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Jeffery - 27 Mar 2006 19:15 GMT
As an asthmatic on maximum dosage for ordinary day to day medication I have
had to start yet another course of steroids (prednisone).  Usually I have
28 - 5mg tablets and take them 7, 6, 5, 4, per day etc.   The latest
thinking is that 8 - 5mg tablets taken at once for five days is better.
Any comments out there please as this short sharp shock does not seem to be
working as well as the old way yet am taking more medication.   At the same
time I am on antibiotics as the asthma attack was triggered by the flu.

Jeffery.
00doc - 29 Mar 2006 02:40 GMT
> As an asthmatic on maximum dosage for ordinary day to day medication I
> have had to start yet another course of steroids (prednisone).  Usually I
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> same time I am on antibiotics as the asthma attack was triggered by the
> flu.

There are two reasons to taper the steroids over a longer period:

1) To prevent adrenal insufficiency syndrome due to suppression of the
adrenal gland from the prednisone. The theory is that by slowly reducing the
dose you let the adrenal recover and gradually take over. This has largely
been discreditted for two reasons. Firstly, the adrenal gland is not
appreciably suppressed (enough to cause this problem) in just a few days.
Secondly, the doses are usually high enough to suppress the adrenal gland
completely (over 5mg or so) even at the end of the taper. It is not
considered safe to give large doses of steroids for even a week or more
without having to taper to avoid adrenal crisis.

2) To provent a flare of the disease if it is not completely suppressed.
This is valid and may apply to you. Even if high doses are used sometimes it
just takes more time for the problem to die down. Tapering lets you give the
course for longer but with a lower total dose. If you do start to see a
flare it will hopefully not be as severe (since you are still on some dose)
and so will be not as severe and easier to knock back down than if you just
stopped abruptly and let it blossom.

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michael - 29 Mar 2006 03:56 GMT
00doc ..Do you have any info for those of us on prednisone for extended time
, I have been mostly on 40 mg daily 4 years ....Just changed lung doc and
was switched to 40 mg hydrocortisone after slowly reducing prednisone to
15mg daily and staying at 15mg for 3 weeks....Do the Adrenals respond after
such a long rest ????  Mahalo   Michael

>> As an asthmatic on maximum dosage for ordinary day to day medication I
>> have had to start yet another course of steroids (prednisone).  Usually I
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> some dose) and so will be not as severe and easier to knock back down than
> if you just stopped abruptly and let it blossom.
00doc - 30 Mar 2006 02:36 GMT
> 00doc ..Do you have any info for those of us on prednisone for extended
> time , I have been mostly on 40 mg daily 4 years ....Just changed lung doc
> and was switched to 40 mg hydrocortisone after slowly reducing prednisone
> to 15mg daily and staying at 15mg for 3 weeks....Do the Adrenals respond
> after such a long rest ????  Mahalo   Michael

They should but you will have to reduce the dose extremely slowly,
especially as you get very low. Most people in the non-stressed state make
the equivalent of about 5 mg per day of prednisone in adrenal hormones
(mostly cortisol). It goes up quite a bit if they are stressed (sick,
injured, mentally stressed). I find that if the steroids are no longer
needed for the disease that it is usually easy to taper the prednisone to
about 5-10 mg and then from there you have to go very slowly.

Sometimes if just dropping the daily dose slowly isn't going well it helps
to use "alternate day dosing". You keep the dose beyond which you are stuck
constant on alternate days and reduce the dose on the other alternate day
until you are just taking the dose every other day and then reduce from
there (i.e. 5,5,5,4,5,3,5,2,5,1,5,0,5,0,4,0,3,0,2,0,1,0,0,0 - but much more
stretched out). I've seen some rheumatologists get to 10mg of prednisone and
then drop the dose 1mg per month taking a year or so to get the people off.
This is probably the extreme end.

Some people think that hydrocortisone more naturally mimics the body's
cortisol. I'm not sure I have seen any evidence of the difference. It is
about 1/4 as potent as prednisone so the 15 mg of prednisone is equivalent
to about 60mg of hydrocortisone. This difference does make it easier to
adjust the dose in small increments.

All of this is great if you are doing well and can reduce the dose. The
problem is that until you have been off of exogenous steroids for several
months up to a year your adrenals will not respond to a new stress
appropriately so you may need a burst of steroids ("stress dose steroids")
whenever you have a significant illness, surgery, etc.

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michael - 30 Mar 2006 21:09 GMT
00Doc

 Mahalo   Michael

> All of this is great if you are doing well and can reduce the dose. The
> problem is that until you have been off of exogenous steroids for several
> months up to a year your adrenals will not respond to a new stress
> appropriately so you may need a burst of steroids ("stress dose steroids")
> whenever you have a significant illness, surgery, etc.
Muriel & Roland - 31 Mar 2006 13:42 GMT
Hi,

I am also on prednisolone (40 mg up to 80 mg depending how I am doing).
These Orodispersible pills are 20 mg ones... way better than those I had to
mix with water.

I take these pills for a really long time, but on a regular basis at least
for the last 10 years (except 2 years on hydrocortisone).

Day after day, I also take fluticasone propionate (500 mcg) and salmeterol
(50 mcg) twice a day 2 inhalations, in France it is called Seretide Diskus,
international I think it is also named Advair-Accuhaler.

A few years ago, we made some tests with my pneumologist.
Deal was to test if there was some difference between prednisone and
hydrocortisone.

In my case, the pneumologist found out my body responded way better to
hydrocortisone than to prednisone, and this was a first in his long carreer.

We managed to swith from daily prednisone to hydrocortinsone, one 80 mg
injection 3 to 4 times a year.
The great feeling to live again normally... and no side effects (stomach)
were the results.

Now, we moved to another part of France, and the new pneumologist told me he
is not allowed to prescribe hydrocortisone, which is not approved for asthma
(because of the french state-controlled health insurance) !

So, i am back to 40 to 80 mg prednisone, a.s.o, with a really bad quality of
life !

Within the next weeks, I'll be enrolled to test omalizumab (Xolair) at the
hospital (it isn't yet officially available in France), and I hope it will
help.

Someone already have experienced Xolair ?

Best regards
Roland.

> 00doc ..Do you have any info for those of us on prednisone for extended
> time , I have been mostly on 40 mg daily 4 years ....Just changed lung doc
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>> some dose) and so will be not as severe and easier to knock back down
>> than if you just stopped abruptly and let it blossom.
 
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