I am new here. My asthma is over 25 years old. It started worsening
suddenly in the last six months. A trip to ER forced my PCP to send me
to a specialist. Currently Advair discus, Spriva Handihaler(not heard
much about it) and Flovent are helping me out. I am experiencing
following conditions that have baffled my Pulmonary specialist:
1. I get pain in rib cage, collar bone and upper torso, probably
costochondritis (tests have ruled out any cardiac issue). Has anyone
heard if there is a link between the two?
2. My chest and arms muscle feel very sore (the way you feel after
intense excercise). Blood test shows normal CK levels.
3. My breathlessness gets triggered or aggravated when I bend down to
pick up something from the floor.
4. Unexplicable loss of energy and fatigue.
Thanks in advance. I really believe in the power of such forums. My
wife found relief for her migrains in one of the related groups.
blue_laser
> I am new here. My asthma is over 25 years old. It started worsening
> suddenly in the last six months. A trip to ER forced my PCP to send me
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> blue_laser
Hiya, and welcome.
My first question before anything else is this......if you are taking
Advair, why are you also taking Flovent?? Flovent is IN Advair, it is
part of the duo in Advair, Flovent and Serevent. You really shouldn't
be taking both.
As for the body pain, sometimes the way you are breathing can cause you
pain like that. When I'm wheezing, I tend to tense my muscles,
especially in my arms and chest. It is something I have to consciously
think about, otherwise I end up with pain a lot like what you are
describing. I'm not saying that IS what is causing your pain, just that
it could be. If you have been wheezing a lot, it could just be muscle
pain from that. Have you tried just taking a pain reliever, like Advil
(if you ARE NOT aspirin sensitive) or Tylenol (if you are)?
The bending down on the floor thing definitely has some kind of asthma
connection. My insurance has an asthma program that I am enrolled in,
and once a month a respiratory therapist calls me and goes over how I've
been during the month. One of the questions that they always ask me is
if I get short of breath when bending down. I never did, thought it was
a wierd question, but apparently it isn't. Have you talked to your
doctor about it?
I hope this helps you. Before you take anything, you should absolutely
double check with your doc, he/she should always know what you are
taking, even if it is aspirin, vitamins, whatever.
Hope this helps, and I hope you feel better soon.
Life is uncertain..........eat dessert first!!
Nancy
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aXasthana@gmail.com - 18 Jun 2005 02:28 GMT
Thanks for welcoming me and for your advice. I guess I made a mistake
in the name of the medicine. It is Flonase (antibiotic nasal spray) and
not Flovent.
The pain in the muscles is almost always present. I tried taking
Tylenol (Ibuprofane and Aspirin tend to trigger breathlessness)but the
relief is very short lived.
I am curious about why your therapist asked about bending down. My
Physician sort of glossed over this fact. Now I have more information
to go back to my doctor.
> > I am new here. My asthma is over 25 years old. It started worsening
> > suddenly in the last six months. A trip to ER forced my PCP to send me
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> Nancy
> 8=: )
>I am new here. My asthma is over 25 years old. It started worsening
>suddenly in the last six months. A trip to ER forced my PCP to send me
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>costochondritis (tests have ruled out any cardiac issue). Has anyone
>heard if there is a link between the two?
Is the pain localized? Is it a stabbing pain, a throbbing pain, an
aching pain? Does it hurt more when you cough?
Is your pain on one side or more locations (left, right, front, back)?
Is there pain under the collar bone(s), close to the spine and
sternum? Does the pain worsen when you turn your head to the left or
to the right?
aXasthana@gmail.com - 18 Jun 2005 02:35 GMT
Thanks Bob. No the pain is dull and all over. Movement of hands and/or
chest muscles brings it back. The pain is closer to sternum, actually
on strenum and under collar bones and on both sides of spine.
Lately the muscles of my left arm pain when I raise or extend the arm.
Sometimes it feels that I am loosing strength in my hand/arm muscles.
Does this ring a bell?
Bob - 18 Jun 2005 17:08 GMT
>Thanks Bob. No the pain is dull and all over. Movement of hands and/or
>chest muscles brings it back. The pain is closer to sternum, actually
>on strenum and under collar bones and on both sides of spine.
>Lately the muscles of my left arm pain when I raise or extend the arm.
>Sometimes it feels that I am loosing strength in my hand/arm muscles.
>Does this ring a bell?
The only other thing I would add to OOdoc's excellent advice is to
include a rheumatologist's opinion, if necessary. And be sure to let
them know of your sensitivity to tylenol and anything else you are
aware of.
> I am new here. My asthma is over 25 years old. It started worsening
> suddenly in the last six months. A trip to ER forced my PCP to send
> me
> to a specialist. Currently Advair discus, Spriva Handihaler(not
> heard
> much about it) and Flovent are helping me out.
I saw your correction to the med list in response to Nancy. BTW -
Flonase is a steroid similar to Flvent, not an antibiotic.
I assume you also have a rescue inhaler like albuterol or Combivent.
None of the ones you mention are fast acting meds.
If you have both asthma and allergies you may want to consider trying
Singulair (a pill). Spiriva is a bit of a funny choice unless you have
been a smoker.
> I am experiencing
> following conditions that have baffled my Pulmonary specialist:
> 1. I get pain in rib cage, collar bone and upper torso, probably
> costochondritis (tests have ruled out any cardiac issue). Has anyone
> heard if there is a link between the two?
Sounds like either costochondritis or pleurisy. It is common in
asthma. My theory is that it has to do with the increased work the
area is doing in breathing. If you were used to walking on level
ground all day and then one day walked stairs or up hill all day would
you wonder why your legs hurt?
Usually costochondritis is diagnosed clinically and treated with
NSAIDs like Motrin with no imaging necessary. It usually is self
limited or waxing and waning (often with the severity of astma). If it
is persistent and pleurisy is a concern then a chest CT may be a good
idea. The pulm may also want to do a VQ scan to rule out blood clots
(which a CT scan would also do to an extent - the big ones anyway).
I'm sure you have had x-rays but a CT is much more sensitive.
One word of caution. NSAIDs like aspirin and Motrin worsen some
people's asthma. If you have been taking them consistently for a while
you may want to stop them and use Tylenol or narcotics for the pain to
see if it gets better. Those won't do anything for inflammation so if
it does not improve you may want to restart the NSAID but it is worth
a try (and the only way to settle the issue). If you use the NSAIDs
intemrittently (or not at all) then just try to pay attention to any
correlation between them and your symptoms.
> 2. My chest and arms muscle feel very sore (the way you feel after
> intense excercise). Blood test shows normal CK levels.
Again, that could be a lot of things. As Bob was getting at it could
be an oprthopedic/spine issue. Also reflux (see below) can cause chest
pain that goes down the arms - especially the left arm (the same
nerves are involved as with cardiac pain).
> 3. My breathlessness gets triggered or aggravated when I bend down
> to
> pick up something from the floor.
That reminds of me of gastroespohageal reflux disease (GERD) which is
also associated with asthma and can cause wheezing and chest pain. You
might want to specifically mention this to the pulm.
NSAIDs can worsen this (and hence also worsen asthma). So this is
another reason to pay close attention to their effects.
> 4. Unexplicable loss of energy and fatigue.
That could be a ton of things - some associated with pleurisy/asthma
and some not. I think you need to discuss this symptom specifically
with both the pulm and the primary care doc.
One underdiagnosed thing I would be tempted to look into is disordered
sleep - either frank obstructive sleep apnea (which is associated with
reflux) or just evening low oxygen levels. Again, talk to your docs
about this.
Hint: Make a list for your next visit so you remember everything you
want to say.
> Thanks in advance. I really believe in the power of such forums. My
> wife found relief for her migrains in one of the related groups.
Good luck.

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aXasthana@gmail.com - 21 Jun 2005 06:47 GMT
Thanks 00doc for the detailed reply. I noticed that you mentioned
Spiriva is a funny choice. Can you shed some more light on this? I did
smoke 28 years ago and that too only for 2 years. Also any idea why
bending down triggers breathlessness?
> > I am new here. My asthma is over 25 years old. It started worsening
> > suddenly in the last six months. A trip to ER forced my PCP to send
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> Good luck.
00doc - 21 Jun 2005 15:56 GMT
> Thanks 00doc for the detailed reply. I noticed that you mentioned
> Spiriva is a funny choice. Can you shed some more light on this? I did
> smoke 28 years ago and that too only for 2 years.
Atrovent and Spiriva are used sometimes in asthma but are usually
thought of more as COPD emphysema drugs. They are bronchodilators that
work on a different receptor and differen tpart of the pulmonary tree
than beta agonsists liek albuterol and Serevent. The thinking is that
what they work on is usually less of an issue with asthma (but moreso
with emphysema) and that most asthmatics shouldn't need a second
bronchodilator.
All that said - they shouldn't hurt and I have seen some asthmatics
that swore they got more of a response from Atrovent.
> Also any idea why
> bending down triggers breathlessness?
It could just be the abdominal contents encroaching on the chest
cavity. Sometimes it can be a symptom of reflux which can trigger
wheezing.

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