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Study, Pollution may cause asthma

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mcs - 25 Sep 2005 00:44 GMT
How is this one doc

http://www.safe2use.com/ca-ipm/02-02-01s.htm

We gots lots more for Bush lovers
hey doc since your a doc, why aren't you recommending anti biotics for
asthma? Since you certainly can't fathom the idea that what causes asthma
might be pollution and are worried about such use of proper language. Why
aren't you concerned about prescribing antibiotics like your good friends
Roberts and Mike suggest? After all if your worried about my personal life ,
you might be worried about curing people fifty percent of the time aye? Doc?
Michael Halliwell - 25 Sep 2005 08:36 GMT
> How is this one doc
>
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> Roberts and Mike suggest? After all if your worried about my personal life ,
> you might be worried about curing people fifty percent of the time aye? Doc?

I sure hope by "Mike" you're not referring to me.  I've never advocated
any particular treatment for asthma...and as I am an engineer, not a
medical doctor, I would be completely out of my league advocating a
course of medical treatment. I am, however, open to the possibility that
there are numerous potential causes for a medical condition such as
asthma which can involve an extremely complex system of environmental
factors, biology, chemistry, phisiology and more.

On this group, I have commented on my treatment, referred people to
their doctors or specialists when it seemed like they were not receiving
help for their conditions or that their conditions weren't being
controlled (based on my experience as a uniformed, volunteer provider of
first aid) and stated information I have that may be of use when it
comes to air quality issues.

Personally, I see this site as someplace for information on asthma...not
for politics from any one country.

Michael Halliwell
mcs - 25 Sep 2005 10:07 GMT
but it is a political issue. People definitely get a little shaken when they
realize that they might have a govt that on one end tries in some way to
protect its citizens , hence the epa but on another guts rules for polluters
, didn't maximize alternative energy funding till too late, and doesn't care
that people are being adversely affected by pollution. We have a press that
basically goes along with this, so it is a political issue too. Just notice
how personal people get when you suggest  why its important to know why you
have to take these meds in the first place or why they should care to know
why its happening ..
 What I have seen from trees going down to people unable to exercise when
health experts tell you to, to record number of commercials for asthma, and
sinus meds and cancer clinics etc, is beyond belief. I think its not
happening to all communities but allot of communities. If I can find a
million links to pollution and asthma or respiratory disease yet people in
general still think often enough that pollution is not a big problem , you
know why Bush wins elections.
Asthma might have many reasons for its cause but the biggest ones are often
not  reported. The fact that so manykids are affected is a crime , when govt
can do more to ease the situation tomorrow. Epa  or gov officals  I think
has modified its views and asked for attorneys to make suggestions as to
what to do or suggest to help do more for states complaining about the
quality of air in their regions. So obviously all this complaining might
ultimately find its mark even if its to the disappointment of Bush bots  in
one way or another. You have people here who have agendas, be it treating
asthma or not wanting to see the correlations with pollution, or not caring
why they need medication. At first I didn't prove my case, then I was nuts
and now I don't have a job. This is even the mentality of Drs. who get up in
arms when their control is in question and so you now know why oil and
energy have this power to begin with .

>> How is this one doc
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> Michael Halliwell
Michael Halliwell - 25 Sep 2005 22:29 GMT
> but it is a political issue. People definitely get a little shaken when they
> realize that they might have a govt that on one end tries in some way to
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>>
>>Michael Halliwell

Well, MCS, when you finally come to a realization that the pollution you
claim to be against is a global problem, perhaps you'll look at
international politics vs your private agenda for your president.

Btw, great avoidance of the main portion of my post....I'm adding you to
my killfile now.

Michael Halliwell
mcs - 27 Sep 2005 16:57 GMT
ok ,Now about putting me in killfile
no that can't be. Say this is not happening.
.

>> but it is a political issue. People definitely get a little shaken when
>> they realize that they might have a govt that on one end tries in some
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> Michael Halliwell
00doc - 26 Sep 2005 21:11 GMT
Congratulations. You seem to have finally figured out the meaning of
the word, "cause." Now all you need to do is look up the word, :may,"
and we will really be getting somewhere.

As for antibiotics: Funny you should mention it. I just started someone
on a 12 week course of Zithromax last week.

I'm not worried about your personal life. I wouldn't bring it up at all
if you weren't constantly trying to use it as an excuse.
mcs - 27 Sep 2005 16:51 GMT
So doc your worried about me telling people about the association between
pollution and asthma  and the millions of links more or less because a, I
provided no links and b, when I did, the word may was used. And your
prescribing anti bacterial meds for asthma?  No that can't be. This must be
a mistake....

> Congratulations. You seem to have finally figured out the meaning of
> the word, "cause." Now all you need to do is look up the word, :may,"
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> I'm not worried about your personal life. I wouldn't bring it up at all
> if you weren't constantly trying to use it as an excuse.
mcs - 27 Sep 2005 17:07 GMT
Your worried about my associations with pollution and asthma because all
those links don't say MUST cause asthma . Yet you are prescribing meds for
conditions that have much much less studies  in cause and effect . Seems a
little hypocritical.
For years and even now some people would argue that mandating  cigarette ads
with warnings is  or was a bit premature    because majority of people still
dont get lung cancer who smoke. Seems like when there area million links and
more kids getting sick in certain states, more people need to get this
information, not meds to fight it after they are poisoned. or hypocritical
docs worried about my providing this information.  So Doc it seem like your
worried about semantics instead of helping people.

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Yet he is prescribing meds
> Congratulations. You seem to have finally figured out the meaning of
> the word, "cause." Now all you need to do is look up the word, :may,"
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> I'm not worried about your personal life. I wouldn't bring it up at all
> if you weren't constantly trying to use it as an excuse.
00doc - 27 Sep 2005 18:20 GMT
Cause vs worsen is more than semantics as is may vs does.

There really is no logical inconsistency. If I could prescribe
something to stop the effects of pollution I would do that too. If I
rented endlessly about it hear I would expect others to grow weary of
it.

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00doc - 27 Sep 2005 18:22 GMT
Oh, and by the way, there are far more studies suggesting bacteria as a
cause of asthma than polution as the cause (as opposed to a trigger).

Google doesn't offer a killfile. Looks like I'm going to have to start
exersizingh more restraint.

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Bob - 27 Sep 2005 18:35 GMT
>Oh, and by the way, there are far more studies suggesting bacteria as a
>cause of asthma than polution as the cause (as opposed to a trigger).
>
>Google doesn't offer a killfile. Looks like I'm going to have to start
>exersizingh more restraint.

Here, you can borrow my bug zapper.

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