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Is patting during postural drainage still done?

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Mark Horton - 16 Aug 2005 13:56 GMT
Hello,

I wonder if I could ask for some advice?

I am a 39 year old UK male with Kartageners Syndrome,
which includes amongst many other things chronic asthma
and bronchiectasis. I have regular chest infections.

I am also a wheelchair user due to chronic arthritis.

Until recently I was having my chest tapped during my
twice daily postural drainage sessions by my mother
who has since died.

I have been referred by my doctor to the physiotherapy
clinic at my local NHS hospital.

The clinic were prepared to teach a personal care assistant
how to tap my chest during postural drainage.

However, none of the care agencies are prepared to do this
due to insurance considerations.

I was then referred back to the physio clinic, where I was then
told that tapping (patting) during postural drainage was no longer
done as it was not considered effective. They then proceeded to tell
me about breathing exercises which I have already been doing since
childhood.

I am becoming rather worried as I have already had more chest infections
than usual.

What I would like to know is it true that tapping of the chest, side
and back is now considered unnecessary, or are the physio department
trying to buck their duty of care?

Many thanks in advance for your replies

Mark
00doc - 17 Aug 2005 14:08 GMT
> Hello,
>
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>
> Mark

Its the first I have heard of it - which does not mean it isn't true.

You know who would know about this? - The people on a cystic fibrosis group.
They have similar drainage issues.

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Michael Baugh - 05 Sep 2005 05:43 GMT
Might want to refer to it as cupped hand percussion
when you're asking about it.
Reasonable place to start might be www.indianpediatrics.net
for the June 2005 issue, in the 'past issues', for the article
on "Chest Physiotherapy in Pediatric Practice".
Might also want to ask your question on a respiratory therapy
newsgroup.  

> > Hello,
> >
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> You know who would know about this? - The people on a cystic fibrosis
> group. They have similar drainage issues.
Mark Horton - 07 Sep 2005 05:47 GMT
Hi Michael,

Thanks for your reply. The article is excellent.

At the moment I am being treated as "piggy in the middle",
as the physiotherapy department is unable/unwilling to
provide the service, stating that percussion is no longer used,
and say that anyway, a personal care agency should be able to provide
the service (I am aware of the contradiction).

The personal care agencies state that they only provide help with
personal care such as washing, dressing and feeding, and that cupped
hand percussion is classed as medical treatment, and as such, beyond
their remit.

I have been back to my GP with yet another chest infection,and he
informed me that I had a referral to the chest consultant, which is on
the 18th October.

I will take a copy of the article you mentioned to the consultant
just in case he tries to feed me the same line as the physios.

Once again thanks for the info.

Best wishes

Mark
> Might want to refer to it as cupped hand percussion
> when you're asking about it.
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>>You know who would know about this? - The people on a cystic fibrosis
>>group. They have similar drainage issues.
00doc - 07 Sep 2005 13:06 GMT
I'm sure the problem is just that they don't want to do it and so they
are feeding you a line of crap.

These days a lot of PT's try to increase income by performing
modalities that don't require their direct attention like traction,
heat, and electrotherapy. That way they can have several patients lying
around on different devices at the same time. Doing Chest PT would
require a therapist to sit there and give one on one attention to a
single patient several times per week.
Mark Horton - 08 Sep 2005 01:41 GMT
Hi,

This is what I suspected all along. They tried to scare me by saying
the only way they dislodge infected mucus from the lower lung nowadays
is to use suction.

I suspect that they felt they could feed me this line as I am a
wheelchair user (pardon me if my paranoia is showing).

I politely replied that we will agree to disagree on the subject.

I will make it clear to the consultant that I have 30 years experience
in breathing exercise techniques, and that the flutters they will try
and fob me off with are no good.

But the thing that really pissed me off was that I was sent a leaflet
on how to reduce stress levels using breathing exercises. The point
being, that my stress levels would be reduced if I was getting the
effective physiotherapy I needed.

Sorry for the whinge fest, but it felt good to get it off my chest.
Sorry! No pun intended!

Mark

> I'm sure the problem is just that they don't want to do it and so they
> are feeding you a line of crap.
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> require a therapist to sit there and give one on one attention to a
> single patient several times per week.
 
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