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fatherplusfour@yahoo.com - 01 Feb 2006 14:23 GMT
Lately when I've been waking up (sometimes in the middle of the night)
I seem to have very definite symptoms of an allergy.  My eyes itch
badly, I cough, my chest is very tight like I have the beginning of
asthma coming on, and my head gets congested (can't breathe out my
nose).

As soon as I get up and get going it seems to go away though my
breathing still seems to stay tight throughout the day and if I jog or
exert myself I can feel it.  At night it seems like it happens if I
sleep on the couch or in bed and it definitely seems worse now that
it's been really wet out.

Where should I start to figure out what's triggering this?  I'm not a
big fan of going to the doctor and am not really keen on all of the
allergy tests that I hear people getting done though I suppose I could
go that route as a last resort.

I will say that when I lived near Portland, OR where it was really wet
I basically got asthma.  It gradually got so bad that I had to have an
inhaler whenever I physically exerted myself.  Before I moved to
Portland I was in superb shape (mountain climbing guide) so I was
really blown away to get asthma when I had been in such good shape.

When they tested me for asthma they put me in this chamber and had me
do a bunch of breathing tests and then they had me breathe this
chemical that instantly triggered the asthma and then they gave me an
inhaler and it went away.  So I definitely know that Portland climate
(or something) was causing my asthma.

Then I moved to Central Oregon (very dry) and within a month my asthma
*completely* disappeared.  No problems whatsoever.

Now I'm in another state where it's not super wet except in the spring
(and this winter for some reason).   I really haven't had a problem
until this winter when this *&^ rain won't stop.  I can't move (job)
and I don't want to have to start using an inhaler again.

So it all points to something that is causing this and I really would
like to isolate the cause so that I can continue to live here
year-round.

Any ideas?

John
NorthShoreCEO - 01 Feb 2006 14:38 GMT
It sounds like a mold allergy.  I'm in IL and everyone I know
with mold allergies are having a really tough time this winter,
because the weather has been unseasonably warm and wet, and
without it ever getting cold enough for the ground to freeze, the
mold is alive and well.  They're also complaining of tearing eyes
and shortness of breath.  You might want to ask your doctor if
you can try Flonase nasal spray and an antihistime, to see if
that helps.  If not, you may need to be on asthma meds
seasonally.
SJF - 01 Feb 2006 15:36 GMT
> It sounds like a mold allergy.  I'm in IL and everyone I know with mold
> allergies are having a really tough time this winter, because the weather
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> ask your doctor if you can try Flonase nasal spray and an antihistime, to
> see if that helps.  If not, you may need to be on asthma meds seasonally.
SJF - 01 Feb 2006 15:42 GMT
>> It sounds like a mold allergy.  I'm in IL and everyone I know with mold
>> allergies are having a really tough time this winter, because the weather
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>> to see if that helps.  If not, you may need to be on asthma meds
>> seasonally.

"It sounds like a mold allergy"

Or possibly a dust mite allergy.  Dust mites survive only in rather humid
environments as do molds.  Either would fit your pattern of relief in dryer
locals.

SJF
Lou Pecora - 02 Feb 2006 19:50 GMT
You've already started getting some (educated?) guesses here, but I go
back to your reluctance to see a doctor and get some basic testing done.  
You do sound like you have allergies and you are reacting.  So seeing a
doctor (allergist or pulmonologist, for example) makes more sense than
asking a a bunch of strangers to guess your problem.  That is the best
advice IMHO.

-- Lou Pecora  (my views are my own) REMOVE THIS to email me.
Jason - 02 Feb 2006 20:31 GMT
> You've already started getting some (educated?) guesses here, but I go
> back to your reluctance to see a doctor and get some basic testing done.  
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>
> -- Lou Pecora  (my views are my own) REMOVE THIS to email me.

Lou,
Excellent post--I agree with you. I recently had a test for asthma. The
test only took about 30 minutes. That's much better than guessing. it's
impossible for most people to determine if they have asthma or some other
medical problem.
Also, ask for a chest X-Ray.  
Jason

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Rick - 04 Feb 2006 20:07 GMT
> > You've already started getting some (educated?) guesses here, but I go
> > back to your reluctance to see a doctor and get some basic testing done.
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> Also, ask for a chest X-Ray.
> Jason

Couldn't agree more. I have allergies. And right now because of repairs
done in my apartment I now have "asthma type symptoms" when I wake up.
But it's my allergist who makes the call on whether it's an allergic
reaction or asthma. And decides the course of treatment. *Any* time some
one describes a symptom like "my chest is very tight" you don't want to
screw around with it - you could be inches away from a serious cardiac
problem.

Rick
Brad_Chad - 02 Feb 2006 07:03 GMT
> Lately when I've been waking up (sometimes in the middle of the night)
> I seem to have very definite symptoms of an allergy.  My eyes itch
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>
> Any ideas?

    I tell people all the time that Hidden Food Sensitivities may be
triggering your asthma. Hidden Food Sensitivities can trigger asthma,
eczema, psoriasis, migraines, hayfever, fatigue, joint pain, and many
other health problems. For more info, you can talk to a naturopathic
doctor (Yellow Pages) or an alternative doctor (www.acam.org). Several
doctors have written books about this (public library). Once you find
your Hidden Food Allergies, your energy level may skyrocket.

    Brad_Chad

> John
NorthShoreCEO - 02 Feb 2006 13:33 GMT
>> Lately when I've been waking up (sometimes in the middle of
>> the night)
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>>
>> John

And proving my point ONCE AGAIN!
Brad_Chad - 03 Feb 2006 06:56 GMT
> And proving my point ONCE AGAIN

    What point?

    Brad Chad
NorthShoreCEO - 03 Feb 2006 14:07 GMT
>> And proving my point ONCE AGAIN
>
>     What point?
>
>     Brad Chad

That cutting and pasting leaves one mindlessly lame.
MGB - 02 Feb 2006 20:55 GMT
>> Lately when I've been waking up (sometimes in the middle of the night)
>> I seem to have very definite symptoms of an allergy.  My eyes itch
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>      Brad_Chad
>> John

this post keeps showing up.  It sure sounds more like an advertisement,
if not outright snake oil salesmanship.  See a real doctor
ARoberts - 03 Feb 2006 02:17 GMT
>>> Lately when I've been waking up (sometimes in the middle of the night)
>>> I seem to have very definite symptoms of an allergy.  My eyes itch
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> this post keeps showing up.  It sure sounds more like an advertisement, if
> not outright snake oil salesmanship.  See a real doctor

You've met the resident "rubber stamp" artist, who has managed to read one
or two books, and takes every opportunity to crow about it here
(irrespective of its relevance).  If ignorance is bliss, then he is
ecstatic.
NorthShoreCEO - 03 Feb 2006 02:53 GMT
>>> Lately when I've been waking up (sometimes in the middle of
>>> the night)
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> advertisement, if not outright snake oil salesmanship.  See a
> real doctor

Yeah....like a shrink.
Bentrina - 03 Feb 2006 00:00 GMT
Sounds like mold allergies.  They have a tendency to be more prevalent
in the wet season, they usually wake the effected person at around 2am
when the spores release and cloth surfaces are a favorite place to live
and grow.  They get worse as the season progresses.  They start as a
runny nose which gets worse, then your eyes begin to itch, then you
feel hard of breathing and if it gets bad enough you break out in hive
like skin rashes that make you itch like crazy.

Here are some websites that I have found useful:
http://www.onlineallergycenter.com/airborneallergies/
http://www.allergybuyersclub.com/mold-center.html

We live in a home with hardwood floors, a hepa forced air heating
system, we have industrial strength black lights, and have begun using
ozone to treat the house.
Unless you are having a severe reaction I think you can start with the
ozone treatments and see if that helps improve your problem.

Here are a few sites that offer ozone generators:
http://www.jenesco.com/
http://www.air-zone.com/
http://www.longevityresources.com/htdocs/index.html

Good luck.

> Lately when I've been waking up (sometimes in the middle of the night)
> I seem to have very definite symptoms of an allergy.  My eyes itch
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>
> John
fatherplusfour@yahoo.com - 03 Feb 2006 14:39 GMT
Last night was a lot better.  I still had a little bit of sniffle and
itchy eyes but all in all much better.  We cleaned all the visible mold
we could find in the house and also switched our laundry detergent to
All Free and Clear.  Maybe I was allergic to the detergent.  When the
rest of the clothes and bedding gets washed we'll see how that does.

I'm also researching black lights and ozone generators.  Hopefully we
can get this thing licked once and for all.

Thanks for all your helpful responses.  Sometimes a doctor is needed
but often a community of peers really helps folks try things to see
what works for them.

John
jackmallory@webtv.net - 03 Feb 2006 15:13 GMT
If it's rain and humidity bothering you get a  dehumidifier,
particularly one for your sleeping room.  Cost you about two hundred
dollars.  You'll likely notice the improvement in just a few days if not
sooner.  Set the machine at thirty-five or forty percent.  

Then get one for your living area.

Good luck.---Jack
NorthShoreCEO - 03 Feb 2006 15:28 GMT
> Last night was a lot better.  I still had a little bit of
> sniffle and
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>
> John

Sounds like a good start, although the mold in the air
during/after rains or during warmer winters when the ground
doesn't freeze won't be helped by that.  You really should have
some allergy tests and seek treatment for allergies.

And, as SJF pointed out, dust mites may be a problem, so you
should be using hypoallergenic covers for your mattress and
pillows.
SJF - 03 Feb 2006 18:36 GMT
> Last night was a lot better.  I still had a little bit of sniffle and
> itchy eyes but all in all much better.  We cleaned all the visible mold
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>
> John

Please note that all molds are not generated indoors.  A lot of recent news
discussion of moldy houses has perhaps fostered this impression.
Reports of air quality testing for local allergens such as --

http://www.aaaai.org/nab/index.cfm?p=pollen

list the outdoor allergens as trees, weeds, grasses -- and molds.  These
tests are performed by sampling outdoor air.

Comparing your periods of allergy symptoms to the published peaks in pollen
(or mold) counts may provide helpful clues to the source of the problem, but
even if successful, would take a rather long time.  Allergy tests are not
infallible, but they would seem to be the first course of action if you have
a real problem.

SJF
00doc - 05 Feb 2006 19:28 GMT
> I'm also researching black lights and ozone generators.  Hopefully we
> can get this thing licked once and for all.

Don't bother - neither are worth anything.

Go with a HEPA filter if you want to do something like this.

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J W - 03 Feb 2006 18:14 GMT
I'd start with replacing my pillows and getting a mite proof mattress
cover.
You probably are using chopped foam filled or something similar pillows.
They are a breeding ground for all sorts of bacteria and parasites
(mites for one) which is probably triggering your allergy. You say it
only happens when you lay on the bed or couch so logic says it's
something in, on or near them that is causing the problem.

check everything that is around your bed and couch and remove any
plants, air fresheners, potpouri, etc. that may be triggering the
problem. If you have pets, train them not to go on the couch or beds as
they leave hair, dander and all sorts of nasty buggers on whatever they
lay on.
The human body sheds millions of microscopic pieces of skin dirt, oils &
dander on the surfaces where we lay and sleep plus we sweat on them and
all sorts of nasty parasites that get inside the mattress and pillows
breed and feed on those things. the toxins they release (waste) builds
up and is what we are allergic to.

Bottom line get a northern nights non allergenic FEATHER pillow.
Feathers don't harbor these nasty things as much as man made foam or
polyfil type pillows do and they aren't real expensive. secondly I'd
invest in a mite proof mattress cover, that way the mess that may be in
your mattress can't get through to you. You also need to wash your
sheets, mattress cover and pillows often and use lysol or something
similar when you wash them to kill bacteria.

Most of us change our sheets regularly at least once a week but frankly
I never gave much thought to the pillow or the mattress beyond changing
the pillowcase. Since I added the mattress cover, changed pillows and
started washing and replacing the pillows regularly too I have far less
asthma problems. As for the couch probably the same problem. Probably a
cloth or material covered couch that you've had a while and has built up
bacteria and parasites within it. Regular steam cleaning with an
antibacterial added to the cleaning solution and perhaps using a tightly
woven fabric for a couch cover may help. If not, toss the couch and get
a new one, .  

Rain unfortunately triggers asthma as it brings all the pollen that's in
the air down to your level, on the ground. Not much can be done about
that except when it's rainy take lots of vitamin C, drink lots of waer
to keep the junk washed out of yer system and stay indoors as much as
you can with the air or heat running to filter the air.

Regards,
Jonboy


waking up with asthma type symptoms  

Group: alt.support.asthma Date: Wed, Feb 1, 2006, 6:23am (EST-3) From:
fatherplusfour@yahoo.com
Lately when I've been waking up (sometimes in the middle of the night) I
seem to have very definite symptoms of an allergy. My eyes itch badly, I
cough, my chest is very tight like I have the beginning of asthma coming
on, and my head gets congested (can't breathe out my nose).
As soon as I get up and get going it seems to go away though my
breathing still seems to stay tight throughout the day and if I jog or
exert myself I can feel it. At night it seems like it happens if I sleep
on the couch or in bed and it definitely seems worse now that it's been
really wet out.
Where should I start to figure out what's triggering this? I'm not a big
fan of going to the doctor and am not really keen on all of the allergy
tests that I hear people getting done though I suppose I could go that
route as a last resort.
I will say that when I lived near Portland, OR where it was really wet I
basically got asthma. It gradually got so bad that I had to have an
inhaler whenever I physically exerted myself. Before I moved to Portland
I was in superb shape (mountain climbing guide) so I was really blown
away to get asthma when I had been in such good shape.
When they tested me for asthma they put me in this chamber and had me do
a bunch of breathing tests and then they had me breathe this chemical
that instantly triggered the asthma and then they gave me an inhaler and
it went away. So I definitely know that Portland climate (or something)
was causing my asthma.
Then I moved to Central Oregon (very dry) and within a month my asthma
*completely* disappeared. No problems whatsoever.
Now I'm in another state where it's not super wet except in the spring
(and this winter for some reason).   I really haven't had a problem
until this winter when this *&^ rain won't stop. I can't move (job) and
I don't want to have to start using an inhaler again.
So it all points to something that is causing this and I really would
like to isolate the cause so that I can continue to live here
year-round.
Any ideas?
John
NorthShoreCEO - 03 Feb 2006 19:22 GMT
Bottom line get a northern nights non allergenic FEATHER pillow.
Feathers don't harbor these nasty things as much as man made foam
or
polyfil type pillows do and they aren't real expensive.

I don't know how you have a non-allergenic feather pillow, but
given the worry about bird flu and the number of companies that
have their goods made in Asia, I wouldn't get feather anything.
Nikki - 03 Feb 2006 20:07 GMT
Some times the climate can really make a difference, My six year old son
suffers from asthma so bad in the winter, the children hospital in my area
where we go, call the hospital my winter home we have spent so much time
there, but in the summer he is a lot better,
He also had bad food allergies as a baby and before then i never knew how
much havoc they could play with your body , he lost his hearing and had to
get tubes from so much fluid, spent the first three months of his life in
and out of the hospital because of  it, they caused an entire list of other
things to happen....
allergies and asthma can be caused from many different things, its best to
have a doctor who knows your history and can determin what you need to be
tested for, figure it out, that way you dont end up with more problems down
the road
I think most adults decide not to go to the doctor the minute they start
feeling better and next time it ends up worse.
hope things get better and your feeling well
Nikki

> Bottom line get a northern nights non allergenic FEATHER pillow.
> Feathers don't harbor these nasty things as much as man made foam or
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> worry about bird flu and the number of companies that have their goods
> made in Asia, I wouldn't get feather anything.
NorthShoreCEO - 04 Feb 2006 14:56 GMT
> Some times the climate can really make a difference, My six
> year old son suffers from asthma so bad in the winter, the
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> hope things get better and your feeling well
> Nikki

It sounds like your son is struggling with asthma more than most
kids do.  You might want to check out this testimonial from a
mother whose son was treated with antibiotics using Dr. Hahn's
regimen:

http://forum.asthmastory.com/viewtopic.php?t=277
Nikki - 04 Feb 2006 16:38 GMT
I will check it out, it would take hours of writing to explain all he has
been through so I wont ill keep it short, he is a pretty tuff kid. During
his first year, we had ongoing problems with allergies, RSV, pneumonia,
croup, so with in a year he was on a nebulizer using albuterol a lot, but we
figured like most kids he would grow out of it, it has been an ongoing
problem every year, it was not till last year when it started getting out of
hand albuterol would only work for a short time, he started having more
problems with his sinuses and a lot of mucus, they tested him for CF, my
husband carries the most common gene for it, his mom and other family
members died from it, so we went to genetic counseling, Luke does not carry
the genes they are able to test for now, so he ended up in the hospital for
some time on a lot of antibiotics over five of them (not at the same time),
in the end after being on oral steroids for longer then he should have, I
took him to pulmonology, they were great, they put him on pulmocurt
(spelling) twice a day to control it, and a strong antibiotic at a low does
over a longer period, and he started feeling better, this was after almost
three months in and out of the hospital, so he was ok over summer, this
December he got bad again, his asthma is again out of control, he again has
been on antibiotics ceftin, they are extending it so he will be on it for 25
days, he has already been on three 14 day courses of omnicef, and two 5 day
courses of oral steroids, so they put him on atravent w/liquid  albuterol
(add it with a dropper) then he uses his packets of albuterol  in-between,
so its every four hours albuterol, 3 times a day albuterol w/atravent, as
long as he is on the oral steroids he cant take his pulmacurt, so we are
waiting to finish it, he had to still go to the hospital two days ago
because his chest was so tight and his oxygen would not come up to the 90's
so its been hard but he is surprisingly ok with all of it, he says don't
worry I will be ok, its hard to feel sorry for him when he dont feel sorry
for him self,  he is a good kid, who has just been though a lot, we are now
working together with a pulmonary doctor, ENT doctor, allergy doctor, and
his doctor which I think will work better now that they are working
together, but for what ever reason, when he gets sick his asthma gets bad
and its harder to get him through it now,
I will check out the link thank you
Nikki (luke's mom)

>> Some times the climate can really make a difference, My six year old son
>> suffers from asthma so bad in the winter, the children hospital in my
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>
> http://forum.asthmastory.com/viewtopic.php?t=277
Brad_Chad - 04 Feb 2006 20:41 GMT
> I will check it out, it would take hours of writing to explain all he has
> been through so I wont ill keep it short, he is a pretty tuff kid. During
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> I will check out the link thank you
> Nikki (luke's mom)

    There is a very good chance that Hidden Food Sensitivities
(allergies) is playing a role in your kids health problems. The only
100% accurate test for food sensitivities is the elimination diet.
Conventional allergist usually do far less accurate tests. The second
best food sensitivity test that I have found is one done by a company
called Immuno Laboratories (in Florida). It's a blood test, and you can
get the results in about 10 days. It is much more expensive than most
food intolerance blood test, but it is well worth it. It found food
problems that other blood tests, I had, missed. They even mail you a
guarantee with the results that you will notice measurable improvement,
if you eliminate the foods that they say (under certain conditions).
The results come in a booklet form (really nice).

    Brad_Chad

> >> Some times the climate can really make a difference, My six year old son
> >> suffers from asthma so bad in the winter, the children hospital in my
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> >
> > http://forum.asthmastory.com/viewtopic.php?t=277
Nikki - 04 Feb 2006 23:54 GMT
He had sever dairy allergies from the time he was a baby until he was four,
which he now tests neg for, however he does not eat any dairy anyway so it
don't make a difference, but he has been though extensive allergy testing
for just about every thing you can think of, even after tests have been neg
we have removed things from his diet and things he comes in contact with,
just to see if it would make any difference but being that I can count the
things he eats on my hands it was not hard he is a picky eater, we wrote
down every ingredient in the things he ate and checked it out. He has had
the prick tests, blood testing every year, he has one of the best allergy
doctors in Pittsburgh from children's hospital, also a pulmonary doctor from
there, so if he had any problems as far as allergies go we would have caught
it all ready, I wish it was that simple, it would of avoided many of
hospital stays...his problem is his lungs and his body does not get rid of
mucus the way it should.
thanks for the thought
Nikki

>> I will check it out, it would take hours of writing to explain all he has
>> been through so I wont ill keep it short, he is a pretty tuff kid. During
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>> >
>> > http://forum.asthmastory.com/viewtopic.php?t=277
Brad_Chad - 05 Feb 2006 03:42 GMT
> He had sever dairy allergies from the time he was a baby until he was four,
> which he now tests neg for, however he does not eat any dairy anyway so it
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> thanks for the thought
> Nikki

    I had several tests for food sensitivities that said that I had no
problem with corn or dairy. I did my own testing by keeping a food
diary and removing those foods from my diet. I noticed significant
health improvements. Conventional doctors don't want you to know that
their tests are not accurate. Conventional doctors don't know many,
many things about the human body. They are a long way from God in that
respect. Talk to an alternative doctor (www.acam.org) or a naturopathic
doctor (Yellow Pages).  It is worth it.

    Brad_Chad

> >> I will check it out, it would take hours of writing to explain all he has
> >> been through so I wont ill keep it short, he is a pretty tuff kid. During
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> >> > http://forum.asthmastory.com/viewtopic.php?t=277
Nikki - 05 Feb 2006 05:03 GMT
I think we went as far as possible with allergies, like I said not only did
we do tests, I eliminated one by one things he ate and their is only nine
things he eats on a reg bases so it was not hard, Luke had lung problems
early on, he got a bad case of rsv, and pneumonia which caused some damage,
his allergy doctor did food test and he was allergic to dairy, but since he
don't touch it, it did not matter much.
thanks nikki

>> He had sever dairy allergies from the time he was a baby until he was
>> four,
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>> >> > http://forum.asthmastory.com/viewtopic.php?t=277
Alison Chaiken - 05 Feb 2006 06:52 GMT
> Luke had lung problems early on, he got a bad case of rsv

What's rsv, a virus?

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Nikki - 05 Feb 2006 13:03 GMT
Yes, in adults and even older kids its not bad i think most of us get it,
but in babies and young children it can cause a lot of problems, they check
them by swabing the mucus in their nose for the virus. Luke was dx when he
was only 34 days old the first time, it led into pneumonia, and caused a lot
of damage.
here is the info and the link if you want to see it.
thanks nikki

Most infants and children overcome RSV infections, which are often
asymptomatic and therefore unnoticed. However, those with more serious
infections may be susceptible to the development of long-term pulmonary
sequelae.
Recurring Respiratory Problems
Reactive airway disease and pulmonary function deficits are two conditions
known to strike those who have suffered from RSV bronchiolitis in their
first year of life, even in children whose initial illness did not require
hospitalization.10 Wheezing and asthma have also been identified in children
10 years after suffering an RSV lower respiratory tract infection in
infancy. 11 This susceptibility to asthma and wheezing may have been caused
by the early infection damaging the growing lung. However, genetics may also
play a role in predisposing patients with RSV to the development of
recurring respiratory problems

http://www.rsvinfo.com/sequelae/sequelae.html

>> Luke had lung problems early on, he got a bad case of rsv
>
> What's rsv, a virus?
00doc - 05 Feb 2006 19:31 GMT
> He had sever dairy allergies ......

Good point.

I hate to encourage a certain someone but when I was waking up wheezing
every night for a while it turned out to be a milk allergy. It could be a
food allergy and dairy would be a very common one.

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Nikki - 05 Feb 2006 19:45 GMT
yes he had a dairy allergy for quite some time he was dx with them at a few
months and put on a special formula, but he now has tested neg and it don't
matter any way he wont touch anything remotely related to dairy, not even
ice cream, and what kid don't like that,  the only meat he eats is chicken,
and the rest fruit and veg, he has been tested for each of the nine things
he eats, he is very picky, don't like many foods at all, and we spent an
entire year eliminating each from his diet even after a neg test, made no
difference, and every time I ask them to retest they do, so I think I have
covered allergies, up until four he would quite breathing when exposed to
dairy, but around four he stopped testing positive for the allergy, however
after four years of being told no you cant have it, he don't want it, and he
was not only kept away from dairy we checked ingredients on everything
because a lot of things have dairy in them just under a different name I
have a long list, we spent four years reading every label, I would worry
about it more if his diet expanded but like I said I can count the things he
eats on my hands, and they are all what they are like corn, pea's, chicken,
nothing added, he don't even eat candy, he eats fruit instead.
but yes I do know how bad a food allergy can be
thanks nikki

>> He had sever dairy allergies ......
>
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> every night for a while it turned out to be a milk allergy. It could be a
> food allergy and dairy would be a very common one.
Brad_Chad - 06 Feb 2006 01:54 GMT
> yes he had a dairy allergy for quite some time he was dx with them at a few
> months and put on a special formula, but he now has tested neg and it don't
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> but yes I do know how bad a food allergy can be
> thanks nikki

    Naturopathic doctors and alternative doctors are not only good for
food alleries. It may be good to see them just for a different
perspective.

    Brad_Chad

> >> He had sever dairy allergies ......
> >
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> > every night for a while it turned out to be a milk allergy. It could be a
> > food allergy and dairy would be a very common one.
Brad_Chad - 06 Feb 2006 01:54 GMT
> yes he had a dairy allergy for quite some time he was dx with them at a few
> months and put on a special formula, but he now has tested neg and it don't
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> but yes I do know how bad a food allergy can be
> thanks nikki

    Naturopathic doctors and alternative doctors are not only good for
food alleries. It may be good to see them just for a different
perspective.

    Brad_Chad

> >> He had sever dairy allergies ......
> >
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> > every night for a while it turned out to be a milk allergy. It could be a
> > food allergy and dairy would be a very common one.
00doc - 06 Feb 2006 13:42 GMT
> yes he had a dairy allergy for quite some time he was dx with them at a
> few months and put on a special formula, but he now has tested neg and it
> don't matter any way he wont touch anything remotely related to dairy, not
> even ice cream, and what kid don't like that,

If he was known to have a dairy allergy at one point that makes it all the
more likely he is reacting to dairy now (no matter what teh tests show -
treat the patient not the test). Of course, he does have to eat it to react
to it.

> the only meat he eats is chicken, and the rest fruit and veg,

Some people are allergic to citrus and some other fruits (banana and kiwi
both cross react with latex allergies, for instance). Some people have a
cross reaction between certain tree allergies (Birch IIRC) and a protien in
the skins of some fruits that is denatured when cooked. If he reacts with
funny sensations around the mouth to some raw fruits but not to peeled or
cooked fruits then this might be the case (fortunately this is almost never
a severe allergy - more of a nusiance).

> he has been tested for each of the nine things

Eh. The tests (especially RAST) are just a guide. The true proof is whether
the person reacts.

> I would worry about it more if his diet expanded but like I said I can
> count the things he eats on my hands,

You can develope new allergies (and begin reacting to old ones again) at any
time. I had always been a big milk drinker (for 25 years or so of my life)
when I started reacting to milk.

> and they are all what they are like corn,

Corn is a common one.

> pea's, chicken,

I'm actually allergic to chicken. That is a rare allergy, though. I've only
heard of two other people who have it and never met anyone with it
personally. That is comming from a guiy who spends a good part of every day
asking people what they are allergic to.

> but yes I do know how bad a food allergy can be
> thanks nikki

It sounds like you have considered it and are aware of the issues. I would
guess that food allergy is not it but I would not write it off completely
and would keep an eye out for it (which it sounds like you are doing).

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Nikki - 06 Feb 2006 15:57 GMT
Yes I am watching I have seen first hand the problems food allergies can
cause, and although he has tested neg for dairy for the last year, I trust
that if he won't touch it there is a reason, as a matter a fact his allergy
doctor said to me the day we got the neg test back, if he don't want it
don't ever force him because he knows his body better then me and you, and
there is a reason if he is not eating it, now some of it is I know in his
head because if you gets eggs out while he is in the room he will leave
right away, wants no part of them.
I would have a big problem if he had a problem with chicken, I am not joking
when I tell you its pretty normal for him to eat chicken for breakfast,
lunch, dinner, and believe me there is only so much you can do with chicken.
We had taken each veg out of his diet that he eats when we were double
checking what the test results said, did not seem to make much difference,
but because of his history I keep a close eye on it and how he reacts to
different things.
Thank you so much, and I know you are right since he has been allergic to
dairy he still might be, maybe that is what he is thinking.
Nikki

>> yes he had a dairy allergy for quite some time he was dx with them at a
>> few months and put on a special formula, but he now has tested neg and it
[quoted text clipped - 45 lines]
> guess that food allergy is not it but I would not write it off completely
> and would keep an eye out for it (which it sounds like you are doing).
Brad_Chad - 06 Feb 2006 01:47 GMT
> > He had sever dairy allergies ......
>
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> --
> 00doc

    I know you love me OOdoc. Go ahead, admit it.

    Brad_Chad
00doc - 06 Feb 2006 13:44 GMT
>> > He had sever dairy allergies ......
>>
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>
>     I know you love me OOdoc. Go ahead, admit it.

You do serve a purpose. Not the one you intend but.....

BTW - I love it when people type "OO" (letters) instead of "00" (numbers).
It shows that they do not get the joke.

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Brad_Chad - 11 Feb 2006 04:02 GMT
> Some times the climate can really make a difference, My six year old son
> suffers from asthma so bad in the winter, the children hospital in my area
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> hope things get better and your feeling well
> Nikki

    If your child had bad food allergies as a baby, he probably has
food allergies now. You may not have caught ALL of his food
sensitivities. The food sensitivity testing performed in an allergist's
office is not very accurate. It is more accurate to do an elimination
diet. If you don't want to do that (it is hard on a kid), then start
keeping a food diary, and see how he feels if you remove foods from his
diet one at a time. For example, try wheat for a few days, then soy,
etc.. See if you can find, "Dr.Braly's Food Allergy and Nutrition
Revolution" at the library. Another good book is, "Food Allergies and
Nutrition Revolution" by Dr. Jonathan Brostoff. Dr. Brostoff says, in
his book, that 80% of people who have asthma as a kid have some type of
food sensitivity. These problems have a way of being very hard to catch
because so many additives are made from foods that people are sensitive
to.

    If all else fails, get on a phone and talk to a naturopathic
doctor (Yellow Pages) for 5 minutes, and see if they have any ideas. An
alternative doctor (www.acam.org) may help also.

    Brad_Chad

> > Bottom line get a northern nights non allergenic FEATHER pillow.
> > Feathers don't harbor these nasty things as much as man made foam or
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> > worry about bird flu and the number of companies that have their goods
> > made in Asia, I wouldn't get feather anything.
NorthShoreCEO - 11 Feb 2006 16:03 GMT
>> Some times the climate can really make a difference, My six
>> year old son
[quoted text clipped - 59 lines]
>
>     Brad_Chad

Geeze, how many times are you going to harrass someone with your
Bradspeak?   She's already replied more than once that she feels
comfortable with what they're doing.   Go find someone else to
save.

If you ever have a stroke (God forbid - I'm not wishing that on
you), be sure you don't call 9-1-1 because they don't know as
much as your naturopathic doctor does.  Call him instead.
Brad_Chad - 11 Feb 2006 20:39 GMT
> Geeze, how many times are you going to harrass someone with your
> Bradspeak?   She's already replied more than once that she feels
> comfortable with what they're doing.   Go find someone else to
> save.

    Well, if she feels comfortable with what she is doing, why is she
asking for help from us? I was just telling her that if she can't get
satisfaction with conventional medicine, then she should try
alternative medicine. Other than that, I can't see how anybody here can
help.

> If you ever have a stroke (God forbid - I'm not wishing that on
> you), be sure you don't call 9-1-1 because they don't know as
> much as your naturopathic doctor does.  Call him instead.

    Far less people would have strokes, in the first place, if they
saw naturopathic doctors more often in their lives. Naturopathic
doctors promote a lifestyle of preventing health problems. Conventional
medicine is all about expensive drugs, and expensive medical
procedures. And, we all pay for it all through higher taxes, and
costlier consumer goods.

    Brad_Chad
Nikki - 12 Feb 2006 00:42 GMT
Please tell me when I ask someone for help... I didn't...
I read a post about someone waking up with asthma symptoms, and having
problems with the different seasons/climate, I told them my experience, that
the change in weather or climate can cause a lot of problems with asthma, I
wrote about my son because he is fine in the summer does not get sick at all
and does not have asthma attacks, but in the winter he has problems through
the entire season, every time he gets sick. I am a mother, I would not come
to a message board to figure out what is wrong with my son, he goes to one
of the best children's hospitals were he has an allergy doctor, and asthma
doctor, and an ENT doctor. After giving my opinion you wrote I should have
him checked for allergies, (several times) I explained to you on several
different posts, he has been checked over and over, I know what his
allergies are, they do not effect his asthma, and are not what is causing
his asthma, I know why he has asthma, he has lung damage which causes his
lungs to be weak, He has several problems with RSV as a baby. I think there
is a place for natural doctors and I'm sure they can help, but no I would
not leave my child's life in their hands
so to respond to your post, I was not here looking to help my son, I do that
at the doctors office, I was just telling someone about my experience.
Nikki

>> Geeze, how many times are you going to harrass someone with your
>> Bradspeak?   She's already replied more than once that she feels
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
>     Brad_Chad
ARoberts - 12 Feb 2006 18:38 GMT
> Please tell me when I ask someone for help... I didn't...
> I read a post about someone waking up with asthma symptoms, and having
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> experience.
> Nikki

Thanks for posting your experiences, and insights.  Of course, this show how
much of a tin ear brad has when responding to posts.  He has no
comprehension of what is being posted; he just posts the same drivel over
and over...
Nikki - 12 Feb 2006 20:46 GMT
It was getting a bit aggravating, I did not mind the first time, but i could
only explain it so many ways and times to one person.
Some people just get their mind set on one thing and wont hear nothing else
Thank You for understanding
Nikki

>> Please tell me when I ask someone for help... I didn't...
>> I read a post about someone waking up with asthma symptoms, and having
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> comprehension of what is being posted; he just posts the same drivel over
> and over...
NorthShoreCEO - 12 Feb 2006 20:59 GMT
> It was getting a bit aggravating,

We know the feeling!!!!

I did not mind the first time, but i could
> only explain it so many ways and times to one person.

It wouldn't matter if you explained it five times or five
thousand times with him.

> Some people just get their mind set on one thing and wont hear
> nothing else

Ha - and all this time he's been saying it was us, not him.

At this point, any normal person being called out for hassling
someone would stop being so obnoxious and pushy.  Let's see if
Brad Chad can change his behavior.  I'm not hopeful, but let's
see.....
Brad_Chad - 13 Feb 2006 09:49 GMT
    I keeping saying the same thing over and over again, because
people never listen. I said that even if you don't think that you have
food sensitivities, you still should talk to either a naturopathic
doctor (Yellow Pages) or an alternative doctor (www.acam.org). How many
of you have made the call (for 5 minutes) ?

    Brad_Chad
NorthShoreCEO - 13 Feb 2006 12:49 GMT
>     I keeping saying the same thing over and over again,
> because
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>     Brad_Chad

You're like a two year old having a temper tantrum.  Go resolve
your issues of not being heard with your shrink and get some
fresh air.  It may clear your head.
NorthShoreCEO - 13 Feb 2006 13:54 GMT
>>     I keeping saying the same thing over and over again,
>> because
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> your issues of not being heard with your shrink and get some
> fresh air.  It may clear your head.

Oh, and if you don't have one, look in the yellow pages.
aroberts - 13 Feb 2006 22:02 GMT
> I keeping saying the same thing over and over again, because
> people never listen.

>      Brad_Chad

Then you should understand that there is a reason that everyone tunes
you out.

Essentially, you are just here to use people.  Anyone who posts on any
aspect of asthma is subjected to your repetitive and usually off-topic
response.  People don't like being used, and that's what you try to do.

You are not even accurate, because you make discredited claims about
the significance of food allergies' implication in asthma, when it has
been shown to have less impact than air-borne allergens and other
factors.

It has little to do with "listening"; people just don't agree with your
specious postings.  You are one of those who tries to replace evidence
with repetition.
Brad_Chad - 14 Feb 2006 08:41 GMT
> Then you should understand that there is a reason that everyone tunes
> you out.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> specious postings.  You are one of those who tries to replace evidence
> with repetition.

    I told you before. The food sensitivity tests performed by most
conventional allergists are very poor at detecting anything other than
true food allergies. Food sensitivities can work together with pollen,
dust, etc. to trigger asthma symptoms. This is why I say that you can
significantly reduce or eliminate your asthma symptoms. It is not quite
a cure, but it is close. In addition, your energy level may skyrocket,
and your skin may look healthier. If you never bother to research it,
you will never find out. I have helped some people with this. They were
motivated enough to look beyond conventional medicine. There are no
drugs involved in this, no inhalers, nothing.

    Brad_Chad
Jason - 19 Feb 2006 22:22 GMT
> Please tell me when I ask someone for help... I didn't...
> I read a post about someone waking up with asthma symptoms, and having
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> at the doctors office, I was just telling someone about my experience.
> Nikki

Nikki,
You explained your point of view very well. You are an excellent mother
and have done an excellent job in making sure that your son is getting
proper treatment. Don't let anyone lay a guilt trip on you.
Jason

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Nikki - 19 Feb 2006 23:23 GMT
Jason,
Thank you, after reading my post I guess it did not sound like I was being
very nice, which is not what I intended, but I was getting frustrated by the
comments that were made. I started reading this newsgroup because, I know a
lot of people with asthma end up having the same experiences and its nice to
be able to bounce things off one another, or even when you have someone who
has just been dx with it and don't know a lot about what goes on with it at
hospitals and with doctors, its nice to be able to convey that information
to them so they are a little more informed in dealing with it. Which is what
I was doing in telling this person that I also have dealt with asthma
getting worse in certain seasons & weather, and some how that lead into brad
saying if I felt comfortable in how I was treating my son why was I then
asking "him" or the "newsgroup" for help, assuming because I was here at the
newsgroup I needed help from him, and since I did not, he chose to be rude
and presume he knew my situation, in every post I have read from him it says
the same thing.....I would not take advise that was cut and pasted to posts
hundreds of times in response to anything that is said, it discredits others
and makes people not want to come here. I try to always be respectful of
other peoples beliefs and opinions, as I said I have no problem with natural
doctors, but I would expect someone to have that same respect for me, I have
a child with sever asthma, I know the doctors he sees are educated in what
they are doing, and as with anything else in life they are not perfect, I
will be the first to say that...some are worse then others...I know Luke's
doctor has been through the allergy possibility so many times, and maybe
brad thinks all doctors are out to get you and just make a buck and many
are..i'm sure... but I am confident in the fact Luke's doctor cares, because
he hates the 3am calls to the ER as much as I hate putting Luke though them.
Sorry this got so long.....and thank you jason for your words they are much
appreciated.
Nikki (luke's mom)

>> Please tell me when I ask someone for help... I didn't...
>> I read a post about someone waking up with asthma symptoms, and having
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
> proper treatment. Don't let anyone lay a guilt trip on you.
> Jason
Nikki - 11 Feb 2006 16:35 GMT
I have posted that he only eats nine things, and only four of them daily,
and we spent a year eliminating things from his diet, which again was not
hard, nothing changed, and he never eats any dairy at all, so we have
covered all his foods. He had rsv as a baby and it caused so bad damage to
his lungs
http://www.rsvinfo.com/sequelae/sequelae.html
as soon as his body has a brake from all the antibiotics he has been on for
months, his doctor is going to try another treatment i learned about from a
person on her, the treatment is with zithro, so we are hoping it will make
some difference.
Nikki

>> Some times the climate can really make a difference, My six year old son
>> suffers from asthma so bad in the winter, the children hospital in my
[quoted text clipped - 49 lines]
>> > worry about bird flu and the number of companies that have their goods
>> > made in Asia, I wouldn't get feather anything.
00doc - 11 Feb 2006 18:51 GMT
>I have posted that he only eats nine things......

Brad thinks all ailments are from food allergies (even in people who don't
know they have any ailments). No matter what anyone posts he responds
telling them it is food allergies. He will never accept that your  child (or
you or me or anyone else) has any problem ither than food allergies. It is
the only answer he is capable of giving. Don't expect anything else from
him.

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00doc - 05 Feb 2006 19:25 GMT
> Lately when I've been waking up (sometimes in the middle of the night)
> I seem to have very definite symptoms of an allergy.  My eyes itch
> badly, I cough, my chest is very tight like I have the beginning of
> asthma coming on, and my head gets congested (can't breathe out my
> nose).

>snip>

> So it all points to something that is causing this and I really would
> like to isolate the cause so that I can continue to live here
> year-round.
>
> Any ideas?

It could be a lot of things. The part about wetness could indicate mold. It
might be worse at night due to tree allergies (many produce spres at night),
dust mite allergies, or anything else in the room to which you may be
allergic. Then again, it may just be that you asthma is generally out of
control and tends to be worse at night, which is common.

You could try shutting the windows (and using AC if needed), getting a hepa
filter, and washing the sheets in hot water and getting matress and pillow
covers. You could also try leaving the house for a bit to see if it is your
house/room in particular or something in the general area. If it looks like
it is your house remove the carpets, Venitian blinds, cloth curtains,
stuffed animals, and anything else that catches and holds dust. Having an
inspection for mold might also help.

I undertsand that you don't want to see a doc but we all can't always have
what we want. You should do so sooner rather than later. An allergist would
usally be more than able to handle all of these symptoms.

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