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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Asthma / March 2006Breathing Problem
I am facing breathing problem for quiet some time . All the time I am having runny nose . It affects me more when I sleep . Due to this mucus I don't get taste in food .My mother told me to do steaming everyday but its of no use .What to do ? >I am facing breathing problem for quiet some time . All the time I am >having runny nose . It affects me more when I sleep . Due to this >mucus I don't get taste in food .My mother told me to do steaming >everyday but its of no use .What to do ? First, see an ENT (Otorhinolaryngologist). You may have chronic sinusitis, and there could be an infection, some structural problems in your sinuses or polyps (or all of the above). Don't see just any ENT; choose one who is well-regarded by his peers--perhaps associated with a teaching hospital. If you care to post your location, I may know of one in your area. There is a sinusitis support group that has some good information as well: alt.support.sinusitis. There are a few ENTs who frequent that group (Drs. Murray Grossan, Wellington Tichenor, etc.). As always, use caution when trying things that are suggested on newsgroups; first rely on a good ENT who has given you a thorough examination. It's worth a bit of research to find a good one, because treatment can vary greatly. > >I am facing breathing problem for quiet some time . All the time I am > >having runny nose . It affects me more when I sleep . Due to this [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > worth a bit of research to find a good one, because treatment can vary > greatly. Yes, but the trouble with these gentlemen is that the function of the nose as providing airflow resistance for promoting proper breathing (as opposed to resistance resulting from "humidifying, warming and filtering" the air) is not accepted. There is a scandalous blind spot with these experts, which may be relevant here. Convince yourself with the following simple test like in school biology. Open your mouth as far as it will go and stick your tongue out. You will now still be able to breathe, but with difficulty. You can hear the airflow being restricted in the gap between the soft palate and the tongue. Now tilt your head back and breathing will become impossible. The soft palate is moved clear of the tongue. Now lay your hand loosely against your upper lip and tongue. This will create resistance to airflow and you can breathe again in an unnatural sort of way. You can feel that breathing it is dependent on airflow being restricted, which is sort of contrary to common sense. The function is like that of the nose in providing a choke or throttle effect. If you tell a doctor about this, he will probably smile condescendingly, but what matters are hard facts, not what all docs get drummed into them at medical school. So by all means see the experts as suggested, as the runny nose might not be cured (as seems possible judging from my own personal experience) by changing breathing Generally increasing nose resistance by yoga techniques such as "Ujjayi" reduce asthma symptoms (see http://www.yogajournal.com/practice/1801_1.cfm, but don't be worried by the nadis and other fancy yoga concepts without any real anatomical basis). The suction produced during an inhale should give a feeling that the cheeks are being pulled in. Trouble is that such techniques may be denounced as voodoo, but this seems to stem from the "blind spot" as mentioned and attaching excessive importance to unsophisticated anatomical research. Medical nose conditions and nose operations often correlate with asthma, because, it seems fair to conclude, they cause a loss of nose airflow resistance, such loss being a sort of unseen enemy. Regards, Richard Friedel >> >I am facing breathing problem for quiet some time . All the time I am >> >having runny nose . It affects me more when I sleep . Due to this [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> worth a bit of research to find a good one, because treatment can vary >> greatly. > There is a scandalous blind spot with these experts, which may be > relevant here. Convince yourself with the following simple test like [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > condescendingly, but what matters are hard facts, not what all docs get > drummed into them at medical school. As if in fullfillment of a prophecy, someone has shown up to exemplify my admonition about being wary of usenet misinformation. >There is a scandalous blind spot with these experts, which may be >relevant here. Convince yourself with the following simple test like [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >between the soft palate and the tongue. Now tilt your head back and >breathing will become impossible. You must be laughing, thinking about people gaping their gobs and extruding their tongues, then extending their necks back like some hungry baby bird in hot anticipation of a nice juicy worm for breakfast. My breathing eased as I extended my neck (not became impossible) because... >The soft palate is moved clear of the tongue. Actually, it is the other way around; the tongue is moved clear of the soft palate. If you keep your tongue extruded during this maneuver, traction on the soft tissues anterior to the trachea will increase the patency of the airway, not close it. However, if you relax your jaw-opening muscles while extending the neck, the tongue will simply fall back and block the airway. Got any more tricks? >>There is a scandalous blind spot with these experts, which may >>be [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Got any more tricks? You don't fully understand, Richard. To fully understand him, you should try this. Take your index finger and point it toward the temple of your head. Now slowly rotate your hand, from the wrist on out to your fingertips, in a circular, counter-clockwise motion. Does that help? >>>There is a scandalous blind spot with these experts, which may >>>be [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] >wrist on out to your fingertips, in a circular, counter-clockwise >motion. Does that help? Indeed. I was imagining that he had his index finger buried in his nostril somewhere near the distal interphalangeal joint. Good, because this saved me from explaining airway patency using the old way of performing CPR as an example (pulling the tongue away from the trachea with the neck in extension). > You don't fully understand, Richard. To fully understand him, you should > try this. Take your index finger and point it toward the temple of your > head. Now slowly rotate your hand, from the wrist on out to your > fingertips, in a circular, counter-clockwise motion. Does that help? I tried it and found that it was a lot harder to breath due to the laughter. Maybe he is more clever than we think.  Signature00doc >>>There is a scandalous blind spot with these experts, which may be >>>relevant here. Convince yourself with the following simple test like [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > head. Now slowly rotate your hand, from the wrist on out to your > fingertips, in a circular, counter-clockwise motion. Does that help? Ah yes, he is now focused with zen clarity.. >>There is a scandalous blind spot with these experts, which may be >>relevant here. Convince yourself with the following simple test like [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > hungry baby bird in hot anticipation of a nice juicy worm for > breakfast. You give him too much credit for cleverness. I would gain new respect for him if this were so. > My breathing eased as I extended my neck (not became impossible) > because... Well, of course it did. >>The soft palate is moved clear of the tongue. > > Actually, it is the other way around; the tongue is moved clear of the > soft palate. You just didn't say "ahhhh". Signature00doc [Bob] You must be laughing, thinking about people gaping their gobs and extruding their tongues, then extending their necks back like some hungry baby bird in hot anticipation of a nice juicy worm for breakfast. My breathing eased as I extended my neck (not became impossible) because... [RF]] The soft palate is moved clear of the tongue. [Bob] Actually, it is the other way around; the tongue is moved clear of the soft palate. If you keep your tongue extruded during this maneuver, traction on the soft tissues anterior to the trachea will increase the patency of the airway, not close it. However, if you relax your jaw-opening muscles while extending the neck, the tongue will simply fall back and block the airway. .............................. [Reply] Well, just get your mouth wide open like you're about to vomit (no interpretation of your feelings intended) with the glossal organ (=tongue) in the maximally exserted configuration, then tilt your head backward and the soft palate will swing clear of the tongue. Breathing becomes impossible, because the resistance to flow is switched off. Tilt your head back to normal and breathing resumes. Now in the tilted back position place your hand against the tongue and upper lip to leave a small gap. Breathing can resume because of the resistance. Move your hand away and breathing is arrested again. Seems as fool-proof as the knee reflex. Who said anything about relaxing jaw-opening muscles? Seems to me that the medical doctrine about the nose only "warming, humidifying and filtering" the air makes nonsense of the idea of an invigorating deep breath. See http://www.bcm.edu/oto/grand/72194.html on the dilemma of nose surgeons causing so much damage. "By far the most common cause of external valve malfunction is iatrogenic or surgically induced trauma." And "over 60 billion dollars a year is spent on the surgical treatment". They think that the nose is badly designed (form disagrees with function). If the deliberate "suction producing effect" of the nose during an inhale could be considered a lot of trouble might be avoided, or must docs be permanently resistant to this type of feedback? As for further tricks: try doing qigong to slow down breathing to around 20 secs. per breathing cycle. Strenuous but works wonders for clearing mucus from the chest, at least with me and most probably with most folks, I think Regards, Richard Friedel >[Bob] You must be laughing, thinking about people gaping their gobs and >extruding their tongues, then extending their necks back like some [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >resistance. Move your hand away and breathing is arrested again. Seems >as fool-proof as the knee reflex. You may be surprised to learn that the knee reflex (or any other reflex, for that matter) is highly variable among people. Perhaps this is the case here; not exactly fool-proof. |
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