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mcs - 24 Sep 2005 03:28 GMT
IS GOING TO BE APPROVED FOR ASTHMA.? LOL  lololol  FOR THREE YEARS THIS CRAP
HE POSTS WITH ONE STUDY OR TWO AND NOTHING EVER CAME OF IT. I ASKED FOR HIM
TO POST ...OK LETS SAY 50 LINKS TO PRESENT DAY THEORY ON THIS CRAZINESS, .
SO FAR WE GOT LONG WAIT HUH ROBERTS?  MENTAL ILLNESS ME? SEEMS LIKE GOOD
CHANCE YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS A BIT WEIRD . I DON'T WANT TO CALL YOU TOTALLY
MENTALLY ILL YET.
mcs - 24 Sep 2005 03:34 GMT
ROBERTS
didyou show us a study where like 65 percent of people taking ant biotics
for asthma were like cured?  What happened? Those kind of  results would
kind of make pollution look like a  mentally deranged plot  to take over
your anti bacteria labs.
> IS GOING TO BE APPROVED FOR ASTHMA.? LOL  lololol  FOR THREE YEARS THIS
> CRAP HE POSTS WITH ONE STUDY OR TWO AND NOTHING EVER CAME OF IT. I ASKED
> FOR HIM TO POST ...OK LETS SAY 50 LINKS TO PRESENT DAY THEORY ON THIS
> CRAZINESS, . SO FAR WE GOT LONG WAIT HUH ROBERTS?  MENTAL ILLNESS ME?
> SEEMS LIKE GOOD CHANCE YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS A BIT WEIRD . I DON'T WANT
> TO CALL YOU TOTALLY MENTALLY ILL YET.
Michael Halliwell - 24 Sep 2005 04:13 GMT
> IS GOING TO BE APPROVED FOR ASTHMA.? LOL  lololol  FOR THREE YEARS THIS CRAP
> HE POSTS WITH ONE STUDY OR TWO AND NOTHING EVER CAME OF IT. I ASKED FOR HIM
> TO POST ...OK LETS SAY 50 LINKS TO PRESENT DAY THEORY ON THIS CRAZINESS, .
> SO FAR WE GOT LONG WAIT HUH ROBERTS?  MENTAL ILLNESS ME? SEEMS LIKE GOOD
> CHANCE YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS A BIT WEIRD . I DON'T WANT TO CALL YOU TOTALLY
> MENTALLY ILL YET.

Ok...that's it....

Aren't you open minded enough to even consider that there could be
*MULTIPLE* causes for an illness like asthma? Yes, chemicals and
chemical sensitivities could be a cause..they can also be triggers that
result in a higher incidence of reporting.  Bacteria / biological
sources could also be a cause....heck, look at how many people have
mould as a trigger for their asthma.

The way you're going on, there is one and only one cause for cancer,
mental illness or all the other ails to humanity...all the man-made
pollution we are exposed to.  Has it ever occurred to you that every day
that we're alive were dying....whether by man-made chemicals or
naturally occuring ones?  Do you cook any food?  Benzo(a)pyrene is a
known carcinogen formed by heating organic matter....now that you know
that, are you going to chose not to eat so you don't get cancer or
asthma from your dinner?

If there is one thing that environmental engineering has taught me, it
is that nothing involving chemistry, biology, ecology and the human body
are as simple as a single answer or one point of view.

When you're open to constructive conversation rather than cap-locked
rants, perhaps people might take you a little more seriously.

Regards,

Michael H.
mcs - 24 Sep 2005 04:56 GMT
>> IS GOING TO BE APPROVED FOR ASTHMA.? LOL  lololol  FOR THREE YEARS THIS
>> CRAP HE POSTS WITH ONE STUDY OR TWO AND NOTHING EVER CAME OF IT. I ASKED
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Ok...that's it....
whats it? this is that or that is this you mean?  Yes thats it

> Aren't you open minded enough to even consider that there could be
> *MULTIPLE* causes for an illness like asthma? Yes, chemicals and chemical
> sensitivities could be a cause..they can also be triggers that result in a
> higher incidence of reporting.  Bacteria / biological sources could also
> be a cause....heck, look at how many people have mould as a trigger for
> their asthma.
Its possible but more likely pollution verified by hundreds of studies,  is
the culprit. Sure there are all kinds of triggers but pollution like I
alluded to before  is  what I believe is the overridign factor in making
much asthma worse. If the air is bad outside , its the same air that comes
indoors and make your indoor air even worse.Still , pollution is not a
common or very accepted explanation. to those who treat it or are suppose to
at least report on it because so little is still said about it  So I think
there is a conspiracy to keep the most important reasons  from the general
public and thus I post about it. Its obvious that many people don't like to
hear it which says to me that the people who want the control are bothered.
To the extent that people who agree or don't agree, or agree with me
sometimes but calls me mentally ill or incoherent, ( choose one or all of
them) respond to my posts is the degree I think how important it is. Dust ,
dust mites and and all sorts of triggers can cause asthma. Bacteria though
is not in my mind a major concern unless its connected to pollution or
unless studies back it up which I just know won't happen. Why? because some
of the biggest   things besides smoking  can be measured and verified by air
charts. the people who are sensitive to ozone or particulates are known
entitites . In fact many people can judge their reactions to the air by
going to their particular cities charts. Thats one of the reasons I post
about this also.  Some people realize by reading the air charts they might
be able to have a marked effect on how to react to daily fluctuations of air
pollutants by modifying behavior. I have yet to see enough conclusive
evidence  that  there is a way to judge if too much bacteria is present in
different conditions that are measurable so as to be able to promote  change
by cause and effect. and modifying changes of behavior . If bacteria is the
cause I would expect much more proof by now.  .
This is why I post about it. You hear everything but the real issues even on
a asthma group!
However I will post the links that I think are relevent. >
> The way you're going on, there is one and only one cause for cancer,
> mental illness or all the other ails to humanity...all the man-made
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> you going to chose not to eat so you don't get cancer or asthma from your
> dinner?

there are many things that promote changes in cell health .
Much of it is attributed to ones personal chosen  lifestyles. Pollution is
often forced upon people who don't have ways to escape it. In fact i think
if your going to give people money to rebuild from Katrina they ought to at
least pay for having people suffer from  policies of govt that are not the
fault of the people who get asthma. .

> If there is one thing that environmental engineering has taught me, it is
> that nothing involving chemistry, biology, ecology and the human body are
> as simple as a single answer or one point of view.

You guys interpret everything negative to just  pollution , not me . just
like you interpret what jobs I do or dont' have or what I do for my personal
conditions Have you ever asked me if I believed if other things conributed ?
In fact I have writen to magazines and suggest a way to kill bed mites
without having to wash sheets. I certainly don't post about everything that
I do believe or dont believe in But  I do think besides smoking and foods,
pollution is the biggest single cause of illness in many people in many
states .

> When you're open to constructive conversation rather than cap-locked
> rants, perhaps people might take you a little more seriously.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael H.

Oh I know people take me serious. The same concerns have shored up my stocks
, the very few that has risen.. Bushs numbers are way down. My doctor
believe whole heartily with me. A univerisity of Pa scholor agreed with me.
The links I gave should yu be so brave say way more then what I do or don't
think is true. . You might want also to get away with what I believe and
instead worry about who is making the pollution issue a viable one. Its not
me its the   Bushs . His numbers are going down and I hope they stay that
way. I . try not to rationalize by making things up ok?
Michael Halliwell - 25 Sep 2005 08:17 GMT
> Its possible but more likely pollution verified by hundreds of studies,  is
> the culprit. Sure there are all kinds of triggers but pollution like I
> alluded to before  is  what I believe is the overridign factor in making
> much asthma worse. If the air is bad outside , its the same air that comes
> indoors and make your indoor air even worse.

Wrong!  I did my master's level work in this area...Indoor air quality
is *WORSE* than outdoor....our study area included a significant urban
area downwind of numerous petrochemical plants. Our control area
(upwind) showed the same indoor vs outdoor issues (and indoor air
quality was by far of poorer quality than outdoor). Indoor air is more
polluted due to the "stuff" we bring into it and the design/lack of air
exchange in modern houses.

Still , pollution is not a
> common or very accepted explanation. to those who treat it or are suppose to
> at least report on it because so little is still said about it  So I think
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> charts. the people who are sensitive to ozone or particulates are known
> entitites .

The sampling for airborne or other microbials is a much more difficult
process than sampling for ozone, dust (particulates), or other chemical
compounds...I know, as this is in the field of my expertise.
Besides....people see a cooling tower belching out a white cloud at a
factory, they don't say "look at the steam" they say "Look at the
pollution!"  There is mounting ancedotal evidence to suggest that
microbials may also be a cause....but the funding for such studies, and
the running of such studies, will take time.  The links with ozone,
dust, etc didn't get researched overnight....neither will the
possibility of a microbial connection. If there aren't piles of studies
out there (and so far, I haven't seen many on either side) it strongly
suggests that the research *has not been done yet.*

 In fact many people can judge their reactions to the air by
> going to their particular cities charts. Thats one of the reasons I post
> about this also.  Some people realize by reading the air charts they might
> be able to have a marked effect on how to react to daily fluctuations of air
> pollutants by modifying behavior.

Is it not also possible to have a psychological response to the
information?  Oh, the air forcast is bad, so I'm going to have a bad
day...and it happens?  If someone is stressed about the air quality, is
it the air or the stress triggering the attack?

I have yet to see enough conclusive
> evidence  that  there is a way to judge if too much bacteria is present in
> different conditions that are measurable so as to be able to promote  change
> by cause and effect. and modifying changes of behavior . If bacteria is the
> cause I would expect much more proof by now.  .

See above

> You guys interpret everything negative to just  pollution , not me . just
> like you interpret what jobs I do or dont' have or what I do for my personal
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> pollution is the biggest single cause of illness in many people in many
> states .

The problem is the proof of cause and effect....does it *cause* asthma
to develop, or is it a trigger leading to higer reporting and therefore
an associative link to the illness?  You haven't stated where your proof
of the *cause* is.  There is a very stunning difference between a
trigger increasing the frequency/severity of attacks vs. being the cause
of the disease.

It is logical for people to want to reduce pollution....it's a worthy
goal.  I just don't think that medical science has advanced to the point
to be able to pinpoint a single cause for asthma....if it had, we'd be
working on a cure, not treatments.

> Oh I know people take me serious. The same concerns have shored up my stocks
> , the very few that has risen.. Bushs numbers are way down. My doctor
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> me its the   Bushs . His numbers are going down and I hope they stay that
> way. I . try not to rationalize by making things up ok?

I'm sure some do...but perhaps it is the engineer in me that makes me
wish to remain objective and analyze things before I put my faith in
them.  If pollution is the problem, tnen Bush is not the biggest monster
and shouldn't be target #1.  China's pollution output is higher than the
US, continues to grow and I don't see their domestic policy changing to
address environmental concerns any time in the near future.

If you wish to make your political leader a target, I suppose you have
that right. But why, as a Canadian, should I hear about your political
stripes on a newsgroup dedicated to a medical condition?  I don't care
if you are pro- or anti-Bush and if his numbers are up or down.  I don't
come to this group for that reason.

Rgards,

Michael Halliwell
mcs - 25 Sep 2005 10:22 GMT
>> Its possible but more likely pollution verified by hundreds of studies,
>> is the culprit. Sure there are all kinds of triggers but pollution like I
>> alluded to before  is  what I believe is the overridign factor in making
>> much asthma worse. If the air is bad outside , its the same air that
>> comes indoors and make your indoor air even worse.

> Wrong!  I did my master's level work in this area...Indoor air quality is
> *WORSE* than outdoor....our study area included a significant urban area
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> the "stuff" we bring into it and the design/lack of air exchange in modern
> houses.

Did I say indoor air wasn't worse.?????  Did I?  I said pollution was among
the top reasons that causes respiratory conditions or asthma where I live at
least. Ultimately if you add the pollution for warning level days into a
home you have even more pollution in the home then you would if the air
coming into home was clean.As soon as particulate rates rise to moderate,
like clockwork I need asthma meds in the home. If I go out I need asthma
meds.

> Still , pollution is not a
>> common or very accepted explanation. to those who treat it or are suppose
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> far, I haven't seen many on either side) it strongly suggests that the
> research *has not been done yet.*

UMMM , have you read the links I just posted ? If microbes are in the
pollution or not, does it matter?  Do you think its more feasible to fight
asthma with anti microbes or not pollute to begin with?

>  In fact many people can judge their reactions to the air by
>> going to their particular cities charts. Thats one of the reasons I post
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> day...and it happens?  If someone is stressed about the air quality, is it
> the air or the stress triggering the attack?

Or get this they know about it and they don't exert themselves too much and
they fight to change their air in their community!!!!!

> I have yet to see enough conclusive
>> evidence  that  there is a way to judge if too much bacteria is present
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> See above
Michael Halliwell - 25 Sep 2005 22:25 GMT
>>>Its possible but more likely pollution verified by hundreds of studies,
>>>is the culprit. Sure there are all kinds of triggers but pollution like I
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> like clockwork I need asthma meds in the home. If I go out I need asthma
> meds.

You certainly implied it....it is hard to make bad air worse by adding
better quality air to it.

Michael Halliwell
NorthShoreCEO - 25 Sep 2005 13:16 GMT
> The problem is the proof of cause and effect....does it *cause*
> asthma to develop, or is it a trigger leading to higer
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> frequency/severity of attacks vs. being the cause of the
> disease.

Try and understand the mind of a simpleton.  "A lot of people
have asthma attacks when they're near cats, therefore, cats cause
asthma."
Alison Chaiken - 25 Sep 2005 18:12 GMT
> Indoor air quality is *WORSE* than outdoor. . . . Indoor air is more
> polluted due to the "stuff" we bring into it and the design/lack of
> air exchange in modern houses.

Is there any practical way for folks to routinely monitor their own
indoor quality?  It would be interesting to see how much effect
vacuum-cleaning has versus forced-air heat, for example.  If we had a
way to monitor our indoor air quality, that would give us an incentive
to improve it.  The only air quality monitor we possess now is our
smoke detector, and that is an indication that quality is very poor!

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Michael Halliwell - 25 Sep 2005 22:24 GMT
>>Indoor air quality is *WORSE* than outdoor. . . . Indoor air is more
>>polluted due to the "stuff" we bring into it and the design/lack of
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> to improve it.  The only air quality monitor we possess now is our
> smoke detector, and that is an indication that quality is very poor!

There are ways to, but generally it is too expesive for the private
individual to do.  Forced air heat (vs. electric baseboard heating),
lots of new stuff (carpet, furniture etc), having an attached garage (0r
worse, having living areas over an attached garage), storing of
chemicals and solvents in the house, and today's ultra high efficiency
(low air exchange) houses etc. all contribute to poor indoor air quality.

If you have any specific concerns, I can most certainly share with you
what I know.

Michael Halliwell
NorthShoreCEO - 24 Sep 2005 11:36 GMT
>> IS GOING TO BE APPROVED FOR ASTHMA.? LOL  lololol  FOR THREE
>> YEARS THIS CRAP HE POSTS WITH ONE STUDY OR TWO AND NOTHING
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
>
> Michael H.

Well said, Michael, but you're dealing with a madman who can't
even tell the difference between ARoberts and myself.  I'M the
one who has been posting the most about bacteria being one of the
causes of asthma, since that was the case with me.  After
explaining this in one post, and directing him to read studies
posted at www.asthmastory.com, he refused to read anything about
it and came back with, "I don't buy it".

He's escalated his posting and his incoherent rants are
indicative of someone who isn't quite balanced.  I'm starting to
think asthma is the least of his conditions.  Maybe if we all
killfile or ignore him, the attention he stops getting will calm
him down.
mcs - 24 Sep 2005 13:35 GMT
Oh its you, and not Roberts. So you both believe it or not believe it ?  lol
So the argument about pollution being more important is again mitigated
because I can't tell the bobbsy twins from each other?

>>> IS GOING TO BE APPROVED FOR ASTHMA.? LOL  lololol  FOR THREE YEARS THIS
>>> CRAP HE POSTS WITH ONE STUDY OR TWO AND NOTHING EVER CAME OF IT. I ASKED
[quoted text clipped - 43 lines]
> least of his conditions.  Maybe if we all killfile or ignore him, the
> attention he stops getting will calm him down.
ARoberts - 24 Sep 2005 16:32 GMT
> Oh its you, and not Roberts. So you both believe it or not believe it ?
> lol
> So the argument about pollution being more important is again mitigated
> because I can't tell the bobbsy twins from each other?

It just demonstrates that you are flailing in the dark as usual, and are
without a clue.
Nancy - 26 Sep 2005 04:30 GMT
Do you EVER shut up??  Ever?? Do you rant about pollution in your
freaking sleep???

Give it UP.  We DONT believe you.  I've been a freaking asthmatic since
I was three.  George W. was not the freaking president.  It isn't the
damn pollution.  SHUT UP.  I can't even freaking killfile you because
everyone keeps reposting this lame a.s crap you write.  STOP already.

Where the hell is Colin??

Life is uncertain.........eat dessert first!!

Nancy
8=: )

> Oh its you, and not Roberts. So you both believe it or not believe it ?  lol
> So the argument about pollution being more important is again mitigated
[quoted text clipped - 47 lines]
>>least of his conditions.  Maybe if we all killfile or ignore him, the
>>attention he stops getting will calm him down.
aroberts - 26 Sep 2005 17:29 GMT
>Do you EVER shut up??  Ever?? Do you rant about pollution in your
>freaking sleep???

>Give it UP.  We DONT believe you.  I've been a freaking asthmatic since
>I was three.  George W. was not the freaking president.  It isn't the
>damn pollution.  SHUT UP.  I can't even freaking killfile you because
>everyone keeps reposting this lame a.s crap you write.  STOP already.

>Where the hell is Colin??

Nancy
8=: )

Wherever he is, I hope that he is safe.  Interesting that you should
mention him; he was having a similar exchange with mcs last year.  You
will recall that mcs claimed that Colin didn't really have asthma (!)
NorthShoreCEO - 27 Sep 2005 21:41 GMT
> Do you EVER shut up??  Ever?? Do you rant about pollution in
> your freaking sleep???
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Nancy
> 8=: )

What do you expect Colin to do that others here aren't already
doing?
Nancy - 28 Sep 2005 04:42 GMT
>>Do you EVER shut up??  Ever?? Do you rant about pollution in
>>your freaking sleep???
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> What do you expect Colin to do that others here aren't already
> doing?

I have absolutely no idea.  Maybe it's just that I miss him, and his
bullshit barometer.  He also has a very elegant way of crushing morons
like this one.  Or maybe it's just that this moron is driving me nuts.
Or maybe it's the pollution that's making me nuts.  Yeah, thats it, not
only does the pollution cause asthma, it causes insanity!  And maybe
arthritis!  The possibilities are endless!

Yeah, it's just that this loser is driving me nuts.

Life is uncertain.........eat dessert first!!

Nancy
8=: )
mcs - 24 Sep 2005 17:27 GMT
yeah all those posts you have on your site sure proves that  Mike ,Roberts ?
Try schizo meds .Lets see 15 to 20 million asthma sufferers and the guy has
one or two studies some from not even doctors and his message boards are
full of what ten people? Yeah I think we got long wait before Doc and
Roberts and Mike are going anywhere soon. Expect them to be right here in
ten years upset someone is posting about Bush or pollution and is it any
wonder.

>>> IS GOING TO BE APPROVED FOR ASTHMA.? LOL  lololol  FOR THREE YEARS THIS
>>> CRAP HE POSTS WITH ONE STUDY OR TWO AND NOTHING EVER CAME OF IT. I ASKED
[quoted text clipped - 43 lines]
> least of his conditions.  Maybe if we all killfile or ignore him, the
> attention he stops getting will calm him down.
mcs - 25 Sep 2005 10:12 GMT
So North Shore, your the person who made the site. Its a new day, are you
going to change your website again today?

>>> IS GOING TO BE APPROVED FOR ASTHMA.? LOL  lololol  FOR THREE YEARS THIS
>>> CRAP HE POSTS WITH ONE STUDY OR TWO AND NOTHING EVER CAME OF IT. I ASKED
[quoted text clipped - 43 lines]
> least of his conditions.  Maybe if we all killfile or ignore him, the
> attention he stops getting will calm him down.
NorthShoreCEO - 25 Sep 2005 13:21 GMT
> So North Shore, your the person who made the site. Its a new
> day, are you going to change your website again today?

If you had read my responses to you in the past, you would know
that I am not the owner of the site.  I've never even met the
man, nor have I talked to him over the phone.

If you had read my responses to you in the past, you would know
there are NUMEROUS medical studies posted on the site that
confirm bacteria is ONE of the CAUSES of asthma in people, and
that in MANY cases, a twelve week round of antibiotics can either
IMPROVE one's asthma or COMPLETELY ERADICATE it.

R E A D   T H A T   A G A I N   R E A L L Y   S L O W L Y   A N D
A S K   A N   A D U L T   T O   H E L P  Y O U  T O   U N D E R S
T A N D.
ARoberts - 24 Sep 2005 13:05 GMT
>> IS GOING TO BE APPROVED FOR ASTHMA.? LOL  lololol  FOR THREE YEARS THIS
>> CRAP HE POSTS WITH ONE STUDY OR TWO AND NOTHING EVER CAME OF IT. I ASKED
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
>
> Michael H.

I agree.  Asthma appears to be a common expression of any one or a
combination of multiple causes--allergens, pollutants, bacteria, chemical
sensitivities, etc.  Everyone's physiology is different, and it is not
rational to believe that there is a magic answer in one disease model only.

I have seen the studies that support antibiotic treatment in selected cases
of asthma, and am familiar with those who have had dramatic success with it.
I started on this treatment two weeks ago (I had tried it once before, but
the treatment was interrupted), so it remains to be seen if it will work for
me.  mcs mistakenly believes that I am a major proponent of this mode of
treatment because I have provided references to studies for it, and
acknowledge it as one of many possibilities in the treatment of asthma.

mcs is a prolific mission poster whose main impetus seems to be a hatred for
George Bush (do a Google--it's quite revealing if only for appreciating the
sheer volume and obsession of it), and this has found expression in several
forms, pollution being one of them.
mcs - 24 Sep 2005 13:51 GMT
>>> IS GOING TO BE APPROVED FOR ASTHMA.? LOL  lololol  FOR THREE YEARS THIS
>>> CRAP HE POSTS WITH ONE STUDY OR TWO AND NOTHING EVER CAME OF IT. I ASKED
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
> rational to believe that there is a magic answer in one disease model
> only.

Not one time did I say magical or only but to you dweebs It is. You guys
like to not think some are able  to determine the same things you can and
more. I think pollution the main cause of asthma for many people who might
not have thought about the pollution factor before. Thus we have companies
that are billion dollar industries changing DUH? Not because of bacteria
mind you but because of cleaner energy and hopefully less expensive. I think
its kind of strange who is calling people mentally ill  Since I feel the
associations between air pollution and asthma and respiratory condition are
more emphatic, proven by demographics most of the time, I think its  way
more important to get those messages out there then about two people who
agree with each other about Bacteria . But I am not stopping you from
posting about it. Anything is possible

> I have seen the studies that support antibiotic treatment in selected
> cases of asthma, and am familiar with those who have had dramatic success
> with it.
Who? Exactly?  show me case studies of thousands of people or lets say only
five hundred?

> I started on this treatment two weeks ago (I had tried it once before, but
> the treatment was interrupted),
Ok thanks for the prenuptials

so it remains to be seen if it will work for
> me.  mcs mistakenly believes that I am a major proponent of this mode of
> treatment because I have provided references to studies for it, and
> acknowledge it as one of many possibilities in the treatment of asthma.
Um proponet , you  or Roberts ? Nah,why would I possibly think that?  but I
would start some experimentation with things I may not believe with anyway

> mcs is a prolific mission poster whose main impetus seems to be a hatred
> for George Bush (do a Google--it's quite revealing if only for
> appreciating the sheer volume and obsession of it), and this has found
> expression in several forms, pollution being one of them.

YOU GOT the hatred for Bush right.
I hate AN ADMINISTRATION REPRESENTING BIG OIL WHO NOT ONLY PROFITS ON
PEOPLES DEPENDENCY WITH RECORD EARNINGS BUT ALSO ADVOCATES RULES  TO HELP
POLLUTERS FROM ENERGY ,  MAKE SICK THE SAME PEOPLE AND MAKE THEM PAY FOR IT
AT THE SAME TIME.
people being poisoned without much choice and that is exactly what is
happening and when the guy guts rules for polluters despite all the links ,
I think its way more sane to hate Bush then to believe in bacteria for
asthma.
ARoberts - 24 Sep 2005 16:36 GMT
> I think its way more sane to hate Bush then to believe in bacteria for
> asthma.

This is the most telling and salient point of the entire post.

What a loser.
mcs - 24 Sep 2005 17:07 GMT
>> I think its way more sane to hate Bush then to believe in bacteria for
>> asthma.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>done more people are going to lose years of life or WAIT  ROBERTS you
>didn't read that LINK . LOSER
ARoberts - 24 Sep 2005 17:15 GMT
>>> I think its way more sane to hate Bush then to believe in bacteria for
>>> asthma.
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>>done more people are going to lose years of life or WAIT  ROBERTS you
>>didn't read that LINK . LOSER

And look at what you're doing about it.  Writing to a newsgroup. You don't
want to really do anything about it; you just want to pretend to care about
it in print.  Have you noticed that nobody's buying it?
mcs - 24 Sep 2005 17:39 GMT
Nobody buying my stocks? and I posted about this stock long time ago.. look
which energy stock I got. You not buying it and ten like you or twenty who
smoke and gossip about one and another. Read the links to pollution and
worry why policies are killing people not why people who try to get the
message out are not CEOs of bogus asthma web sites LOSER.

>>>> I think its way more sane to hate Bush then to believe in bacteria for
>>>> asthma.
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> want to really do anything about it; you just want to pretend to care
> about it in print.  Have you noticed that nobody's buying it?
ARoberts - 24 Sep 2005 22:14 GMT
> Nobody buying my stocks? and I posted about this stock long time ago..
> look which energy stock I got. You not buying it and ten like you or
> twenty who smoke and gossip about one and another. Read the links to
> pollution and worry why policies are killing people not why people who try
> to get the message out are not CEOs of bogus asthma web sites LOSER.

Let's see.  You live at home with mommy and daddy, have no job or prospects
for one, and are doing nothing meaningful with your life, then whine like a
simpering little suckling.  You obviously have never devoted any effort to
educating yourself; you express yourself like a first-grader, with the
attitude of a junior high punk.  You are a parasite on society and your
(probably long-suffering) parents.  That is the prime definition of a loser.
Your incoherence and misinformation are colossal:  You believe that
NorthShoreCEO is CEO of the referenced asthma website??  No wonder you can't
understand anything:  you have no reading comprehension.  But thanks for
this contribution to the important issue of air pollution; posting here is
sure to make a difference. As you have noticed, everyone here has such
respect for you (as well as the responses that you have received on other
newsgroups where you are equally admired).
mcs - 25 Sep 2005 00:18 GMT
there is nothing like a fraud to get people into believing 50 percent of
asthma could be ( not improved ) but cured to set the record straight right
Roberts. You ready to prove that 50 percent cure rate? I didn't think so
coward. As for jobs, your innuedos about what my personal life is about has
absolutely nothing to do with what helps asthma except when your too
insecure to back up anything worthwhile . In fact be a fraud is way worse
giving false hope to people who probably don't have a chance in hell to be
cured by idiots like you.

>> Nobody buying my stocks? and I posted about this stock long time ago..
>> look which energy stock I got. You not buying it and ten like you or
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> noticed, everyone here has such respect for you (as well as the responses
> that you have received on other newsgroups where you are equally admired).
ARoberts - 25 Sep 2005 00:37 GMT
> there is nothing like a fraud to get people into believing 50 percent of
> asthma could be ( not improved ) but cured to set the record straight
> right Roberts. You ready to prove that 50 percent cure rate? I didn't
> think so coward.

Provide any post where I have ever made that claim.  Let's see if you can do
it.

>As for jobs, your innuedos about what my personal life is about has
>absolutely nothing to do with what helps asthma except when your too
>insecure to back up anything worthwhile .

Those weren't innuendos.  Those were straightforward statements. Just to be
clear:  You are a loser who lives off other people.
mcs - 25 Sep 2005 01:01 GMT
Ooops all of a sudden that link in that website you or CEO promote ( look I
am not going to give you the pleasure of promoting it) is missing. Boy How
could that have happened? It probably will reappear soon right ? LOLOL what
a joke unbelievable.   And your worried about my personal life. Wooow do
wonders ever cease to exist?

>> there is nothing like a fraud to get people into believing 50 percent of
>> asthma could be ( not improved ) but cured to set the record straight
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> Those weren't innuendos.  Those were straightforward statements. Just to
> be clear:  You are a loser who lives off other people.
ARoberts - 25 Sep 2005 01:26 GMT
> Ooops all of a sudden that link in that website you or CEO promote ( look
> I am not going to give you the pleasure of promoting it) is missing. Boy
> How could that have happened? It probably will reappear soon right ? LOLOL
> what a joke unbelievable.   And your worried about my personal life. Wooow
> do wonders ever cease to exist?

Are you really this stupid?  Do mommy and daddy have to dress you and wipe
you too?  I asked for any post that I personally have made that claims _any_
cure rate for antibiotics and asthma.  You can't do it, and you are making
lame (what a surprise) excuses.  You keep trying to connect me to a website
with which I have zero connection.  You may think that it is convenient for
you as a straw man, but all it is doing is showing you for the incompetent
liar that you are.

>>> there is nothing like a fraud to get people into believing 50 percent of
>>> asthma could be ( not improved ) but cured to set the record straight
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>> Those weren't innuendos.  Those were straightforward statements. Just to
>> be clear:  You are a loser who lives off other people.
mcs - 25 Sep 2005 01:33 GMT
Let us know how the meds are doing Roberts since you have no connection to
CEO or website ok? Wink wink.
No connection as in making it, no connection with guy who promoted it , no
connection in taking his advice?

>> there is nothing like a fraud to get people into believing 50 percent of
>> asthma could be ( not improved ) but cured to set the record straight
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Those weren't innuendos.  Those were straightforward statements. Just to
> be clear:  You are a loser who lives off other people.
ARoberts - 25 Sep 2005 03:47 GMT
> Let us know how the meds are doing Roberts since you have no connection to
> CEO or website ok? Wink wink.
> No connection as in making it, no connection with guy who promoted it , no
> connection in taking his advice?

No connection.  None.  Since you were hoping for a conspiracy, maybe it's
George Bush.  Look into it, paranoid boy.

>>> there is nothing like a fraud to get people into believing 50 percent of
>>> asthma could be ( not improved ) but cured to set the record straight
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>> Those weren't innuendos.  Those were straightforward statements. Just to
>> be clear:  You are a loser who lives off other people.
00doc - 25 Sep 2005 18:29 GMT
> Let us know how the meds are doing Roberts since you have no connection to
> CEO or website ok? Wink wink.

You are really making a fool of yourself. The owner of the website (who
dientifies himself plainly on the website btw) used tobe a regular poster
here. All the long time regulars know who he is. If you had actually gone to
the site you would too. He is not Roberts or NSCEO (or me before you go
there).

By the way - I just checked  - the site is up and running just fine.

In the mean time try to learn the meaning of the words before you use them.
Either that or just remain silent and only thought a fool.

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mcs - 24 Sep 2005 10:32 GMT
more on this. Car manufacturers are not making hybreds simply because of
cost of gasoline.The car companies are doing it  because it also contributes
to cleaner environment. State lawyers in New Jersey and other states are
suing polluters or trying to inspite of Bush passing legislation that you
can't sue them. Why you think Bush helped pass that legistlation if
pollution wasn't a problem?  Because bacteria was the main culprit?
I don't think so
The problem is there is a giant difference between those affected by
pollution and those that don't. Many people who are not affected by
pollution may never see the percentage of commercials I have seen for meds
to treat illness , cancers and asthma . Just like this summer being the
worse I have ever seen for number of days with high pollution , it was
followed up with the highest percentage of commercials on tv I have ever
seen for cancer clinics , heart institutes, asthma drugs and allergy pills.
I see very little dollars being made promoting anti bacteria meds although
if it becomes viable I am sure they will hype that. I think though we got
long wait.
When American Cancer Association rates our environment  as F, for percentage
of cancers and American Lung Association rates our air F that should be
enough of a stimuli to promote faster changes in govt policies so people
don't need to medicate themselves all day. When govt doesn't do that, its no
surprise that the word conspiracy comes into play. When reporters worry
about an abuse case in Iraq but not 20 million people with asthma and
growing. I certainly do think there is a conspiracy. .
> IS GOING TO BE APPROVED FOR ASTHMA.? LOL  lololol  FOR THREE YEARS THIS
> CRAP HE POSTS WITH ONE STUDY OR TWO AND NOTHING EVER CAME OF IT. I ASKED
> FOR HIM TO POST ...OK LETS SAY 50 LINKS TO PRESENT DAY THEORY ON THIS
> CRAZINESS, . SO FAR WE GOT LONG WAIT HUH ROBERTS?  MENTAL ILLNESS ME?
> SEEMS LIKE GOOD CHANCE YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS A BIT WEIRD . I DON'T WANT
> TO CALL YOU TOTALLY MENTALLY ILL YET.
 
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