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Larry Leggo - 25 Sep 2003 12:54 GMT
Anybody have info on breathing exercises for asthma???
Colin Campbell - 25 Sep 2003 17:27 GMT
>Anybody have info on breathing exercises for asthma???

Only the people pushing scams.

BTW: You haven't a distant clue what you're talking about.  In fact, you
couldn't get a clue during the clue mating season if you stood in the
middle of a field of horny clues, smeared your body with clue musk and
did the clue mating dance.
Richard Friedel - 25 Sep 2003 20:29 GMT
> >Anybody have info on breathing exercises for asthma???
>
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> middle of a field of horny clues, smeared your body with clue musk and
> did the clue mating dance.

Take a look at papers by Professor Deane Hillsman of UCLA -
http://www.ohiou.edu/isarp/conf_02/papr_4.htm  Dynamic Hyperinflation
physiology.  His outfit (ISARP) may be seen to be highly respectiable
and sicentific.
Colin Campbell - 26 Sep 2003 01:50 GMT
>> >Anybody have info on breathing exercises for asthma???
>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>> middle of a field of horny clues, smeared your body with clue musk and
>> did the clue mating dance.

I apologize for the tag line.  This one is reserved for the most
ignorant of people.  I used it on an idiot who thought that it is a
'war crime' for a nation to do something that he disagrees with
politically and forgot to change to a regular sig.

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits."
Einstein
NorthShoreCEO - 26 Sep 2003 14:42 GMT
>From: Richard Friedel s3e0101@mailin.lrz-muenchen.de

>> >Anybody have info on breathing exercises for asthma???
>>
>> Only the people pushing scams.

This is a pretty irresponsible statement.  Breathing exercises are extremely
important and part of pulmonary and respiratory therapy.  I guess National
Jewish Medical and Research Center, along with nearly every other hospital are
"pushing scams".
Richard Friedel - 25 Sep 2003 20:24 GMT
Hi Larry,

Undoubtedly the simplest breathing exercises for asthma are those using
inspiratory muscle trainers (SIMT = specific Inspiratory muscle
training).  Do an Internet search with the key words

inspiratory training

to get material from various different manufacturers.

You breathe in thru a small device costing 10$ upwards. There are
also sophisticated systems for connection with a PC. The inspiratory
muscles and more especially the diaphragm are recruited and strengthened
so that the asthmatic is able to overcome narrowing of his airways.
This sort of stands to reason, although conventional presentations of
asthma never mention overcoming resistance in this way.

Also the devices reduce SOB (being short of breath) as opposed to the
actual airway narrowing as measured by the peakflow meter and felt as
lack of physical condition. Often SOB is what mostly bothers the
patient.

There seems to be a parallel between SIMT as used for asthma and to
train athletes and incentive spirometers used for postoperative
patients to re-establish deep breathing and get rid of atelectasis
(failure to ventilate areas of the lungs). In asthma there may be air
trapping in the lungs and this might also explain the effect of SIMT.

It is often objected that in asthma the lungs tend to be become
over-inflated so that the patient cannot easily breathe out.  However,
trials of SIMT (in which breathing in is made more difficult) seemed to
work on asthmatics quite generally.

The effect of an SIMT device can be tried out by simply putting a finger
into
your mouth between your teeth and lips to leave a gap and then breathing
in the this gap so that your cheeks are pulled in a bit. There may then
be the feeling that the gap is somehow directly wired with the action of
your diaphragm.  The smaller the gap, the more powerful the diaphragm
action - a bit like the effect of a reliever in some cases. This "pursed
lips inhale" may in some respects be better than using a device, since
it is easy to vary the gap and therefore more sensitively control the
diaphragm.

As with all physical therapy protocols, there is the danger of using
tricks, which provide some relief but generally do more harm than good.

One of such tricks is to hold one's breath to stave off an attack of
asthma, because of cause the aim of breathing exercises should be to
normalize breathing, that is to say breathing at a normal rate (liters
of air per minute).

A good address for breathing exercises is the IARP website, see f. i.
http://www.ohiou.edu/isarp/conf_02/papr_4.htm about hyperinflation in
asthma and COPD by Professor D. Hillsman of the University of
California.

It is generally agreed that authentic diaphragmatic breathing is
effective against asthma. Unfortunately the issue is a bit confused
because the diaphragm not only has the function of inhaling but also of
pushing the abdomen outwards. Judging from instruction offered by breath
therapists on the Net, the methods are wrong, because the student is
told to put one hand on the chest and the other on the abdomen and then
to minimize chest movement and increase abdomen movement.  This works
without breathing at all.  See page 10 of Prof. Hillsman's article on
"belly puffing".  So make sure that the diaphragm is actually being used
for breathing in diaphragm exercises. Its action can be felt by f. i.
simply sniffing.

As should be clear the SIMT exercises tie up with the idea of breathing
in against a resistance which in breathing without the SIMT device
should be in the nose (or throat).  The standard medical opinion is
however that resistance in the nose should only be that due to the
nose's function of warming, humidifying and filtering the air.
Furthermore a doctor would normally advise against anything tending to
obstruct an asthmatic's breathing.

In yoga (pranayama) alternate nostril breathing and ujjayi (oceanic
breathing) in the throat also  produce an effect like SIMT, but it is
probably much weaker typically.  In SIMT the resistance may be 30 cms
water column.

Generally it is well to note that asthma treatments are seen in the
framework of effects on lung function as measrued by instruments.  The
valuable role of breathing maneuvers in curbing attacks may
overlooked.   Regards, Richard Friedel

> Anybody have info on breathing exercises for asthma???
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NorthShoreCEO - 26 Sep 2003 14:39 GMT
>From: "Larry Leggo" larry.l@sympatico.ca

>Anybody have info on breathing exercises for asthma???

Try this site, the exercises are buried in all the text of this page:

http://www.perf2ndwind.org/html/breathing.html
Richard Friedel - 26 Sep 2003 20:36 GMT
> >From: "Larry Leggo" larry.l@sympatico.ca
>
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> http://www.perf2ndwind.org/html/breathing.html

Yes but the system of  learning diaphragmatic breathing by sensing
movement of the chest and abdomen is vigorously attacked by Professor
Hillsman of UCLA:

See:

"BELLY PUFFING. In a wide spectrum of neurologic and muscular diseases,
patients develop so-called "Trick Movements" in an attempt to compensate
for lost functionality. There are good Trick Movements which aid
functionality, and bad Trick Movements which interfere with
functionality. The physiotherapist must learn to recognize undesirable
Trick Movements and eliminate them, while enhancing productive
compensatory movements. Belly Puffing is a bad Trick Movement.

Belly Puffing is easy to perform, and therapists should learn the
technique to gain insight as to how readily this can be done. Lying
supine (in order to eliminate an artifact of abdominal content
movement), practice puffing the abdomen in and out. Then, puff the
abdomen out while exhaling, and pull the belly in while inhaling.
Normally of course the abdomen expands due to decent of the diaphragm on
inspiration, and conversely contracts as the diaphragm rises on
expiration. The Belly Puffing trick movement is therefore an abnormal
artifact, which is exactly opposite of normal abdominal breathing
movements. It must be carefully watched for, and eliminated.

A traditional technique to teach "Diaphragm (or Abdominal) Breathing" is
to have the patient place one hand on the anterior upper chest and the
other just below the xiphoid. The patient is then instructed to not move
the upper hand while breathing in, and simultaneously make the lower
hand move outwards with inspiration. This traditional technique should
be abandoned, as it encourages the abnormal Trick Movement of Belly
Puffing."

(http://www.ohiou.edu/isarp/conf_02/papr_4.htm , page 10)

Activation of the diaphragm is a key feature of recent research on the
effect of sniffs.  See Eric Verin,  "Effects of muscle group
recruitment..." Eur. J. Appl. Physiol (2001) 593-598. As far as I can
see there is no belly pushing in authentic yoga.  The diaphragmatic
excesses should be controlled by the breath. Diaphragmatic breathing is
often learned by singers using sniff maneuvers rather than belly
pushing.

At any rate a smart, prolonged sniff as in Verin's study can sort
electrify the diaphragm, turns it on.  And this seems to be much more
specific.  You can do the hand on chest and tummy stuff without
breathing at all.

Maybe the PLB in the Website you mention would give the same or better
results as sniffing in expert hands, but for communication among
Internetting folks I'd have opted for "sniffing" (but not at others'
experience, of course) as a basis.

It does definitely seem that proper diaphragmatic breathing leads to a
yummy feeling related to, but distinct from activation of the pelvic
muscles and to kundalini effects.  It appears to counter bronchospasm.
You treat yourself to authentic diaphragmatic breathing and this stops
the constriction.  From what we know of  diaphragmatic breathing and
asthma, this seems to make sense.  Regards, Richard Friedel.
 
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