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NV - 29 Aug 2005 19:51 GMT
Hi, everyone.

I'm kind of at my wit's end with asthma right now. I've had it since I
was young, on some kind of precentative on and off for years, but
really it was manageable with the rescue inhaler (once before working
out and once at night). My ashtma would get bad sometimes if I
vaccuumed or was in a different climate or around new pets, but never
so bad that the albuterol didn't work at all. Recently, my asthma has
been BAD - I mean waking up in the middle of the night every night for
the last two weeks totally unable to breath and the albuterol doesn't
work at all.

My health insurance is a nightmare so of course I can't get an
appointment with a specialist for at least two weeks (and this is after
a week of trying to get a referral). So I have been self-medicating and
I'm sure some of this is my own fault.

Here's the long and convoluted back story, and I'd appreciate any
advice on what to do while I wait for a doctor to see me (I don't want
to end up in the emergency room!)

About two months ago I came back from an international flight and got a
bad sinus infection (I could not smell for about a month). I finally
went to the doctor because my asthma was getting worse (probably
because I could not smell and ended up spending more time than I would
in around people smoking). But it was still not so bad that my
albuterol completely stopped being effective. She prescribed an
antibiotic (which worked immediately) and prednisone at a tapered dose
to take once a day. This is where all the problems started. The
prednisone would wear off at night and I would get a horrible attack
(and I never get attacks regularly). So I would have to take it at
night too. Finally I started taking it twice a day and taking my
flovent more often and tapered off. This coincided with a trip to the
east coast. Somehow, the humidity there agrees with me better than
where I live (desert socal). So my asthma was fine and I was
prednisone-free until I came back from the east coast two weeks ago.

Now I do have two cats, and my allergies to them do get worse the first
couple of days back from a trip, but never like this. I have banished
them from the bedroom, washed all of my blankets and sheets, and still
every night I have horrible asthma attacks. The only way to sleep
through the night is to take a sleeping pill, which i hate to do. I
have been taking 10mg of prednisone in the morning and 10 at night for
about a week now but with no effect.

Sorry for this novel, but there's one other thing and that is I
switched from flovent to advair right about the time I got back home
two weeks ago. Could all of this just be because of the advair? Should
I switch back to Flovent? Should I up my prednisone (which really
scares me b/c prednisone started this whole mess)?

Any help or advice would be appreciated.

Thanks,
NV
BIG A - 30 Aug 2005 17:21 GMT
Hi NV,

It sounds like you might need sinus surgery.  Polyps and infection in
your sinuses can cause asthma.  Have you been allergy tested before?
Allergy shots can help with asthma too, you might even be a candidate
for Zolair but these shots are expensive.

Prednisone needs to start at a high dose (probably higher than 20mg/day
if you have severe asthma) then be tapered down.  I would not take
prednisone at night - this is probably why you can not sleep.

Taking the antibiotic therapy might not help you - it sounds like your
asthma is triggered by the environment rather than something that hangs
around 24/7.  Good luck.
scw - 31 Aug 2005 00:46 GMT
Hi NV,

Sorry for the asthma.  I have had symptoms all my life but it only got
real bad 2 months ago after exposure to city pollution.  First off, why
do you still have cats if you have an allergy?  From what I have read
it is one of the most potent allergens there is.  I always had a mild
allergy but it got horrible after I dated a woman with a cat.  It was
so bad that I could not touch anything if it was not washed.  In a book
I read about asthma the author said that people will get rid of spouses
before cats.  Maybe reconsider your priorities.

Have you been tested for allergies?

Absolutely avoid prednizone if possible.  I also have crohns and know
the damage that stuff can do.  Of course breathing is always a plus.

It sounds like you also have a dust allergy.  I have a severe one.  I
am in the process of removing all the carpeting from my house.
Fortunately I have hard wood floors.  I also now use a dust proof cover
on my pillows and I change the bedding once a week. The HEPA filter in
my bed room is also a great help.  It got me through 8 years without
seeing a doctor.  I will now take it to hotel rooms (its small) if I
have to travel.

Try to avoid city pollution.  I got into this mess because of a trip to
Manhatten.  I had been there a few weeks earlier and still was
recovering from the event.  I had no idea how sensitive I become.  Now
I watch the ozone reports and plan my exercise accordingly.

The bottom line is that asthma I now treat asthma as a serious disease.
Next step is to look into food allergens.  

best of luck to you,

scw
mcs - 02 Sep 2005 04:14 GMT
> Hi NV,
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> scw
SCW, finally someone who understands like I do. More and more people have to
live this way because of city pollution and its hard to decipher what
percent of people realize how bad the pollution rate affects their breathing
like for you and me. The best thing is you were only there for two weeks. I
have to live here. ugh. I think its totally unfair that more are not told on
how to prevent it or have to sell their homes because government don't care
to do anything about it. The only reason I first got involved in worrying
about air quality was because I saw what was happening in our area. Suffice
to say this is a nightmare because its induced by my cities poor F rated
air. There is absolute no study going to change this , no emotion, no
bacteria, nothing. Iknow what works I just have not been willing to live in
poverty to breathe better. I don'tmake that much and depend on support
system. that makes like ecomically acceptable. Leaving this area will put me
into poverty.
00doc - 31 Aug 2005 03:55 GMT
I posted one reply this morning but google ate it.

I just had a few random thoughts.

1) It sounds like your asthma has not been well controled for some time, if
ever.

2) Don't be too rough on your insurance. Three weeks to get a referral and
see a specialist is not all that bad.

3) I agree it would be better for your doc to see you then the ER. He should
be willing to make room in the schedule for an asthmatic who is having
problems. If he is not then perhaps you need to find someone who will. It
sounds like you should not wait two weeks to be seen. Go to the ER if you
must.

4) If sinus disease is the trigger then you may need a longer course of
antibiotics and/or more aggressive treatment of the allergies and
congestion.

5) Not all asthmatics must get rid of the family pets but if you are
allergic to them and the asthma is not well controlled then they must go.

6) Not everyone reacts to meds the same way so it is possible that Advair is
not the right med for you. However, in general going from Advair to Flovent
alone would be a step down in therapy so I'm not sure this is the right time
for you to try it, especially without input from your doctor and since you
have several alternative reasons to be doing worse.

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NV - 31 Aug 2005 17:39 GMT
Hi, everyone.

Thanks for your replies so far. I will definitely ask the doctor (when
I see him) about allergies, as I know they have been triggers in the
past. However, that does not explain the sudden spike in night attacks.

After I posted last, I started doing some research on Advair and found
that other people were having similar symptoms, so I switched back to
flovent. still taking a little bit of prednisone, but last night was
the first night in 2 weeks that I did not have a full-blown attack. I
had chest tightness and some wheezing but the albuterol finally felt
like it was helping again.

Until last night, I had that dry asthma attack-smoker cough every
night, but now when I cough it is deeper and phlegmy and productive, so
I wonder if I did have some kind of infection that just wasn't working
itself out.

Anyway, I am waiting for my appt, keeping my fingers crossed that it
was the advair that was responsible for most of the problems, and
hoping to taper off the prednisone completely if I have a few more
attack-free nights.

I really appreeciate all the advice so far, and will keep posting.

Please don't tell me to get rid of my cats, though. I have had them
since they were kittens and they are my family. And I have never had
serious asthma until this month, so they are not the reason (or sole
reason).

Thanks again,
NV

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Franki - 14 Sep 2006 16:21 GMT
HI NV,

Just wondering if this flovent you are taking has salmeterol in it? The
ventolin didn't seem to work as well for me anymore either being on seretide
which i think is the australian equivalent of advair. The dr explained that
it might seem this way as the salmeterol is already working upon the release
of muscle contraction which occurs in athsma attack - same as the ventolin.
In the end it means that it's not necessarily that the ventolin isn't
working but rather that the relief  with ventolin isn't as noticeable
because there is already a drug acting upon that mechanism of the attack to
some degree. I believe that the other two processes in an attack are related
to excess mucous production and inflammation of the bronchioles. Anyway, I
have no idea if there is a scientific basis to that - being only heresay -
but it did seem to make sense to me. My athsma also has been much worse
(with more sudden attacks/exacerbations)over the last few years.

I can't help wondering (if there is truth to this) if there is a danger
(well maybe danger is an exageration...rather something to be aware of  to
take caution in) in taking it only in the sense that you are feeling better
than you actually are. Let me see if I can explain what I mean. As a chronic
athsmatic for many years I would seek help at a certain degree of
tightness. If the muscle contraction mechanism of the attack is being
relieved somewhat - then is it possible then for the inflammation side of
things to 'creep up' so to speak. So then, by the time you feel that certain
level of tightness that is requiring more attention you are actually sicker
(inflammation wise)  If then the salmeterol is doing it's job on the
muscles - could an athsmatic find the inflammation side of things getting
worse before they seek help?  With the last exacerbation I had - I had a
wheeze the day before hospitalisation but before that just a headcold. The
doctors at hospital were confident that a few hours of iv prednilosone and
iv salbutamol would begin to reverse the situation but in the end I was on
the iv for five days and in icu for five days four of them spent on a bi-pap
machine. I was just surprised that it could all develop so quickly. Anyway
please note that these are just the musings of a athsmatic - coming from
pure speculation - not a knowledge base. If anyone who actually knows
something about this and would like to put it in perspective from a medical
standpoint  it would be a welcome response.

I have had allergy tests and found that allergy to cats is one of the many I
have. My loved pets now have to reside outside. Could that be a compromise
for you too?

Hope you are feeling better soon.
Franki.

Hi, everyone.

Thanks for your replies so far. I will definitely ask the doctor (when
I see him) about allergies, as I know they have been triggers in the
past. However, that does not explain the sudden spike in night attacks.

After I posted last, I started doing some research on Advair and found
that other people were having similar symptoms, so I switched back to
flovent. still taking a little bit of prednisone, but last night was
the first night in 2 weeks that I did not have a full-blown attack. I
had chest tightness and some wheezing but the albuterol finally felt
like it was helping again.

Until last night, I had that dry asthma attack-smoker cough every
night, but now when I cough it is deeper and phlegmy and productive, so
I wonder if I did have some kind of infection that just wasn't working
itself out.

Anyway, I am waiting for my appt, keeping my fingers crossed that it
was the advair that was responsible for most of the problems, and
hoping to taper off the prednisone completely if I have a few more
attack-free nights.

I really appreeciate all the advice so far, and will keep posting.

Please don't tell me to get rid of my cats, though. I have had them
since they were kittens and they are my family. And I have never had
serious asthma until this month, so they are not the reason (or sole
reason).

Thanks again,
NV

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Brad_Chad - 05 Sep 2005 01:45 GMT
NV, did you ever think that maybe you have airborne allergies in
combination with food allergies that may be causing many of your
symptoms? Maybe you should see a naturopathic doctor, or a doctor that
specializes in alternative medicine. You can find an alternative doctor
at www.acam.org.

Brad_Chad
Teri M - 07 Sep 2005 21:40 GMT
Sounds like you are having a hard time.  Me too with asthma.  Have you tried
a nebulizer, that seems to work best for me. Its more effective.
Also the advair takes a while to work in your system at first, I take advair
250/50, also make sure you wash your mouth out thoroghly with that, it will
give you thrush if you dont.
The cats probably are not helping even though they are not in your bedroom ,
the cat dander is still in the house

>Hi, everyone.
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>Thanks,
>NV
Merlin - 08 Sep 2005 07:02 GMT
G'day NV, your description would also be consistent with increased
sensitisation possibly due to repeated or ongoing exposure to problem
substances.
Here in Australia there is also currently a kind of influenza which has
the latter stage effects resembling an asthmatic condition, heavy
congestion, difficulty exhaling, seems to hang for about two months
from the original onset.
The earlier stages resemble very fragile kinds of feelings, cold
shivers etc., with severe odd aching effects like tendonitis or in some
cases toothache where teeth have been removed.
Light sensitivity and headaches may also be present in earlier stages.
Some doctors have been prescribing asthmatic medication.

Any asthmatic person travelling on pressurised aircraft or present in
recirculated poor air quality conditions takes chances, especially on
the cut price higher efficiency, lower air quality type airlines.
This kind of effect is most easily observed when the flu season is most
apparent.

Your problem being most apparent at night is consistent not only with
the effect being more apparent when you are lying down but also if
there is any possibility of chemical aromatic substances present in
your sleeping area. I am referring to scents from any source or
remnants of product from poorly or aromatic rinsed wash cycling.

The cat dander can be extremely problematic but can often be determined
as to it's effect by damping the cat and nursing it with the dampened
area as to properly contact your inner wrist area for ten minutes or
so, this is probably the crudest allergy test possible.
Any stinging, welting , or abnormal body effect especially in the
contact area will signal go or no go for the feline. Severe effect
means cat gone, there is no maybe involved!

Have a friend carefully inspect your home and living area to determine
if any aromatic substance is present, or can be identified, this
includes items like fresh newsprint and magazines, including junkmail
kinds of things, many of these things produce solvent aromas for many
days.
Condition your living arrangement for pure air, eliminate everything
else.

If you would like to try a controversial natural desensitisation method
for improving your congestion clearance and thus helping to reduce your
asthmatic effect, I can reccommend and teach you a procedure using a
cold shock method that may prove helpful for you, but it is a lifestyle
change and would require significant work and effort from you.
This involves natural procedures.
Cheers, Merlin.
jack - 09 Sep 2005 21:10 GMT
> Hi, everyone.
>
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> Thanks,
> NV

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