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asthma and endotoxin and list of banned Ozone Machines
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joe - 28 May 2006 19:58 GMT Exposure to endotoxin, a bacterial substance found commonly in outdoor and indoor air, makes mite-allergic asthmatics more sensitive to house dust and may place them at increased risk of asthma attack
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/12/031210073755.htm
list is here
http://www.arb.ca.gov/research/indoor/o3g-list.htm
and consumer reports
http://www.arb.ca.gov/research/indoor/cr-05-2005.pdf
allergyrelief@gmail.com - 29 May 2006 09:54 GMT Hi Joe,
I took the time to read your post. Please take the time to read mine. I will post only facts, no opinions.
First off, the article (written in 2003) mentions that "ozone" is a trigger of asthma and endotoxin. That in itself is a joke. Ozone is found at ALL times in our air. We would all be dead without it. It's the AMOUNT may or may not cause these problems.
Yes, Ozone machines are banned in Canada. Much of the controversy behind Ozone stems from research done many many years ago. Right now Kansas State University and other top research teams are investigating ozone in use for residential homes. Ozone is a hot topic. In a rush judgment the legislative branch in Canada has banned all ozone purifiers. (I am sure this will be reversed).
Here is something real funny. The link you supplied (http://www.arb.ca.gov/research/indoor/o3g-list.htm) has Alpine Industries XL-15 purifier as banned in Canada. Remember, Canada banned all Ozone purifiers, without testing to see if they are safe.
I don't know if you live in the USA. But, this same company that supposedly has "bad" products in Canada, has great products in the USA. The US Pentagon uses Alpine air purifiers! Click to read: https://www.secure-session.com/files/5/916650/455216561/F16A9C8714/i/Pentagon%20 letter%20original.pdf
Here's the kicker, you ready for this. The same "banned" product improved the air quality in the US Pentagon! This makes no sense, Canada banned them. The Pentagon loved them! Go figure. Don't take my words for it. Read the letter yourself: https://www.secure-session.com/files/6/916650/608268926/0A7A9FD166/i/Pentagon_Fo llowup.pdf
You know why there haven't been any new reports on the positive aspects on Ozone?
In America is costs MILLIONS of dollars to get anything peer-reviewed and fully studied by scientific professionals. Who is going to pay that?
Finally it is happening!!
Kansas State University has a level 3 bio lab, and they are able to perform real life testing. They are conducting testing and they published a PROFESSIONAL report on Ozone: http://fss.k-state.edu/research/whitepprs/Franken20051103.pdf -- Funny, they disagree with CANADA and the EPA!
Further the head researcher at Kansas State University is on record. View his comments:
Dr. Marsden answers the question, "Is Ozone Bad for you?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33dU4zPzpFo
The Unknown Truth Regarding Ozone! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ydb2_pyZeJk
It's a great thing that our company's technology is NOT dependent on ozone. And yes, in we are in Canada too! http://www.ecoquestintl.com/canada_products/fresh_air.asp
I just had to throw this in. Dr. Laura is a user of this great product. What does that mean? You can listen to Dr. Laura (http://Drlaura.com)and Mike Jackson explain this great technology: http://playaudio-234.com/play.asp?m=290461&f=ZISRYO&ps=7&p=1
Last but not least, Harvard Senior Lecturer, Dr. Harriet A. Burge, Ph.D. is also quoted as stating that she "no hesitation about using them in my own home". Read it for yourself: http://www.sharperimage.com/SharperImageIonicResponse.html#harriet
Doesn't stop there, UC Irvine was upset with Robert Britt (who wrote a similar article to the 2003 one you posted). They are quoted as saying, "I am just as disappointed as you are about the inaccuracies in Mr. Britt's article." (Full statement here: http://www.sharperimage.com/SharperImageIonicResponse.html#letter)
If these types of purifiers are good enough for UC Irvine, a Harvard Ph.D and a Regents Distinguished Professor who is counsel to the Unites States congress, I guess they are safe for my home as well. :0
PS: Canada has much more to worry about that Ozone air purifers causing harm. On the front cover of the Ottawa Sun reads the following headline: The Air We Breathe, The Air We Breathe: http://www.ottawasun.com/News/National/2006/05/28/1601792-sun.html - Maybe they should get the purifiers that US Gov't uses ;)
===========-------------------==============------------------========= PS: Not to mention all of talk about "bad ozone" comes strictly from the EPA. This is NOT the first time the EPA has mislead us. Remember this? http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/08/09/national/main567489.shtml
Judge Blasts EPA! http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/02/02/health/main1276366.shtml ===========-------------------==============------------------=========
> Exposure to endotoxin, a bacterial substance found commonly in outdoor and > indoor air, makes mite-allergic asthmatics more sensitive to house dust and [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > http://www.arb.ca.gov/research/indoor/cr-05-2005.pdf jacastillo@gmail.com - 29 May 2006 10:20 GMT Here are some other video's for your review:
EcoQuest Air Purification featured on CBS News! GREAT VIDEO!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHLkfdWH7Ec
Space Foundation Honors EcoQuest International (ONLY PURIFIER IN THE WORLD THAT USES TECHNOLOGY THAT CLEANS THE SPACE SHUTTLE!!) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIm-mP9OF1E
Dr. Marsden on the safety of the EcoQuest Purifier. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3noyHesbeTA
Studies Support EcoQuest Technologies http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKZx_RWjlDI
sherrybove@gmail.com - 29 May 2006 10:29 GMT Asthma study uses thermal energy to free up air supply
Breathless Boston asthma sufferers are among a handful in the world who are undergoing a radical new treatment that attacks the very airways that make it hard for people to breathe.
The new method, bronchial thermoplasty, reopens an asthmatic's airways by attacking muscle that has hardened over the years, shrunken their air tubes and slowed air flow.
Doctors insert a long tube called a bronchoscope through the mouth and into the lungs. The tube emits thermal energy into the lungs, heating hardened muscle to such a temperature that it destroys the muscle and opens up air tubes. The noninvasive outpatient procedure doesn't require general anesthesia.
It's a departure from the norm, which is to ease symptoms with daily medication and emergency inhalers.
For complete detail:- http://epsdrugstore.com/5-29eps3.htm
> Here are some other video's for your review: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Studies Support EcoQuest Technologies > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKZx_RWjlDI aroberts - 29 May 2006 14:18 GMT No matter how many names you post under, you're spamming here. Not to mention that ozone air cleaners are useless.
> Asthma study uses thermal energy to free up air supply > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >> Studies Support EcoQuest Technologies >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKZx_RWjlDI jacastillo@gmail.com - 30 May 2006 05:15 GMT Hi,
Thanks for your input. Well, the US Pentagon didn't agree with you. https://www.secure-session.com/files/6/916650/608268926/0A7A9FD166/i/Pentagon_Fo llowup.pdf
Allergy Relief
aroberts - 31 May 2006 02:03 GMT > Hi, > > Thanks for your input. Well, the US Pentagon didn't agree with you. > https://www.secure-session.com/files/6/916650/608268926/0A7A9FD166/i/Pentagon_Fo llowup.pdf > > Allergy Relief Did you notice that stamp that said that it was not for reprint, and didn't constitute an endorsement? You obviously aren't to be trusted.
aroberts - 31 May 2006 04:50 GMT > Hi, > > Thanks for your input. Well, the US Pentagon didn't agree with you. > https://www.secure-session.com/files/6/916650/608268926/0A7A9FD166/i/Pentagon_Fo llowup.pdf > > Allergy Relief However, the FTC does agree, and they're the ones who count. I'll give them your regards.
http://www.mlmwatch.org/04C/Alpine/alpine.html
Allergy Relief - 31 May 2006 09:52 GMT Hi again,
Again, this is an old case. But more importantly, how come the FTC has YET to question the saftey of the products?
What are they waiting for? Surely, they would have by now?
> > Hi, > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > http://www.mlmwatch.org/04C/Alpine/alpine.html allergyrelief@gmail.com - 30 May 2006 05:28 GMT Hi arobert,
Thanks for taking the time to join in.
This information is extremely revelant to those suffering from Asthma's. While I understand that you are misinformed to believe that the effectivness of certain products do not work, others might find this information useful. It's not like I am posting info regarding the Indy 500 race ;)
In all, the US Pentagon strongly disagree's with your comments: https://www.secure-session.com/files/6/916650/608268926/0A7A9FD166/i/Pentagon_Fo llowup.pdf
Back in 2001, Alpine sold air purifiers that used low level ozone. The pentagon still uses them today.
Regards Allergy Relief
allergyrelief@gmail.com - 30 May 2006 05:36 GMT Hi arobert,
Thanks for taking the time to join in.
This information is extremely revelant to those suffering from asthma. While I understand that you are misinformed to believe that the effectivness of certain products do not work, others might find this information useful. It's not like I am posting info regarding the Indy 500 race ;)
In all, the US Pentagon strongly disagree's with your comments: https://www.secure-session.com/files/6/916650/608268926/0A7A9FD166/i/Pentagon_Fo llowup.pdf
Back in 2001, Alpine sold air purifiers that used low level ozone. The pentagon still uses them today.
On a side note, radio host Dr Laura (http://www.drlaura.com) loves her EcoQuest equipment. She lives out there in that great state of CA, which seems to be banning many products. (People who are looking for advanced technology should know it's out there.) http://playaudio-234.com/play.asp?m=290461&f=ZISRYO&ps=7&p=1
Regards Allergy Relief
aroberts - 31 May 2006 02:01 GMT > Hi arobert, > > Thanks for taking the time to join in. We'll see...
> This information is extremely revelant to those suffering from > asthma. You're wrong. I have asthma, and such sales pitches are more irritating than informative. You seem to post more than those of us who actually have asthma; but then you're a spammer.
>While I understand that you are misinformed to believe that > the effectivness of certain products do not work, others might find > this information useful. "...the effectiveness of certain products do not work..."
Well put, I'm sure.
It's not like I am posting info regarding the
> Indy 500 race ;) I'm quite certain that makes no sense to anyone but you. Even after all this time, you haven't learned how to communicate. What a terrible deficit for a spammer.
aroberts - 31 May 2006 04:43 GMT > Hi arobert, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > this information useful. It's not like I am posting info regarding the > Indy 500 race ;) From the American Lung Association, 2006:
http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=50328
May 11, 2006 -- Ozone generators create home smog:
Air Purifiers That Produce Ozone May Be Hurting Your Health
http://www.webmd.com/content/article/122/114532.htm
joe - 29 May 2006 15:58 GMT Maybe you need to read ...Canada does not have CA.GOV extension...........Ca.gov is in good ol' USA...
yes we have a lot of Good products here many of whom are made by "scammers" like Ecoquest a spinoff of Alpine
and you mean the People of USA against Ecoquest http://www.ftc.gov/////os/2000/04/alpinepetition.pdf
never said Ozone triggers endotoxin.......please read ..."endotoxin triggers Asthma attacks"
Maybe the Kansas State University should concenrate on how to stop Tornadoes... so to stop stiring up the dust that could trigger ashtma.......
so you are saying OZONE is good for people..who is you scientist again''
the companies you mentioned like Alpine against FTC http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2000/04/alpineindustries2.htm and http://www.alaw.org/air_quality/indoor_air_quality/ozone_generatiors.html and http://www.consumeraffairs.com/health/alpine.html
you mean you are one of Alpines MLM which one are you the TOP DOG
Maybe you need to read http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/ozone/
http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npg/npgd0476.html funny how the CDC's FIRST AID to Ozone is "breathing Fresh Air".....
or maybe we all should stop listening to all Government people http://www.osha.gov/dts/chemicalsampling/data/CH_259300.html
so you can run to your local hospital and say the government did not warn me........about Ozone
or go to http://hazmap.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/hazmap_generic?tbl=TblAgents&id=68
http://www.oehha.ca.gov/air/acute_rels/pdf/10028156A.pdf
Oh yes off-course Canada Banned without testing.....now why the redundunsy when there are so many research done already..you mean you want another customer to buy your OZONE product and do research to contradict another claim so to by again your product to test....
Of course the Pentagon USES ozone generator... Ozone generator is the only way to remove smoke damage after 911...look at the date "26 September 2001"......all Fire fighters and fire recovery uses ozone generator to remove smoke damage.(well at least cover them up) ....maybe you should ask them ...if they where around when the ozone generator was on.....
please do your research............who sponsored the research on Kansas State University? oh that is right your company...that is right it is finally happening you bribing a universtity to give out false claims about Ozone generators .....did Laurence Franken, M.S. your researcher graduate from University of Nigeria
did'nt Laurence Franken, M.S.cite that high levels of Ozone is dangerous.....so you are saying that your company is offering two for one deal for your Ozone generator......Buy Ozone generator and get and Ozone meter free so you will know when to turn off the unit when Ozone levels are up.....
isn't this part of his research........
"Ozone is a strong oxidizer that will accelerate the degradation of rubber, upholstery, paints, and other materials. Thus, even when used in unoccupied areas, ozone generators can cause damage to building materials and electronic devices ("Hazards of ozone", 1998)." Typically, restoration companies which use high level ozone generators recommend covering of household product that might be affected by the ozone.
so now you are offering three for one purchase......Buy Ozone generator and get and Ozone meter free so you will know when to turn off the unit when Ozone levels are up.....and a crew of people to cover up the the household products to protect against Ozone
oh yes EPA made a mistake on 911 "a very stressfull day" I agree...... but very sure they did not make a mistake on your product."ozone Generator" during calm conditions when they can test without stress.......EPA was not trained for Stressfull days....."mistakes will be done"
>In a rush judgment the legislative branch in Canada has banned all ozone > purifiers. (I am sure this will be reversed). yes it will be reversed in a million years......when we are starting to breathe smoke
> I will post only facts, no opinions. I thought you will only post Facts.....but are they all paid opinions from your company and paid researchers
now I am curios what your claims are now...........are you not in contempt of court....by making false claims again...........
maybe you can use your product at third world countries..you can bribe the governtment there that your product is very good....you know they still use wood to cook....smoke flows thru the house......oh on second thought they cannot use your product ...they need electricity first
> Hi Joe, > [quoted text clipped - 108 lines] >> >> http://www.arb.ca.gov/research/indoor/cr-05-2005.pdf allergyrelief@gmail.com - 29 May 2006 22:31 GMT Hi Joe,
I understand your frustration.
Yes, EcoQuest International is sponsoring the study. That doesn't mean that the university is going to LIE to support EQ. Come on, that would be crazy. A regents distinguished professor would LIE to benefit a company he doesn't work for?
Second, no one argues that HIGH level of ozone can harm someone. Anything in high concentrations can harm them. You are saying that ALL ozone is BAD.
If that was the case, would is the EQ technology being installed in local schools! EcoQuest installing air purifiers throughout the entire Greeneville, TN School System. http://www.ecoquestintl.com/email/pdfs/EQSchools_042206.pdf (The article even states that EQ purifier REDUCE the level of ozone in the air. Awesome!)
Again Harvard Senior Lecturer, Dr. Harriet A. Burge, Ph.D. is also quoted as stating that she "no hesitation about using them in my own home". Read it for yourself: http://www.sharperimage.com/SharperImageIonicResponse.html#harriet (Someone should tell her they are bad. What does she know, she only teachers at Harvard ;)
Third, the pentagon uses our purification systems all day long. As does, the 9/11 Museum (http://www.groundzeromuseumworkshop.com/lh.htm), Day Care's (http://www.whptv.com//mediacenter/default.aspx?videoId=94941).
I knew you were going to bring up an OLD court case against Alpine. Yes, at the time Alpine didn't have the studies that the Gov't requested. BUT HERE IS SOMETHING to think about. Recent studies published by Kansas State University have shared how Fresh Air by EcoQuest has scientific substantiation at the highest University-testing levels for a reduction of microbes on surfaces. This is very important news. How many times has someone asked you what happens to air pollution contaminants after they leave the air? This study shows that Fresh Air can reduce microbes from 90% to 99.99% on surfaces! http://fss.k-state.edu/research/reports/OrtegaFrankenHatesohlMarsden200510.pdf
What is ozone? What is the role of ozone outdoors and indoors? Get the facts! Download the Truth ABout Ozone bulletin (PDF). http://www.ecoquestintl.com/dlrdown/freshair_o3option.pdf
The mainstream press is beginning to understand the difference between ozone generators and technologies that use trace, natural levels of ozone. MSNBC recently placed a correction on a news story they had done on ozone and air purifiers. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12707280/from/ET/
HERE"S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT: Why didn't the Gov't question the SAFTEY of the products? Hmm, because they couldn't, because the purifiers are safe! Don't tell me they forgot to question the safety of the products! Only those who DO NOT understand how this technology works, try to knock it by comparing us to ozone generators, hence: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12707280/from/ET/
Ok, now back to 2006. We DO NOT RELY ON OZONE ANYMORE!
Our units use a process called Radiant Catalytic Ionization (RCI), which combines high intensity UVX light with a patent-pending multi-metallic coating to produce super oxide ions and hydro-peroxides, which reduce airborne contaminants and odors.
This RCI technology is accepted in the field as a proven method, http://news.spacefoundation.org/printable.cfm?releaseid=78C53360-FB93-1F99-8B178 36D4A156041
Like it or not, EcoQuest will continue to lead the field in Air Purification:
KSU, EcoQuest Team to Advance Ionization for Food Safety http://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/hotnews/65h5833061772.html
EcoQuest at forefront of clean air technology for last 20 years... http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/Story.asp?Article=143927&Sn=BNEW&IssueID=29060
Grand Hyatt approves air purification system http://www.tradearabia.com/tanews/newsdetails_snENV_article105259_cnt.html
Method combines ozone and ionization to kill pathogens http://www.foodproductiondaily-usa.com/news/ng.asp?n=68010-ozone-ionization-pathogens
In the article, "Method combines ozone and ionization to kill pathogens", it states, "The levels of ozone are very low in terms of standards set by the Occupational Safety and Health Administration and the Food and Drug Administration, he said."
LOWER THAN THE APPROVED LIMIT!
I will let the professionals who study Ozone to challenge EcoQuest and the research team at Kansas State University. Not old and outdated reference material.
Looking at your website I noticed that you are in the air purification field. So you have a vested interest in trying to knock other products. Go figure!
PS: Wow, you said that the EPA had a bad day! The judge is quoted as saying the actions were, "conscience-shocking"! http://www.wnbc.com/news/6689847/detail.html
In fact, the judge went on to say, "No reasonable person would have thought that telling thousands of people that it was safe to return to lower Manhattan, while knowing that such return could pose long-term health risks and other dire consequences, was conduct sanctioned by our laws," U.S. District Judge Deborah A. Batts wrote.
Maybe the EPA didn't care about health. Maybe they were more concerned if Wall Street was back and running!
Not only has that, the EPA evens stated that they "gave misleading assurances there was no health risk from the dust in the air after the towers' collapse." This is NOT a bad day, this was an apparent LIE!
This is ALSO not the first time the EPA has had trouble. EPA Scientist Blasts EPA's Safe Drinking Water Standard for Fluoride http://flouridealert.com/carton-affidavit.htm
It appears that the EPA will post info to the highest bidder on their website.
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