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How 'dirt' could educate the immune system, help treat asthma

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Dr. Jai Maharaj - 25 Sep 2005 21:53 GMT
How 'dirt' could educate the immune system, help treat asthma

-From Imperial College, London
Bioscience & Medicine

Scientists believe that knowing exactly which type of
dirt provides the best 'education' for the immune system,
could be key to providing new treatments for diseases
such as asthma.

Speaking at the launch of the BA Festival of Science
today, Professor Peter Openshaw, explains that a lack of
exposure to dirt and common viral infections among
children could be behind the rise in the levels of
asthma.

Professor Openshaw, from Imperial College London, and
based at St Mary's Hospital, says: "Although we have seen
a dramatic decline in many previously common childhood
infections over the past 100 years, we have also seen a
considerable rise in the prevalence of diseases such as
asthma. The increase in asthma cannot be blamed purely on
changes in genetic risk, so must be down to environmental
factors."

Scientists have called this the 'hygiene' hypothesis,
with a lack of exposure to viruses and other
environmental factors meaning children are not able to
build up resistance, and can become more susceptible to
disease later in life. They also believe having many
older siblings, attending day care at an early age, or
growing up on a farm can help in promoting resistance to
disease.

Studies have shown that most common colds can help
protect against wheezing in later childhood, and other
childhood infections such as chickenpox also provide a
level of protection.

Professor Openshaw adds: "The challenge now is to find
ways of reproducing the protective effects of early
childhood infections, while reducing the burden of
actually getting these infectious diseases. Knowing
exactly which 'dirt' provides the best education for the
immune system, and how to mimic its affects in a cleaner
environment, could be the key to reducing the rise in the
prevalence of asthma and related diseases."

Professor Openshaw is a respiratory medicine researcher,
looking at immunological responses to diseases such as
asthma, the common cold and other lung diseases.

-From Imperial College, London
Bioscience & Medicine

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mcs - 25 Sep 2005 22:12 GMT
again this is bull in my eyes. You have more cars and you have more coal
production and you have more people in Asia and the people with most asthma
and respiratory diseases are the people living in landlocked communities
with big populations. Do a link between pollution and respiratory disease .
The only thing that one can do that would save many of lives and maximize
quality of life is to make cars more energy effecient and mandate using
hybreds and buses with less exhaust. Do you realize that societies are set
up where hospitals and clinics and tv advertising depend , actually depend
on allowing these toxins to keep happening in order to provide jobs. Those
in power somehow have deducted to not have reporters ask why asthma is such
a concern and rather field questions about why peoples systems are mal
functioning. They are not mal functioning they are being poisoned. The
studies I contest can prove it if the million links have not. You can't undo
poisoning . By the way if one were only able to see the differences in
quality of life between communities with less pollution and those that are
allowed to be poison , it would amaze. Children out playing, people happier
, families healthier,  But wait, now instead of that , instead of mandating
changes now, where only one would have to look at places where kids are not
experiencing 16 percent asthma, ( those living in cleanest environment) one
might deduct that many in our country are being poisoned without ever having
the benefits of a better possible life simply because govt cares more about
energy companies. ( the richest poison polluters on earth) .
> How 'dirt' could educate the immune system, help treat asthma
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Merlin - 26 Sep 2005 03:25 GMT
G'day MCS, you seem to be pretty busy these days.
I think the easiest way to ease pollution is to increase petroleum
prices, this is actually beginning to occur with the Chinese emergence.
Trebling the price of car fuel virtually placed all larger cars off the
road in one of the Pacific Island nations I was posted to. This was
when the fuel shortages occurred in the seventies.
Surprising effect on vehicles and prices, you couldn't give the big
sixes away, the small fours became immediatle gold.

The anti-body argument has become non-argument here in Australia,
children are purposely mixed with controlled dirt situations in
preschools and many parents understand the value of this exposure.
Cotton-wooled kids are easily identifiable.
Getting them out in the mud with a hose and a dog is becoming
commonsense.

This is often a really major consideration where a child has asthma,
but it needs careful control.
Much of the problem cause would appear to involve antibiotic use.
Proffessor Gary Huffnagle (Michigan) has interesting research info on
this.
Our Supermarkets now have childrens supplementry probiotic mixtures
available made by the Nestle's company. This stuff appeared about a
year ago and is becoming common useage, like Milo kinds of drinks for
kids.
This area certainly becomes interesting when you are dealing with
children with an asthmatic tendency.

By the way, I am currently examining a home where a 30 year old woman
has terrible asthma, she has been on strong prednisone for the past 3
years. It is a bit like a train wreck.
When I entered the home the first thing I noted was strong chemical
scents. Apart from all the usual stuff women seem to like to have
everywhere, she had strong eucalyptus on and around the bed.
>From my experience this is the most unforgiving stuff imaginable.
No previous reccomendation to examine her home for problem substances
had been given. Her doctor had done basic allergy testing without any
real problem detected.
Apart from this there were strong disinfectants and other similar kinds
of chemical aromatics everywhere I looked.
The carpets have even been scented.
Now the situation is what reccomendation to suggest as to what goes and
what stays, this is one of those homes where it has become a virtual
aromatic gas chamber.
Her car was not much better.
Any way, I will advise what the outcome is later on. It is a bit of a
dillemma.
I commonly find these situations which I can only describe as MCSS
kinds of problems, these are really different kinds of pollution.
Unintentional self sacrifice.  
Cheers, Merlin.
mcs - 26 Sep 2005 05:25 GMT
> G'day MCS, you seem to be pretty busy these days.
> I think the easiest way to ease pollution is to increase petroleum
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> Surprising effect on vehicles and prices, you couldn't give the big
> sixes away, the small fours became immediatle gold.

Merlin its one way to reduce the number of cars on the road but it penalizes
the people who need the cars the most. Even if everyone changed into smaller
cars, there are more and more people compensating for the savings gain and
energy saved. I am sure though, thats one way to rationalize things.

> The anti-body argument has become non-argument here in Australia,
> children are purposely mixed with controlled dirt situations in
> preschools and many parents understand the value of this exposure.
I didnt mean to devalue that argument, see last paragraph below.

> Cotton-wooled kids are easily identifiable.
> Getting them out in the mud with a hose and a dog is becoming
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> but it needs careful control.
> Much of the problem cause would appear to involve antibiotic use.

Ok with this I tend to agree which makes Roberts and his friend CEOs
opinions even more incredullous. I knew there was something even more
bothersome then giving this advice out.

> Proffessor Gary Huffnagle (Michigan) has interesting research info on
> this.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> This area certainly becomes interesting when you are dealing with
> children with an asthmatic tendency.

so what are you saying they are giving people anti biotics early to
circumstend asthma?

> By the way, I am currently examining a home where a 30 year old woman
> has terrible asthma, she has been on strong prednisone for the past 3
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> Unintentional self sacrifice.
> Cheers, Merlin.

hello Merlin,
First let me say this lol
No I didn't mean to negate everything besides pollution, its just that lets
at least acknowledge a, if people are dying faster in polluted states, b, if
people are getting asthma faster  in polluted states, c, and if so lets at
least acknowledge that once and for all and assume at least this is giant
reason for people getting sick and our society should not depend on that
connection to employ hospital workers and pharmacists. because that to me is
the only reason this is allowed to keep going on!!!! Has anyone cared to ask
our leaders why if pollution is getting better ( not) why kids asthma is
getting worse. I will tell you because particulate pollution is not
necessarily getting better.
Like I alluded to not only do I think people are getting sick from this
pollution and are unable to exercise like others in beter air states as
well, I think overall health including amounts of cancers and heart disease
could be directly correlated with the amount of pollution.. So its not what
I think , its what the truth is. There are very many links that more or less
substantiate that.   I have heard the bacteria theory, I have heard the
immunology theory how peoples immune system is broke, I had someone write in
another group about Doctors in Europe are using parasites to do something to
people and they are getting less asthma lol, so heck, if I don't agree , my
whole private life gets trashed . I think its very indicatitve of how people
want to protect that which they believe in or have . The trillion dollar
energy companies have so much power they would do anything to maintain it
and thus we got their champion of champions Mr Bush who sold a bill of good
in spite of countless allegations , that I really don't want to get into
here again. The point is , its extremely unnerving to have to put up with
more of the same every other day here. Yes I could move , yes everyone can
move,  and yes other things might cause asthma, but the point is how does a
society rationalize the biggest cause goes on  virtually  without discourse
or course of action? How do societies leaders not care if other people in
their community are dying from cancers or just dying years earlier then
others? One reason is that they are not told,. Two is reporters dont care.
Its sickening and discouraging and not to mention a pity . I was in store
today and more and more I see people with respirators. Sure some smoked but
others have not like the guy across the street.
 How does all this go on? Its discouraging to think the best country in the
world allows people to get sick or die and do nothing. Christie Whitman knew
what was going on , and I give her credit trying to make a difference. She
tried in this life to make a difference even though she was a republican..
ok got that off my chest
Merlin,
Good day Merlin
Merlin - 26 Sep 2005 12:05 GMT
G'day MCS, yes but from our point of view here you chaps have created
your own situation. It is a penalty of your progress.
I think you hit the nail on the head when you mention how would people
get to work without cars, if we reflect back to earlier ages they all
got to work OK, but used public transport.
This has some interesting positive ideas, like in Singapore certain
areas support public transport to certain areas so people tend to live
in areas where the public transport favours their work location. Speedy
and efficient. Why do people need cars?
In some other places public transport is actually free, think of how
this affects living locations.
We are introducing alcohol fuel mixes to ease the vehicle fuel useage
problem and buses running on natural gas are common.
Diesel fuels are going to prescribed particulate low sulphur levels and
other fuels are being phased out.
Any jump in fuel prices affect us directly here so that is another
problem that needs to be addressed, there is a rush to convert vehicles
to natural gas because we have significant reserves of the stuff and it
is pretty clean running.
I think the days of the motor car were made obvious with the jammed
roads with people vacating from the hurricane recently.
That was really a ridiculous situation that shows how private vehicles
are a problem.
Of course this doesn't apply to me I still have several cars with large
capacity engines but I just can't drive them so often, the cost of fuel
has virtually doubled here in the past twelve months.
We are paying $1.40 a litre approximately at this time.
So everything is increasing, costs, inflation and of course interest
rates. So it is a typical unstable situation of stability with a good
end-product hopefully!!
It most certainly sounds like the beginning of the end for large
private vehicles and of course directly affects pollutive
circumstances.
Cheers, Merlin.

> > G'day MCS, you seem to be pretty busy these days.
> > I think the easiest way to ease pollution is to increase petroleum
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> Merlin,
> Good day Merlin
 
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