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shorteze@msn.com - 28 Apr 2006 00:44 GMT
Just as the title says.Is there anyway to do this?
tony broughton - 29 Apr 2006 11:37 GMT
> Just as the title says.Is there anyway to do this?

Regular aerobic exercise, particularly recommend non-loadbearing
exercise such as cycling.  Possibly also regular playing a musical wind
instrument.  There are also medical devices available that you blow
into that are supposed to train the muscles involved in inspiration
and improve lung capacity.

If you go for exercise watch out for swimmng since the chlorine
in the pool can make asthma worse.  Also watch out for cold air
since that can bring on an attack.

Tony
Richard Friedel - 30 Apr 2006 09:49 GMT
> Just as the title says.Is there anyway to do this?
I'd recommend doing Qigong  to induce a slow breathing rate of, say 17,
secs per cycle. The lungsthen  have to expand fully.   You might also
consider "Tan Tien Chi Kung" ISBN 0-89281-195-1 by the well known
author Mantiak Chia (see
http://www.lrz-muenchen.de/~s3e0101/webserver/webdata/MantakChia030206.pdf
).  I guess personal instruction is necessary for safety.
I think it is a way to learn to recover the ability to overcome
asthmatic narrowing of the airways if the bronchi are targeted and
diaphragmatic breathing is not exaggerated.  Regards, Richard Friedel
tony broughton - 30 Apr 2006 22:36 GMT
> Just as the title says.Is there anyway to do this?

I found this link for a company making an "inspiratory trainer"
device:-

http://www.powerbreathe.com

The site claims that this is based on research at Birmingham and
Loughborough universities in England.  If you read through the
research page http://www.powerbreathe.com/research.html they claim to
have some controlled trials showing benefit in mild/moderate asthma
and COPD.

However I have no idea if the device is effective or just a scam to get
your money, so please do not take my post as any sort of recommendation.
As always, caveat emptor!

Tony
Richard Friedel - 18 May 2006 10:05 GMT
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> The site claims that this is based on research at Birmingham and
> Loughborough universities in England.  If you read through the
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> Tony

In some way the device might seem the logical step to overcoming
asthma, namely by opening the constricted airways by improved suction.

However judging from my recollections of moderately severe asthma
attacks, it was not the lack of strength and suction but rather the
lack of coordination which meant I failed to keep my lungs open. My
extremely powerful gasps were just too short to open up the lungs,
because the lung tissue was too inelastic owing to pollen or GERD.
This feature is targeted in ongoing research and means a quest for
drugs to normalize lung tissue properties.

Training in taking deep breaths might have helped.

What seems to be needed is some method which directly quells the
craving for asthma medication and furthermore has not been considered
by medicine so far.

As I've posted here almost ad naseum medical research has ignored the
mechanism of taking a deep breath including suction as a necessary
factor.  If this matter were taken into account it might be shown that
asthma is due to a basic mistake about breathing as taught in schools
upwards.

As you hint even gadgets produced by universities might be simple
scams.  New asthma drugs may also not involve any progress or even turn
out to be more harmful than those already used.  Therefore
modernization of school instruction on breathing might be more
respected and reliable, last but not least because nobody is likely to
make a fortune by amending a few passages in standard textbooks as a
source of expert knowledge.  Regards, Richard Friedel
Jason Johnson - 18 May 2006 19:13 GMT
tony broughton wrote:
....
> The site claims that this is based on research at Birmingham and
> Loughborough universities in England.  If you read through the
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Tony

In some way the device might seem the logical step to overcoming
asthma, namely by opening the constricted airways by improved suction.

However judging from my recollections of moderately severe asthma
attacks, it was not the lack of strength and suction but rather the
lack of coordination which meant I failed to keep my lungs open. My
extremely powerful gasps were just too short to open up the lungs,
because the lung tissue was too inelastic owing to pollen or GERD.
This feature is targeted in ongoing research and means a quest for
drugs to normalize lung tissue properties.

Training in taking deep breaths might have helped.

What seems to be needed is some method which directly quells the
craving for asthma medication and furthermore has not been considered
by medicine so far.

As I've posted here almost ad naseum medical research has ignored the
mechanism of taking a deep breath including suction as a necessary
factor.  If this matter were taken into account it might be shown that
asthma is due to a basic mistake about breathing as taught in schools
upwards.

As you hint even gadgets produced by universities might be simple
scams.  New asthma drugs may also not involve any progress or even turn
out to be more harmful than those already used.  Therefore
modernization of school instruction on breathing might be more
respected and reliable, last but not least because nobody is likely to
make a fortune by amending a few passages in standard textbooks as a
source of expert knowledge.  Regards, Richard Friedel

I have a question for you since it's obvious that you have done lots of
research related to the possible causes of asthma. One of the theories
is that many (if not all) of the people that develop asthma have defective
genes that cause them to have what I will refer to as a compromised (or
weak) breathing system. The triggers for the breathing problems (dust,
bacteria, mold, etc) might be different in various people but all of the
asthma patients have the defective gene. Do you believe that this theory
is true. If it is true, it's my guess that scientists will eventually
track down the exact defective gene or genes.
I should note that even if this theory is true, learning to breath properly
would help everyone--esp. people that have asthma.
 
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