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fattdonuts - 12 Sep 2005 04:10 GMT
I was looking up informaiton on asthma but i didn't quite find the
right information to answer the questions i have about asthma. My
girlfriend has asthma. She won't really talk to me about it. The only
thing she'll say is that it effects her with her breathing, but she
claims it's not that important and we don't need to talk about it..
With everything that we do it hasn't seemed to really get in the way of
the activities we participate in. She seems to be fine and healthy for
the most part. When it comes to us and sex it's another thing... We've
tried to have sex and we don't get very far before she starts saying
she can't breath and runs out the doors and later tells me it's her
asthma that's causing it. I'm really concerned. I would like to be able
to understand what's going on, but again she does not like to talk
about it. Does asthma interfere with a lot of people's sex lives? How
can i avoid her having asthma issues while we're being intimate? If
anyone could give me their insight on this matter i would be very
appreciative. Thanks.
Teri M - 12 Sep 2005 14:24 GMT
HEllo!!  well your girlfriend probably doesnt wanna talk about it, cause her
asthma does interfere with her daily life, and its frustrating to her.  I
have severe asthma and i gotta say, it does interfere with the intimate , sex
stuff.  not always, but often.  I always try to take my meds before hand,
maybe she isnt cause she is embarrased about the asthma, and doesnt wanna
take the meds in front of you??  just a guess.  asthma can be very
inconvenient and troublesome!!  what medications is she on,? maybe she needs
to check with her doctor to  make sure its controlled properly.  Bear with
her, and support her, asthma can be a real pain in the butt!!!
>I was looking up informaiton on asthma but i didn't quite find the
>right information to answer the questions i have about asthma. My
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>anyone could give me their insight on this matter i would be very
>appreciative. Thanks.
Bob - 12 Sep 2005 14:51 GMT
>I was looking up informaiton on asthma but i didn't quite find the
>right information to answer the questions i have about asthma. My
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>anyone could give me their insight on this matter i would be very
>appreciative. Thanks.

It sounds like your girlfriend isn't really ready to be intimate.  My
advice would be to develop trust in your relationship to the point
where she can talk about it.  Then have the discussion about how well
her asthma is being controlled.  There may be other issues as well,
such as the length of your relationship and both your past histories,
etc.  Time and devotion will bring you closer to the intimacy you
seek.
Teri M - 12 Sep 2005 15:29 GMT
Bob, well said!!!!  Depending on how close you guys are and how serious the
relationship can play a big factor in her not wanting to share her asthma
problems with you.

>>I was looking up informaiton on asthma but i didn't quite find the
>>right information to answer the questions i have about asthma. My
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>etc.  Time and devotion will bring you closer to the intimacy you
>seek.
Merlin - 12 Sep 2005 23:57 GMT
G'day Fattdonuts, I had to laugh when I read your account.
Over the years, apart from my own experience I have worked with at
least a half-dozen couples with this exact same kind of problem, it is
more common than you might imagine.
More often, one of the participants smother themself with scents of one
kind or another in places where they think or hope the other might
venture in one form or another for whatever reason.
The inciddence of a major event commonly ends up as an ER adventure and
a real lesson in life problems for one or the other.

Often when the situation is carefully examined, it becomes obvious that
more is involved than originally apparent.
The subject is usually a hard working and dilligent, decent kind of
person, has had asthma for considerable years, is not used to late
nights and really needs regular rest. If this is coupled with a few
alchoholic drinks, some food which may be different to their normal
kind of diet and some extra exercise such as a dance or whatever, then
apply the emotive factor, you can appreciate a primed situation of
heightened asthmatic possibility.
Now add the last ingredient of chemical effect from the anti-perspirant
and it is little wonder that an attack happens.
One identical circumstance actually ended in the death of a young man,
farmer, worked hard, played hard, just about to turn twentyone, going
home in his utility, long drive after a long night out, severe
asthmatic attack, you can imagine the rest of this tragic story so
please take the utmost care.

You must understand that your poor girl is most likely chemically
sensitive, most likely to one of your plastered scents, most likely a
chemical in your antiperspirant. She most likely would also be wearing
similar substances but probably a much less strength type learned from
previous experience. The combined concentration in a close situation is
obviously too much for her.
This being the case there will be a significant amount of other
sensitivity possibilities which will be problematic for the rest of her
life and which she most likely has already experienced.

So now let us consider the real circumstance here, she obviously has a
sensitivity that is being affected by the peripheral critereon, so it
is likely that this is going to be a life long problem for her and will
also have further repercussions for you if your intention is to remain
together, which is demonstrated by your querying post. Any children
from the union may also be susceptible if this is going to be a lasting
relationship these implications need to be understood.

Decide if you are going to continue with this liasion and any long term
consequences, consider the probable causes, is it worthwhile, check-out
the mother, the body format usually continues mother to daughter,
remember the dragon syndrome begins at marriage, is she worth the chase
given the future possible problems?

One young man really was smitten with the "in the cot" abilities of his
new girlfriend, she really became active after the first few minutes of
the union, clawing and tearing at his bared flesh, virtually frothing
at the mouth!! What a session!!!
It was later after she had collapsed beneath him that he called the ER
and discovered she had a severe asthmatic event, she was unable to
speak and had been trying to get away to get a breath, somewhat a
misinterpretation of body signals.

Maybe you are too well endowed and are scaring her, maybe the asthma is
being used as an excuse to avoid pain and suffering.

You will find that wearing no antiperspirants whatsoever will work
wonders, after your shower liberally plaster your under-arm areas with
"Isocol" (the scented alchohol) this will reduce bacterea which
produces body orour, and then ensure you wear a close fitting t-shirt
as an undergarment, this further helps to avoid body odour. The scent
from this product is clear.
Just these simple steps will produce enormous improvement in your
relationship, to be safe you might suggest she does the same.
Avoid getting this stuff in the crotch, it can really make you walk on
air.

If you manage to get her in the cot, ensure the area is clear air, no
chemical scents and the bedding is clear of aromatic scents from fabric
softeners etc.

By the way I was a chronic asthmatic it runs in my family, my current
wife's family also has a history of severe asthmatic problems, the
genetic problem has always existed for us, but understanding and
avoiding substances and circumstances has allowed normal lives for us
and our children, my problem is now instilling suitable intelligence
into our children's partners to ensure our grandchildren remain clear.
So you see there is more involved than might be initially apparent.

Best of luck, cheers, Merlin.
ARoberts - 13 Sep 2005 12:09 GMT
> G'day Fattdonuts, I had to laugh when I read your account.
> Over the years, apart from my own experience I have worked with at
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> Best of luck, cheers, Merlin.

Thanks Merlin--it's great that you didn't respond verbosely and with  non
sequiturs.
jackmallory@webtv.net - 14 Sep 2005 14:21 GMT
For underarms try Milk of Magnesia.  Yes, the same thing you might
swallow if you needed to go.   My Columbian friend from Cali turned me
on to that.

And the younger apothecary said
"Gee that  i s   pharmacologically sound,"
although the older pill-pusher showed chagrin.

Jack
connie - 15 Sep 2005 06:37 GMT
> Thanks Merlin--it's great that you didn't respond verbosely and with  non
> sequiturs.

I love reading Merlin's posts!
ARoberts - 15 Sep 2005 13:25 GMT
>> Thanks Merlin--it's great that you didn't respond verbosely and with  non
>> sequiturs.
>
> I love reading Merlin's posts!

Merlin's a good guy and very colorful--I just like chiding him once in a
while for going on a bit.
Brad_Chad - 13 Sep 2005 09:45 GMT
I used to have an asthma problem but a naturopathic doctor helped me
find out which food sensitivities were triggering my asthma. I got rid
of my asthma, eczema, and hayfever in one shot. Hayfever can be
triggered by a combination of airborne and food allergens.

Brad_Chad
Merlin - 15 Sep 2005 02:46 GMT
G'day Brad & Jack, I think you might agree with me that collected
intelligence, and commonsense is the best general approach with these
respiratory / allergy problems, it is usually not all that hard to
overcome the severity of the problem and live quite normally without
the need for any medication.
The key to maintaining clarity is trying to avoid problem substances
therever after.
It is quite amazing how simple things often are the key to well-being.

That is a new one Jack, I hadn't heard of it before.

How much of a change do you reckon your wellness made to your life
Brad, I imagine you get classed as a bit parranoic from time to time.

I regularly have to tell people wearing strong scents to leave my
doorstep, I really have no time for these kinds of inconsiderate
dickwits!

Nice to meet you chaps.

Cheers, Merlin.
Brad_Chad - 15 Sep 2005 05:03 GMT
> How much of a change do you reckon your wellness made to your life
> Brad, I imagine you get classed as a bit parranoic from time to time.

    I don't really understand why anybody would call me paranoid. I'm
only trying to help people. Searching for your food sensitivities
doesn't involve any medication, and it only takes a few days.

    The change this has had on my health has been dramatic. I never
have asthma attacks anymore. My eczema is gone. My hayfever is gone
because food allergies AND airborne allergies (pollen, ragweed) were
triggering my hayfever. My energy level skyrocketed. My joint pain is
gone, and my skin looks healthier.

    This doesn't work for everyone. Some people will only have mild
improvement in their health. Some people will have major improvement,
and some people won't have anything happen at all. You don't know until
you try. Talk to a naturopathic doctor about it, or an alternative
doctor (Hidden(Delayed) Food Allergies).

Brad_Chad
Alison Chaiken - 15 Sep 2005 04:17 GMT
> My girlfriend has asthma. She won't really talk to me about it.

My wild guess is that she isn't following her prescribed treatment
regimen and doesn't want to admit it.  If she tells you, who cares
about her, what lifestyle parameters and treatments she's supposed to
be following, you will likely insist that she comply.  That would
explain why her asthma is a more sensitive topic than sex.

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Peter Kolb - 17 Sep 2005 10:39 GMT
Your girlfriend won't get asthma attacks during sex if she stops
hyperventilating.

Get her to breathe like she does during sex and you'll see she'll get
an asthma attack.  

Asthmatics are chronic hyperventilators.  That needs to be qualified
in cases of severe airway damage.   It is possible to reverse chronic
hyperventilation with certain forms of yoga, meditation, and
particularly with the Buteyko method.

Peter Kolb
Biomedical Engineer
pkolb@wt.com.au

>I was looking up informaiton on asthma but i didn't quite find the
>right information to answer the questions i have about asthma. My
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>anyone could give me their insight on this matter i would be very
>appreciative. Thanks.

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