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pinkrainbow - 03 May 2006 19:23 GMT
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pinkrainbow2004@yahoo.ca
Hi all, to be succinct, i seem to be going into adrenal failure, very
possibly as a misdiagnosis of asthma, and treated with steroids..details to
follow..it's a tad long, so if not interested, hit
next!..otherwise...thankyou for listening!
history:

-Diagnosed with asthma ,2 yearsago, after frequent bouts of bronchitis,
pneumonia, sob, but mostly wheezing, especially with environmental changes,
exercise, heat waves, etc... and consequent antibiotics.... on ventolin
short-acting inhaler, advair 500mg. twice a day.(and a ton of other stuff,
for pain, thyroid, sleep, etc

-Diagnosed with Addison's disease 4 months ago-my adrenal glands are
shut-down..not producing hormone cortisol, which is necessary to sustain
life, mainly for stress(fight or flight), infections,etc.
I requested referral to respirologist, who said i don't have asthma (based
on the pulmonary function tests, as i did not react to the
asthma-stimulating test(?name)..but,  i have narrowing of the vessels, so
cat scan was ordered to rule out emphysema, and/or COPD.

Question:the respirologist said the majority of patients referred by their
gp DO NOT have asthma...then he said the reason i have almost no serum
cortisol(the hormone the adrenal glands, above the kidneys)produce, was that
advair has a steroid component, which tells my body, 'i don't need to
produce cortisol anymore.'...and my adrenal's go into "shutdown"
..so he wants me off it..so he reduced the advair 500mg. to 100mg., starting
immediately...I was scarred of going into addisonian crisis,(the idea is, if
i am off Adair the steroid, my body will tell my adrenals to wake up and
start working)....i think it is too fast, as when i tried the 100mg.this
morning, it felt like nothing, and i am now wheezy, sob, esp. on exertion,
chest tightness...so i phoned him and requested a 'wean', he agreed, (but
within a month!.....250mg. for 2 weeks, then 100mg. for 2 weeks, then
nothing!)

Question- how long do you think is reasonable to wean off advair 500mg.,
after being on it for several years...(to complicate things further, my gp
still thinks i have asthma, just wasn't off the inhalers long enough when
the pulmonary f. tests were done..i was off 24 hours.)
Secondly-if he thinks i may have emphysema(God forbid!yikes!), wouldn't you
still need inhalers?..the cat scan will take months to get in..and i haven't
seen an endo yet..also my gp(main dr., is moving in august, and it is almost
impossible to get a gp in Toronto these days!)
Lastly, Addison's is treated with hydrocortisol(cortef), or
prednisone(synthetic..very strong, and in my opinion dangerous)..i am on
bioidentical hormonal therapy for menopause and hypothyroidism),...
I thought  cortef is a long-acting broncho-dilator AND
anti-inflammatory..this was my understanding...i am told, don't worry, when
you stop the inhalers, the cortef will start the adrenals up again, BUT, i
am NOT responding to this drug..my serum cortisol is still very, very
low...zero is addisonian crisis and possible death.
So if your asthmatic, i assume people are on steroid's, do other people not
run into my problem?

I am hoping, that someone here, may' have Addison's and asthma', and know
about the effect of these inhalers on the endocrine system, particularly the
adrenals.
By the way, i also have M.E.(CFS,CFIDS), fibromyalgia, ...perhaps a healthy
person wouldn't have developed these problems..?

So any suggestions, advice, tips, or any feedback at all, even if it telling
me off for bringing a sort-of 'off-topic, atypical post to your group..would
be appreciated...most of this stuff i have to figure out myself these past 4
months...knowledge is power, and if i hadn't seen that specialist, i may
have been treated as an asthmatic in inhalers the rest of my life!
or..perhaps someone else here, has heard of, or gone thru something similar.
Thanks for listening
pinkrainbow
tony broughton - 03 May 2006 21:13 GMT
I've been on advair-type steroid inhaler treatment for asthma for
years, I haven't had adrenal suppression AFAIK.

My lung specialist has told me in the past that inhaled steroid
is unlikely to have an adrenal suppressing effect because it's a
low dose (even 500 micrograms isn't a large dose compared to a single
prednisone tablet which is 5 grams, that's 10 times as much, and you
would perhaps take two or more tablets a day).  Furthermore he says
the inhaler localises the drug in the lungs, it's not really absorbed
into the rest of your body unlike tablets so it shouldn't have much
systemic effect.  Of course that might only apply to people who are
otherwise healthy.

I think you need to get a full diagnosis.  If you don't have asthma,
what is causing the wheezing when you cut down the steroid inhaler?
Can they give you an alternative to steroid inhaler for the wheeze?
For example, theophylline, bronchodilators, etc.  You could perhaps
ask about a new steroid inhaler called asmanex which the makers claim
has a smaller systemic effect than the advair, so it might not suppress
your adrenal system so much if that's what is happening.
You should definately ask your doc about it before you change anything
though, after all it might make it worse instead.

tony
tony broughton - 03 May 2006 22:35 GMT
> My lung specialist has told me in the past that inhaled steroid
> is unlikely to have an adrenal suppressing effect because it's a
> low dose (even 500 micrograms isn't a large dose compared to a single
> prednisone tablet which is 5 grams, that's 10 times as much, and you
> would perhaps take two or more tablets a day).

Oops!  Prednisone tabs are actually 5 milligrams not 5 grams(!),
sorry for the typo.  It is 10 times as much as 500 mcg of inhaler
though - at least by weight.
pinkrainbow - 05 May 2006 02:26 GMT
and apparently Cortef(hydrocortisone) that i take, as it is not a synthetic
like prednisone, is much less..it would take 5 , of the 5mcg hydrocortisone
tablets to=20mg prednisone!(and prednisone is a synthetic, while cortisol is
not!)
even so, he thinks it's enough!..go figure!

>> My lung specialist has told me in the past that inhaled steroid
>> is unlikely to have an adrenal suppressing effect because it's a
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> sorry for the typo.  It is 10 times as much as 500 mcg of inhaler
> though - at least by weight.
pinkrainbow - 05 May 2006 02:15 GMT
well my gp think i do have asthma, just wasn't off the advair long enough
before the pulmonary function tests(24 hours)...
the respirologist says i don't have asthma based on the pulmonary function
tests! Why this respirologist didn't agree with your lung specialist i don't
know..i am in Toronto..i would think it would be a standard thing???..
i just believed him, figured he's the specialist, but he was too smug,
too,"don't ask me any questions, if i don't think you have asthma"-kinda
guy...however, he said i had narrowing, so he ordered a cat scan(i think to
cover himself), and said i may have emphysema..then..out the door..i still
had a question!..."How does the advair tell the adrenals to stop making
cortisol?....'Gone with the wind!".
also, tomorrow i am having an adrenal function test, called a acth stim
test, where they inject the hormone, and then take blood for several
intervals afterwards, to see if they can 'make the body secrete the
cortisol(adrenal hormone)..so, more information...

I did phone the repsirologist back, and asked for a slow wean, as opposed to
abrupt...he agreed, but wants a quick one..within a month!
Thanks for your help...now i know more!..especially regarding another
inhaler with less/no systemic effects..thanks a lot! good luck
pinkrainbow

i may have had adrenal insufficiency for some time, as i have cfids(chronic
fatigue immune dysfunction, or m.e.)..perhaps predisposing me to the inhaler
doing this...
> I've been on advair-type steroid inhaler treatment for asthma for
> years, I haven't had adrenal suppression AFAIK.
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> tony
SJF - 10 May 2006 21:39 GMT
> well my gp think i do have asthma, just wasn't off the advair long enough
> before the pulmonary function tests(24 hours)...

Well, this sounds logical to me.

Many years ago, when my asthma was poorly controlled most of the time, my
internist sent me to the respiratory technician for the full standard tests.
Then I had one of my frequent remissions and everything including the
respiratory challenge and the broncodialator tests showed normal, but we all
knew better.  The thing is that these tests are pretty good indicators if
you are currently in an asthmatic state but not otherwise.  Stated
otherwise, they are a good positive indicator but an uncertain negative
indicator.

SJF
Jason - 04 May 2006 00:34 GMT
> Newbie:(as of today!)
> pinkrainbow2004@yahoo.ca
[quoted text clipped - 65 lines]
> Thanks for listening
> pinkrainbow

You should ask your doctor to refer you to refer you to an
Endocrinologist. An Endocrinologist specializes in treating disorders of
the endocrine glands of the body. Perhaps he or she could figure out the
best way to treat you. The only book that I could find related to Adrenal
problems is:
"Adrenal Fatigue" by James L. Wilson, Ph.D. Foreward by Johnathan Wright, M.D.
Hang in there--it must be frustrating to have to deal with so many
different medical problems at the same time. I hope that you find the
solutions that you are seeking.
Jason

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pinkrainbow - 05 May 2006 02:32 GMT
Thanks Jason, my gp is not your usual gp, he specializes in bioidentical
hormone therapy, autism, fieldenkreis, and a few other things, and is trying
to get me into an endo, without luck so far..
the scary thing is that he is moving in august! and i don't have a back-up,
unless the endo sees me, that would only be one part of the picture.
Don't know if you have heard of M.E.(CFS)..but the guy who wrote the book
you mentioned, adrenal exhaustion, believes they are the same thing..as does
my dr...i am not convinced, most  thing it is a viral, auto-immune disease,
and i have fm too...
I do very much appreciate you going to the trouble of looking that up...i
think my dr. feels i have had a compromised endocrine system for the full 16
years, but the advair compromised me to the point where i could have
actually died from addisonian crisis..apparently, that is how it is
sometimes diagnosed..crisis!
Cheers
(what a cheerful, kind and knowledgeable group you are)!..don't know what is
worse, total exhaustion and pain 24/7, or dyspnoea!..trouble breathing.. if
it is asthma and/or emphysema, it's just getting pretty overwhelming! i
really appreciate your support.
pink

>> Newbie:(as of today!)
>> pinkrainbow2004@yahoo.ca
[quoted text clipped - 99 lines]
> solutions that you are seeking.
> Jason
gail - 06 May 2006 07:58 GMT
Dear Pinkrainbow,
I don't have any of your "illnesses" but I was on cortisones and it
took me 2 years to get off them. They were replaced with even deadlier
medications which sad to say because of them I was diagonised last
Wednesday with chronic kidney failure.
Some people have all the luck but not us !!!!!! My adrenal glands  shut
down a couple of years ago and so had the thyroid as a result.  I have
a great doctor who prescribed a dose of 'retirement with no stress' and
lots of different vitamins - I felt great until last Wednesday and then
a little anger took over.  BUT like you we will get on with life and
enjoy every minute. Mst important is to keep a smile and pretend
nothing is wrong.
pinkrainbow - 15 May 2006 12:50 GMT
Gail i am so sorry to hear about your recent news..kidney failure..sounds
scarry!..Can anything be done..a transplant?..boy we share have to ride the
mountains and valley's in this life, thank God we have one another to shar
eour pain, and help us over the humps..my heart goes out to you, and thanks
for your kindness, in supporting me.
have a wonderful week
pinkrainbow
> Dear Pinkrainbow,
> I don't have any of your "illnesses" but I was on cortisones and it
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> enjoy every minute. Mst important is to keep a smile and pretend
> nothing is wrong.
sheila walshe - 10 May 2006 15:27 GMT
Hi there, I have had the same problem, body stopped making its own cortisol,
I had to be on prednisolone for 25 years !
Side effects were horrendous. Massive weight gain, bones weakened, got ostio
porosis now,,,eventually weaned myself off preddie by not taking them, and
resting whenever I felt that dragged down feeling. I DO NOT recommend anyone
to try this, but DO get help to wean off the steroid...I have recently been
diagnosed with COPD and bronchiectasis, so.... I do not know where I will go
from here !
I have had asthma for over 50 years, the steroids helped, but at a cost.
Good luck, and keep asking questions...
Sheila.
> Newbie:(as of today!)
> pinkrainbow2004@yahoo.ca
[quoted text clipped - 67 lines]
> Thanks for listening
> pinkrainbow
Jason Johnson - 10 May 2006 17:55 GMT
Hi there, I have had the same problem, body stopped making its own cortisol,
I had to be on prednisolone for 25 years !
Side effects were horrendous. Massive weight gain, bones weakened, got ostio
porosis now,,,eventually weaned myself off preddie by not taking them, and
resting whenever I felt that dragged down feeling. I DO NOT recommend anyone
to try this, but DO get help to wean off the steroid...I have recently been
diagnosed with COPD and bronchiectasis, so.... I do not know where I will go
from here !
I have had asthma for over 50 years, the steroids helped, but at a cost.
Good luck, and keep asking questions...
Sheila.

Sheila,
I saw a recent post indicating that some types of asthma are caused by
bacteria so the medications most doctors use to treat asthma don't do much
good. I wish that doctors would conduct tests on all asthma patients to
determine whether or not they have bacteria-caused asthma. I am not a
doctor but have a close friend that has a serious case of asthma and have
done research to help her because her doctors have not been much help.
Here's the title of two books that MAY help anyone that has a serious case
of asthma.

"Adrenal Fatigue" by James L. Wilson, Ph.D.

"The Acid-Alkaline Diet" by Christopher Vasey, N.D.
published by Healing Arts Press--One Park Street--Rochester, Vermont 05767
www.innertraditions.com

> Newbie:(as of today!)
> pinkrainbow2004@yahoo.ca
[quoted text clipped - 67 lines]
> Thanks for listening
> pinkrainbow
sheila walshe - 11 May 2006 00:38 GMT
Thanks for info...will check out the books...I am on trimethaprin at the
moment, it seems to help, though it is usually used for UTIs
Lovely, helpful group, you are.
Sheila

> Hi there, I have had the same problem, body stopped making its own
> cortisol,
[quoted text clipped - 112 lines]
> > Thanks for listening
> > pinkrainbow
pinkrainbow - 14 May 2006 19:12 GMT
i didn't know asthma was caused by bacteria..what other kinds are there?
naive newbie
pinkrainbow

> Hi there, I have had the same problem, body stopped making its own
> cortisol,
[quoted text clipped - 112 lines]
> > Thanks for listening
> > pinkrainbow
Jason Johnson - 15 May 2006 00:50 GMT
i didn't know asthma was caused by bacteria..what other kinds are there?
naive newbie
pinkrainbow

pinkrainbow,
Good point. I should have stated that one of the causes of asthma
was bacteria. Thanks for pointing out my error.
Jason



"Jason Johnson" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> In article <cLm8g.8364$Qq.5634@clgrps12>, "sheila walshe"
> <cranky1@telus.net> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 115 lines]
> > Thanks for listening
> > pinkrainbow
pinkrainbow - 15 May 2006 12:53 GMT
i didn't think it an error, just more pieces to the puzzle, i really did
wonder what other things cause it..the asthma, copd,etc..is it
genetic...environmental..life style..all of the above?
have a good week Jason(i named my son Jeremy Jason)
pink

> i didn't know asthma was caused by bacteria..what other kinds are there?
> naive newbie
[quoted text clipped - 150 lines]
> > > Thanks for listening
> > > pinkrainbow
pinkrainbow - 15 May 2006 12:51 GMT
how to they treat the chronic bronchitis and copd..i am scarred i may fall
into the category..yet it's all yet to be revealed..depends what happens if
i ever get off the cortef!
pinkrainbow

> Hi there, I have had the same problem, body stopped making its own
> cortisol, I had to be on prednisolone for 25 years !
[quoted text clipped - 78 lines]
>> Thanks for listening
>> pinkrainbow
00doc - 11 May 2006 03:47 GMT
> Question:the respirologist said the majority of patients referred by their
> gp DO NOT have asthma...

That's hard to understamd. Maybe he is in an area with backward GP's or
maybe he is too quick to dismiss the diagnosis.

> then he said the reason i have almost no serum cortisol(the hormone the
> adrenal glands, above the kidneys)produce, was that advair has a steroid
> component, which tells my body, 'i don't need to produce cortisol
> anymore.'...and my adrenal's go into "shutdown"

That is unlikely. Researchers usually have to look hard to find any systemic
effect of the newer inhaled steroids at the common doses. A few people will
show signs of steroid excess on high doses and some will show some evidence
of adrenal suppression but a complete shut down from that dose of Advair
would be exceedingly uncommon.

> ..so he wants me off it..so he reduced the advair 500mg. to 100mg.,
> starting immediately...I was scarred of going into addisonian crisis,(the
> idea is, if i am off Adair the steroid, my body will tell my adrenals to
> wake up and start working)....i think it is too fast,

If one supposes that the Advair is suppressing the Adrenals then that is too
fast. If a person has been on doses of steroids that completely suppress
their adrenals (usually oral steroids) then they are usually weaned very
slowly.

> as when i tried the 100mg.this morning, it felt like nothing, and i am now
> wheezy, sob, esp. on exertion, chest tightness...

Hmmm.....you started wheezing as soon as the adviar was removed? Sounds like
your GP mght be right about not being off the med long enough (reading
ahead). Any chance he can sneek you in while you are symptomatic to repeat
the PFT's? Testing you while you are having symptoms would be the best way
to tell of those symptoms are from asthma.

> so i phoned him and requested a 'wean', he agreed, (but within a
> month!.....250mg. for 2 weeks, then 100mg. for 2 weeks, then nothing!)

If you are really adrenally suppressed from the Advair (which I still doubt
but am willing to go with it for the sake of discussion) then that is still
to fast of a wean.

> Question- how long do you think is reasonable to wean off advair 500mg.,
> after being on it for several years...

It typically takes months to wean someone from years of a suppressive dose
of steroids to completely off.

> (to complicate things further, my gp still thinks i have asthma, just
> wasn't off the inhalers long enough when the pulmonary f. tests were
> done..i was off 24 hours.)

He might be right. Being tested while symptomatic would settle the issue.

> Secondly-if he thinks i may have emphysema(God forbid!yikes!), wouldn't
> you still need inhalers?

Something is not right here. Emphysema produces the same changes on PFT's as
asthma. The difference is that with asthma the changes reverse with time and
medication (like albuterol or the salmeterol in the Advair) and with
emphysema they are relatively fixed. Inhalers are still useful they just
don't produce as much of a change as with asthma and the inhaled steroids
can be usedful to prevent flares (but not chronic damage as in asthma).

> ..the cat scan will take months to get in..and i haven't seen an endo
> yet..also my gp(main dr., is moving in august, and it is almost impossible
> to get a gp in Toronto these days!)

Note to all Americans who think the US should adopt a Canadian type of
health plan: In the US you would get the CT with a week - probably the next
day.

> Lastly, Addison's is treated with hydrocortisol(cortef), or
> prednisone(synthetic..very strong, and in my opinion dangerous)..i am on
> bioidentical hormonal therapy for menopause and hypothyroidism),...

Usually hydrocortisone - it mimics the natural hormones better than
Prednisone.

> I thought  cortef is a long-acting broncho-dilator AND
> anti-inflammatory..this was my understanding...

No - it is a cortiosteroid - just like the fluticasone in the Advair.

> i am told, don't worry, when you stop the inhalers, the cortef will start
> the adrenals up again,

It will not start the adrenals. It will continue to suppress them (if they
are being suppressed by anything and have not just quit on their own).
Taking it should keep you from having Addisonian symptoms when you wean the
inhaled steroid.

> BUT, i am NOT responding to this drug..my serum cortisol is still very,
> very low...

It sounds like they are not giving you enough. How much are you taking?

> zero is addisonian crisis and possible death.
> So if your asthmatic, i assume people are on steroid's, do other people
> not run into my problem?

No, not really. It is common in people on chronic or frequent oral steroids
but we really don't see complete adrenal suppression from any kind of common
dose of inhaled steroid.

> I am hoping, that someone here, may' have Addison's and asthma', and know
> about the effect of these inhalers on the endocrine system, particularly
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> similar.
> Thanks for listening

1) A lot of your chronic problems could be from adrenal insufficiency so you
may have been developing adrenal disease for quite some time. There are also
polyglandular syndromes that cause combinations of some of the things you
have and several systemic diseases that can affect the adrenals, lungs and
thyroid (sarcoid, amyloidosis, hemochromatosis, tuberculosis and others).
I'm scheptical that the Advair caused your complete adrenal suppression and
suspect that there is another cause (most likely autoimmune - an antiadrenal
antibody test should be done (blood)). It will be hard to work out. It
sounds like you should see an endocrinologist. Another reason to see an
andocrinologist besides diagnosis is for the treatment - supplementing
adrenal and thryoid hormones affects each other and you have to watch both.

2) It sounds like the jury is still out on the asthma part. A CT of the
chest sounds like a good idea as does looking into other diagnoses. However,
the best way to rule out asthma would be to repeat the PFT's while having
symptoms so hopefully the pulmonologist will be willing to work with you and
get that done. The GP may be able to order the test independant of the
specialist (he could in the US).

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Jason Johnson - 11 May 2006 19:12 GMT
"pinkrainbow" <dianne.hayter@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> Question:the respirologist said the majority of patients referred by their
> gp DO NOT have asthma...

That's hard to understamd. Maybe he is in an area with backward GP's or
maybe he is too quick to dismiss the diagnosis.


> then he said the reason i have almost no serum cortisol(the hormone the
> adrenal glands, above the kidneys)produce, was that advair has a steroid
> component, which tells my body, 'i don't need to produce cortisol
> anymore.'...and my adrenal's go into "shutdown"

That is unlikely. Researchers usually have to look hard to find any systemic
effect of the newer inhaled steroids at the common doses. A few people will
show signs of steroid excess on high doses and some will show some evidence
of adrenal suppression but a complete shut down from that dose of Advair
would be exceedingly uncommon.


> ..so he wants me off it..so he reduced the advair 500mg. to 100mg.,
> starting immediately...I was scarred of going into addisonian crisis,(the
> idea is, if i am off Adair the steroid, my body will tell my adrenals to
> wake up and start working)....i think it is too fast,

If one supposes that the Advair is suppressing the Adrenals then that is too
fast. If a person has been on doses of steroids that completely suppress
their adrenals (usually oral steroids) then they are usually weaned very
slowly.


> as when i tried the 100mg.this morning, it felt like nothing, and i am now
> wheezy, sob, esp. on exertion, chest tightness...

Hmmm.....you started wheezing as soon as the adviar was removed? Sounds like
your GP mght be right about not being off the med long enough (reading
ahead). Any chance he can sneek you in while you are symptomatic to repeat
the PFT's? Testing you while you are having symptoms would be the best way
to tell of those symptoms are from asthma.


> so i phoned him and requested a 'wean', he agreed, (but within a
> month!.....250mg. for 2 weeks, then 100mg. for 2 weeks, then nothing!)
If you are really adrenally suppressed from the Advair (which I still doubt
but am willing to go with it for the sake of discussion) then that is still
to fast of a wean.



> Question- how long do you think is reasonable to wean off advair 500mg.,
> after being on it for several years...

It typically takes months to wean someone from years of a suppressive dose
of steroids to completely off.

> (to complicate things further, my gp still thinks i have asthma, just
> wasn't off the inhalers long enough when the pulmonary f. tests were
> done..i was off 24 hours.)

He might be right. Being tested while symptomatic would settle the issue.


> Secondly-if he thinks i may have emphysema(God forbid!yikes!), wouldn't
> you still need inhalers?

Something is not right here. Emphysema produces the same changes on PFT's as
asthma. The difference is that with asthma the changes reverse with time and
medication (like albuterol or the salmeterol in the Advair) and with
emphysema they are relatively fixed. Inhalers are still useful they just
don't produce as much of a change as with asthma and the inhaled steroids
can be usedful to prevent flares (but not chronic damage as in asthma).


> ..the cat scan will take months to get in..and i haven't seen an endo
> yet..also my gp(main dr., is moving in august, and it is almost impossible
> to get a gp in Toronto these days!)

Note to all Americans who think the US should adopt a Canadian type of
health plan: In the US you would get the CT with a week - probably the next
day.


> Lastly, Addison's is treated with hydrocortisol(cortef), or
> prednisone(synthetic..very strong, and in my opinion dangerous)..i am on
> bioidentical hormonal therapy for menopause and hypothyroidism),...

Usually hydrocortisone - it mimics the natural hormones better than
Prednisone.


> I thought  cortef is a long-acting broncho-dilator AND
> anti-inflammatory..this was my understanding...

No - it is a cortiosteroid - just like the fluticasone in the Advair.


> i am told, don't worry, when you stop the inhalers, the cortef will start
> the adrenals up again,

It will not start the adrenals. It will continue to suppress them (if they
are being suppressed by anything and have not just quit on their own).
Taking it should keep you from having Addisonian symptoms when you wean the
inhaled steroid.


> BUT, i am NOT responding to this drug..my serum cortisol is still very,
> very low...

It sounds like they are not giving you enough. How much are you taking?


> zero is addisonian crisis and possible death.
> So if your asthmatic, i assume people are on steroid's, do other people
> not run into my problem?

No, not really. It is common in people on chronic or frequent oral steroids
but we really don't see complete adrenal suppression from any kind of common
dose of inhaled steroid.


> I am hoping, that someone here, may' have Addison's and asthma', and know
> about the effect of these inhalers on the endocrine system, particularly
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> similar.
> Thanks for listening

1) A lot of your chronic problems could be from adrenal insufficiency so you
may have been developing adrenal disease for quite some time. There are also
polyglandular syndromes that cause combinations of some of the things you
have and several systemic diseases that can affect the adrenals, lungs and
thyroid (sarcoid, amyloidosis, hemochromatosis, tuberculosis and others).
I'm scheptical that the Advair caused your complete adrenal suppression and
suspect that there is another cause (most likely autoimmune - an antiadrenal
antibody test should be done (blood)). It will be hard to work out. It
sounds like you should see an endocrinologist. Another reason to see an
andocrinologist besides diagnosis is for the treatment - supplementing
adrenal and thryoid hormones affects each other and you have to watch both.

2) It sounds like the jury is still out on the asthma part. A CT of the
chest sounds like a good idea as does looking into other diagnoses. However,
the best way to rule out asthma would be to repeat the PFT's while having
symptoms so hopefully the pulmonologist will be willing to work with you and
get that done. The GP may be able to order the test independant of the
specialist (he could in the US).

Doc,
Thanks for your EXCELLENT post. You have an excellent understanding of how
the adrenal glands function.
Jason
Jason
pinkrainbow - 14 May 2006 19:24 GMT
i am actually wheezing on the advair/ventolin...i think i have chronic
bronchitis, because yes..sigh...i still smoke! after 16 years of severe
illness, it seems the only vice left..everything else seems like
deprivation...i hate to mention this here...
i tried quitting January and February, and the stress of actually dying
from Addison's..i had thought i wanted the end of the 'suffering', till i
was told that i might have it...then i was terrified, especially
spiritually...trying to find meaning in suffering, purpose in
disability...has been very challenging for me...yes i am depressed..reactive
depression, which goes up and down..after working as an or.n. for 20 years,
i got the flu and ended up in bed for 6 years with chronic fatigue
syndrome(actually chronic fatigue immune dysfunction syndrome- a long name
for permanent flu), compounded 2 years later with fibromyalgia(like
arthritis, but in the muscles and supposedly more painful)...so constant
exhaustion and pain 24/7..has left me feeling hopeless, spent life saving on
9 naturopaths, and their 'cures'...now it seems i am back at the medical
part of things, as i am now in a category of 'Addison's adrenal
insufficiency, hypothyroid, sleep disorder.blah blah!
i do feel sorry for myself today as my 2 children grown children, one of
which has 2 children, refuse to speak to me, and live on the other side of
Canada..with no explanation, except, i expect they thing i have abandoned
them..due to illness, which they don't understand.
but happy mother's day to everyone else..

i am truly touched, by the knowledge, the wisdom, the caring and kindness
given me at this group...you have all helped me so much, you will never
know..i know longer have a social life, or friends(other than superficial,
who don't understand that 'you look good'..therefore there is nothing wrong
with you...
i would just like to thankyou all, especially Sheila, Jason, Gail, and all
the other's(brain fog like the weather today) for taking the time, caring
enough to explain the norm's of asthma, helping me to understand how this
effects my life, whether the inhalers are the problem, part of the
problem..whatever...now i just need the motivation to go on...find as that
guy wrote,"Man's search for meaning"...a guy in the holocaust, who lasted
all those years emaciated, out of love and belief...i am lacking the last
few years, as the things pile up, and i do  believe in a mind body
connection...
thanks so much
hugs
Dianne(pinkrainbow)

>> Question:the respirologist said the majority of patients referred by
>> their gp DO NOT have asthma...
[quoted text clipped - 138 lines]
> work with you and get that done. The GP may be able to order the test
> independant of the specialist (he could in the US).
pinkrainbow - 15 May 2006 12:54 GMT
Surprisingly, he is from  one of the most advanced teaching hospitals in
canada..that's why it was so upsetting/confusing...i just believed
him!..duh!(thought i was over making dr.'s god's(with a small g!)
pinkrainbow

>> Question:the respirologist said the majority of patients referred by
>> their gp DO NOT have asthma...
[quoted text clipped - 138 lines]
> work with you and get that done. The GP may be able to order the test
> independant of the specialist (he could in the US).
 
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