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How 'dirt' could educate the immune system, help treat asthma
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Dr. Jai Maharaj - 25 Sep 2005 21:53 GMT How 'dirt' could educate the immune system, help treat asthma
-From Imperial College, London Bioscience & Medicine
Scientists believe that knowing exactly which type of dirt provides the best 'education' for the immune system, could be key to providing new treatments for diseases such as asthma.
Speaking at the launch of the BA Festival of Science today, Professor Peter Openshaw, explains that a lack of exposure to dirt and common viral infections among children could be behind the rise in the levels of asthma.
Professor Openshaw, from Imperial College London, and based at St Mary's Hospital, says: "Although we have seen a dramatic decline in many previously common childhood infections over the past 100 years, we have also seen a considerable rise in the prevalence of diseases such as asthma. The increase in asthma cannot be blamed purely on changes in genetic risk, so must be down to environmental factors."
Scientists have called this the 'hygiene' hypothesis, with a lack of exposure to viruses and other environmental factors meaning children are not able to build up resistance, and can become more susceptible to disease later in life. They also believe having many older siblings, attending day care at an early age, or growing up on a farm can help in promoting resistance to disease.
Studies have shown that most common colds can help protect against wheezing in later childhood, and other childhood infections such as chickenpox also provide a level of protection.
Professor Openshaw adds: "The challenge now is to find ways of reproducing the protective effects of early childhood infections, while reducing the burden of actually getting these infectious diseases. Knowing exactly which 'dirt' provides the best education for the immune system, and how to mimic its affects in a cleaner environment, could be the key to reducing the rise in the prevalence of asthma and related diseases."
Professor Openshaw is a respiratory medicine researcher, looking at immunological responses to diseases such as asthma, the common cold and other lung diseases.
-From Imperial College, London Bioscience & Medicine
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mcs - 25 Sep 2005 22:12 GMT again this is bull in my eyes. You have more cars and you have more coal production and you have more people in Asia and the people with most asthma and respiratory diseases are the people living in landlocked communities with big populations. Do a link between pollution and respiratory disease . The only thing that one can do that would save many of lives and maximize quality of life is to make cars more energy effecient and mandate using hybreds and buses with less exhaust. Do you realize that societies are set up where hospitals and clinics and tv advertising depend , actually depend on allowing these toxins to keep happening in order to provide jobs. Those in power somehow have deducted to not have reporters ask why asthma is such a concern and rather field questions about why peoples systems are mal functioning. They are not mal functioning they are being poisoned. The studies I contest can prove it if the million links have not. You can't undo poisoning . By the way if one were only able to see the differences in quality of life between communities with less pollution and those that are allowed to be poison , it would amaze. Children out playing, people happier , families healthier, But wait, now instead of that , instead of mandating changes now, where only one would have to look at places where kids are not experiencing 16 percent asthma, ( those living in cleanest environment) one might deduct that many in our country are being poisoned without ever having the benefits of a better possible life simply because govt cares more about energy companies. ( the richest poison polluters on earth) .
> How 'dirt' could educate the immune system, help treat asthma > [quoted text clipped - 118 lines] > by forgery by one or more net terrorists, > this post may be reposted several times. Merlin - 26 Sep 2005 03:25 GMT G'day MCS, you seem to be pretty busy these days. I think the easiest way to ease pollution is to increase petroleum prices, this is actually beginning to occur with the Chinese emergence. Trebling the price of car fuel virtually placed all larger cars off the road in one of the Pacific Island nations I was posted to. This was when the fuel shortages occurred in the seventies. Surprising effect on vehicles and prices, you couldn't give the big sixes away, the small fours became immediatle gold.
The anti-body argument has become non-argument here in Australia, children are purposely mixed with controlled dirt situations in preschools and many parents understand the value of this exposure. Cotton-wooled kids are easily identifiable. Getting them out in the mud with a hose and a dog is becoming commonsense.
This is often a really major consideration where a child has asthma, but it needs careful control. Much of the problem cause would appear to involve antibiotic use. Proffessor Gary Huffnagle (Michigan) has interesting research info on this. Our Supermarkets now have childrens supplementry probiotic mixtures available made by the Nestle's company. This stuff appeared about a year ago and is becoming common useage, like Milo kinds of drinks for kids. This area certainly becomes interesting when you are dealing with children with an asthmatic tendency.
By the way, I am currently examining a home where a 30 year old woman has terrible asthma, she has been on strong prednisone for the past 3 years. It is a bit like a train wreck. When I entered the home the first thing I noted was strong chemical scents. Apart from all the usual stuff women seem to like to have everywhere, she had strong eucalyptus on and around the bed.
>From my experience this is the most unforgiving stuff imaginable. No previous reccomendation to examine her home for problem substances had been given. Her doctor had done basic allergy testing without any real problem detected. Apart from this there were strong disinfectants and other similar kinds of chemical aromatics everywhere I looked. The carpets have even been scented. Now the situation is what reccomendation to suggest as to what goes and what stays, this is one of those homes where it has become a virtual aromatic gas chamber. Her car was not much better. Any way, I will advise what the outcome is later on. It is a bit of a dillemma. I commonly find these situations which I can only describe as MCSS kinds of problems, these are really different kinds of pollution. Unintentional self sacrifice. Cheers, Merlin.
mcs - 26 Sep 2005 05:25 GMT > G'day MCS, you seem to be pretty busy these days. > I think the easiest way to ease pollution is to increase petroleum [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Surprising effect on vehicles and prices, you couldn't give the big > sixes away, the small fours became immediatle gold. Merlin its one way to reduce the number of cars on the road but it penalizes the people who need the cars the most. Even if everyone changed into smaller cars, there are more and more people compensating for the savings gain and energy saved. I am sure though, thats one way to rationalize things.
> The anti-body argument has become non-argument here in Australia, > children are purposely mixed with controlled dirt situations in > preschools and many parents understand the value of this exposure. I didnt mean to devalue that argument, see last paragraph below.
> Cotton-wooled kids are easily identifiable. > Getting them out in the mud with a hose and a dog is becoming [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > but it needs careful control. > Much of the problem cause would appear to involve antibiotic use. Ok with this I tend to agree which makes Roberts and his friend CEOs opinions even more incredullous. I knew there was something even more bothersome then giving this advice out.
> Proffessor Gary Huffnagle (Michigan) has interesting research info on > this. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > This area certainly becomes interesting when you are dealing with > children with an asthmatic tendency. so what are you saying they are giving people anti biotics early to circumstend asthma?
> By the way, I am currently examining a home where a 30 year old woman > has terrible asthma, she has been on strong prednisone for the past 3 [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Unintentional self sacrifice. > Cheers, Merlin. hello Merlin, First let me say this lol No I didn't mean to negate everything besides pollution, its just that lets at least acknowledge a, if people are dying faster in polluted states, b, if people are getting asthma faster in polluted states, c, and if so lets at least acknowledge that once and for all and assume at least this is giant reason for people getting sick and our society should not depend on that connection to employ hospital workers and pharmacists. because that to me is the only reason this is allowed to keep going on!!!! Has anyone cared to ask our leaders why if pollution is getting better ( not) why kids asthma is getting worse. I will tell you because particulate pollution is not necessarily getting better. Like I alluded to not only do I think people are getting sick from this pollution and are unable to exercise like others in beter air states as well, I think overall health including amounts of cancers and heart disease could be directly correlated with the amount of pollution.. So its not what I think , its what the truth is. There are very many links that more or less substantiate that. I have heard the bacteria theory, I have heard the immunology theory how peoples immune system is broke, I had someone write in another group about Doctors in Europe are using parasites to do something to people and they are getting less asthma lol, so heck, if I don't agree , my whole private life gets trashed . I think its very indicatitve of how people want to protect that which they believe in or have . The trillion dollar energy companies have so much power they would do anything to maintain it and thus we got their champion of champions Mr Bush who sold a bill of good in spite of countless allegations , that I really don't want to get into here again. The point is , its extremely unnerving to have to put up with more of the same every other day here. Yes I could move , yes everyone can move, and yes other things might cause asthma, but the point is how does a society rationalize the biggest cause goes on virtually without discourse or course of action? How do societies leaders not care if other people in their community are dying from cancers or just dying years earlier then others? One reason is that they are not told,. Two is reporters dont care. Its sickening and discouraging and not to mention a pity . I was in store today and more and more I see people with respirators. Sure some smoked but others have not like the guy across the street. How does all this go on? Its discouraging to think the best country in the world allows people to get sick or die and do nothing. Christie Whitman knew what was going on , and I give her credit trying to make a difference. She tried in this life to make a difference even though she was a republican.. ok got that off my chest Merlin, Good day Merlin
Merlin - 26 Sep 2005 12:05 GMT G'day MCS, yes but from our point of view here you chaps have created your own situation. It is a penalty of your progress. I think you hit the nail on the head when you mention how would people get to work without cars, if we reflect back to earlier ages they all got to work OK, but used public transport. This has some interesting positive ideas, like in Singapore certain areas support public transport to certain areas so people tend to live in areas where the public transport favours their work location. Speedy and efficient. Why do people need cars? In some other places public transport is actually free, think of how this affects living locations. We are introducing alcohol fuel mixes to ease the vehicle fuel useage problem and buses running on natural gas are common. Diesel fuels are going to prescribed particulate low sulphur levels and other fuels are being phased out. Any jump in fuel prices affect us directly here so that is another problem that needs to be addressed, there is a rush to convert vehicles to natural gas because we have significant reserves of the stuff and it is pretty clean running. I think the days of the motor car were made obvious with the jammed roads with people vacating from the hurricane recently. That was really a ridiculous situation that shows how private vehicles are a problem. Of course this doesn't apply to me I still have several cars with large capacity engines but I just can't drive them so often, the cost of fuel has virtually doubled here in the past twelve months. We are paying $1.40 a litre approximately at this time. So everything is increasing, costs, inflation and of course interest rates. So it is a typical unstable situation of stability with a good end-product hopefully!! It most certainly sounds like the beginning of the end for large private vehicles and of course directly affects pollutive circumstances. Cheers, Merlin.
> > G'day MCS, you seem to be pretty busy these days. > > I think the easiest way to ease pollution is to increase petroleum [quoted text clipped - 106 lines] > Merlin, > Good day Merlin
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