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asthma and endotoxin and  list of banned Ozone Machines

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joe - 28 May 2006 19:58 GMT
Exposure to endotoxin, a bacterial substance found commonly in outdoor and
indoor air, makes mite-allergic asthmatics more sensitive to house dust and
may place them at increased risk of asthma attack

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/12/031210073755.htm

list is here

http://www.arb.ca.gov/research/indoor/o3g-list.htm

and consumer reports

http://www.arb.ca.gov/research/indoor/cr-05-2005.pdf
allergyrelief@gmail.com - 29 May 2006 09:54 GMT
Hi Joe,

I took the time to read your post.  Please take the time to read mine.
I will post only facts, no opinions.

First off,  the article (written in 2003) mentions that "ozone" is a
trigger of asthma and endotoxin.  That in itself is a joke.  Ozone is
found at ALL times in our air.  We would all be dead without it.  It's
the AMOUNT may or may not cause these problems.

Yes, Ozone machines are banned in Canada.  Much of the controversy
behind Ozone stems from research done many many years ago.  Right now
Kansas State University and other top research teams are investigating
ozone in use for residential homes. Ozone is a hot topic.  In a rush
judgment the legislative branch in Canada has banned all ozone
purifiers.  (I am sure this will be reversed).

Here is something real funny.  The link you supplied
(http://www.arb.ca.gov/research/indoor/o3g-list.htm) has Alpine
Industries XL-15 purifier as banned in Canada.  Remember, Canada banned
all Ozone purifiers, without testing to see if they are safe.

I don't know if you live in the USA.  But, this same company that
supposedly has "bad" products in Canada, has great products in the USA.
The US Pentagon uses Alpine air purifiers!  Click to read:
https://www.secure-session.com/files/5/916650/455216561/F16A9C8714/i/Pentagon%20
letter%20original.pdf


Here's the kicker, you ready for this.  The same "banned" product
improved the air quality in the US Pentagon!   This makes no sense,
Canada banned them.  The Pentagon loved them! Go figure. Don't take my
words for it.  Read the letter yourself:
https://www.secure-session.com/files/6/916650/608268926/0A7A9FD166/i/Pentagon_Fo
llowup.pdf


You know why there haven't been any new reports on the positive
aspects on Ozone?

In America is costs MILLIONS of dollars to get anything peer-reviewed
and fully studied by scientific professionals.  Who is going to pay
that?

Finally it is happening!!

Kansas State University has a level 3 bio lab, and they are able to
perform real life testing.  They are conducting testing and they
published a PROFESSIONAL report on Ozone:
http://fss.k-state.edu/research/whitepprs/Franken20051103.pdf  --
Funny, they disagree with CANADA and the EPA!

Further the head researcher at Kansas State University is on record.
View his comments:

Dr. Marsden answers the question, "Is Ozone Bad for you?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33dU4zPzpFo

The Unknown Truth Regarding Ozone!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ydb2_pyZeJk

It's a great thing that our company's technology is NOT dependent on
ozone.   And yes, in we are in Canada too!
http://www.ecoquestintl.com/canada_products/fresh_air.asp

I just had to throw this in.  Dr. Laura is a user of this great
product.  What does that mean?  You can listen to Dr. Laura
(http://Drlaura.com)and Mike Jackson explain this great technology:
http://playaudio-234.com/play.asp?m=290461&f=ZISRYO&ps=7&p=1

Last but not least, Harvard Senior Lecturer, Dr. Harriet A. Burge,
Ph.D. is also quoted as stating that she "no hesitation about using
them in my own home". Read it for yourself:
http://www.sharperimage.com/SharperImageIonicResponse.html#harriet

Doesn't stop there, UC Irvine was upset with Robert Britt (who wrote a
similar article to the 2003 one you posted). They are
quoted as saying, "I am just as disappointed as you are about the
inaccuracies in Mr. Britt's article." (Full statement here:
http://www.sharperimage.com/SharperImageIonicResponse.html#letter)

If these types of purifiers are good enough for UC Irvine, a Harvard
Ph.D and a Regents Distinguished Professor who is counsel to the Unites
States congress, I guess they are safe for my home as well. :0

PS: Canada has much more to worry about that Ozone air purifers causing
harm.  On the front cover of the Ottawa Sun reads the following
headline: The Air We Breathe, The Air We Breathe:
http://www.ottawasun.com/News/National/2006/05/28/1601792-sun.html -
Maybe they should get the purifiers that US Gov't uses ;)

===========-------------------==============------------------=========
PS: Not to mention all of talk about "bad ozone" comes strictly from
the EPA.  This is NOT the first time the EPA has mislead us.  Remember
this?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/08/09/national/main567489.shtml

Judge Blasts EPA!
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/02/02/health/main1276366.shtml
===========-------------------==============------------------=========

> Exposure to endotoxin, a bacterial substance found commonly in outdoor and
> indoor air, makes mite-allergic asthmatics more sensitive to house dust and
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>
> http://www.arb.ca.gov/research/indoor/cr-05-2005.pdf
jacastillo@gmail.com - 29 May 2006 10:20 GMT
Here are some other video's for your review:

EcoQuest Air Purification featured on CBS News! GREAT VIDEO!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHLkfdWH7Ec

Space Foundation Honors EcoQuest International (ONLY PURIFIER IN THE
WORLD THAT USES TECHNOLOGY THAT CLEANS THE SPACE SHUTTLE!!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIm-mP9OF1E

Dr. Marsden on the safety of the EcoQuest Purifier.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3noyHesbeTA

Studies Support EcoQuest Technologies
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKZx_RWjlDI
sherrybove@gmail.com - 29 May 2006 10:29 GMT
Asthma study uses thermal energy to free up air supply

Breathless Boston asthma sufferers are among a handful in the world who
are undergoing a radical new treatment that attacks the very airways
that make it hard for people to breathe.

The new method, bronchial thermoplasty, reopens an asthmatic's
airways by attacking muscle that has hardened over the years, shrunken
their air tubes and slowed air flow.

       Doctors insert a long tube called a bronchoscope through the
mouth and into the lungs. The tube emits thermal energy into the lungs,
heating hardened muscle to such a temperature that it destroys the
muscle and opens up air tubes. The noninvasive outpatient procedure
doesn't require general anesthesia.

       It's a departure from the norm, which is to ease symptoms
with daily medication and emergency inhalers.

For complete detail:-
http://epsdrugstore.com/5-29eps3.htm

> Here are some other video's for your review:
>
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> Studies Support EcoQuest Technologies
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKZx_RWjlDI
aroberts - 29 May 2006 14:18 GMT
No matter how many names you post under, you're spamming here.  Not to
mention that ozone air cleaners are useless.

> Asthma study uses thermal energy to free up air supply
>
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>> Studies Support EcoQuest Technologies
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKZx_RWjlDI
jacastillo@gmail.com - 30 May 2006 05:15 GMT
Hi,

Thanks for your input.  Well, the US Pentagon didn't agree with you.
https://www.secure-session.com/files/6/916650/608268926/0A7A9FD166/i/Pentagon_Fo
llowup.pdf


Allergy Relief
aroberts - 31 May 2006 02:03 GMT
> Hi,
>
> Thanks for your input.  Well, the US Pentagon didn't agree with you.
> https://www.secure-session.com/files/6/916650/608268926/0A7A9FD166/i/Pentagon_Fo
llowup.pdf

>
> Allergy Relief

Did you notice that stamp that said that it was not for reprint, and didn't
constitute an endorsement?  You obviously aren't to be trusted.
aroberts - 31 May 2006 04:50 GMT
> Hi,
>
> Thanks for your input.  Well, the US Pentagon didn't agree with you.
> https://www.secure-session.com/files/6/916650/608268926/0A7A9FD166/i/Pentagon_Fo
llowup.pdf

>
> Allergy Relief

However, the FTC does agree, and they're the ones who count. I'll give them
your regards.

http://www.mlmwatch.org/04C/Alpine/alpine.html
Allergy Relief - 31 May 2006 09:52 GMT
Hi again,

Again, this is an old case.  But more importantly, how come the FTC has
YET to question the saftey of the products?

What are they waiting for?  Surely, they would have by now?

> > Hi,
> >
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> http://www.mlmwatch.org/04C/Alpine/alpine.html
allergyrelief@gmail.com - 30 May 2006 05:28 GMT
Hi arobert,

Thanks for taking the time to join in.

This information is extremely revelant to those suffering from
Asthma's.  While I understand that you are misinformed to believe that
the effectivness of certain products do not work, others might find
this information useful.  It's not like I am posting info regarding the
Indy 500 race ;)

In all, the US Pentagon strongly disagree's with your comments:
https://www.secure-session.com/files/6/916650/608268926/0A7A9FD166/i/Pentagon_Fo
llowup.pdf


Back in 2001, Alpine sold air purifiers that used low level ozone.  The
pentagon still uses them today.

Regards
Allergy Relief
allergyrelief@gmail.com - 30 May 2006 05:36 GMT
Hi arobert,

Thanks for taking the time to join in.

This information is extremely revelant to those suffering from
asthma.  While I understand that you are misinformed to believe that
the effectivness of certain products do not work, others might find
this information useful.  It's not like I am posting info regarding the
Indy 500 race ;)

In all, the US Pentagon strongly disagree's with your comments:
https://www.secure-session.com/files/6/916650/608268926/0A7A9FD166/i/Pentagon_Fo
llowup.pdf


Back in 2001, Alpine sold air purifiers that used low level ozone.  The
pentagon still uses them today.

On a side note, radio host Dr Laura (http://www.drlaura.com) loves her
EcoQuest equipment.  She lives out there in that great state of CA,
which seems to be banning many products.  (People who are looking for
advanced technology should know it's out there.)
http://playaudio-234.com/play.asp?m=290461&f=ZISRYO&ps=7&p=1

Regards
Allergy Relief
aroberts - 31 May 2006 02:01 GMT
> Hi arobert,
>
> Thanks for taking the time to join in.

We'll see...

> This information is extremely revelant to those suffering from
> asthma.

You're wrong.  I have asthma, and such sales pitches are more irritating
than informative.  You seem to post more than those of us who actually have
asthma; but then you're a spammer.

>While I understand that you are misinformed to believe that
> the effectivness of certain products do not work, others might find
> this information useful.

"...the effectiveness of certain products do not work..."

Well put, I'm sure.

It's not like I am posting info regarding the
> Indy 500 race ;)

I'm quite certain that  makes no sense to anyone but you.  Even after all
this time, you haven't learned how to communicate.  What a terrible deficit
for a spammer.
aroberts - 31 May 2006 04:43 GMT
> Hi arobert,
>
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> this information useful.  It's not like I am posting info regarding the
> Indy 500 race ;)

From the American Lung Association, 2006:

http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=50328

May 11, 2006 -- Ozone generators create home smog:

Air Purifiers That Produce Ozone May Be Hurting Your Health

http://www.webmd.com/content/article/122/114532.htm
joe - 29 May 2006 15:58 GMT
Maybe you need to read ...Canada does not have CA.GOV
extension...........Ca.gov is in good ol' USA...

yes we have a lot of Good products here many of whom are made by "scammers"
like Ecoquest a spinoff of Alpine

and you mean the People of USA against Ecoquest
http://www.ftc.gov/////os/2000/04/alpinepetition.pdf

never said Ozone triggers endotoxin.......please read ..."endotoxin triggers
Asthma attacks"

Maybe the Kansas State University should concenrate on how to stop
Tornadoes... so to stop stiring up the dust that could trigger ashtma.......

so you are saying OZONE is good for people..who is you scientist again''

the companies you mentioned  like Alpine against  FTC
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2000/04/alpineindustries2.htm
and
http://www.alaw.org/air_quality/indoor_air_quality/ozone_generatiors.html
   and http://www.consumeraffairs.com/health/alpine.html

you mean you are one of Alpines MLM which one are you the TOP DOG

Maybe you need to read http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/ozone/

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npg/npgd0476.html    funny how the CDC's FIRST AID
to Ozone is "breathing Fresh Air".....

or maybe we all should stop listening to all Government people
http://www.osha.gov/dts/chemicalsampling/data/CH_259300.html

so you can run to your local hospital and say the government did not warn
me........about Ozone

or go to
http://hazmap.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/hazmap_generic?tbl=TblAgents&id=68

http://www.oehha.ca.gov/air/acute_rels/pdf/10028156A.pdf

Oh yes off-course Canada Banned without testing.....now why the redundunsy
when there are so many research done already..you mean you want another
customer to buy your OZONE product and do research to contradict another
claim so to by again your product to test....

Of course the Pentagon USES ozone generator... Ozone generator is the only
way to remove smoke damage after 911...look at the date "26 September
2001"......all Fire fighters and fire recovery uses ozone generator to
remove smoke damage.(well at least cover them up) ....maybe you should ask
them ...if they where around when the ozone generator was on.....

please do your research............who sponsored the research on Kansas
State University? oh that is right your company...that is right it is
finally happening you bribing a universtity to give out false claims about
Ozone generators .....did Laurence Franken, M.S. your researcher graduate
from University of Nigeria

did'nt Laurence Franken, M.S.cite that high levels of Ozone is
dangerous.....so you are saying that your company is offering two for one
deal for your Ozone generator......Buy Ozone generator and get and Ozone
meter free so you will know when to turn off the unit when Ozone levels are
up.....

isn't this part of his research........

"Ozone is a strong oxidizer that will accelerate the degradation of rubber,
upholstery, paints, and other materials. Thus, even when used in unoccupied
areas, ozone generators can cause damage to building materials and
electronic devices ("Hazards of ozone", 1998)." Typically, restoration
companies which use high level ozone generators recommend covering of
household product that might be affected by the ozone.

so now you are offering three for one purchase......Buy Ozone generator and
get and Ozone meter free so you will know when to turn off the unit when
Ozone levels are up.....and a crew of people to cover up the the household
products to protect against Ozone

oh yes EPA made a mistake on 911 "a very stressfull day" I agree...... but
very sure they did not make a mistake on your product."ozone Generator"
during calm conditions when they can test without stress.......EPA was not
trained for Stressfull days....."mistakes will be done"

>In a rush judgment the legislative branch in Canada has banned all ozone
> purifiers.  (I am sure this will be reversed).

yes it will be reversed in a million years......when we are starting to
breathe smoke

> I will post only facts, no opinions.
I thought you will only post Facts.....but are they all paid opinions from
your company and paid researchers

now I am curios what your claims are now...........are you not in contempt
of court....by making false claims again...........

maybe you can use your product at third world countries..you can bribe the
governtment there that your product is very good....you know they still use
wood to cook....smoke flows thru the house......oh on second thought they
cannot use your product ...they need electricity first

> Hi Joe,
>
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>>
>> http://www.arb.ca.gov/research/indoor/cr-05-2005.pdf
allergyrelief@gmail.com - 29 May 2006 22:31 GMT
Hi Joe,

I understand your frustration.

Yes, EcoQuest International is sponsoring the study.  That doesn't mean
that the university is going to LIE to support EQ. Come on, that would
be crazy. A regents distinguished professor would LIE to benefit a
company he doesn't work for?

Second,  no one argues that HIGH level of ozone can harm someone.
Anything in high concentrations can harm them.  You are saying that ALL
ozone is BAD.

If that was the case, would is the EQ technology being installed in
local schools!
EcoQuest installing air purifiers throughout the entire Greeneville, TN
School System.
http://www.ecoquestintl.com/email/pdfs/EQSchools_042206.pdf
(The article even states that EQ purifier REDUCE the level of ozone in
the air.  Awesome!)

Again Harvard Senior Lecturer, Dr. Harriet A. Burge, Ph.D. is also
quoted as stating that she "no hesitation about using them in my own
home". Read it for yourself:
http://www.sharperimage.com/SharperImageIonicResponse.html#harriet
(Someone should tell her they are bad. What does she know, she only
teachers at Harvard ;)

Third, the pentagon uses our purification systems all day long.  As
does, the 9/11 Museum (http://www.groundzeromuseumworkshop.com/lh.htm),
Day Care's
(http://www.whptv.com//mediacenter/default.aspx?videoId=94941).

I knew you were going to bring up an OLD court case against Alpine.
Yes, at the time Alpine didn't have the studies that the Gov't
requested.  BUT HERE IS SOMETHING to think about. Recent studies
published by Kansas State University have shared how Fresh Air by
EcoQuest has scientific substantiation at the highest
University-testing levels for a reduction of microbes on surfaces. This
is very important news. How many times has someone asked you what
happens to air pollution contaminants after they leave the air? This
study shows that Fresh Air can reduce microbes from 90% to 99.99% on
surfaces!
http://fss.k-state.edu/research/reports/OrtegaFrankenHatesohlMarsden200510.pdf

What is ozone? What is the role of ozone outdoors and indoors? Get the
facts!
Download the Truth ABout Ozone bulletin (PDF).
http://www.ecoquestintl.com/dlrdown/freshair_o3option.pdf

The mainstream press is beginning to understand the difference between
ozone generators and technologies that use trace, natural levels of
ozone. MSNBC recently placed a correction on a news story they had done
on ozone and air purifiers.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12707280/from/ET/

HERE"S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT:
Why didn't the Gov't question the SAFTEY of the products?  Hmm, because
they couldn't, because the purifiers are safe!  Don't tell me they
forgot to question the safety of the products!  Only those who DO NOT
understand how this technology works, try to knock it by comparing us
to ozone generators, hence:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12707280/from/ET/

Ok, now back to 2006.  We DO NOT RELY ON OZONE ANYMORE!

Our units use a process called Radiant Catalytic Ionization (RCI),
which combines high intensity UVX light with a patent-pending
multi-metallic coating to produce super oxide ions and hydro-peroxides,
which reduce airborne contaminants and odors.

This RCI technology is accepted in the field as a proven method,
http://news.spacefoundation.org/printable.cfm?releaseid=78C53360-FB93-1F99-8B178
36D4A156041


Like it or not, EcoQuest will continue to lead the field in Air
Purification:

KSU, EcoQuest Team to Advance Ionization for Food Safety
http://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/hotnews/65h5833061772.html

EcoQuest at forefront of clean air technology for last 20 years...
http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/Story.asp?Article=143927&Sn=BNEW&IssueID=29060

Grand Hyatt approves air purification system
http://www.tradearabia.com/tanews/newsdetails_snENV_article105259_cnt.html

Method combines ozone and ionization to kill pathogens
http://www.foodproductiondaily-usa.com/news/ng.asp?n=68010-ozone-ionization-pathogens

In the article, "Method combines ozone and ionization to kill
pathogens", it states, "The levels of ozone are very low in terms of
standards set by the Occupational Safety and Health Administration and
the Food and Drug Administration, he said."

LOWER THAN THE APPROVED LIMIT!

I will let the professionals who study Ozone to challenge EcoQuest and
the research team at Kansas State University.  Not old and outdated
reference material.

Looking at your website I noticed that you are in the air purification
field.  So you have a vested interest in trying to knock other
products. Go figure!

PS: Wow, you said that the EPA had a bad day!  The judge is quoted as
saying the actions were, "conscience-shocking"!
http://www.wnbc.com/news/6689847/detail.html

In fact, the judge went on to say, "No reasonable person would have
thought that telling thousands of people that it was safe to return to
lower Manhattan, while knowing that such return could pose long-term
health risks and other dire consequences, was conduct sanctioned by our
laws," U.S. District Judge Deborah A. Batts wrote.

Maybe the EPA didn't care about health.  Maybe they were more concerned
if Wall Street was back and running!

Not only has that, the EPA evens stated that they "gave misleading
assurances there was no health risk from the dust in the air after the
towers' collapse."
This is NOT a bad day, this was an apparent LIE!

This is ALSO not the first time the EPA has had trouble.
EPA Scientist Blasts EPA's Safe Drinking Water Standard for Fluoride
http://flouridealert.com/carton-affidavit.htm

It appears that the EPA will post info to the highest bidder on their
website.
 
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