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Insurance and pre-existing conditions (again?)

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Chad Myers - 12 Aug 2005 05:01 GMT
Hello all.

I'm a newbie here, so forgive if this topic has been hashed and rehashed a
million times. I did do a Google search and found several similar topics,
but nothing that specifically answered my question. So here goes...

I have just been presented with an amazing opportunity (one of those
double-your-salary type opportunities). But it requires me to be
self-employed, at least for long-enough-that-it-matters.

I've been on Group Insurance as long as I can remember and never had to
worry about pre-existing conditions (i.e. my asthma and allergies and all
that other fun associated stuff).

As I understand it, once I go off group, I'm screwed, as far as the asthma
coverage is concerned, for the rest of my life. Is that so?

I (think) I can stay on COBRA for up to 18mo and then I'm on my own for self
insurance which I'm sure will NOT cover me at all, or at least not for my
condition.

What will happen if, at a later day, I sign back up with a company and go on
group again. Am I truly screwed, or is there still hope?

Thanks in advance for any advice/help/whatever.

Sincerely,
Chad
Elizabeth  Blake - 12 Aug 2005 05:17 GMT
> Hello all.
>
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> double-your-salary type opportunities). But it requires me to be
> self-employed, at least for long-enough-that-it-matters.

I hope that you weren't presented with this amazing opportunity by an
unsolicited e-mail or a plastic sign tacked to a pole...

> I've been on Group Insurance as long as I can remember and never had to
> worry about pre-existing conditions (i.e. my asthma and allergies and all
> that other fun associated stuff).

When I first got insurance, which was maybe 10 years ago, it said that I
would not be covered for pre-existing conditions for the first year.  I
remember being afraid that something would happen to me before the year was
up and I'd be stuck with a huge bill, but I would have been stuck with a
huge bill anyway without insurance.  Besides asthma, I also have Type I
diabetes.  Fortunately, I was able to go the year without ever going to a
doctor.  Within the next year, my breathing got really bad and I finally
went to a doctor and had no problems with the insurance.

> As I understand it, once I go off group, I'm screwed, as far as the asthma
> coverage is concerned, for the rest of my life. Is that so?

> I (think) I can stay on COBRA for up to 18mo and then I'm on my own for
> self insurance which I'm sure will NOT cover me at all, or at least not
> for my condition.
>
> What will happen if, at a later day, I sign back up with a company and go
> on group again. Am I truly screwed, or is there still hope?

I'm in New York, and it was explained to me by an insurance broker like
this:

If you let your coverage lapse for more than 63 days, any future insurance
you get can enforce the pre-existing condition rule.  If you were without
coverage for less than 63 days, they can't deny coverage.  I'm not sure if
insurance companies can pick a number out of the air when it comes to
non-coverage or if it's always a year.  If you elect COBRA for 18 months,
and then still don't have insurance after that, you will be on your own.
But say you get a new job with group coverage three years from now.  They
can deny coverage for your asthma for a year, but after that you'll be
covered.

With my health problems (diabetes being #1), it would take more than a big
pay raise for me to give up my health insurance.  If I had to pay
out-of-pocket for all of the medications & DME I'm currently using, it would
be over $1,100/month just for that.  Add in regular doctor visits & lab
tests, and it's even more.

--
Liz
Chad Myers - 14 Aug 2005 02:14 GMT
> I hope that you weren't presented with this amazing opportunity by an
> unsolicited e-mail or a plastic sign tacked to a pole...

hahahah nope. I re-read my message and I see now how I left everyone with
that impression. No, I'm a programmer and its a contracting gig with a large
government agency.

> When I first got insurance, which was maybe 10 years ago, it said that I
> would not be covered for pre-existing conditions for the first year.  I
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> doctor.  Within the next year, my breathing got really bad and I finally
> went to a doctor and had no problems with the insurance.

Ok, I think the 6mo-1yr thing is called a "Pre-existing exemption period"
that is part of the HIPPA legislation signed in 1996 (if I'm reading these
various sites correctly).

Insurers can declare pre-existing conditions and a period in which they do
not have to cover that condition, but HIPPA limits the time they can deny
coverage. I think the max is 1yr, but states can make it less if they choose
to do so.

From what I understand, some insurers can get (aka trick) you to sign a
lifetime waiver and ignore the HIPPA legislation. I'm not sure if that's
entirely legal or whatnot, but it's something to look out for.

> I'm in New York, and it was explained to me by an insurance broker like
> this:
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> can deny coverage for your asthma for a year, but after that you'll be
> covered.

That's my understanding now too, except the "63 days" business is according
to state law. I think there's a maximum in the HIPPA stuff. I'm convinced
now that I won't be denied coverage forever, but I may have to endure some
short-term hardship should that case ever arise.

> With my health problems (diabetes being #1), it would take more than a big
> pay raise for me to give up my health insurance.  If I had to pay
> out-of-pocket for all of the medications & DME I'm currently using, it
> would be over $1,100/month just for that.  Add in regular doctor visits &
> lab tests, and it's even more.

Yeouch!  I'm sorry to hear about your condition. It sounds like you're in a
decent situation (insurance-wise, at least) though. That's good to hear!

Thanks for the advice and information.

Sincerely,
Chad
NorthShoreCEO - 14 Aug 2005 02:44 GMT
> Ok, I think the 6mo-1yr thing is called a "Pre-existing
> exemption period" that is part of the HIPPA legislation signed
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
> forever, but I may have to endure some short-term hardship
> should that case ever arise.

Hopefully, Elizabeth will be back to reply to your post to her -
because you're very confused about COBRA and HIPAA (not HIPPA).
NorthShoreCEO - 14 Aug 2005 03:01 GMT
Disregard my airhead post below....I just woke up.

>> Ok, I think the 6mo-1yr thing is called a "Pre-existing
>> exemption period" that is part of the HIPPA legislation signed
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
> her - because you're very confused about COBRA and HIPAA (not
> HIPPA).
NorthShoreCEO - 12 Aug 2005 12:57 GMT
The laws vary from state to state, so you should find out what
would happen if you had your own insurance for a time, and then
went on a group plan.   In one state there might be a law
allowing for pre-existing conditions to be uncovered for a period
of time (six months or a year), but in other states the law may
state that for group insurance, all pre-existing conditions must
be covered from day one.

The second thing you should do is to call a few good insurance
brokers in your area to ask about securing private insurance.  I
did this when I went from eighteen months on COBRA to
self-employed, and found out that they were all going to charge
me in excess of $1,000/month, AND put lifetime riders on the
contract stating they'd never have to pay for anything that was
allergy or asthma related.  Not meds, not doctors visits, not
allergy shots, etc.  I ended up going on Illinois CHIP plan -
their high risk plan - and at the age of 50, I'm paying about
$700/month, but there were no riders, and pre-existing conditions
were automatically covered and paid 80/20% after my $500
deductible was met.  My asthma was resolved in '03 (see
www.asthmastory.com - my asthma was caused by bacteria), and I
had just filled out an application for Blue Cross direct and was
ready to mail it in earlier this year, when I was diagnosed with
cancer.  I'll now be stuck with this pricey insurance for the
rest of my life - but it's a great plan and they can't increase
my premium alone and they can't drop me.

With asthma and diabetes, you're looking at high premiums and
lifetime riders for both conditions if you get private insurance.
You might want to see if that's going to eat up any profit you
thought you'd be gaining in switching jobs.

Good luck to you.

> Hello all.
>
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> Sincerely,
> Chad
00doc - 14 Aug 2005 14:18 GMT
> Hello all.
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> double-your-salary type opportunities). But it requires me to be
> self-employed, at least for long-enough-that-it-matters.

I think the biggest thing is that it is all dependant on state laws. So you
will probablyneed to look for a state specific source of info. Some states
do not alow exclusion for pre-existing conditions and some severely limit
it - so the whole thing may be moot.

The good news is that if you ever go get back into group coverage they
usually do not even ask about individual health issues. You just become part
of the group.

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