My eyes were not watery at all. Yes I have to believe such short exposure is
not a problem. People work at gas stations, airports, etc. But I read jet
fuel exhaust very toxic.
What is desenstizing---I am unfamiliar with that and asthma.
G'day Jeff, it becomes quite debateable but essentially there are
various kinds of problem causes, this may be from bugs affecting the
respiratory system or allergic reactions etc. My interest is only with
allergy kinds of problems.
It is common for people involved with various substances to generate
effects from that exposure, this may be skin rashes, irritated air
ways, or even massive reactions where normal body function is involved.
With an allergy the body has some form of reaction, this may be hives,
or generated congestion in the airways, headaches, and numerous other
symptoms. Over time and repeated cycles of exposure the problem
develops moreso.
Normal medical practice is to use drugs to try to arrest the effect of
an exposure situation. In effect this is like a masking method, the
person can keep being exposed to the problem substance without having
to suffer effects as would normally be the case.
>From my point of view and experience this is not a clever method for
problem control, as usually the body sensitisation increases and the
problem develops moreso often requiring increasing medication. If
medication is then ceased the problem may really have manifested to the
point where that person is entirely medication dependent.
The desensitising idea is to determine what the problem sensitising
causes actually are and either remove that problem source or
encapsulate it. But one way or another disable those causitive items.
(often multiples)
In some cases a vaccine can be used to produce a desensitised effect,
but my interest is in a different method of natural routines and
altered lifestyle.
In effect using gathered intelligence to overcome the problem coupled
with a system of remedial routines.
A typical example might be a person living in a closed apartment with
carpets that have aged, been through repeated cleaning cycles, have
some internal composting effect happening in them, maybe some moulds
present, animal matter ingress and that kind of thing.
Of course these elements may become airborne in the form of dust and
gases and may develop substantial allergic effect for the person, who
eventually develops a permanent problem etc. Normally this kind of
person may have a severe worsening cough which would develop into a
full blown asthmatic kind of situation over time.
(Some children may develop the problem for other reasons at earlier
ages.)
Under normal circumstances he would keep receiving medication from his
doctor to alleviate the problem, and also become sickly, usually
receiving antibiotics to try to assist the associated illness problems,
but the body has a limited ability to receive punishment and eventually
asthmatic problems would be present.
Generally this circumstance continues and medication useage increases
as the person becomes more ill.
So that is what commonly happens. Your circumstance may be different
but you would follow the reasoning and appreciate the logic.
My interest is to try to determine what a person may be exposed to and
attempt to remove it, thus trying to create a situation where natural
healing may happen using a series of assistive routines to try to allow
a desensitising effect to generate. In many cases this can be very
effective.
Of course we are basing this method on "every effect has a cause" which
can be very assistive.
I would suggest to you that motor vehicle exhausts of equivalent volume
have similar potency to jet engines.
How long have you had your problem and how severe is it?
Do you have any idea of how your problem is caused, or had any allergy
testing?
What is your antibiotic useage history like and your illness kind of
susceptibility?
Cheers, Merlin.
00doc - 06 Nov 2005 04:59 GMT
> G'day Jeff, it becomes quite debateable but essentially there are
> various kinds of problem causes, this may be from bugs affecting the
> respiratory system or allergic reactions etc. My interest is only with
> allergy kinds of problems.
Wheezing after exposure to a chemical irritant is not due to allergies.
> With an allergy the body has some form of reaction, this may be hives,
> or generated congestion in the airways, headaches, and numerous other
> symptoms. Over time and repeated cycles of exposure the problem
> develops moreso.
Right.
> Normal medical practice is to use drugs to try to arrest the effect of
> an exposure situation. In effect this is like a masking method, the
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> medication is then ceased the problem may really have manifested to the
> point where that person is entirely medication dependent.
The part you leave out is that identifying and eliminating triggers is
central to asthma treatment. No doc ever says to just take the meds and not
avoid the trigger. I admit that often the patients can't or won't do it but
that is their own issue, not the advice of the doc.
I do agree with you that with continued exposure things generally get worse
no matter what meds they are taking. But this is a product of the disease
worsening due to continued exposure, not the meds making anything worse or
creating dependance. If the person finds that they crash every time they
stop the meds chances are what is happenening is that the meds allowed them
to continue the exposures (and worsening of their disease) for longer than
they otherwise would have.
> How long have you had your problem and how severe is it?
> Do you have any idea of how your problem is caused, or had any allergy
> testing?
> What is your antibiotic useage history like and your illness kind of
> susceptibility?
Go ahead, answer him. See if you get any real practical advise.

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Merlin - 06 Nov 2005 05:11 GMT
G'day Gentlemen, sorry Jeff but I seemed to gather from your account
that you had been given drugs for your problem without explanation of
how it was caused or an explanation of "triggers".
I have found that was a general procedure.
I seem to have missed your mention of wheezing was that actually the
case?
Cheers Merlin.
Merlin - 06 Nov 2005 05:36 GMT
G'day 00, your mention is interesting
I do agree with you that with continued exposure things generally get
worse
no matter what meds they are taking. But this is a product of the
disease
worsening due to continued exposure, not the meds making anything worse
or
creating dependance. If the person finds that they crash every time
they
stop the meds chances are what is happenening is that the meds allowed
them
to continue the exposures (and worsening of their disease) for longer
than
they otherwise would have.
So you discount the fact that a person becomes more ill by the effect
of the medication artificially allowing exposure thus maintaining
apparent status quo. Of course the meds don't make anything worse
directly but the increased problem manifestation is hidden by the
effect of the drugs which consequently allow problem effect to be
apparently negated. So the disease progress is hidden until the drug
effect is removed, then "wham"!
I miss your logic.
Cheers, Merlin.