They have done this on a phased in basis.  The only way to make huge
>>>> gains
>>>> in technology is if the consumer funds it by buying it.  No other way
>>>> can
>>>> generate the cash needed for significant large scale improvements.
>>> No other way? The hope ws that the gov would increase the mandatory
>>> miles
>>> per gallon all future cars needed to have I  think .
>>>
>>>>> better mix of corn or ethanol
>>>>
>>>> New cars are already mandated to be compatible with such fuels.
>>>> However,
>>>> very few gas stations carry it.  Again, it has to be consumer driven to
>>>> get stations to want to install it.  If its mandated and consumers
>>>> won't
>>>> pay it guess what happens?
>>>
>>> . Its mixed in already? Whats the problem?  What consumers have
>>> objected?
>>> Now its possible the costs might have  rises since this alternative has
>>> become
>>> available and gas prices has fallen, but perhaps this is why gas prices
>>> have
>>> fallen. Two good reasons to keep adding this to the fuel.: Cleaner
>>> burning
>>> and
>>>  lower prices, a no brainer.
>>> They just need to mix more of it..
>>>
>>>>>, faster clean up of  smoke stack pollution standards
>>>>
>>>> Already mandated in a phased in plan.  So I assume you want that
>>>> phasing
>>>> sped up.  How much does your plan cost?
>>> Do you know how much pollution costs in lost productivity and ill health
>>> in  peoples lives?
>>> Seriously, if we are not being told of the consequences or the levels of
>>> pollution, I
>>> don't think you can know of the true costs  and effects pollution has on
>>> people in lost
>>> health and productivity .  This is where progressive governments differ
>>> then
>>> ours and its because the people in charge often  has a mindset of  doing
>>> more for alternaties and not defaulting with the status quo with oil
>>> paying
>>> for campaigns over  lives of its people. Just because it may not affect
>>> you
>>> now or yet don't mean its not affecting others big time like me or
>>> others.
>>> .
>>> Global warming is a huge issue around the world and again the people in
>>> the Bush
>>> administration don't want to do its part in even accepting part of Kyoto
>>> treaty . As the true costs of this one sided reliance on oil and
>>> production
>>> companies take its toll, people will die and other countries will make
>>> changes faster. . T he cost  in cleaning up our environment  now, is
>>> minimal
>>> compared to lost productivity but to be honest if we are fighting to
>>> stop
>>> terror, trying to protect our people from lost longevity and illness
>>> from
>>> pollution when
>>> experts say its possible, should at least be just as important..Like I
>>> said
>>> the overall effects from this toxic poisoning is clearly not evident  or
>>> being told , to the
>>> public and many people don't have the time to wait for ever increasing
>>> lethal associations and studies to sure to come. , but from the way all
>>> the damages are NOT neatly put
>>> together and packaged like our concerns with  someone in office having
>>> sex
>>> or  bad spinanch or even smoking, one wonders why not the same concern
>>> for
>>> this important happening. I can tell you what they are hiding, our
>>> dependence on this is
>>> without any doubt causing tens of thousands of deaths and illness that
>>> would
>>> make all terror look like a picnic. . Almost whatever  costs  to clean
>>> up
>>> pollution now and in the future is a win win scenario down the line. The
>>> problem is you don't want to promote the tests to find out how much is
>>> being
>>> lost do you now? . The potential or real loss in productivity and value
>>> for
>>> years of life is huge  compared to  the / value energy companies save in
>>> doing it piece meal slowly . I thought the govt was here to protect its
>>> citizens not poison them and protect the people who paid for their
>>> campaigns! In my mind this is one reason why the poor can't make the
>>> proper
>>> choices, why people do the wrong things, because we don't have a govt
>>> that
>>> sponsers the right values. ....the money now to clean the smoke
>>> stacks.faster is money used for the right things.  . The problem is they
>>> are
>>> hiding the damages, the studies have not been made to show why cleaning
>>> up
>>> the stacks are important,  and govt incredibly enough knows about it but
>>> does not want to do more. For many govts around the world theydon't have
>>> the
>>> impetus or money to sponser alternatives faster but we do. Some of the
>>> smartest people in the world has said we are killing the planet. If the
>>> studies were made to show the true consequences and people were told
>>> they
>>> were dying years if not decades sooner because of this poison there
>>> would
>>> be
>>> more emphasis in trying to eradicate the causes faster because afterall
>>> we
>>> are the richest or one of the richest nations on earth. We can send
>>> people
>>> in billion dollar space stations but allow the slaughter of its people
>>> because energy companies fuel the people in powers campaign .. A crime
>>> of
>>> mass proportion and like Terrorism , they will have to answer to this
>>> someday...because when we do the wrong things it connects to doing the
>>> wrong
>>> things in other ways. Finally I am not an expert in indentifying how we
>>> are
>>> suppose to deal with global warming but it doesn't take a brain
>>> scientists
>>> if you had to breathe this air everyday ) to know someone should
>>> immediately
>>> do more to stop the poisoning of its people that these toxics are most
>>> assuredly doing.To do otherwise is allowing holocausts to go on thats
>>> how
>>> sure I am of the damages and consequences...
>>>
>>> If the studies don't
>>>>> conclusively prove it  now, it can be proved. Anyone want to see my
>>>>> accumulated soot and black soot accumulated via a furnance filter from
>>>>> only
>>>>> 25 days of living in moderate
>>>>> amounts of particulates/.I dare anyone to compare our peoples overall
>>>>> health
>>>>> to those in clean  areas who ate the same things.Its like living in
>>>>> two
>>>>> different centuries, one with more health and optimism and the other
>>>>> mean,
>>>>> dependent on medications and hospitals, crime cyniscim  and ill
>>>>> health.
>>>>> But
>>>>> its the  condition of health between the two different peoples, that
>>>>> would
>>>>> show
>>>>> that polluters and govt policy is allowing the  murdering of families
>>>>> or
>>>>> cutting short their lives or health and  nothing  is being done to
>>>>> protect
>>>>> them equally!
>>>>> I
>>>>> can think of ten more tests to prove it.,\
>>>>> Please send my following opinion and links to real facts to your
>>>>> Congressman
>>>>> and ask how the greatest country in the world can get away with
>>>>> poisoning
>>>>> inner city youth and millions of people without a thing done to
>>>>> protect
>>>>> them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it possible?
>>>>> Mr. Bush get a clue, side with safety , not poisoning people.
>>>>> Coming back from , Boston or New York I am often taken back and my
>>>>> lungs
>>>>> constrict as I head
>>>>> to Philly yet no one cares. This is totally involuntary reflex due the
>>>>> poisons. Can you imagine families having to put up with this for
>>>>> decades
>>>>> and
>>>>> it affects another area of their body , one not so obvious?
>>>>> Ok? Now you or anyone tell me why this isn't the most important things
>>>>> in
>>>>> people lives right now... MASS MURDER by oil , coal and car companies
>>>>> and
>>>>> who will ever compensate those that will lose their health and lives
>>>>> and
>>>>> fiances to it? There are many many ways to prove all this beyond the
>>>>> few
>>>>> studies on web and epa findings and American Lung Associations ratings
>>>>> of
>>>>> F.
>>>>> Where are the attorneys? Why isn't more being done. What I do hear is
>>>>> its
>>>>> not as bad as it once was, and its a beautiful day , and 23 different
>>>>> medications to treat sleep disorders and asthma and allergy after they
>>>>> poison you .We get commercials for inhalers and oxygen and not a worry
>>>>> in
>>>>> the
>>>>> world why people age and die faster in these polluted hell holes ..
>>>>> <info@economicdemocracy.org> wrote in message
>>>>> news:1158681407.782351.246170@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> The denial industry
>>>>>
>>>>> For years, a network of fake citizens' groups and bogus scientific
>>>>> bodies has been claiming that science of global warming is
>>>>> inconclusive. They set back action on climate change by a decade. But
>>>>> who funded them? Exxon's involvement is well known, but not the
>>>>> strange
>>>>> role of Big Tobacco. In the first of three extracts from his new book,
>>>>> George Monbiot tells a bizarre and shocking new story
>>>>>
>>>>> Tuesday September 19, 2006
>>>>> The Guardian
>>>>>
>>>>> Exxon station in California
>>>>> 'The impacts of the climate-change deniers sponsored by Exxon have
>>>>> been
>>>>> felt all over the world.' Photograph: AP
>>>>>
>>>>> ExxonMobil is the world's most profitable corporation. Its sales now
>>>>> amount to more than $1bn a day. It makes most of this money from oil,
>>>>> and has more to lose than any other company from efforts to tackle
>>>>> climate change. To safeguard its profits, ExxonMobil needs to sow
>>>>> doubt
>>>>> about whether serious action needs to be taken on climate change. But
>>>>> there are difficulties: it must confront a scientific consensus as
>>>>> strong as that which maintains that smoking causes lung cancer or that
>>>>> HIV causes Aids. So what's its strategy?
>>>>>
>>>>> Article continues
>>>>> The website Exxonsecrets.org, using data found in the company's
>>>>> official documents, lists 124 organisations that have taken money from
>>>>> the company or work closely with those that have. These organisations
>>>>> take a consistent line on climate change: that the science is
>>>>> contradictory, the scientists are split, environmentalists are
>>>>> charlatans, liars or lunatics, and if governments took action to
>>>>> prevent global warming, they would be endangering the global economy
>>>>> for no good reason. The findings these organisations dislike are
>>>>> labelled "junk science". The findings they welcome are labelled "sound
>>>>> science".
>>>>>
>>>>> Among the organisations that have been funded by Exxon are such
>>>>> well-known websites and lobby groups as TechCentralStation, the Cato
>>>>> Institute and the Heritage Foundation. Some of those on the list have
>>>>> names that make them look like grassroots citizens' organisations or
>>>>> academic bodies: the Centre for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global
>>>>> Change, for example. One or two of them, such as the Congress of
>>>>> Racial
>>>>> Equality, are citizens' organisations or academic bodies, but the line
>>>>> they take on climate change is very much like that of the other
>>>>> sponsored groups. While all these groups are based in America, their
>>>>> publications are read and cited, and their staff are interviewed and
>>>>> quoted, all over the world.
>>>>>
>>>>> By funding a large number of organisations, Exxon helps to create the
>>>>> impression that doubt about climate change is widespread. For those
>>>>> who
>>>>> do not understand that scientific findings cannot be trusted if they
>>>>> have not appeared in peer-reviewed journals, the names of these
>>>>> institutes help to suggest that serious researchers are challenging
>>>>> the
>>>>> consensus.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is not to claim that all the science these groups champion is
>>>>> bogus. On the whole, they use selection, not invention. They will find
>>>>> one contradictory study - such as the discovery of tropospheric
>>>>> cooling, which, in a garbled form, has been used by Peter Hitchens in
>>>>> the Mail on Sunday - and promote it relentlessly. They will continue
>>>>> to
>>>>> do so long after it has been disproved by further work. So, for
>>>>> example, John Christy, the author of the troposphere paper, admitted
>>>>> in
>>>>> August 2005 that his figures were incorrect, yet his initial findings
>>>>> are still being circulated and championed by many of these groups, as
>>>>> a
>>>>> quick internet search will show you.
>>>>>
>>>>> But they do not stop there. The chairman of a group called the Science
>>>>> and Environmental Policy Project is Frederick Seitz. Seitz is a
>>>>> physicist who in the 1960s was president of the US National Academy of
>>>>> Sciences. In 1998, he wrote a document, known as the Oregon Petition,
>>>>> which has been cited by almost every journalist who claims that
>>>>> climate
>>>>> change is a myth.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mass poisoning of people makes 9/11 look like a picnic and Bush is
>>>>>> one
>>>>>> link or cause
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> it. We can do moe now, we don't have to pretend we don't know of the
>>>>>> damage.Some people cared like Christie Whitman and Al Gore and others
>>>>>> looked away and even promoted this murder policy that is going on.
>>>>>> Its
>>>>>> the point that we know all this, can do more and still don't
>>>>>> that really gets to me on top of the physical discomfort of being
>>>>>> choked
>>>>>> with asthma only on these days and those days are numerous.
>>>>>> I live it every year in this helll hole. Where over 100 days so far
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> air
>>>>>> out of the good zone. Where my lungs constrict,. where peoples
>>>>>> atttiudes
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> rotten, where drinking and drugging might be appropriate response to
>>>>>> being
>>>>>> poisoned, many are jobless and mean spirited  then they tell you
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> our
>>>>>> crime rate that keeps increasing, but no links to pollution! We
>>>>>> are being poisoned. If your not affected and many aren't , please
>>>>>> realize
>>>>>> many others are.  So many things are affected negatively and the best
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> brightest in news and politicians ignore it. They rather talk about
>>>>>> Iraq.
>>>>>> Let me tell you something this poisoning makes Iraq and 9/11 look
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> picnic and its because of the oil, and energy lobby and car
>>>>>> companies.
>>>>>> They
>>>>>> all are going about telling you of changes but chances are for too
>>>>>> many
>>>>>> people it will be too late....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Of course they are. Pollution is by definition poison. That's the
>>>>>>>>>>problem
>>>>>>> with pollution, it poisons people. DUH!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes but how many people think pollution might have caused their
>>>>>>> relatives
>>>>>>> death? Affected their life span ?  Chances are not many and chances
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> ,
>>>>>>> at least in my town, they should assume that. So many days the air
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> horrific here and not a thing said or done. I have been in other
>>>>>>> places
>>>>>>> with clean air and its like living in two different centuries
>>>>>>> almost.
>>>>>>> Attitudes, crime,  health and total costs for health are or might be
>>>>>>> different.But most important the actual lives of peoples health are
>>>>>>> different and many ways to prove it. SSssssssssssoooo many people
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> losing their life and age and health to pollution and built up of
>>>>>>> gasses
>>>>>>> compared to others its almost unbelievable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have a street around here called Street Road and come rush hour
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> life a ten mile polluted town akin probably to most polluted places
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> Asia.
>>>>>> All one might have to do is see how the people who work on this
>>>>>> street
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> been affected compared to those in clean air to know what kind of
>>>>>> poison
>>>>>> people are getting. Not all poisons are equally venomous.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe you or your friends are old looking and your friend didn't die
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> old age, they died
>>>>>> earlier because of wrongrace, or where you lived and died because
>>>>>> Bush
>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>> care one iota for your health , and in fact can be argued is
>>>>>> contributing
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> you and your families ill health and death...I can argue the
>>>>>> democrats
>>>>>> didn't care either but we know more now, anyone can add up the
>>>>>> objective
>>>>>> data. Anyone can add up the number of prescription for asthma meds
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> compare the stats by area. Anyone can compare the state of health
>>>>>> between
>>>>>> people who live in polluted areas and those that don't. The studies
>>>>>> so
>>>>>> far
>>>>>> are dim for the people in the NE being poisoned. Everyone should be
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> some kind of disability if I am any example of how this toxic air
>>>>>> affects
>>>>>> one over time , the head of the EPA thinks is acceptable but
>>>>>> practically
>>>>>> ever other expert from his own agency doesn't. How can I give this
>>>>>> jerk
>>>>>> the same choking that he allows me to get? Where people are being
>>>>>> poisoned
>>>>>> and made to die decades earlier because of Bushs policies?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/hsn/20060921/hl_hsn/pollutedairmightincreasestrokerisk
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/22/us/22soot.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/21/AR2006092101616.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                     EPA Reports 6 out of every 10 homes are sick.
>>>>>>>  a.. Strong new evidence suggests that air pollution emitted by
>>>>>>> power
>>>>>>> plants and vehicles
>>>>>>>  across the US raises the risk of lung disease, according to a study
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Journal of
>>>>>>>  the American Medical Association.
>>>>>>>  b.. The air inside your home may be 5 times more polluted than the
>>>>>>> air
>>>>>>> outside, according
>>>>>>>  to the EPA.
>>>>>>>  c.. More than 1/2 of the US population is breathing unhealthy
>>>>>>> amounts
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> air pollution
>>>>>>>  according to the American Lung Association's State of the Air,
>>>>>>> 2002.
>>>>>>>  d.. 40-50 million Americans suffer from allergies and 17 million
>>>>>>> battle
>>>>>>> asthma.
>>>>>>>  e.. Virus, fungus, bacteria and hundreds of other germs are carried
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> air at all times.
>>>>>>>  While inhaled into the lungs, germs can cause cold, flu, pneumonia
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> other respiratory infections. When these germs lodge in your lungs,
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> breathing can be disrupted
>>>>>>>  and you can become ill. American Lung Association
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> there are a few associations between politics and asthma which yout
>>>>>>> wo
>>>>>>> seem
>>>>>>> to take issue about the most when I associate the idea. even
>>>>>>> thoughyou
>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>> read my posts. Here are a few other ideas: Pollution is one of the
>>>>>>> most
>>>>>>> important but often overlooked causes of ill health. If you were to
>>>>>>> ask
>>>>>>> people what werethe causes of your relatives death few would say
>>>>>>> pollution
>>>>>>> but yet that isexactly what might have been a major contributor. I
>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>> people have toldme they came away thinking differently about asthma
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> pollution and illhealth after reading my posts. People might know of
>>>>>>> pollutions consequencesbut most people don't know their cities air
>>>>>>> ratings
>>>>>>> or how it pertains tooverall health. If I can promote people to be
>>>>>>> educated
>>>>>>> about one of the mostimportant factors in their health in life, then
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> take the criticismsfrom people like you who obviously feel a bit
>>>>>>> threatened
>>>>>>> by information thatyou can't contribute. . I may post allot and its
>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>> the news media willnot go over the issue of pollution and the
>>>>>>> consequences
>>>>>>> and this will keeppeople a, uneducated about political changes, and
>>>>>>> b,
>>>>>>> uneducated aboutchoices where to live and how to find better
>>>>>>> conditions
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> air for theirfamily."mcs" <mcs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:fAXRg.2620$422.457@trnddc03...> yes, but do you realize one in
>>>>>>> five
>>>>>>> kids in NE states has asthma in some> places? They didn't have
>>>>>>> anything
>>>>>>> wrong with em.... the trees are dying> here, in droves, I
>>>>>>> automatically
>>>>>>> can't breath in moderate particulates,and> our news says polluted
>>>>>>> days
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> beautiful and their commericals are paidfor> by 34 different
>>>>>>> companies
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> tout drugs to treat you after they poison> you. If you think the
>>>>>>> goal
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> people to have jobs at poisoning the planet> and expense is business
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> should be, better guess again or volunteerto> take our place while
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>> live
>>>>>>> in Hawaii or at the ranch far away from> motorists and crime...> The
>>>>>>> stats
>>>>>>> say pollution kills and I say its underreported of the dangers.>
>>>>>>> When
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> first started people said I was crazy , global warming isn't true.>
>>>>>>> Guess
>>>>>>> what , if people knew that the biggest single reason for
>>>>>>> illnesswhen>
>>>>>>> everything else like diet and addictions were the same is
>>>>>>> pollution,people>
>>>>>>> might be singing a different
>>>>>>> tune.>>>>>>>http://news.yahoo.com/s/hsn/20060921/hl_hsn/pollutedairmightincreasestrokerisk>>>
>>>>>>> some people think more people are being murdered by polluters
>>>>>>> then>>>
>>>>>>> murder, 9/11 and Iraq combined. Not only do longevity studies prove
>>>>>>> when>>>
>>>>>>> every thing else is the same , like diet and addiction levels,
>>>>>>> pollution>>>
>>>>>>> levels and amount of days an areas  t=that gets moderate or
>>>>>>> worseparticulates  is>>> the defining factor in contributing to
>>>>>>> lower
>>>>>>> longevity,>>> but many studies have showed cause and effect.When
>>>>>>> everything
>>>>>>> is similar>>> such as>>> diet and addiction, the defining factor for
>>>>>>> longevity seems to be how>>> close>>> people live to pollutants and
>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>> often. The associations between>>> pollution>>> and ill health are
>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>> there, but our news and politicians don't care>>> except>>> for
>>>>>>> Arnold
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> NY. mayor. More studies can be done and I could volunteermany types
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>> they can be done but I know what the result would show,the oil and
>>>>>>> energy
>>>>>>> crew don't want to know the truth . I am being charged upto 59
>>>>>>> dollars
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> month for the right to use gas even if I don't use it. Canyou
>>>>>>> imagine
>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>> the conservatives would be screaming if someone chargedthem 59
>>>>>>> dollars
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> month for something they don't use? Only in America canenergy get
>>>>>>> special
>>>>>>> treatment, poison you, made to pay more for it thenanything else
>>>>>>> combined
>>>>>>> and after they poison you, they cover it up and youcan't sue em...
>>>>>>> Oil
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> old energy people and Johnson from EPA>>> and Republicans are in
>>>>>>> power
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> a>>> mandate  knowing  people cant seem to  sue them and those
>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>> say>>> pollution and>>> its negative effects is not proven to prop
>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>> energy supporterswho>>> gain billions, at your healths and families
>>>>>>> expense
>>>>>>> and this ispatronage and favoritism and wait, its at your>>> healths
>>>>>>> expense. This is MURDER . Where is expectation  of protectionfrom
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> epa
>>>>>>> who>>> disagrees with Johnson on this issue , or isn't govt is here
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> protectcitizens>>> equally/ Not in Bushs or Johnsons or Republicans
>>>>>>> MURDER
>>>>>>> the people who>>> don't know world.This is domestic terrorism. Don't
>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>> so trybreathing this for fifty years. look at my filters for one
>>>>>>> month,
>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>> intothis area of moderate pollution for 100 plus days a year and see
>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>> ittakes its tolls . Do a study. see how those closest to the
>>>>>>> pollution
>>>>>>> diesalmost 15 years sooner and those that don't have they tested
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>> overallhealth compared to places with little or no pollution? I will
>>>>>>> tell
>>>>>>> you theresults. there are huge differences in attitudes, in health ,
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> optimismand even crime sometimes. all because of pollution levels.
>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>> republicansare poisoning people and not doing anything about it,
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> murder...>> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/22/us/22soot.html>>>
>>>>>>> There
>>>>>>> are many other studies to show cause and effect and morecould>>> be
>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> you can't sue the bastards so don't expect to see thestudies..>>>
>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> democracy? Poor being>>> poisoned, rich many living 14 years longer
>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>> others cause they arerich>>> and not near the pollution, the rest
>>>>>>> near
>>>>>>> polluters deal with it. Payfor>>> your lost health and medication so
>>>>>>> polluters make billions.Its not likewe>>> can't do more and we will
>>>>>>> leave
>>>>>>> ourselves vulnerable. All we are asking>>> for>>> is making changes
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> available today faster!>>>>>>      Just moderate amounts of this
>>>>>>> poison
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> killing and hurtingamericans>>> and your families.... right now and
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> much I promise is true. The>>> latest longevity study shows that
>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>> are living up to 14 years>>> longer and often the best longevity is
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> rich
>>>>>>> places in clean air.Clean>>> and dirty air in the longevity study
>>>>>>> recently
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>forget about record number of asthma, forget illness we are talking
>>>>>>>death
>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>> pollution
>>>>>>>> in addition to all the links I gave before  and are available on
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> net
>>>>>>>>> with the associationg of  death and ill health to pollution, the
>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>> longevity study by state
>>>>>>>>> shows that pollution is a factor in determning old age too in some
>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>> all places although the study authors didn't directly mention
>>>>>>>>> pollution..
>>>>>>>>> (how convenient)
>>>>>>>>> The study conveniently left out pollution as a factor .This is
>>>>>>>>> such
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> giant conspiracy to not tell people i think its absolutely
>>>>>>>>> criminal
>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>> lawyers can add this study to the ammunition they already could
>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> show
>>>>>>>>> pollution is associated to added risk of death and ill health.
>>>>>>>>> There
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>> a place that has high amount of particle pollution with people who
>>>>>>>>> live
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> average the longest. In fact your more likely to not live longest
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> live
>>>>>>>>> shorter lives when you get high particulates and or ozone and
>>>>>>>>> everything
>>>>>>>>> else in polluted and non polluted  areas are
>>>>>>>>> the same like diet and rates of addiction (thats my theory), so
>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>> what?
>>>>>>>>> If someone were to tell you or your family were going to loseup to
>>>>>>>>> five
>>>>>>>>> years of life  or a decade or more  for something you had no
>>>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>>>> of,
>>>>>>>>> or because of
>>>>>>>>> where you lived would you or should you
>>>>>>>>> be concerned? Should  you be warned? Should we have politicians or
>>>>>>>>> gov
>>>>>>>>> policy
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> protect you or families equally with expectations to live without
>>>>>>>>> undue
>>>>>>>>> risks?  should people in the US expect with their tax dollars,
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>> be warned of risks of bodily harm,  or  probabe cause  of imminent
>>>>>>>>> dangers Well
>>>>>>>>> that is exactly what is not  happening and no one is warning you.
>>>>>>>>> Its
>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>> to murder
>>>>>>>>> people so it seems as long as you can't sue the people who are
>>>>>>>>> murdering
>>>>>>>>> you.  and or your too poor to care or know your being poisoned
>>>>>>>>> .When
>>>>>>>>> cigarette companies and people who make errant products can be
>>>>>>>>> sued even though the people often had a choice its one thing. With
>>>>>>>>> energy
>>>>>>>>> companies or car companies, and  govt, that often sets amount of
>>>>>>>>> pollution, people down wind
>>>>>>>>> have no choices. people and companies profitting at someones
>>>>>>>>> health
>>>>>>>>> expense should not be allowed until provisions are made so
>>>>>>>>> companies
>>>>>>>>> have to reduce the factors that increase the risks of pollution
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> ill
>>>>>>>>> health ...   everyone should be protected equally
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Not only that, how long you live by state is often
>>>>>>>>> diffused by not showing how long you might live in the most
>>>>>>>>> polluted
>>>>>>>>> cities in that state. Often the difference of only 40 miles could
>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> difference between living years longer or not.  ( for instance NJ
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> polluted state but there are areas in NJ that get overall good air
>>>>>>>>> near
>>>>>>>>> the sea and asian women with good families and no bad habits
>>>>>>>>> living
>>>>>>>>> long
>>>>>>>>> time  show that) By and large if you live in
>>>>>>>>> polluted city like Camden Washington dc and you do or don't  have
>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>> risk factors, do you know which one is more likely to kill you
>>>>>>>>> faster?
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> oil , coal and energy ., THE DEFINING FACTOR IS POLLUTION in
>>>>>>>>> poisoning
>>>>>>>>> people and shortening their life and your not told.  The sad facts
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> more can be done NOW but isn't.
>>>>>>>>> Tens of thousands are losing up to decade of life but news would
>>>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>>>> tell you about Britney Spears or a way in Iraq where one tenth as
>>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>> people are dying, except here no one has a choice in accepting
>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>> toxins.
>>>>>>>>> .Of course the issue of condition of health is not even factored
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> either
>>>>>>>>> like the rate of cancer or asthma. If the studies were made that
>>>>>>>>> compared
>>>>>>>>> the health of people who ate the same rather healthy diet but one
>>>>>>>>> lived
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> polluted city and one didn't that difference would show cause and
>>>>>>>>> effect.
>>>>>>>>> People are being poisoned in many cities in NE and SE and these
>>>>>>>>> longevity
>>>>>>>>> studies adds to the proof.
>>>>>>>>> This longevity study should add fuel to the fire that first poor
>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>> in the cities offer suffer significantly more dealth and illness (
>>>>>>>>> addictions aside) then rich people in clean areas . Up to ten
>>>>>>>>> years
>>>>>>>>> more.
>>>>>>> Any people rich or poor living downwind from pollution are
>>>>>>> decreasing
>>>>>>> their average life span ... how much so still needs to be
>>>>>>> determining
>>>>>>> according to particulate and ozone level. In fact of all risk
>>>>>>> factors
>>>>>>> pollution might be the most important or as important as the other
>>>>>>> major
>>>>>>> risk factors like smoking and poor diet. If we are poisoning people
>>>>>>> ,
>>>>>>> why
>>>>>>> should we complain when they rob and shoot you when they couldn't be
>>>>>>> well
>>>>>>> enough to make the right choices?
>>>>>>> I saw a show on Britney Spears and we see the importance of wars in
>>>>>>> Iraq,
>>>>>>> we are told of recalls of errant car seat
>>>>>>> yet this issue is affecting tens of millions  of little boys and
>>>>>>> girls
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> families and the press is silent.. That little girl with cancer
>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> gotten cancer simply because her little body could not have absorbed
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> toxins around her.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>We talk about black people in poverty and our young getting fat but
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>incredible thing is even if they wanted to do better they might not
>>>>>>>>be
>>>>>>>>able! becayse we are dosing them with black lungs and polluted
>>>>>>>>bodies.
>>>>>>>>You try living in this poison for 39 years. Anyone can see what kind
>>>>>>>>of dirt is coming into my filter every 20 days, just mulitply that
>>>>>>>>by
>>>>>>>>years.....
>>>>>>>>
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