Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Asthma / December 2005
Is RespirTea any good
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James McDone - 24 Nov 2005 21:16 GMT Did anyone tried RespirTea for their asthma? I was reading about it on the net and is sounds good, better then taking inhalers.
James
ARoberts - 25 Nov 2005 01:15 GMT > Did anyone tried RespirTea for their asthma? I was reading about it on > the net and is sounds good, better then taking inhalers. > > James No, it is not better than inhalers for asthma.
Richard Friedel - 26 Nov 2005 08:30 GMT Yes, (assuming the tea is something like European ivy extract) more or less all of the vast number of asthma docs and asthma researchers would agree with you. Their basic argument is that asthma is an idiopathic lung tissue disease, i. e. not caused or modulated by external factors like breathing. If as is good scientific thinking you assume that asthma is not idiopathic, then things make more sense, although there is no neat scientific proof or discovery.
Leaving out the idiopathic lung disease stuff, treatment with inhalers (airway dilating substances or steroids) would be chiefly considered in the context of the existing reflex system of airway control and apart from toxic effects in the body generally, rebound would be a cause of concern. It would be questionable to push or zap some elements of a complex control system into an apparently better condition without understanding the control input factors. Just think of messing around with a computer program without studying its source code.
Things speaking against the idiopathic lung disease theory or (to use that sinister word) "agenda" are: a) The fact that experimentally sled dogs get asthma with heavy and presumably unnatural exercise. This is most probably due to dysfunctional breathing in freezing air, not unmasking latent asthma. If 70% plus of top cross country skiers have an asthma diagnosis, then can this really be discovering latent asthma, even if the diagnoses are bona fide, which seems unlikely? Why should asthma with long episodes of unnatural breathlessness and possibly attacks not damage lung tissue? b) Reflux disease (GERD) is now implicated as a cause of asthma, so that in this case - as well - the asthma is not idiopathic.
Since inhalers cause reflux, refraining from their use might be a step forward, but a good understanding with a medical doctor would be necessary. On skiing asthma: see ,,The authors believe that their observations [on sled dogs] provide additional support for the contention that repeated, deep, rapid breathing with cold air can injure peripheral airways. Consequently, the airway disease identified in this population of racing sled dogs makes them potentially a very useful model for "ski asthma." (http://www.scienceblog.com/community/older/2002/G/20021018.html) IMHO it is not ,,very useful" to accept as gospel everything the "asthma professionals" say either I'd guess that synchronized breathing (like qigong) to get the tendency to insidiously hyperventilate with a vicious circle effect or the Dr. Hahn treatment often recommended on this group (see http://www.asthmastory.com/).would be good options. Regards, Richard Friedel.
jackmallory@webtv.net - 30 Nov 2005 15:33 GMT Ever since I' ve been diagnosed folks who want to be helpful have been trying to turn me on to their asthma cures. Almost without exception the cures have been no good.
Last week Jimmy brought me some woolong tea from Chinatown. This is real tea, not herbal, and it's cheap.
I couldn' believe it. Just a few sips and it was like getting albuterol for the first time!
I've used it a few afternoons subsequently, and of course the law of diminishing returns has kicked in. But it's still very noticeably effective.
That doesn' mean I've stopped albuterol, which is much more convienient.---Jack
Richard Friedel - 02 Dec 2005 08:20 GMT Jack, How about considering respiratory sinus arrhythmia and carotid baroreflex control of heart rate? The carotid sinus region of the neck has, putting it crudely, a pressure-sensitive (baroreflex) sensor causing, it seems, the acceleration of the heart rate during an inhale, because of suction. Checking this out by breathing with a definite degree of airflow resistance in the nose (producing suction in the throat) and concentrating on heart rate at the same time may correct a fault in asthmatic breathing. Laying the tip of the tongue against the gum behind the front teeth is a well known trick for increasing resistance. It only seems to be a question of patient practice at a slow breathing rate. I guess a sort of gutty feeling during an inhale, as well as thinking about what is happening in the throat, is also involved. See http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=1 0999237&dopt=Abstract Regards, Richard Friedel
Richard Friedel - 02 Dec 2005 08:36 GMT Sorry link was truncated, should be http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db =PubMed&list_uids=10999237&dopt=Abstract The two halves must be put together. RF
Richard Friedel - 02 Dec 2005 08:42 GMT Sorry, here are the two parts of the link again. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db
=PubMed&list_uids=10999237&dopt=Abstract
Richard Friedel - 26 Nov 2005 13:26 GMT Yes, more or less all of the vast number of asthma docs and asthma researchers would agree with you. Their basic argument is that asthma is an idiopathic lung tissue disease, i. e. not caused or modulated by external factors like breathing. If as is good scientific thinking you assume that asthma is not idiopathic, then things make more sense, although there is no neat scientific proof or discovery.
Leaving out the idiopathic lung disease stuff, treatment with inhalers (airway dilating substances or steroids) would be chiefly considered in the context of the existing reflex system of airway control and apart from toxic effects in the body generally, rebound would be a cause of concern. It would be questionable to push or zap some elements of a complex control system into an apparently better condition without understanding the control input factors. Just think of messing around with a computer program without studying its source code.
Things speaking against the idiopathic lung disease theory or (to use that sinister word) "agenda" are: a) The fact that experimentally sled dogs get asthma with heavy and presumably unnatural exercise. This is most probably due to dysfunctional breathing in freezing air, not unmasking latent asthma. If 70% plus of top cross country skiers have an asthma diagnosis, then can this really be discovering latent asthma, even if the diagnoses are bona fide, which seems unlikely? Why should asthma with long episodes of unnatural breathlessness and possibly attacks not damage lung tissue? b) Reflux disease (GERD) is now implicated as a cause of asthma, so that in this case - as well - the asthma is not idiopathic.
Since inhalers cause reflux, refraining from their use might be a step forward, but a good understanding with a medical doctor would be necessary. On skiing asthma: see ,,The authors believe that their observations [on sled dogs] provide additional support for the contention that repeated, deep, rapid breathing with cold air can injure peripheral airways. Consequently, the airway disease identified in this population of racing sled dogs makes them potentially a very useful model for "ski asthma." (http://www.scienceblog.com/community/older/2002/G/20021018.html) IMHO it is not ,,very useful" to accept as gospel everything the "asthma professionals" say either I'd guess that synchronized breathing (like qigong) to get the tendency to insidiously hyperventilate with a vicious circle effect or the Dr. Hahn treatment often recommended on this group (see http://www.asthmastory.com/).would be good options. Regards, Richard Friedel.
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