>I have what is called exercise asthma (not quite sure of name -- it is
>5:30 am and i've only had about 2 hours of sleep.
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>
>THank you for your help.
Yes, you can do Buteyko therapy and reverse your asthma. That should
make you feel a lot better.
Peter Kolb
pkolb@wt.com.au
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Free information provided by grateful ex-asthmatics
http://www.wt.com.au/~pkolb/buteyko.htm
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Colin Campbell - 11 Jul 2003 13:37 GMT
>>My question is are the over the counter asthma remedies good and/or are
>>there any "natural" ways to make me feel better?
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>Yes, you can do Buteyko therapy and reverse your asthma. That should
>make you feel a lot better.
Ignore Mr. Kola. Buteyko is a scam.
--
In every generation the world has produced enemies
of human freedom. They have attacked America because
we are freedom's home and defender. The commitment
of our fathers is not the challenge of our time.
President George W Bush - Sept 14, 2001
Dave - 11 Jul 2003 19:50 GMT
> >>My question is are the over the counter asthma remedies good and/or are
> >>there any "natural" ways to make me feel better?
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>
> Ignore Mr. Kola. Buteyko is a scam.
Well, the last time I used the Buteyko Method of breathing it was working
just fine.
As a matter of fact I use it for every breath I take because it has pretty
much cured
my asthma. The genius who called it a scam obviously doesn't have the
slightest clue
what it is. Do you genius? You think it is MLM, don't you?
> In every generation the world has produced enemies
> of human freedom. They have attacked America because
> we are freedom's home and defender. The commitment
> of our fathers is not the challenge of our time.
> President George W Bush - Sept 14, 2001
ARoberts - 12 Jul 2003 01:04 GMT
> > >>My question is are the over the counter asthma remedies good and/or are
> > >>there any "natural" ways to make me feel better?
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> slightest clue
> what it is. Do you genius? You think it is MLM, don't you?
Compared to you, most creatures are geniuses, even those without opposable
thumbs.
ARoberts - 11 Jul 2003 14:46 GMT
> >I have what is called exercise asthma (not quite sure of name -- it is
> >5:30 am and i've only had about 2 hours of sleep.
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>
> Peter Kolb
Ignore this scammer; that will make you feel a lot better.
Richard Friedel - 11 Jul 2003 14:59 GMT
"And what meaning do you expect your delusionally self-important
statements of unknowing, inexperienced opinion to have with us? What
fantasy do you hold that you would believe that your tiny-fisted
tantrums would have more weight than that of a leprous desert rat,
spinning rabidly in a circle, waiting for the bite of the snake?
I cannot believe how incredibly stupid you are. I mean rock-hard stupid.
Dehydrated-rock-hard stupid. Stupid so stupid that it goes way beyond
the stupid we know into a whole different dimension of stupid. You are
trans-stupid stupid. Meta-stupid. Stupid collapsed on itself so far that
even the neutrons have collapsed. Stupid gotten so dense that no
intellect can escape. Singularity stupid. Blazing hot mid-day sun on
Mercury stupid. You emit more stupid in one second than our entire
galaxy emits in a year. Quasar stupid. Your writing has to be a troll.
Nothing in our universe can really be this stupid. Perhaps this is some
primordial fragment from the original big bang of stupid. Some pure
essence of a stupid so uncontaminated by anything else as to be beyond
the laws of physics that we know. I'm sorry. I can't go on. This is an
epiphany of stupid for me."
With apologies to Unbound Quark
> >I have what is called exercise asthma (not quite sure of name -- it is
> >5:30 am and i've only had about 2 hours of sleep.
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>
> __________________________________________________
ARoberts - 12 Jul 2003 01:12 GMT
> "And what meaning do you expect your delusionally self-important
> statements of unknowing, inexperienced opinion to have with us? What
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>
> With apologies to Unbound Quark
Richard, certainly you could have some of this venom allocated for dave
(spam-a-minute) as well....
> > __________________________________________________
>My question is are the over the counter asthma remedies good and/or are
>there any "natural" ways to make me feel better?
Avoid these if you value your health. Have you applied to extend your
health insurance through COBRA? Otherwise the pharmaceutical
companies have programs that allow you to get free or discounted
medications. (Somebody here should have the details.
BTW, expect to be contacted by scam artists as a result of your post.
--
In every generation the world has produced enemies
of human freedom. They have attacked America because
we are freedom's home and defender. The commitment
of our fathers is not the challenge of our time.
President George W Bush - Sept 14, 2001
> I have what is called exercise asthma (not quite sure of name -- it is
> 5:30 am and i've only had about 2 hours of sleep.
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>
> THank you for your help.
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> I have what is called exercise asthma (not quite sure of name -- it is
> 5:30 am and i've only had about 2 hours of sleep.
EIB [exercise induced bronchospasm]
> Anyway at the moment I am unemployed and I have no insurance and can't
> afford any.
In some cases you can extend your medical insurance for 18 mo.
with COBRA, where you pay the monthly premium at the group rate.
> I was taking Flovent which was helping greatly but with out my insurance
> from my previous employer I am sure it is quite expensive.
You may qualify for free or low cost drugs; or could mail order
from Canada for a discount.
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> My question is are the over the counter asthma remedies good and/or are
> there any "natural" ways to make me feel better?
Asthma drugs are mostly by prescription in the US.
If you have coexisting rhinitis [hay fever] it should be
treated so you can breathe thru the nose, to filter
humidify and warm air going to lungs. Saline nasal wash,
Nasalcrom, antihistamines, short term decongestant.
If any GE reflux, that should be treated.
Ellis
> THank you for your help.
Richard Friedel - 14 Jul 2003 08:20 GMT
Excuse me when I contradict you as a senior member of this ng, sir.
This seems to be the worst possible advice and the road to
medicalization at any price.
As I've shown in numerous news groups, opening up the upper airways and
more particularly the nose is not just something where the sky is the
limit, as one might suppose from school physics. The test involving
inserting a finger into your mouth between your lips and inhaling
through the gap between the finger and your lips shows that inhaling is
dependent on resistance. No resistance - hardly any or no inhale, large
resistance - big inhale. The maneuver has to be done so that the cheeks
are drawn in on an inhale, i. e. you do not breathe through your nose.
If this does not come automatically, pinch your nostrils together with
the other hand. Normally the resistance is provided by the nose, where
the sensation cannot be analyzed and seems to confirm the bellows model
for the lungs.
As many learn from their parents, a good deep breath with a sniffing
noise shows that breathing is satisfactory and is a sign of good health.
A recent asthma study shows that normal subjects are just as affected by
a methacholine provocation test as asthmatics if they refrain from
taking a deep inspiration. (J. Appl. Physiology, 2000, 711-720, T.
Kapsali et al.) This might well indicate that the asthmatics could not
take a normal deep inspiration because they did not have enough
resistance.
There is also the standard "sniff maneuver" to stimulate and test the
diaphragm.
Broadcasting pseudo-science will attract more and more quacks, who are
not that dumb. Many will instinctively find their stuff as convincing
the stuff about the nose function and "scientific" breathing.
In my opinion getting a proper sense of resistance in the upper airways
might possibly treat asthma. Anyway the ignorance of pulmonologists and
authors of guidelines should be looked into.
For a confession that docs do not know anything about the function of
nose resistance, see http://www.bcm.tmc.edu/oto/grand/72194.html The
dangers of nasal surgery are also pointed out. Regards, Richard Friedel
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> so you can breathe thru the nose, to filter
> humidify and warm air going to lungs. Saline nasal wash,
> Nasalcrom, antihistamines, short term decongestant.
> If any GE reflux, that should be treated.
>
> Ellis