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Rae - 18 Jun 2005 04:47 GMT
Hi:
After reading your comment about MSM, I tried to find some more info on it.
Are you taking it and did it stop or help your asthma or did you use
something else?
Thank you,
Rae
NorthShoreCEO - 18 Jun 2005 13:12 GMT
Rae, I no longer had asthma when I began taking MSM.  My asthma
was resolved two years ago because mine was caused by bacteria,
and once that was treated, the asthma resolved.  (see
www.asthmastory.com for more information)

I knew a couple of people who were taking it for allergies, and
although my allergies went from severe to rather mild after the
bacteria was cleared up, I tried it last year based on what they
were telling me.  They both (independent of one another) stopped
taking Allegra (one was also on flonase and stopped that, too)
after taking MSM for a couple of months.  I tried it and I felt
it improved my allergies, although that was just for a few months
last year.  I haven't tried it this year as I was having chemo
treatments for Non-Hodgkins lymphoma, and the oncologist I'm
seeing didn't want me taking any supplements during this time.
I'm done now, and may try MSM again.

I have to caution you, though, that if you search online, (as I
did), it seems like every nut on the planet has some story about
how it helped this, that and the other thing.  If not for my two
friends, I never would have tried it based on what I'd read, but
thought I'd give it a shot just because I was curious.

I think if your asthma is allergy triggered, that it MAY improve
your asthma if your allergies improve, but I'm not even certain
of that.  As I recall, it's not terrible expensive, so may be
worth a try for you.

Good luck.

> Hi:
> After reading your comment about MSM, I tried to find some more
> info on it. Are you taking it and did it stop or help your
> asthma or did you use something else?
> Thank you,
> Rae
NorthShoreCEO - 18 Jun 2005 13:16 GMT
Rae, I just read another response you posted regarding air
pollution.  Are you on primatene mist for your asthma?  If so,
you really should see a doctor who will prescribe decent
medication, which will REALLY help you better manage your asthma
symptoms.
Rae - 18 Jun 2005 15:31 GMT
Hi:
Thank you for the advice but the last time I went to an asthma and allergy
specialist, he put me on pulmicort. I finished the one tube and never
refilled the prescription. Yes, it did help the asthma but almost
immediately I got a yeast infection in my throat. He didn't seem concerned
about that and I think said to rinse my mouth after using the inhaled
powder.
I didn't like taking meds then and still don't which is why I'm not using
it. I keep the primatene mist around as an emergency.

When I got sick last time, even it hardly worked. But that just prompted me
to continue to search for a natural cure. I just will not take meds. My
siblings are both on them. I've had it since I was 7. They didn't get it
till they were in their 40s and both of them ran to the doctor immediately
and got on meds.

My concern is what are the long term side affects of these meds??
When I was a kid, there was nothing. My mother would take me to the doctor
and he'd give me a double penicillen shot everytime I got an attack. It
never helped. So mine was apparently not bacteria related. There was no
primatene mist back then either.

I wonder what are the long term side affects of primatene mist? I'm not
having to use it as much now with the nasal wash and breathing technique.

I hope you got your health problems under control. Sounds like you had a lot
going on.

Thanks,

Rae

> Rae, I just read another response you posted regarding air pollution.  Are
> you on primatene mist for your asthma?  If so, you really should see a
> doctor who will prescribe decent medication, which will REALLY help you
> better manage your asthma symptoms.
00doc - 18 Jun 2005 15:41 GMT
> I didn't like taking meds then and still don't which is why I'm not
> using it. I keep the primatene mist around as an emergency.

I'm not going to argue the issues about steroids or prescription meds
unless you really want to discuss it - and I get the feeling that you
don't. But I have to pipe up here.

This makes no sense. If you don't want to take conventional meds that
is your choice - but you are not following that when you select
primatine. If you are going to make an exception it would be far
better to use a better med.

Sure, if you see a doc and are having more than occasional symptoms he
will advise you to take a steroid inhaler (and rinsing and/or
switching meds should stop the yeast problem BTW) but you are free to
ignore that advice. They would also prescribe a better rescue inhaler.

> When I got sick last time, even it hardly worked. But that just
> prompted me to continue to search for a natural cure. I just will
> not
> take meds.

But you are taking meds - just different ones.

Never mind, I promised I wouldn't argue the point so I'll stop there.

> So mine was apparently not bacteria related.
> There was no primatene mist back then either.

FWIW penicillin wouldn't treat the type of bacteria NSCEO is talking
about.

> I wonder what are the long term side affects of primatene mist? I'm
> not having to use it as much now with the nasal wash and breathing
> technique.

If you are using it less than twice a week then an inhaled steroid
would not be indicated and you probably don't need to worry about
getting hassled by the doc anyway.

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Rae - 18 Jun 2005 15:53 GMT
Thanks for your input.

What is in the rescue inhaler the doctor gave me? As I recall, it didn't
relieve the tightening as quickly as the primatene mist did. He gave me the
pulmicort and a rescue inhaler. And you didn't mention what if any were the
long term adverse affects of using primatene mist every day if you needed to
as opposed to the prescription rescue inhaler?

Thanks,
Rae

>> I didn't like taking meds then and still don't which is why I'm not
>> using it. I keep the primatene mist around as an emergency.
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> not be indicated and you probably don't need to worry about getting
> hassled by the doc anyway.
00doc - 18 Jun 2005 16:07 GMT
> Thanks for your input.
>
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> rescue
> inhaler?

It was probably albuterol but there are other possibilities.

Primatine is just epinephrine (aka adrenaline) plain and simple. It
works by activating the beta receptors in the lungs and causing the
airways to open up. However, it also goes to the heart and stimulates
the beta receptors there and causes it to beat ahrder and faster. The
albuterol stimulates the same beta receptors in the lung but much less
so the ones in the heart.

As for side effects. In the short term primatine will make you feel
more jittery and cause more heart pounding. The long term concern is
that overuse of albuterol has been associated with death. One theory
about why this is is that it cause heart ryhthm disturbances. Since
Primatine stimulates the heart so much more one would assume that
there may be an even greater risk.

Also, meds that block the caridac beta recptors have been shown to be
protective against arrythmias and heart attacks (and strokes). So one
might infer that stimulating them could have the opposite effects.

The problem is that since Primatine is OTC there are no records like
with prescription meds and so it is much harder to tease these issues
out. This is a general problem with all nonregulated compounds and one
reason why you should not assume "no news is good news" in terms of
adverse effects (or try to compare reported rates of adverse effects
between OTC and prescription meds). Sometimes no news is just no news.

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