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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Asthma / October 2005The demise of the group
Once upon a time it used to be that this group had useful information and advice to impart to those who read postings but who did not necessarily contribute. The group has been hijacked and it appears that too much time is being given to the hijacker! Why the belligerence in such dogmatic self opinionated monologues? What is the senseless waste of energy about? Asthma is a disease which is still being researched. Every patient will be treated on an ad hoc basis. What exacerbates one person's asthma may not exacerbate another's asthma. What first triggered one person's asthma may not be the same trigger for another. Of course there is no one solution to the questions being posed because of the varied experience of each individual patient. Surely everyone here is smart enough to realise that a study can be found to support any stance that you seek to argue. Hence why asthma is still under research as the medics themselves clearly do not fully understand the nature of the illness. There is a place for dogma however please do not allow it to permeate this group like the cancerous canker sore that it is at this moment. There is a place for dialog. So to the hijacker - please get a life as yours is not the only opinion! Listen to some who may well be wiser through their experiences as it may well assist you. Be wider in your readings so as to get a fuller picture. It may well make you calmer and reduce your exacerbations of asthma as emotions also play a role in the disease. > Once upon a time it used to be that this group had useful information and > advice to impart to those who read postings but who did not necessarily [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > It may well make you calmer and reduce your exacerbations of asthma as > emotions also play a role in the disease. You're absolutely right of course. But everyone has tried this reasoned approach with him before. Recently, I have posted a number of current studies, only to have them trigger a mindless flurry of postings that launch into the "only real cause--pollution." Some have suggested that kill-filing or ignoring would help, but note that in absence of external response, he will endlessly respond to his own posts. If you check Google, you will see his infestation throughout a large number groups, and his presence is about as ill-received there as here. You suggest that the hijacker get a life, but this is his life, and the only one that he wants. I have taken the point of view that I will continue to post any research that I encounter, and read others' as well. mcs will be there of course, with his tireless and stupid "refutations", and he will remain a source of occasional amusement through parody and outright opprobrium. He's more like a cyst than cancer; he doesn't get to take over--we'll just work around him. > Once upon a time it used to be that this group had useful information and > advice to impart to those who read postings but who did not necessarily > contribute. oh wait, I think most people safe to say doesn't post and can pick and choose which information is correct. > The group has been hijacked and it appears that too much time is being > given > to the hijacker! Why the belligerence in such dogmatic self opinionated > monologues? Just like our energy has been hijacked by oil and gas and coal and do you like paying three times the price for it by the way? Of course one must realize, there are millions of fools who don't want to see any other alternative or opinion. > What is the senseless waste of energy about? Asthma is a disease which is > still being researched. Every patient will be treated on an ad hoc basis. I don't think anyone said other wise but to pretend that people know everything there is to know about breathing clean air or where to find it or where to find airnow websites or not having to accept their govts F rated air without complaining about it is A WHOLE NOTHER BALLGAME. I think its kind of interesting when people say they are going to ignore this information but can't seem to actually do it. Why? I tell the truth. The truth is tuff to ignore. You know how many posts someone will say,,,,, I put you on ignore but .... .. > What exacerbates one person's asthma may not exacerbate another's asthma. Again most people won't argue that, but to suggest that 50 percent of asthma is because of bacteria thats A WHOLE NOTHER BALL GAME and WRONG.Oh wait thats not on the website anymore. > What first triggered one person's asthma may not be the same trigger for > another. No one said anything differentyly and your able to repeat it. > Of course there is no one solution to the questions being posed because of > the varied experience of each individual patient. Surely everyone here is > smart enough to realise that a study can be found to support any stance > that > you seek to argue. Yes but who was in the best position to negate global warming in the past? Who was in the best position to negate the damage from smoking in the past? The sad position is we have some in govt wanting to protect us and some wanting to poison us or not caring . Some in govt must think this promotes business. We are a country that tries to do what is right. There are over 25 million people with breathing problems and there are now studies coming out which further defines who is geting sick. Hence why asthma is still under research as the medics > themselves clearly do not fully understand the nature of the illness. Yes because why worry about what to do about it if the places with least pollution has way less asthma? Is this getting too difficult? > There is a place for dogma however please do not allow it to permeate this > group like the cancerous canker sore that it is at this moment. There is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > you want to simplfiy everything then I guess you could hear about ozone > purfiers and antibiotics for asthma... most of time. > So to the hijacker - please get a life as yours is not the only opinion! > Listen to some who may well be wiser through their experiences as it may [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > cleaner air city as soon as humanly possible instead or getting your > Congressman to care about living in F rated air. with F rated Cancers. if for one second, I thought my posts were too reactive or too critical for the sake of arguing or having nothing else to do I would not try to be so persistent. However I weighed this issue very carefully and believe very very strongly in what I am telling people. I think our environment is trying to give us signals and unless we listen all man kind is going to suffer. I think if you change the course of what is good or natural , you are going to ask for more things like hurricanes, fires, dry weather and even mutated flu. If only people had a clue what is happening. I remember jogging for miles and many many people could also. Now the people who run the longest live in best environments and the people I am use to seeing are no longer running. I am telling you we are being poisoned , and if you don't care or search for real answers don't blame me for warning people how to escape. I have had people say they love the fact I tried to help them and many people are helped. I do this after all not to criticize but to get people to act just as importantly as republicans have decided to get together often to accomplish whatever (usually control for richest). The fact of the matter is days like are happening on east coast with moderates amount of particulates is contributing to one sector. Health care and advertising for health care at your expense of health. Over time this will be seen more and more clearly. In just the last few years we are seeing more and more about the dangers that I posted about. > Once upon a time it used to be that this group had useful information and > advice to impart to those who read postings but who did not necessarily [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > It may well make you calmer and reduce your exacerbations of asthma as > emotions also play a role in the disease. >if for one second, I thought my posts were too reactive or too critical for >the sake of arguing or having nothing else to do I would not try to be so [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >clearly. In just the last few years we are seeing more and more about the >dangers that I posted about. It may surprise you mcs, but I actually agree with a lot of what you just posted. It was rationally presented, and not crazed. It's a refreshing change. You are still preaching to the choir; we understand quite well about pollution as a factor in respiratory diseases. Seriously, it just seems that you could find a better place than spinning your wheels here to address the legitimate concerns that you are passionate about. Roberts. I am not sure why the previous post you accepted and others you haven't, but lets not pretend you or one hundred like you are going to influence my desire to get the message out in either case. Why? Because in life your either part of the solution or your part of the problem assuming you have decided there is a problem. I sincerely believe the pollution problem is part political and ( a good part) and even if other countries or the past were just as bad or worse, thats not to suggest we are not more enlightened with the consequences and can't do more as a society.I am struck with how much we don't deal with pollution still, so I guess I feel compelled to equalize my perceived conspiracies. I am just as adamant about suggesting that people with asthma look around and think its not necessarily something wrong with them, as it might be just the normal way a body reacts to more gases and particulates in the atmosphere and for them to maybe think about different options besides differernt medications. . . The other part is I am convinced many people don't live in the same areas as I do. I have never suffered as much as I did this year and I don't take being poisoned lightly. I have been in different countries and cities and know for sure this poisoning might not be universal so obviously people are going to take offense , especially Bush supporters if this isn't making sense to them. I suggest if the shoe was on your foot you might think my messages made more sense. Perhaps you can open your mind and wonder what if ..also ignore my posts if they bother you, as I never tell anyone else not to post. Many messages I ignore and while some might bother me and I have been know to react, for the most part I can easily go on without rereading the same posts.that bother me. Maybe Roberts you suffer from something and you actively seek out this confrontation. As someone who once posted said, I am not sure if everyone there isn't in therapy. If your open to talking in a rational frame of mind, I might listen to your point of view. > >if for one second, I thought my posts were too reactive or too critical > >for [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > spinning your wheels here to address the legitimate concerns that you > are passionate about. > Roberts. I am not sure why the previous post you accepted and others you > haven't, but lets not pretend you or one hundred like you are going to > influence my desire to get the message out in either case. I told you why. It was actually calmly and rationally stated, without the usual conspiracy bs. I (and others) have already stated that we understand the implications of pollution. Why? Because in > life your either part of the solution or your part of the problem assuming > you have decided there is a problem. Cliche aside, that would sound much more sincere if you were doing something other than just posting here. That is all you do, and you have become part of our problem. We're still seeking a solution for it. >> Roberts. I am not sure why the previous post you accepted and others you >> haven't, but lets not pretend you or one hundred like you are going to [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >other than just posting here. That is all you do, and you have become part >of our problem. We're still seeking a solution for it. This is the best way I know, short of calling them on the phone. Listen up mcs, and gird up your loins; you're going to need them. People who think members of Congress pay little or no attention to constituent mail, are plain wrong. 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U.S. Supreme Court Contact Information - US Supreme Court. The Justices do not have email addresses, but they do read letters from citizens. Many members of Congress maintain one or more offices in their home states where they can also be contacted. These addresses are typically listed on the members' web sites. To Conclude Here are some key things you should always and never do in writing to your elected representatives. Always Be courteous and respectful without "gushing." Clearly and simply state the purpose of your letter. If it's about a certain bill, identify it correctly. If you need help in finding the number of a bill, use the Thomas Legislative Information System. Say who you are. Anonymous letters go nowhere. Even in email, include your correct name, address, phone number and email address. If you don't include at least your name and address, you will not get a response. State any professional credentials or personal experience you may have, especially those pertaining to the subject of your letter. Keep your letter short -- one page is best. Use specific examples or evidence to support your position. State what it is you want done or recommend a course of action. Thank the member for taking the time to read your letter. NEVER NEVER use vulgarity, profanity, or threats. The first two are just plain rude and the third one can get you a visit from the Secret Service. Simply stated, don't let your passion get in the way of making your point. NEVER Fail to include your name and address, even in email letters. NEVER demand a response. The above is from: http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa020199.htm Again, here are the links you will need: http://www.senate.gov/ http://www.house.gov/ Now mcs, what are you waiting for? The error that the hijacker makes is that he thinks that no one has sympathy for his view when in fact we all do. If he chooses to use dogma in putting across his point then it just sounds like shouting to the already converted. I am quite impressed that he even recognised himself without my even making any reference to his name which is at least the first step in recognising his flaw. If he wishes to speak about pollution and the politics of pollution it does not start with the current or last administration. Pollution has been a problem since the industrial revolution. It is not a new problem just born yesterday. It will always be a problem because industry has such a strong lobby in every administration. It is not in the interests of any administration to let industry sink as it contributes so much to the economy. Good economy means more jobs and happy voters. It means more food in the already full bellies of workers. A well fed worker is a contented worker who will always vote for the person whom he deems to have given him a hearty meal. It does not take a genius to logically see that every administration wants to stay in office to serve themselves. If you want to air concerns use your vote wisely. In addition don't shout at the enemy as he sees you coming and can prepare for you. Be filled with the same cunning as your enemy. And instead of shouting about the pollution which affects us all think of alternative energy sources that you can convince your friends to use and that they will convince their friends to use. After all you do want change! > >> Roberts. I am not sure why the previous post you accepted and others you > >> haven't, but lets not pretend you or one hundred like you are going to [quoted text clipped - 140 lines] > > Now mcs, what are you waiting for? This group deserves to be hijacked. I told this group that if they researched Hidden Food Sensitivities they probably would not have asthma. Conventional allergist are only good at finding IgE allergies. Asthma is often triggered by IgG allergies. Why not pick up a phone and talk to a naturopathic doctor about this? Asthma can often be triggered by something that you ate days before the attack. Many doctors have written books about this, but many of you insist on going to the pill pushers. Brad_Chad > This group deserves to be hijacked. I told this group that if they > researched Hidden Food Sensitivities they probably would not have > asthma. Conventional allergist are only good at finding IgE allergies. > Asthma is often triggered by IgG allergies. Why not pick up a phone and > talk to a naturopathic doctor about this? While you are at it try to find one that understands the difference between an allergy and a sensitivity.  Signature00doc > > This group deserves to be hijacked. I told this group that if they > > researched Hidden Food Sensitivities they probably would not have [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > -- > 00doc The difference means squat because there has never been any DEFINITIVE proof where allergy ends and intolerance begins. There could be a connection that we don't know about YET. These terms are artificial distinctions. Conventional medicine is very, very lacking when it comes to understanding everything about food sensitivities. So get off your soapbox. I'm not so concerned with semantics. The main thing is that "stuck up" conventional doctors are ignoring the fact many people get well when they remove certain foods from their diet. My conventional allergist wasn't worth squat when it came to finding my hidden food sensitivities. My naturopathic doctor was able to help me find out that corn and dairy products were at the root of my problems. If more people got off their lazy behind and searched for their hidden food sensitivities, they wouldn't believe how good they could feel. Many of them would no longer have asthma. While conventional doctors were arguing about placebo theories, I was practically solving my own health problems. Thousands of other people have done the same thing. Brad_Chad We know very clearly where allergy ends - with IgE and histamine (and a bunch of other stuff). You are right that where "intolerance" begins is the fuzzy part. The difference is much more than semantic since other than avoidance being the main treatment they have almost nothing in common. The presentations, potential consequences, and other treatments are all very different. You seem to be one of a growing cadre of people on this board who feel compelled to try to invent problems to rant about. Conventional doctors, "stuck up" or not, are not ignoring food allergies any more than they are ignoring the effect of pollution on health or infections on chronic diseases. What I especially love is when you guys claim the whole thing is being neglected then as proof cite thousands of research articles. Sorry things can't get the priority you would like but everything can't be #1. If it is any consolation you should not feel lonely. Every activist feels the exact same way. Try to learn to deal with it in some other way than to exaggerate the whole thing into some shocking ignorance and cover-up. I do realize that that would force you to stop feeling like you alone have the answers and to give up some of your righteous indignation and get off of your own soapbox. I hope you can come to grips with being a normal person who has some of the answers but not most of them like the rest of us. > We know very clearly where allergy ends - with IgE and histamine (and a > bunch of other stuff). You are right that where "intolerance" begins is [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > come to grips with being a normal person who has some of the answers > but not most of them like the rest of us. You are wrong to say that they have nothing in common. They "appear" to have nothing in common. How am I inventing problems? There are many people out here who have had health problems for years, their conventional doctors could do little about them. They saw an alternative doctor or a naturopathic doctor and their problems disappeared overnight. They had problems like acne, asthma, psoriasis, eczema, sleep disorders, fatigue, joint pain, diarrhea, sleep disorders, ADD, depression, and many other health problems. You can't cure autism by finding a persons food sensitivities, but you can make it a lot better. I had asthma, eczema, hayfever, joint pain, diarrhea, and chronic fatigue for many years. They magically went away when I discovered my food sensitivities. All the conventional doctors could say was that it must have been the placebo effect. Placebo was working a lot better than their pills. There are many people that don't want to study this (at least correctly) because the drug companies could lose a lot of money. Fast food places would lose money if more people found out that their food sensitivities were triggering their health problems. There are several books written by doctors about this. You can talk to alternative doctors (or naturopathic doctors) about this. I dare you. Too many people have these sensitivities and don't know it. There are about 80 health problems linked to food sensitivities. I don't have all the answers. I want conventional doctors to admit that all health problems don't need to be solved with pills. Brad_Chad " I want conventional doctors to admit that all health problems don't need to be solved with pills. " They/we do. One of the problems you are trying to invent is this notion that they/we don't. It is not that docs don't recommend non-pill solutions. The problem is that they take more effort and that is not what many paitents are willing to do. Given the choice between the better treatment that they won't take and the lesser one that they will it is often prudent, although admittedly not optimal, to do the latter. The example you raise, fast food, is a good one. We don't need to invoke hidden food intolerances to tell people not to eat it. Yet they do - several times per week on average. Of course drug companies are not going to research non-pharmaceutical ways of managing diseases. Why would anyone hope they would? That does not mean that no one else is. Signature00doc >" I want conventional doctors to admit that all health problems >don't need to be solved with pills. " [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >hidden food intolerances to tell people not to eat it. Yet they do - >several times per week on average. That is an astute observation. So many of us are not proactively responsible for our own health. Instead, we go to the doctor, pay the copay, and expect the doctor to take it from there. What a joke. That's like neglecting your car for months on end, ignoring the idiot lights, and then when it finally breaks down, have it towed to the shop and then get bent out of shape when you get the bad news. Let's face it; it's inconvenient and expensive to stay healthy, and it's inconvenient and expensive to be unhealthy. >Of course drug companies are not going to research non-pharmaceutical >ways of managing diseases. Why would anyone hope they would? That does >not mean that no one else is. Conventional medicine is very, very lacking > when it comes to understanding everything about food > sensitivities. So [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > finding my > hidden food sensitivities. > Brad_Chad Do you live in some backward town with one doctor or something? I've heard doctors talking about this for YEARS. > Conventional medicine is very, very lacking >> when it comes to understanding everything about food sensitivities. So [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Do you live in some backward town with one doctor or something? I've heard > doctors talking about this for YEARS. But if that were acknowledged, he would not be able to be presenting us with his "revelation." That appears to be very important. > Do you live in some backward town with one doctor or something? > I've heard doctors talking about this for YEARS. Why doesn't conventional medicine do more to tell the public about hidden food sensitivities? I don't hear most doctors trying to cut down their prescriptions by telling their patients about food sensitivities. Do you really think anybody wants the drug companies to sell less hayfever medicine or asthma meds? Brad_Chad Just about everyone except the drug companies wants them to sell less medicine. You asked what problems I think you are trying to invent: I'll list a conspiracy to keep people sick as #2. Signature00doc > You asked what problems I think you are trying to invent: I'll list a > conspiracy to keep people sick as #2. I think that the conspiracy to make people sick is number 1. I had chronic fatigue for forty years, joint pain all over my body for seven years, and recurring diarrhea for about 2 years, before I found out that my sensitivity to corn and dairy products were triggering this. My alternative doctor said that many of his patients were like me. Too many people are having doctors tell them that their health problems are all in their head, only to find out that food is the trigger. Hidden Food Sensitivities are wrecking havoc on many peoples lives, and the medical profession doesn't seem to care. Conventional allergists did the wrong type of testing on me. An alternative doctor finally got it right, and most insurance companies don't want to pay for alternative care. Brad_Chad G'day Brad, please excuse my asking but I see you mention "corn". Is there any possibility this may have been GM modified corn as against standard corn? My reason for asking is that some varieties of corn oil appear in some organisations and even fast-food places. As you are aware these types of corn have specific design critereon (chemical substance tolerance) which of course would be differently concentrated in any oil produced from them and which is usually blended with other oils. Cheers, Merlin. > G'day Brad, please excuse my asking but I see you mention "corn". > Is there any possibility this may have been GM modified corn as against [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > with other oils. > Cheers, Merlin. I've had a problem with corn for 40 years. Corn syrup, corn starch, distilled vinegar, xanthan gum, MSG, mono and di-glycerides, and many other food additives. Brad_Chad >> Do you live in some backward town with one doctor or >> something? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Brad_Chad There you go again, ignoring my question and blasting conventional medicine. I have to say this about you - you're consistent. > >> Do you live in some backward town with one doctor or > >> something? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > conventional medicine. I have to say this about you - you're > consistent. Well, it is obvious that conventional doctors are not talking to many of their patients. My alternative doctor says that he sees people all the time that have gone to many doctors and couldn't get help. How many people know that conventional allertgist are not that good at detecting food sensitivities that have delayed reactions? How many people know that you can eat something that can trigger asthma, eczema, sleep disorders, or diarrhea 72 hours later? Most people don't know much beyond immediate (IgG) allergies at best. Few know about DELAYED food sensitivities. How many people know that they eat corn everyday (in one form or another) in their processed foods? Brad_Chad G'day Brad, your experience is very interesting, almost like a celiac kind of problem. >From my experience any exposure problem is usually reacted within two hours, sometimes as rapidly as a few seconds which usually alows easy detection of problem sources. I must admit there have been odd circumstances from time to time that were quite outside this kind of reasoning. Over the years I have come across several non-diagnosed celiacs which did have moderate asthmatic symptoms and were adamant that their problem was allergy related asthma but in fact when their diets were corrected with their doctors their apparent asthmatic problems abated. Similarly asthmatic types of problems commonly piggy-back other odd kinds of problems which appear to support the apparent asthmatic situation by creating poor general health with enhanced sensitivity. Your mention that the delayed reaction up to 72 hours, would tend to infer that the food substances causing the effect would likely be passed or long gone which would seem extremely odd. I have seen a specialist iridologist (spelling) that seemed to be pretty accurate with allergy diagnosis I suspected he was an extremely good guesser! His success rate was pretty good with treating asthmatics by substance and food types awareness. The interesting thing with all this stuff is that you find what you seek in the last place you look, and the key seems to be "never give up and keep an open mind"! It commonly happens that the most ridiculous remedial suggestions have the greatest assistive effect. I do find it interesting that you are only affected by food items, surely you must have some chemical, dust and other kinds of sensitisation. Cheers, Merlin. "Over the years I have come across several non-diagnosed celiacs which did have moderate asthmatic symptoms and were adamant that their problem was allergy related asthma but in fact when their diets were corrected with their doctors their apparent asthmatic problems abated." A lot of the articles I have read suggest that this may not be at all uncomon. The numbers of undioagnosed, nonclasically presenting, celiacs in research studies is actualy shockingly high. I know in my practice I have been testing for it a lot (and, alas, not seeing the numbers that the studies suggest I should be seeing - good or bad depending on perspective). However, despite this I am sure if I saw Brad and missed it he would be here railing on about not listening and being ignorant of it etc etc etc (not to mention the non-existant cover-up conspiracy and lack of research). "I have seen a specialist iridologist (spelling) that seemed to be pretty accurate with allergy diagnosis I suspected he was an extremely good guesser! His success rate was pretty good with treating asthmatics by substance and food types awareness. " I suspect you are right. If he guessed cows milk, soy, wheat, eggs, nuts, and beef he would be right a lot of the time. A little knowledge and a lot of showmanship can impress a lot of people. Signature00doc Dear 00doc, firstly I do humbly apologise for any adverse comment or critiscism that I have in the past directed at you. I am truly sorry and any opinion was based on incorrect intelligence I had fromed at that time. I now understand you to have a balanced opinion with regard to antibiotic and drug use and am extremely impressed at some of your posts. So please forgive the comments. With regard to celiac detection what methods are there of confirming it?, I was of the opinion that a bowel inspection was pretty accurate. In cases where it was suspect a complete observance of non-gluten diet more or less confirmed the problem likelyhood. One fellow I met appeared to only be affected by beer! This was actually the major part of his diet! The rest of his normal diet was virtually gluten free. Here he was, quite bad asthma, generally sickly and thin, but when he mentioned he had "runs" most of the time I did ask if maybe he may have had some gluten problem. His doctor confirmed it and within a few weeks he was having to consider losing weight again, asthma apparently gone. Cheers, Merlin. > Dear 00doc, firstly I do humbly apologise for any adverse comment or > critiscism that I have in the past directed at you. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > antibiotic and drug use and am extremely impressed at some of your > posts. So please forgive the comments. To be honest, I either hadn't noticed or had already forgotten. Sometimes I am rushed and skim the group very lightly. So I can earnestly say there are no hard feelings. > With regard to celiac detection what methods are there of confirming > it?, I was of the opinion that a bowel inspection was pretty accurate. The gold stabdard is to do a small bowel biopsy (during endoscopy/"inspection") and then do anohter off of gluten and then a third back on it. I don't think that many docs are putting people through that anymore. The antibody tests (endomysial and gliadin) are pretty accurate and most docs would accept a consistent clinical response to a gluten free diet and + antibodies as diagnostic. Some of the GI's in my area have mentioned some other tests but I am not up to speed on those. > One fellow I met appeared to only be affected by beer! This was > actually the major part of his diet! The rest of his normal diet was > virtually gluten free. Gotta be careful there. Some beers have chemicals that others do not. For instance, I can't drink Miller beer but do OK with most others. > Here he was, quite bad asthma, generally sickly and thin, but when he > mentioned he had "runs" most of the time I did ask if maybe he may have > had some gluten problem. His doctor confirmed it and within a few weeks I had one patient who had hives as her only manifestation of celiac disease. It is getting quite interesting now that people are looking for other presentations. Signature00doc G'day 00Doc, thanks for those pearls of wisdom and acceptance. You may note the similarity to some of Brad's description, and downstream secondary effect, that is what prompted the mention. I agree and feel this problem is significantly more common than understood and often missed. I notice there are quite a few associated mentions on the net where this happens. One other young lady had severe allergies and was not all that well, I had a look at her home but could not really nail any specific item, when you do a few home inspections you develop a "nose" for problem detection. She also mentioned ongoing "runny tummy" problems after I asked, and again was later found to have gluten problems. She had previously been to her doctor and received prescriptions for asthma medications, her doctor had not asked about the runny tummy and she had not mentioned it. I formed the opinion that her poor general health was involved with her allergy problem being so apparent. This was another of those significant improvement kinds of situations after diet was adjusted. Sincerely Merlin. There is a company called ImmunoLab that will guarantee that a child with ADD will show improvement if you remove certain foods from the childs diet. If you send them a blood sample, they will analyze the blood. They will send you back a list of foods not to eat. How could they guarantee results if this is nonsense? ADD isn't the only health problem that will show improvement. Many people have gotten rid of their asthma this way. Brad_Chad > There is a company called ImmunoLab that will guarantee that a child > with ADD will show improvement if you remove certain foods from the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > problem that will show improvement. Many people have gotten rid of > their asthma this way. Anyone giving guarantees in regard to healthcare is either a crook or a fool. Nothing is 100%. Signature00doc >> There is a company called ImmunoLab that will guarantee that a child >> with ADD will show improvement if you remove certain foods from the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Anyone giving guarantees in regard to healthcare is either a crook or a >fool. Nothing is 100%. Maybe they offer a "money back quarantee" if you are not satisfied with results. I tried to find them, but all I got was a website whose domain has expired. Not a good sign. http://www.immunolab.com/ >>> There is a company called ImmunoLab that will guarantee that >>> a child [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > http://www.immunolab.com/ Try http://www.immunolabs.com/ >>>Anyone giving guarantees in regard to healthcare is either a >>>crook or a [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Try http://www.immunolabs.com/ Thanks. Just as I thought, Mr. Rogers gives a money back guarantee as he empathizes with the doctor's dilemma. "When your alarm clock went off this morning, was there a moment when you thought, "Why am I getting out of bed?" Well, now all docs have a reason...Immunolabs. I've got a call into some guy who's name I can't pronounce, so hopefully when he calls back we will be able to communicate... You can find Immuno Laboratories at www.ImmunoLabs.com Brad_Chad ImmunoLab doesn't guarantee that children will be COMPLETELY cured of ADD. They guarantee that a child will have measurable improvement of ADD. Some children just happen to be completely cured. They guarantee that you will have measurable improvement with fatigue, indigestion, headaches, and arthritic pain. You should see results within 90 days. I can tell you from personal experience, actual results are better than the guarantee. Brad_Chad > ImmunoLab doesn't guarantee that children will be COMPLETELY cured of > ADD. They guarantee that a child will have measurable improvement of [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Brad_Chad Huh..... I thought all of your problems were from hidden food allergies they were eliminated by careful observation and avoidance. Guess not. Signature00doc Uhhh....You mean IgE. > Uhhh....You mean IgE. I said that the elimination diet was the most accurate means of detecting food sensitivities. ImmunoLabs is an easy, little less accurate means to finding Hidden Food Sensitivities. Their Bloodprint will find most of your hidden food sensitivities. It will find enough foods for you to notice a difference. There may be a couple of foods that you can find on your own, using a food diary. Since ImmunoLabs makes it easier, there is no reason not to try this. Many people will have an experience that is better than the baseline guarantee. I did. Brad_Chad \> > Well, it is obvious that conventional doctors are not > talking to [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Brad_Chad It's obvious? Not to me it isn't. You know, there are parts of the south that don't do any joint replacement using minimally invasive surgery. If a person needs a knee replacement, they actually cut from mid-thigh down to the calf. This is the truth - my company actually did a study on this that ended in January of this year. Still, it wouldn't at all be accurate to leave a post whining that "conventional doctors don't know anything about minimally invasive surgery". It WOULD be accurate to leave a post stating that "conventional doctors in the area I live will not conform to modern medicine, and therefore, don't do minimally invasive surgery". You know what? You'd probably get real sympathy if you posted something more realistic like that, but you'd rather overinflate your problem as being A MAJOR PROBLEM for EVERYONE, which is a real turn off. > It's obvious? Not to me it isn't. You know, there are parts of > the south that don't do any joint replacement using minimally [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > but you'd rather overinflate your problem as being A MAJOR > PROBLEM for EVERYONE, which is a real turn off. What right do you have to say that I'm overinflating my problem? I had a chronic fatigue problem for the first 40 years of my life. I had severe joint pain for about seven years. I had a recurring diarrhea problem for about 3 years. My symptoms have wrecked havoc on my life. Conventional doctors didn't have a clue. They kept telling me that it must be stress. They also suggested that I take Immodium. I accidently found out about Hidden Food Sensitivities from a magazine article in the supermarket. Conventional doctors have overmedicated the U.S.A.. Many doctors are saying this. Too many doctors are too rigid about analyzing health problems. They tend to not look deeply enough at people's total health. I read this in a book written by a doctor (Dr. Braly's Food Allergy and Nutrition Revolution). People look to doctors for a means to an end. Most patients just want to get well safely. They don't care about theories (like placebo). Finding my Hidden Food Sensitivities made me feel the healthiest in my life. It has done the same for scores of people around the world. The medical profession isn't doing anything to cause a similar effect. My energy level and mental focus were better than ever. Why is conventional medicine trying to hide this from the American people? Why is there so little research about this? Brad_Chad >> It's obvious? Not to me it isn't. You know, there are parts >> of [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > doctor (Dr. > Braly's Food Allergy and Nutrition Revolution). WHERE have I EVER said you were overinflating your problem? I said you make it sound like most doctors never check for food sensitivities - which is BULL. > People look to doctors for a means to an end. Most patients > just [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Brad_Chad "Why is > conventional medicine trying to hide this from the American > people?" You and a couple of other nuts on here with your conspiracy theories. THIS is what I mean when I say you grossly overstate things. And this is exactly why you and the other nuts here get no sympathy. You never speak realistically about YOUR doctors - you always make it a huge national problem, when in fact, it is not. > How many > people know that you can eat something that can trigger asthma, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Brad_Chad You know, in 1985, I was sent by my internist to an allergist, because I hadn't had an allergy test for many years, and I kept having problems with mouth sores and infections and stomach upset and IBS. The allergist told me before testing me, that even though some food may not show up as a problem, it might well be, and conversely, I may show a reaction to food that I was once allergic to, that I've now outgrown. The tests were just meant to be a kind of base point from which to start. He told me that reactions to food can show up for three days after eating it, that corn was in almost every single thing we put into our mouths in various forms (corn starch, corn sugar, etc.), that it's VERY often disguised by words we don't recognize, many of them ending with the letters '-ose', and that we would have to follow a rotation diet and keep a diary in order to really identify which foods were bothering me and which weren't. He also stated that processing can change the effect foods have on us, so it wasn't enough to have a tomato in the form of sauce and decide that tomotoes weren't a problem, I'd have to have a raw tomato, as well, because sometimes cooking the tomato down meant being able to tolerate it, but a tomato in its rawest form may mean I can't. And I'd have to wait three days, and note how I was feeling in my food diary, before introducing any new food, including the same food which was prepared differently. That was twenty years ago. Either you live in Podunk, USA, or you're whining about what happened to you thirty years ago. Either way - get over it! > You know, in 1985, I was sent by my internist to an allergist, > because I hadn't had an allergy test for many years, and I kept [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > you're whining about what happened to you thirty years ago. > Either way - get over it! I'm complaining about something that I have had to endure for 40 years. I didn't find out about it until 3 years ago. My alternative doctor says that he sees many people like me. Conventional doctors make them run around in circles because they are too rigid in their analysis. Brad_Chad >> You know, in 1985, I was sent by my internist to an allergist, >> because I hadn't had an allergy test for many years, and I [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] >> you're whining about what happened to you thirty years ago. >> Either way - get over it! > I'm complaining about something that I have had to endure > for 40 [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Brad_Chad Then I would suggest you change the wording of your complaints to refer to the incompetent doctors you've seen, and stop acting like other doctors are as bad as the ones you've chosen. You keep speaking in broad generalizations that "no doctors know about food sensitivity......doctors don't know how to test for food sensitivity....etc.". YOUR doctors didn't - mine DID. If your alternative doctor says he sees many people like you - you must live in a small town where people don't get out much. Stop making it sound like this is a national problem. It's not. > Then I would suggest you change the wording of your complaints to refer to > the incompetent doctors you've seen, and stop acting like other doctors > are as bad as the ones you've chosen. That is pretty much the crux of the matter. The stuff he is talking about is pretty common knowledge. It seems a bit odd to me that he apparently suffered for 40 years and never looked into it himself or sought out enough opinions to get a proper diagnosis. Signature00doc > That is pretty much the crux of the matter. The stuff he is talking about is > pretty common knowledge. It seems a bit odd to me that he apparently [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > -- > 00doc Here we go again. I sought out plenty of opinions. I have even seen a top-notch doctor from Johns Hopkins University. Here is the problem. The test for IgG Food Allergies has not been perfected yet. ImmunoLabs has one of the best in the business, but most doctors don't use ImmunoLabs. Insurance companies don't usually pay for it. Since the testing by most doctors is innacurate, many people suffer for years. Few people are encouraged by their doctors to do elimination diets. I have heard of people that have suffered for decades. Dr. James Braly wrote about this in his book. I had to pay for their test out of my pocket ($350). I don't know of any other company that offers a guarantee like theirs. Did you research Immuno Laboratories? They are in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida. Brad_Chad >Did you research Immuno Laboratories? They are >in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida. > > Brad_Chad I spoke to a guy at Immunolabs named "Kway" (phonetic spelling), and he is sending me their stuff via FedX, which should arrive in several days. He is also supplying the ICD-9 and CPT codes for insurance billing, and they are willing to walk docs through the process if they need their hand held. However, who knows if any insurance company will honor the tests? When I receive their packet, I'll investigate and report to the group. > I spoke to a guy at Immunolabs named "Kway" (phonetic spelling), and > he is sending me their stuff via FedX, which should arrive in several [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > However, who knows if any insurance company will honor the tests? > When I receive their packet, I'll investigate and report to the group. Let me explain something. ImmunoLabs is only guaranteeing the minimum results. Actual results will likely be greater. Hidden Food Sensitivities can trigger acne, asthma, eczema, psoriasis, joint pain, sleep disorders, fatigue, and many, many other health problems. Some people will have their symptoms completely disappear, but most people will notice at least measureable improvement if they follow the rules. Remember, foods are also used to make food additives. You may need to get a list of additives made from a given food. For example, wheat is used to make hydrolyzed vegetable protein, and many other food additives. You can't just look for "wheat" on the label. There are over a hundred food additives made from corn (MSG, xanthan gum, etc.). You may need to buy food from a health food store for awhile. The food in regular supermarkets is loaded with food additives. People with severe food allergies often can't shop there (supermarkets). Talk to a naturopathic doctor (or alternative doctor) about this for more info. I have heard that many people without symptoms have tried it just to get more energy (and a better sex drive). Good Luck Brad_Chad > I spoke to a guy at Immunolabs named "Kway" (phonetic spelling), and > he is sending me their stuff via FedX, which should arrive in several [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > However, who knows if any insurance company will honor the tests? > When I receive their packet, I'll investigate and report to the group. Let me explain something. ImmunoLabs is only guaranteeing the minimum results. Actual results will likely be greater. Hidden Food Sensitivities can trigger acne, asthma, eczema, psoriasis, joint pain, sleep disorders, fatigue, and many, many other health problems. Some people will have their symptoms completely disappear, but most people will notice at least measureable improvement if they follow the rules. Remember, foods are also used to make food additives. You may need to get a list of additives made from a given food. For example, wheat is used to make hydrolyzed vegetable protein, and many other food additives. You can't just look for "wheat" on the label. There are over a hundred food additives made from corn (MSG, xanthan gum, etc.). You may need to buy food from a health food store for awhile. The food in regular supermarkets is loaded with food additives. People with severe food allergies often can't shop there (supermarkets). Talk to a naturopathic doctor (or alternative doctor) about this for more info. I have heard that many people without symptoms have tried it just to get more energy (and a better sex drive). Good Luck Brad_Chad > Then I would suggest you change the wording of your complaints to > refer to the incompetent doctors you've seen, and stop acting [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > you must live in a small town where people don't get out much. > Stop making it sound like this is a national problem. It's not. Incompetent doctors I've seen !!! After I found out about my food sensitivities I talked to two doctors that use unconventional approaches to handling health problems (chelation therapy, yeast syndrome, etc.). They told me that most of their patients had seen several doctors for years, and their doctors couldn't help them. These doctors finally figured out that they had food sensitivities. Dr. James Braly has written a book about this (Dr. Braly's Food Allergy and Nutrition Revolution). Dr. Jonathan Brostoff has written a book about this problem (Food Allergies and Food Intolerance). I told one allergist to look for IgG allergies to corn and dairy, and he still missed it. I paid for a test with another doctor, and it was still missed. A third doctor sent my blood to Immuno Laboratories and they found the corn and dairy allergies, and 16 other foods (broccoli, asparagus, cranberry, etc.). I saw other allergist in the past that only did IgE allergy testing. I live in a town with over 500,000 people. I was born and raised in a town with several million people. My alternative doctor diagnosed me recently as having a systemic candida problem. A gastroenterologist from Johns Hopkins University didn't have a clue. I am now feeling better because of my alternative doctor. If you read the books I told you about, you would see that it is a national problem. It is practically hidden in plain view. Brad_Chad > Incompetent doctors I've seen !!! After I found out about my food > sensitivities I talked to two doctors that use unconventional > approaches to handling health problems (chelation therapy, yeast > syndrome, etc.). They told me that most of their patients had seen > several doctors for years, and their doctors couldn't help them. Yep, unconventional docs always seem to have all the answers. It's amazing that anyone ever uses the other kind. > My alternative doctor diagnosed me recently as having a systemic > candida problem. You and everyone else. For $500 and a stool sample I could have told you the same thing. It would be interesting to find out how many people he sees that he doesn't think has one. Ask him for the names of ten people he evaluated and didn't find things like systemic yeast infections. See what he says. Signature00doc > > > Yep, unconventional docs always seem to have all the answers. I never said that alternative doctors had all the answers. For years, conventional doctors tried to talk me out of seeing an alternative doctor. They have tried to push alternative doctors out of the business. Isn't it enough that conventional medicine has most of the health insurance industry in their pocket? > It's amazing that anyone ever uses the other kind. Especially when consider that conventional medicine tried to hide the Hidden Food Sensitivity controversy from the public. > > My alternative doctor diagnosed me recently as having a systemic > > candida problem. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > he doesn't think has one. Ask him for the names of ten people he evaluated > and didn't find things like systemic yeast infections. See what he says. I gave several stool samples to conventional doctors and they couldn't tell me squat. I even gave a stool sample to a doctor from Johns Hopkins University. I guess they were doing the cheap test (Blue Cross/Blue Shield). I paid for a test out of my pocket and got better results (alternative doctor). Why is it that so many of my alternative doctor's patients say that they went to conventional doctors for years and couldn't get help? Their conventional doctors treated them like they needed to see a psychiatrist. My alternative doctor solved their problem. I told the doctor from Johns Hopkins that garlic seemed to make my diarrhea problem better. He didn't know what to do with that information. I even said that I thought my problem was Candidiasis. He said that it wasn't, and he was still lost. Brad_Chad Look - you say you went to an alt doc, he found several food sensitivities, and you got better. Fine, I have no problem believing that. I can say that what you describe is well known amongst docs and it is unfortunate that you got a bunch of docs that never suggested it. The testing for it is not very good and often what is required is an elimination diet. Any competant allergist should have been able to tell you this and it is a pity that you apparently never saw one. It is not, however, not a matter of hidden agendas, conspiracies, or generized ignorance on the part of the conventional medical community. Which brings me to my next point: You say there is a lab that can reliably identify food allergies from a blood tests? I am extremely skeptical. I would love to see the studies validating this. As I mentioned before, the list of "usual suspects" for this type of thing is not all that long and I have a strong suspicion that would account for a lot of the success. The guarantee makes me especially suspicious and no tecnology is that good and no reputable healthcare professional would make that claim. As for the systemic candidiasis: This is one of the oldest health scams out there. It predates the Internet although it has flourished there. The fact that you are talking about this so seriously proves to me that you are overly subject to the placebo response and not nearly skepical enough. It is no wonder that other docs knew not what to make of your stool since food allergies usually do not show up there and candida is a normal inhabitant of the gut - not a sign of infection. Again, I'll repeat my suggestion that you challenge them. Send a sample that you know is sterile under a name not familiar to them and see what they say. I will guarantee you that that they will diagnose systemic candidiasis. One last thing is just not sitting right with me: If the whole thing was food allergies and an alt doc quickly diagnosed it and found the problems via an elimination diet (as you have claime dint he past) then why continue on with the labs tests and search for candidiasis? Were you cured or not? Ok - I have one more challenge to suggest. I have a very unusual food allergy. I've only ever heard of two other people, and have never actually met anyone, with it. Why don't we work something out where we send them a sample from me and see if they hit it. Loser pays for the test. Signature00doc > Look - you say you went to an alt doc, he found several food sensitivities, > and you got better. Fine, I have no problem believing that. I can say that [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > -- > 00doc ImmunoLabs guarantees that you will have MEASURABLE improvement with fatigue, headaches, overweight, ADD in children, etc. They don't guarantee that they will get all the food sensitivities, but they will get enough to make a difference. They have been in Ft. Lauderdale, Fla. for 24 years. Check the Better Business Bureau. Doctors have written books about the type of situation that I have been going thru. Have you talked with a naturopathic doctor about where their patients come from? Did you read Dr. James Braly's book (Dr. Braly's Food allergy and Nutrition Revolution)? Did you read Dr. Jonathan Brostoff's book? You see, this is what bugs me about conventional medicine. All these doctors complaining, yet few doctors seem to know about this controversy. Food sensitivities is not written on my forehead. Food sensitivities often accompany asthmatic conditions. Why isn't conventional medicine probing all people with asthma for food problems? I had asthma as a kid. I found my corn and dairy sensitivities by myself. Later, I had a blood test by a conventional allergist. He could not find any IgG allergies. He just found some IgE allergies. My alternative doctor found about 16 IgG allergies thru ImmunoLabs (including corn and dairy). ImmunoLabs found foods that I didn't know about. I never did a full blown elimination diet. I did a partial one, plus I kept a food diary. A food diary and intelligence can find some foods. Dr. Braly recommends ImmunoLabs in his book. These books are sold on Amazon.com. My alternative doctor asked me specific questions about my health, did a urine test, and got busy. The guy is licensed by the state. I checked him out. No disciplinary problems. He shares a practice with some other doctors. I'm feeling better, that's what counts. If conventional medicine had moved faster, my candida problem would not have gotten so bad. One allergist told me that he did not believe that yeast problems were a common problem. That is why I stopped seeing him. Brad_Chad >> Look - you say you went to an alt doc, he found several food >> sensitivities, [quoted text clipped - 133 lines] > > Brad_Chad Do you actually READ the replies people leave for you, or is it that you simply don't understand them? I'm starting to think that your traditional doctors weren't the problem, your poor communication skills were. That has occured to me as well. It is hard to assess the competancy of the docs without knowing what they had to work with. It has occured to me that some of his complaints may stem from visits with docs 20 years ago, when much less was known about allergies and their manifestations. It also strikes me that so many have identified neuroses (or worse) in him. The presence of psych issues would not exclude concomitant food sensitivies but it would make them harder to diagnose. He's contradicted himself and admitted to some level of non-compliance a few times here so I am starting to get the feeling that he presented some challenges to a correct diagnosis outside of the realm of the physical. Lastly, his continued searching for more problems despite apparent cure and the ready acceptance of every diagnosis offered to him by alternative providers pretty much clinches the case. Conventional medicine never stood a chance with him and his wallet doesn't stand a chance with the rest. Oh well. Signature00doc > That has occured to me as well. It is hard to assess the competancy of > the docs without knowing what they had to work with. It has occured to [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > -- > 00doc There you go again. It is just me, right. Why haven't you explained what Dr. Braly and Dr. Jonathan Brostoff have been saying. Other doctors have written books about what I have been saying. How come you don't explain that? You can easily find these books on Amazon.com. Why don't you dare call a few naturopathic doctors and see what they say? You didn't get that I used ImmunoLabs to double check for corn and dairy, PLUS find any other food sensitivities. I told you that I never did a full blown elimination diet, which can take months. I stayed away from corn and dairy for a long time, and I wanted to see if I still had any IgG antibodies. I went to an alternative doctor after seeing a digestive specialist who had performed BOTH a colonoscopy and an endoscopy on me. After these procedures, he suggested that I try some time of sugar enzyme for the Candida problem. I did. The results were lousy, plus his explanation for the garlic effect was indecisive. After the sugar enzyme fiasco, he wanted to try some antibiotics. I decided that that was enough. I had been through enough antibiotics with other doctors. When I saw my alternative doctor he explained everything clearly (even the garlic). You somehow got confused about the timeline. Many doctors are saying that conventional medicine has overdosed this country (United States of America). About 40% of Americans are on some form of prescription medication. Why is that? I find this outrageous. Dr. Braly says that if doctors tried to prevent health problem, more often, Americans wouldn't have so many health problems. Alternative doctors treat food as medicine. I have followed my doctors instructions to a tee. I even give my doctors more information than they request. If my stools get unusually dark after taking a new medication, I tell my doctor, before he(she) asks me. I am not a hypochondriac by any stretch of the imagination. There are a million things that I would rather do than go to the doctor's office. I have a sexual dysfunction problem because of the Candida. If conventional doctors had taken care of the Candida problem in its early stages, I probably wouldn't have the sexual dysfunction problem. I don't know where you get this idea that I'm searching for problems. I would expect the medical profession to make excuses for each other, blame the patient. Brad_Chad Also note that he has completely ignored all of my suggestions for testing these providers. I guess he really doesn't want to know if they are telling the truth. Signature00doc > Also note that he has completely ignored all of my suggestions for > testing these providers. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > -- > 00doc You want me to spend more time and money on something senseless. I have noticed that you have not said anything about the books I told you about. Have you talked to naturopathic doctors about the experiences of their patients? Brad_Chad > >> Look - you say you went to an alt doc, he found several food > >> sensitivities, [quoted text clipped - 139 lines] > I'm starting to think that your traditional doctors weren't the > problem, your poor communication skills were. I was wondering if you read what I have been writing. I had to try over and over again to convince people to look into things. It amazes me that people have called ImmunoLabs a scam. Why haven't people checked with the Better Business Bureau before calling it a scam. I'm sure that if a company was ripping people off for $350 a pop, a whole lot of people would be complainihg. It is funny that I would be having the same poor communication skills that Dr. James Braly would be having with his patients; that Dr. Jonathan Brostoff (remember the books) would be having with his patients; and that naturopathic doctors, everywhere, would be having with their patients. I've had enough stool samples. I don't need to prove anything else to anybody, as far as that is concerned. Why don't you check out what other people are saying in other groups about conventional medicine? I can't believe that I have had to fight like hell in order to get people to look into something that doesn't involve medication, or a relatively (lifetime) large amount of money. I'm talking about something that could have a lifetime benefit. It is amazing how little initiative there is in our society. If I had less initiative, I would not have read the magazine article about Hidden Food Allergies. I just tried to help people, and the fight has worn me out. Brad_Chad > I was wondering if you read what I have been writing. I had > to try [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > whole > lot of people would be complainihg. Really? Apparently you've never heard of Ionic Breeze or other rip offs that people get suckered into all the time. People buy bottled water with special healing properties (haha) that cost $65.00 a bottle and nobody is complaining about being ripped off. In fact, people buy 16 oz of bottled plain water for $2 or $3 all the time, and they don't complain about being ripped off then either. There are a lot of scams out there and to deny that is being naive. It is funny that I would be having > the same poor communication skills that Dr. James Braly would > be having [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > doctors, > everywhere, would be having with their patients. You make absolutely no sense, Brad. I've had enough stool > samples. I don't need to prove anything else to anybody, as far > as that > is concerned. Why don't you check out what other people are > saying in > other groups about conventional medicine? I've checked them out. The truth is, conventional medicine has been embracing non-conventional medicine for the past several years. I believe there should be a balance between the two traditions - the best of both breeds. Why don't YOU and all those other people who are against conventional medicine call one of your naturopathic geniuses the next time you or a loved one is suffering a stroke or heart attack or has been diagnosed with cancer? I know people just like you who, when their backs are against the wall, dial 911 just like all of us informed dolts do. Why is that? I can't believe that I have > had to fight like hell in order to get people to look into > something > that doesn't involve medication, or a relatively (lifetime) > large > amount of money. I can't believe you're painting yourself as the poster child of food sensitivity. My doctors knew about it twenty years ago. Maybe I just pick brighter docs than you do. I'm talking about something that could have a lifetime > benefit. It is amazing how little initiative there is in our > society. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Brad_Chad What a burden it must be to try and convince people of things they already know and acknowledge. Well, you have company here. There are a few of you who waste a lot of time doing battle, trying to convince people of things they already believe, who sound truly convinced that you're medical researchers who are here to save a world of unsuspecting dupes from big bad conspiracies. You're like bible thumpers standing on church steps. What a waste of time. > Really? Apparently you've never heard of Ionic Breeze or other > rip offs that people get suckered into all the time. People buy [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > either. There are a lot of scams out there and to deny that is > being naive. Well, this scam is better than the scam by conventional medicine. With this scam, you can have more energy, better looking skin, lose your acne or psoriasis, and many other problems. All this with no medication (or medicine side effects). > > You make absolutely no sense, Brad. You make it seem like it is only me complaining. I told you about other doctors that have written books about this. > I've checked them out. The truth is, conventional medicine has > been embracing non-conventional medicine for the past several [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > against the wall, dial 911 just like all of us informed dolts do. > Why is that? Remember, I also endorsed alternative doctors. They and integrative doctors can help with serious medical conditions. I respect conventional doctors for their ability to treat serious conditions. I just think that they have dropped the ball on prevention. > I can't believe that I have > > had to fight like hell in order to get people to look into [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > food sensitivity. My doctors knew about it twenty years ago. > Maybe I just pick brighter docs than you do. Read the books !!! > I'm talking about something that could have a lifetime > > benefit. It is amazing how little initiative there is in our [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > conspiracies. You're like bible thumpers standing on church > steps. What a waste of time. Really? People already know that the asthma that they had as a kid, and the eczema that they had as a teen, and the joint pain that they had in their 2o's, and the chronic diarrhea that they have in their 30's are all connected by food? They know that their energy level and sex drive may skyrocket after they find their food sensitivities? They know that food sensitivities have been connected to over 75 health problems (including ADD, autism, depression, and epilepsy)? It doesn't cure autism and epilepsy, but it does make it better for many people. Why take care of symptoms without pills that might cause side effects, and leaves you with more energy, and better looking skin, gums, etc., when you can see a conventional doctor who will push pills on you? What will the world do with less drug company salespeople, that entice doctors to push their drugs, by offering them all kinds of fancy perks? Brad_Chad > Well, this scam is better than the scam by conventional > medicine. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > no > medication (or medicine side effects). What is the scam by conventional medicine? Define that. >> > You make absolutely no sense, Brad. > > You make it seem like it is only me complaining. I told you > about > other doctors that have written books about this. And I told you that my doctors suggested food sensitivity and an elimination diet twenty years ago. But that doesn't stop you from posting that NO DOCTORS know about this. >> I've checked them out. The truth is, conventional medicine >> has [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > conditions. I > just think that they have dropped the ball on prevention. Explain to me which diseases your naturopaths have prevented you from getting, and how you've proven that. >> I can't believe that I have >> > had to fight like hell in order to get people to look into [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Read the books !!! I've read some of the books you've listed. Read my posts !!! > Really? People already know that the asthma that they had as > a kid, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > their > 30's are all connected by food? In my case, it was caused by unresolved bacteria. And a traditional doctor treated me for it, and I don't have asthma anymore, and have far fewer allergies which are also much milder. They know that their energy level and > sex drive may skyrocket after they find their food > sensitivities? They [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Brad_Chad First of all, changing a persons diet isn't going to resolve every ailment under the sun, no matter what your naturopaths tell you. Secondly, you do traditional medicine a great disservice by constantly suggesting that it doesn't include things like diet and nutrition. YOUR problem is that you want internists to discuss diet with their patients absent of any medical reason for doing so (such as hypertension or risk of a heart attack), as a preventative measure, and many do not. Why don't they? Probably because most of the time, people won't do what their doctors are telling them anyway. If you don't believe this to be true, why don't you ask Doc? And then, when they're paying for services that insurance won't cover, such as for consultations discussing diet and a dozen supplements, they suddenly begin doing what THAT alternative doctor suggests. I've seen that a dozen times among friends and family members, and I'll bet others here have, too. Check out the websites of hospitals and you'll find nutritionists on staff, you'll find holistic centers where you can learn about supplements and take yoga classes, et |
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