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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Asthma / October 2003New study on melatonin and asthma
http://www.nationaljewish.org/news/melatonin.html "People with asthma should consider limiting the use of melatonin as a sleep aid, according to researchers at National Jewish Medical and Research Center. Pulmonologist Rand Sutherland, M.D., M.P.H., and his colleagues report in the September 2003 issue of the Journal of Allergy and Clinical Immunology that higher levels of melatonin were associated with an overnight loss of lung function in asthma patients. Previous studies by the same group have shown that melatonin induces the release of chemicals that promote inflammation, a hallmark symptom of asthma." On 10/18/03 2:41 AM, in article 3F90E08A.C92F0134@mailin.lrz-muenchen.de, > http://www.nationaljewish.org/news/melatonin.html > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > studies by the same group have shown that melatonin induces the release > of chemicals that promote inflammation, a hallmark symptom of asthma." Hmmm. I have SAD, which is apparently caused by more melatonin production when there's less light... > http://www.nationaljewish.org/news/melatonin.html > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > studies by the same group have shown that melatonin induces the release > of chemicals that promote inflammation, a hallmark symptom of asthma." One kind of wonders where the research this group is performing is leading? Clearly melatonin, in the eyes of this group, is a "bad thing". What can we poor unfortunate asthmatics do to prevent its corrosive effects on our lives - one asks ones self. Never turn out the lights when we go to bed! Simple! Next question......... Pete [yes, written in sarcasm mode] > > http://www.nationaljewish.org/news/melatonin.html > > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Pete > [yes, written in sarcasm mode] Well I do definitely have the urge to sermonize about this sort of thing! I was for ages a true-believer in asthma drugs. Then I happened to hit upon a tactic for defusing the whole thing. I managed to curb attacks. See Professor D. Hillsman (http://www.ohiou.edu/isarp/conf_02/papr_4.htm) on prolonging the exhale for COPD but also with some emphasis on asthma: "The commonest and usually best deflation strategy is a non-forced, or minimally forced, prolongation of the expiratory time by approximately 25%. This will minimize the problem of Dynamic Bronchial Compression (DBC) as discussed below. Repeated over several breaths all Dynamic Hyperinflation should be corrected, and the patient comfortable within 10 or so breaths." In other words it is possible to nip an attack in the bud by diligently prolonging the exhale. It may take a year or so of practice before you can go around without asthma medication but I think it is very worthwhile trying. Probably you'd always have the medication with you, even you felt you were completely out of trouble. Its your choice I guess, can you really blame others? Respectfully, Richard Friedel >I was for ages a true-believer in asthma drugs. Then I happened to hit >upon a tactic for defusing the whole thing. I managed to curb attacks. And now you are a 'true believer' in a patent remedy. -- There can be no triumph without loss. No victory without suffering. No freedom without sacrifice. > >I was for ages a true-believer in asthma drugs. Then I happened to hit > >upon a tactic for defusing the whole thing. I managed to curb attacks. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > No victory without suffering. > No freedom without sacrifice. Seeing that asthma drugs are patented, this sounds a bit strange. Professor D. Hillsman has come along with this effective tactic for curbing attacks and defusing asthma. Have you any problems with it? >Seeing that asthma drugs are patented, this sounds a bit strange. >Professor D. Hillsman has come along with this effective tactic for >curbing attacks and defusing asthma. Have you any problems with it? I am not convinced and feel that this doctor is premature in his conclusions. -- There can be no triumph without loss. No victory without suffering. No freedom without sacrifice. <snipped> > Its your choice I guess, can you really blame others? Respectfully, > Richard Friedel I know my reply was sarcastic - but it did relate to your original post. Just what does your follow-up have to do with my reply, or even melatonin and asthma? Pete <snipped> > Its your choice I guess, can you really blame others? Respectfully, > Richard Friedel I know my reply was sarcastic - but it did relate to your original post. Just what does your follow-up have to do with my reply, or even melatonin and asthma? Pete I was trying to talk you out of what seemed like self-pity, or were you being ironical with "poor asthmatics"? > <snipped> > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I was trying to talk you out of what seemed like self-pity, or were you > being ironical with "poor asthmatics"? To clarify - yes to sarcasm and YES to irony! I've not had an opportunity to read the full paper yet - however, from the abstract, I see that the group has shown "melatonin induces the release of chemicals that promote inflammation, a hallmark symptom of asthma" IN ITRO - a small and trivial (sarcasm) detail omitted from the item you quoted. Despite what the "bunny huggers" would have one believe in-vitro is a long way from in-vivo. Furthermore, as I said in my original reply - I wonder where this "research" is going. The next logical step would be (for some idiot) to suggest that asthmatics take melatonin antagonists. I suggest you try searches on melatonin and schizophrenia/sleep disorders/seasonal affective disorder/jet lag/reproduction......................... oh and circadian rhythms too :o) I, for one, am not about to screw-around with the workings of my anterior pituitary. Pete > > <snipped> > > > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Pete Are you saying that you don't wish to test the hypophysis? ;-) <snip> > > I, for one, am not about to screw-around with the workings of my anterior > > pituitary. > > > > Pete > > Are you saying that you don't wish to test the hypophysis? ;-) Very droll :o)..... > > <snipped> > > > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Pete Hi Pete, I originally thought the item might be of general interest. The pointer to it came from the scientific section of a national newspaper. >ImmunoPigFeces wrote: >> > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >I originally thought the item might be of general interest. The pointer >to it came from the scientific section of a national newspaper. Which, "The Hillybilly Hayseed"? With your kinda purpetual ignorant claptrap you'd be a fine candidate for the "Asthma is a Mental Disease" poster boy... of course you'd incur plenty of competition from the rest of your asa mental midget cohorts. ---= BOYCOTT FRENCH--GERMAN (belgium) =--- ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =--- Sheldon ```````````` "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation." ......... > >I originally thought the item might be of general interest. The pointer > >to it came from the scientific section of a national newspaper. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > ```````````` > "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation." The point I'm usually trying to make is that there might be a lot less asthma around if more people practised breathing exercises - like pursed lips breathing. An attempt is needed to defuse asthma, not fear-mongering. Do we really want all athletes to be doped asthmatics some day? Richard Friedel >......... >> >I originally thought the item might be of general interest. The pointer [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> >The point I'm <S> usually </S> trying to make is that there might be a lot less >asthma around if more people practised breathing exercises - like pursed >lips breathing. Chicanery. Imbecile! Smarmy piece of sh.t... usually. You dumb bastard. ---= BOYCOTT FRENCH--GERMAN (belgium) =--- ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =--- Sheldon ```````````` "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation." >Imbecile! > >Smarmy piece of sh.t... usually. > >You dumb bastard. What a brilliant reflection. http://www.3rdeyeguidance.com/Mirror/welcome.html >---= BOYCOTT FRENCH--GERMAN (belgium) =--- > ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =--- >Sheldon >```````````` >"Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation." > Which, "The Hillybilly Hayseed"? With your kinda purpetual ignorant claptrap > you'd be a fine candidate for the "Asthma is a Mental Disease" poster boy... > of > course you'd incur plenty of competition from the rest of your asa mental > midget cohorts. My mother is claiming that asthma is caused by stress, so basically it's all in my head and I guess she's trying to say I should stop taking my meds, as I haven't died yet without them, despite the fact that if I'm not on them I've got virtually no endurance, never have, and even when as in shape as I get, would be beaten by a 400 lb person running across a parking lot for Krispy Kremes... >My mother is claiming that asthma is caused by stress, so basically it's all >in my head and I guess she's trying to say I should stop taking my meds, as >I haven't died yet without them, despite the fact that if I'm not on them >I've got virtually no endurance, never have, and even when as in shape as I >get, would be beaten by a 400 lb person running across a parking lot for >Krispy Kremes... Just smile tolerantly at her and ignore what she says. Some people are immune to facts and it is just not worth trying to teach them. -- There can be no triumph without loss. No victory without suffering. No freedom without sacrifice. Hypophysis? What ironly. |
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