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Hamburgers cause asthma, NZ research says

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Roman Bystrianyk - 16 Nov 2005 03:37 GMT
Kent Atkinson, "Hamburgers cause asthma, NZ research says", New Zealand
Herald, November 8, 2005,
Link:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10354170

Eating hamburgers more than once a week nearly doubles the risk of
asthma attacks and wheezing in children, according to research carried
out on 1300 New Zealand school pupils.

Other takeaway food and fizzy drinks also increase the chances of
getting asthma, doctors found.

Youngsters who eat at least one hamburger a week are 75 per cent more
likely to have asthma and almost 100 per cent more likely to suffer
wheezing problems, according a study published yesterday in the
international scientific journal Allergy.

The investigation of the extent to which fast foods are a risk factor
for asthma was led by Dr Kristen Wickens of the Wellington Asthma
Research Group, based at the Wellington Medical School.

The group -- investigating the role played by lifestyle changes over
the past 30 years in a large increase in allergic disease -- linked the
consumption of fast food to the prevalence of asthma and allergy.

They used 1321 children in Hastings, aged between 10 and 12 years, and
recorded their diet, as well as checking asthma and asthma symptoms as
part of an international study of asthma and allergies in childhood
known as ISAAC.

After adjusting for lifestyle factors, including other foods and how
fat the children were in comparison with children who never ate
hamburgers, they found frequent consumption of hamburgers was linked to
asthma symptoms.

The higher the consumption of hamburgers, the higher the incidence of
asthma.

Dr Wickens said diets containing junk foods which are high in salt
could be contributing to the problem.

"The high salt content in hamburgers may increase the risk of wheezy
illness," she said.

Asthma is worst in developed countries, which tend to have about 6 per
cent of their population affected. New Zealand has the highest
incidence in developed countries at 20 per cent.

A greater proportion of teenagers in New Zealand than in other
countries suffer from asthmatic symptoms, such as wheezing,
breathlessness and tight-chestedness.

Some theories have blamed Western diets, higher standard of living,
falling levels of exercise rates, and increased dustmites and
pollution.

But Tokyo, with higher pollution than Wellington has only one fifth of
the asthma incidence, while the Scottish island of Skye has the highest
incidence of asthma in Britain and almost no pollution.
Richard Friedel - 16 Nov 2005 08:04 GMT
Whether the actual article by Dr. Wilkens mentions reflux or not, it is
surely a tragedy that journalists and others are so very intent on
mystifying asthma.  You just have to read between the lines and draw
your own conclusions.  Reflux as promoted by eathing high fat diets
should have occurred to anyone competent enough to write on asthma and
hamburgers.

Assuming that, as seems likely, Dr. Wilkens, as one fair sample of an
asthma expert, did not consider reflux (GERD) as playing an important
role in asthma, then it is easy to conclude that:
a)  Important beliefs of the community of asthma experts such as asthma
being due to airway inflammation (and not causing it by defective
breathing)  and the relative harmlessness of asthma drugs, are should
be treated with suspicion,
b)  the high incidence of asthma in the Isle of Skye is due to the
incompetence of doctors, and
c)  asthma is due to  a pathetic belief in the competence and honesty,
one might almost say, of pulmonologists and a refusal to seriously
consider pursed lips breathing and other practical tactics. Regards,
Richard Friedel
aroberts - 16 Nov 2005 16:04 GMT
>Assuming that, as seems likely, Dr. Wilkens, as one fair sample of an
>asthma expert, did not consider reflux (GERD) as playing an important
>role in asthma, then it is easy to conclude that:

It may be easy for you to conclude this, but it is a specious
conclusion.  I know of no modern pulmonologist who does not consider
GERD as a possibility when considering the etiology of asthma.

Regarding your continuing contention that airway inflammation plays no
role in asthma:  it is a fantasy that has not been borne out by
available, reputable evidence.  Your belief that asthma is just an
incompetence in breathing techniques is silly.  Let's just leave that
to the autonomic nervous system.
Richard Friedel - 17 Nov 2005 10:25 GMT
Glad to see you join issue on  the role of inflammation.
Firstly, when I did some defective breathing (too much inflation of the
abdomen) the effect was not only partial kidney failure but also
extreme asthma symptoms.  I could hardly bear to lie in bed.  I kept
wanting to sit up (orthopnoea)  The allergic reaction of my airways was
also extreme.  When I did synchronous breathing exercises (qigong as
one possibility), the breathing rate  was slowed down and distribution
of air in the lungs normalized and the asthma symptoms became trivial.
Secondly, if you look at the matter from the perspective of, say
comparative physiology, then it seems obvious to think that misuse of
the lungs (which happen to be living tissue, not just chunks of foam
rubber), not only in attacks but also by putting up with perfusion
(blood supply)/ventilation mismatch generally, will be likely to cause
damage including hypersensisitivity of the lung tissue .  The use of
cortisone pills or sprays can suppress the symptoms of such damage and
the patient can go on breathing improperly without obvious symptoms and
without basically tackling the asthma.  One definite and obvious
possibility is here (as my continuing contention) learning to take a
normal deep breath,  i. e. with a fair amount of flow resistance in the
nose, tensing the navel region in an upward and inward direction and
lifting the shoulders - IN SLOW MOTION.  This is also one method of
getting a second wind or runner's high. (As phenomena, the second
wind and asthma seem to belong in the same mysterious category).
According to my very vivid memories of attacks, I seemed to be trying
to do all this but all too hectically and without bothering about
abdominal muscle action.
Regarding breathing and breathing exercises: we not only "breathe"
air  but also blood and breathing makes a very substantial contribution
to driving the blood through the blood vessels, whatever popular
opinion on the exclusive role of the heart happens to be.  Regards,
Richard Friedel
Donald Link - 17 Nov 2005 00:23 GMT
Very well said.  The amount of doctors who do not consider the
relationship between Gerds and Asthma is bigger than you can imagine,
even with all the articles written on the subject.  I really
discovered the relationship when in my late 50s and decided to go to
the local vet hospital.  As soon as they discovered that I have had
asthma for decades along with a horrible coughing  problems the looked
into the gerd problem, treated it and my asthma and coughing has
imporved beyond what I could have hoped for.

>Whether the actual article by Dr. Wilkens mentions reflux or not, it is
>surely a tragedy that journalists and others are so very intent on
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>consider pursed lips breathing and other practical tactics. Regards,
>Richard Friedel
Roman Bystrianyk - 18 Nov 2005 10:45 GMT
Some fruther information for your consideration.

Kylie Walker, " Fish oil 'wards off asthma'", Hearld Sun, Australia,
November 3, 2004,
Link:
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,11275136%255E1702,00.html

FISH oil supplements appear to ward off asthma symptoms in young
children with a family history of allergies, Australian researchers
have found.

Children who consumed higher amounts of omega-3 fatty acids from birth
were 10 per cent less likely to experience coughing and wheezing at the
age of three, Sydney University's Professor Craig Mellis and colleagues
found.

"It's very hard to know who's got asthma and who hasn't in
preschoolers," Prof Mellis told AAP.

"But we are starting to see a reduction in respiratory or asthma-like
symptoms in the group that took the fish oil."

In a study of 616 children with a family history of asthma and
allergies, one-quarter was exposed to increased omega-3 fatty acid from
birth, one-quarter lived in households where anti-dust mite measures
were taken, one-quarter did both and the remainder did neither.

"The dust mite avoidance group didn't have any reduction in any of
their respiratory symptoms at the age of three, but the fish oil
supplement is looking promising," Prof Mellis said.

"If dust mite avoidance doesn't work, then at least we can tell people
that it doesn't work and therefore we shouldn't be using it as a
treatment."

Asthma usually cannot be diagnosed before children reach primary school
age, and Prof Mellis said the group in this study would be followed up
at age seven to obtain more definitive results.

"It may well be when we look at them next time that the ones who got
the intervention are even more different from the control group," he
said.peThe children were recruited before they were born, he said, and
started on increased omega-3 fatty acid, obtained from fish oil, from
their first day after birth.

"If they were not being breastfed it was added to their formula from
day one and if they were being breastfed the mother took the supplement
- there's plenty of omega three fatty acid in breastmilk anyway,"
Prof Mellis said.

"We wanted the children as they were weaned and taking solids to
continue having a fair bit of omega-3 fatty acids in the diet and
little kids don't like fish so we were giving the parents special
margarine that had omega-3 fatty acid supplement in it.

"We were measuring the omega-3 fatty acid in their blood and there was
a fair separation between those that were on the supplement and those
that were on the control."

The study, published in the latest issue of the United States-based
Journal of Allergyand Clinical Immunology, was prompted by an earlier
survey of NSW school children in which those who ate fish at least once
a week were found to have a much lower rate of asthma.

"Omega-3 fatty acid is incorporated into cell membranes and it makes
them more stable so, given that asthma is an inflammatory disease of
the airways, it makes them less likely to get inflamed," Prof Mellis
explained.
00doc - 18 Nov 2005 14:16 GMT
It seems to be working for me.

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NorthShoreCEO - 19 Nov 2005 15:31 GMT
> It seems to be working for me.

Since nobody seems to be paying attention enough where they
asked, I will.

Why, whatever do you mean,
doc???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
(insert emoticon batting baby blues here)
aroberts - 19 Nov 2005 00:05 GMT
>From all evidence, this seems to be an easy and effective strategy that
has many benefits beyond asthma.
Jeff - 17 Nov 2005 01:27 GMT
> Kent Atkinson, "Hamburgers cause asthma, NZ research says", New Zealand
> Herald, November 8, 2005,
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> wheezing problems, according a study published yesterday in the
> international scientific journal Allergy.

This doesn't prove anything. People who eat fast food tend to be poor. And
poor people often have asthma because of the conditions in which they live.
It could very well be that eating hamburgers is a marker for being poor.
Correlation doesn't prove causation.

Jeff
ARoberts - 17 Nov 2005 03:06 GMT
>> Kent Atkinson, "Hamburgers cause asthma, NZ research says", New Zealand
>> Herald, November 8, 2005,
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> Jeff

Well said.  It is always remarkable how people try to use statistics in an
attempt to make causal connections.  For them, the Scientific Method is a
foreign concept.
Bob - 17 Nov 2005 14:21 GMT
>>> http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10354170
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>attempt to make causal connections.  For them, the Scientific Method is a
>foreign concept.

Let's bring it closer to home for them then.  
Please review the refresher course:
http://teacher.nsrl.rochester.edu/phy_labs/AppendixE/AppendixE.html
00doc - 17 Nov 2005 03:44 GMT
> This doesn't prove anything. People who eat fast food tend to be poor. And
> poor people often have asthma because of the conditions in which they
> live. It could very well be that eating hamburgers is a marker for being
> poor. Correlation doesn't prove causation.

Poor, less educated, living in cities, more obese, less physically active -
yep, there are a lot of reasons for the association besides the burger
itself.

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