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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Asthma / June 2005Asthma / allergies / erythrocytosis / increased red blood cells
I suppose if one were to attempt to followup on the link between increased blood cell mass / erythrocytosis .. one might find a link then between INCREASED leukemia / uncontrolled red blood cell production .. and asthma / allergies .. ? Voila .. BMC Public Health. 2004 Nov 4;4(1):51. Related Articles, Links Allergic conditions and risk of hematological malignancies in adults: a cohort study. Soderberg KC, Hagmar L, Schwartzbaum J, Feychting M. The Institute of Environmental Medicine, Karolinska Institutet, Box 210, S-171 77 Stockholm, Sweden. Karin.Soderberg@imm.ki.se BACKGROUND: Two contradictory hypotheses have been proposed to explain the relationship between allergic conditions and malignancies, the immune surveillance hypothesis and the antigenic stimulation hypothesis. The former advocates that allergic conditions may be protective against development of cancer, whereas the latter proposes an increased risk. This relationship has been studied in several case-control studies, but only in a few cohort studies. METHODS: The association between allergic conditions and risk of developing leukemia, Hodgkin's disease, non-Hodgkin's lymphoma and myeloma was investigated in a cohort of 16,539 Swedish twins born 1886-1925. Prospectively collected, self-reported information about allergic conditions such as asthma, hay fever or eczema was obtained through questionnaires administered in 1967. The cohort was followed 1969-99 and cancer incidence was ascertained from the Swedish Cancer Registry. RESULTS: Hives and asthma tended to increase the risk of leukemia (relative risk [RR] = 2.1, 95% Confidence Interval [CI] 1.0-4.5 and RR = 1.6, 95% CI 0.8-3.5, respectively). There was also an indication of an increased risk of non-Hodgkin's lymphoma associated with eczema during childhood (RR = 2.3, 95% CI 1.0-5.3). CONCLUSION: In contrast to most previous studies, our results do not indicate a protective effect of allergic conditions on the risk of developing hematological malignancies. Rather, they suggest that allergic conditions might increase the risk of some hematological malignancies. Publication Types: Twin Study PMID: 15527506 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking > I suppose if one were to attempt to followup on the link between > increased blood cell mass / erythrocytosis .. one might find a link > then between INCREASED leukemia / uncontrolled red blood cell > production .. and asthma / allergies .. ? > > Voila .. Voila, as in "how wrong can you get"? Neither leukemia nor myleloma present with increased blood cell mass/ erythrocytosis. In fact, one of the diagnostic hallmarks of these malignancies is anemia. How .. does .. that .. make .. you .. feel? Irrelevant (what else is new?) study snipped... >> I suppose if one were to attempt to followup on the link between >> increased blood cell mass / erythrocytosis .. one might find a link [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > mass/ > erythrocytosis. That's OK. Neither does iron excess. It causes a lot of things - dementia, heart failure, kidney failure, immunodeficiencies, liver failure - it goes on. it can even in the end stages cause anemia. But it does not cuase polycythemia.  Signature00doc >>> I suppose if one were to attempt to followup on the link between >>> increased blood cell mass / erythrocytosis .. one might find a link [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > immunodeficiencies, liver failure - it goes on. it can even in the end > stages cause anemia. But it does not cuase polycythemia. Then perhaps it causes eggs and chickens...he seems to be dwelling on that aspect.... Excuse .. me .. ? Are you .. stupid .. ? You must .. BE .. stupid .. Another NAME .. for .. hemochromatosis .. IS .. erythrocytosis .. Iron overload = erythrocytosis .. ask any blood donor clinic .. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking >The snip from a blood donor site below verifies this in that it calls hemochromatosis / iron overload as a 'category' .. OF .. erythrocytosis .. too many red blood cells which leads to hypervolemia .. http://www.sfbb.org/can_I_don.htm <<snip>> Hemochromatosis You may be eligible to donate blood for others if you have hemochromatosis. To do so you must present an appropriately completed prescription from your physician. You must meet all other criteria for volunteer whole blood donation other than the donation interval.* Other categories* of erythrocytosis (too many red blood cells) such as polycythemia vera will remain as therapeutic phlebotomies per Food and Drug Administration (FDA) regulations. You can contact South Florida Blood Banks, Inc. for further details at our toll free number: 888 - 884 - LIFE <<snip>> Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking < > Excuse .. me .. ? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Iron overload = erythrocytosis .. ask any blood donor clinic .. No it is not. Erythrocytosis is the process of producing erythrocytes (red blood cells). So right of the bat you are equating a noun with a verb. Polycythemia means increased red cell mass (and usually increased hematocrit (percentage of the bllod that is RBC's)). Hemochromatosis is a condition of excess iron accumulation. It can be genetic or from environmental factors and the excess iron deposition in the tissues causes dysfunction of many organs. One of its symptoms is anemia, due to damage to thebone marrow from the iron, not polycythema. In normal people there is enough iron to make all the red cells that you body wants and so the levels are regulated by other means (mainly erythropoetin levels). Increasing the iron does not drive increased production. The only time iron influences red cell mass is when its absence prevents production and results in amenia. http://www.americanhs.org/whatisit.htm http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/hemochromatosis/index.htm#symptoms http://www.mayoclinic.com/invoke.cfm?objectid=992CA155-2D99-4C3E-BDBF4F4470FE5B8 F&dsection=2 http://www.cdc.gov/hemochromatosis/ You will note that none of these list polycythemia as a sign. Signature00doc Bone .. up .. boy .. http://community.dadeschools.net/Bloodfaq.htm >>snip<< Hemochromatosis You may be eligible to donate blood for others if you have hemochromatosis. To do so you must present an appropriately completed prescription from your physician. You must meet all other criteria for volunteer whole blood donation other than the donation interval. Other categories of erythrocytosis (too many red blood cells) such as polycythemia vera will remain as therapeutic phlebotomies per Food and Drug Administration (FDA) regulations. >>snip<< Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking > Bone .. up .. boy Yes, and you are the boy that it's up. And I thought all the squirming that you were doing was for being shown up for the inaccurate fraud that you are. > Excuse .. me .. ? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Another NAME .. for .. hemochromatosis .. IS .. erythrocytosis .. Not even close. Maybe in your dellusional mind. Primary and secondary polycythemias have nothing to do with iron directly. The circulating cells may even be iron deficient as production goes off the chart in comparison to iron supply. You can simply be dehydrated causing a high hematocrit. Iron overload is associated with refractory anemia and in the case of sickle cell anemia, bone marrow failure. You simply don't know what you are talking about. > Iron overload = erythrocytosis .. ask any blood donor clinic .. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING > http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking Listen .. Robert .. Did .. I .. WRITE .. the article calling hemochromatosis a CATEGORY of .. erythrocytosis ..? What would YOU .. say .. is MEANT .. by .. "a category of erythrocytosis .. " .. ? Could it BE .. that .. hemochromatosis IS .. a .. category OF .. erythrocytosis .. ? Nah .. THEY .. have it .. wrong .. ALL .. the blood donor clinics have it .. wrong .. Yep .. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking Mr.. manwithasthma is NOW .. a .. cancer .. specialist .. Jeez .. your abilities .. extend far beyond .. asthma .. Eh .. For .. sure .. Heh .. heh .. Stick .. to .. asthma .. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking > Mr.. manwithasthma is NOW .. a .. cancer .. specialist .. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Stick .. to .. asthma .. Oh, the irony. Well .. YOU .. explain .. then .. If you are . sooooo .. wise .. WHY .. did I .. post this on both leukemia lists and asthma .. lists .. ? WHY .. ? Pretty .. simple .. And IF .. you .. DO .. 'know' .. WHY .. then .. why .. didn't YOU .. enlighten .. your .. bro .. ARoberts .. ? Eh .. ? Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking Think of a tachometer of your car .. the red line .. is .. leukemia .. death .. Korean J Intern Med. 2004 Dec;19(4):285-8. Related Articles, Links A case of transition of polycythemia vera to chronic neutrophilic leukemia. Lee SS, Moon JH, Ha JW, Lee YK, Ahn JS, Zang DY, Kim HJ. Department of Internal Medicine, College of Medicine, Hallym University, Sacred Heart Hospital, Anyang, Korea. Chronic Neutrophilic Leukemia (CNL) is a rare myeloproliferative disorder characterized by a persistent increase of mature peripheral neutrophils, myeloid hyperplasia in bone marrow, hepatosplenomegaly, elevated neutrophil alkaline phosphatase (NAP) and absence of Philadelphia chromosome, with no evidence of infection or malignancy sufficient to mimic a leukemoid reaction. CNL has been associated with multiple myelomas in many reported cases, but transition of Polycythemia Vera (PV) to CNL is very rare. An 81-year-old female patient, who had undergone intermittent phlebotomy following the diagnosis of PV 8 years previously, was admitted to our hospital due to lower back pain. A physical examination showed a splenomegaly 2 cm below the costal margin, with tenderness of the thoracic and lumbar spine area. A peripheral blood examination showed a WBC count of 91,800/microL (neutrophil 88%) with a rare immature form, hemoglobin of 9.1 g/dL and a platelet count of 1,661,000/microL. Her NAP score was 58. The bone marrow examination showed 95% cellularity, with an M:E ratio of 10:1, increased megakaryocytes with normal morphology and the absence of myelofibrosis. Chromosomal studies showed no Philadelphia chromosome. A radiological examination showed compression fractures of the vertebrae and spinal cord compression. No underlying disease causing a leukemoid reaction was detected. With iron replacement, the hemoglobin level failed to increase over 12 g/dL. Therefore, it was concluded to be a transition of PV to CNL. After administration of hydroxyurea and vertebroplasty, the symptom improved and the WBC count was sustained below 40,000/microL. Publication Types: Case Reports PMID: 15683121 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking >Well .. YOU .. explain .. then .. > >If you are . sooooo .. wise .. >WHY .. did I .. post this on both leukemia lists and asthma .. lists ..? >WHY .. ? Why? You'd post to a shopping list if it would get you attention. >Pretty .. simple .. Don't worry, we knew that about you after your first post. > Well .. YOU .. explain .. then .. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > WHY .. ? Because you can. You are like a homeless man with a shopping cart full of useless Pubmed references. > Pretty .. simple .. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING > http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking >> WHY .. did I .. post this on both leukemia lists and asthma .. lists .. > ? > WHY .. ? < I'll take that .. as .. "I don't know .. sir .. " Heh .. heh .. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking >Mr.. manwithasthma is NOW .. a .. cancer .. specialist .. >Jeez .. your abilities .. extend far beyond .. asthma .. >Eh .. > For .. sure .. >Heh .. heh .. >Stick .. to .. asthma .. Your usual logical and factual refutation. After you have finished your nervous tics that masquerade as posting (Eh, for .. sure, heh .. heh ..), take a moment to consider that you are not only wrong but enthusiastically and dedicatedly so. Although there are thousands of places on the web and in text books to learn that anemia is one of the most common symptoms of leukemia and myeloma, you have managed to miss or have decided to ignore that fact. No wonder you are the object of ridicule. Actually .. since you don't even .. know .. hemochromatosis IS .. erythrocytosis .. then .. you shouldn't even be .. attempting .. TO .. speak to ANYTHING .. ON .. this .. thread .. Simply because .. the .. thread .. IS .. erythrocytosis .. And YOU .. obviously .. KNOW .. fkall .. about .. it .. Eh .. Heh .. heh .. Say some more stupid .. stuff .. Comeon .. I .. know .. you .. can .. do .. it .. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking >Actually .. since you don't even .. know .. hemochromatosis IS .. >erythrocytosis .. then .. you shouldn't even be .. attempting .. TO .. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Say some more stupid .. stuff .. >Comeon .. I .. know .. you .. can .. do .. it .. You've already taken care of being stupid--everytime you repeat the egregious error about erythrocytosis being another definition of hemochromatosis. They are separate and distinct. Erythrocytosis is an excess of red blood cells (the opposite of anemia) and hemochromatosis is a metabolic disorder characterized by the increased uptake of iron. This is easily verified by anyone with a modicum of reading comprehension, and that probably explains why you have repeatedly failed to grasp the distinction. Keep repeating the lie/error though, it's very entertaining. > >Actually .. since you don't even .. know .. hemochromatosis IS .. > >erythrocytosis .. then .. you shouldn't even be .. attempting .. TO .. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > hemochromatosis. They are separate and distinct. Erythrocytosis is an > excess of red blood cells (the opposite of anemia) Not even that. Sometimes the problem is not excess red cells but a decrease in plasma volume. In any erthrocytosis the initial study needs to be determined if it is excess circulating blood cells or a decreased plasma volume. and hemochromatosis > is a metabolic disorder characterized by the increased uptake of iron. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Keep repeating the lie/error though, it's very entertaining. Robert Jun 1, 2:18 pm show options Newsgroups: alt.support.asthma, sci.med, sci.med.nursing, sci.med.nutrition, misc.health.alternative From: "Robert" <Robertit...@hotmail.com> - Find messages by this author Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 11:18:17 -0700 Local: Wed,Jun 1 2005 2:18 pm Subject: Re: Asthma / allergies / erythrocytosis / increased red blood cells Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse "ironjustiron" <a-rober...@comcast.net> wrote in message news:1117644102.965000.229160@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > >Actually .. since you don't even .. know .. hemochromatosis IS .. > >erythrocytosis .. then .. you shouldn't even be .. attempting .. TO .. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Say some more stupid .. stuff .. > >Comeon .. I .. know .. you .. can .. do .. it .. > You've already taken care of being stupid--everytime you repeat the > egregious error about erythrocytosis being another definition of > hemochromatosis. They are separate and distinct. Erythrocytosis is an > excess of red blood cells (the opposite of anemia) >Not even that. Sometimes the problem is not excess red cells but a decrease >in plasma volume. In any erthrocytosis the initial study needs to be >determined if it is excess circulating blood cells or a decreased plasma >volume Exactly. It can be absolute or relative. A contracted plasma state must be differentiated against red cell mass. Paradoxically (and much to iron-boy's chagrin), patients with erthrocytosis can present with iron deficiency anemia. See if you .. UNDERSTAND .. the article .. below .. If you don't .. Keep it to .. yourself .. <<snip>> increased erythrocyte indices [hemoglobin concentration, hematocrit, mean corpuscular volume, mean corpuscular hemoglobin (MCH), MCH concentration] in subjects with hereditary hemochromatosis <<snip>> Hematology. 2004 Oct-Dec;9(5-6):413-4. Related Articles, Links Analysis of hemochromatosis gene mutations in 52 consecutive patients with polycythemia vera. Franchini M, de Matteis G, Federici F, Solero P, Veneri D. Servizio di Immunoematologia e Trasfusione, Centro Emofilia, Azienda Ospedaliera di Verona, Verona, Italy. mfranchini@mail.univr.it A literature review reports increased erythrocyte indices [hemoglobin concentration, hematocrit, mean corpuscular volume, mean corpuscular hemoglobin (MCH), MCH concentration] in subjects with hereditary hemochromatosis (HH). We, therefore, screened 52 consecutive patients with polycythemia vera for 12 HH gene mutations, comparing iron status and red cell parameters between patients positive or negative for HH gene mutations. Our results support the evidence that there is no association between these two conditions. PMID: 15763983 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking >See if you .. UNDERSTAND .. the article .. below .. >If you don't .. >Keep it to .. yourself .. ><<snip>> >increased erythrocyte indices [hemoglobin concentration, hematocrit, >mean corpuscular volume, mean corpuscular hemoglobin (MCH), MCH >concentration] in subjects with hereditary hemochromatosis ><<snip>> >Hematology. 2004 Oct-Dec;9(5-6):413-4. Related Articles, Links >Analysis of hemochromatosis gene mutations in 52 consecutive patients >with polycythemia vera. >Franchini M, de Matteis G, Federici F, Solero P, Veneri D. >Servizio di Immunoematologia e Trasfusione, Centro Emofilia, Azienda >Ospedaliera di Verona, Verona, Italy. mfranch...@mail.univr.it >A literature review reports increased erythrocyte indices [hemoglobin >concentration, hematocrit, mean corpuscular volume, mean corpuscular [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >gene mutations. Our results support the evidence that there is no >association between these two conditions. PMID: 15763983 [ Obviously I understand it better than you, since it supports my position: "We, therefore, screened 52 consecutive patients with polycythemia vera for 12 HH gene mutations, comparing iron status and red cell parameters between patients positive or negative for HH gene mutations. Our results support the evidence that there is no association between these two conditions" It's quite explicit; you're very wrong. Thanks for that. Do I .. really .. give a fk .. whether .. GENETIC FKG HEMOCHROMATOSIS IS .. associated .. with .. polycythemia vera .. ? No ... I .. don't .. The statement .. was .. "if you don't understand the article .. STFU .. " Obviously you didn't understand .. u-n-d-e-r-s-t-a-n-d .. the .. statement .. OR .. the .. article .. So ... congratulations.. you have expressed your stupidity .. twice .. in the same .. post .. The question .. or more to the point .. YOUR .. 'understanding' .. Roberts.. understanding .. and 00docs' .. understanding is .. limited .. for lack of a better word .. <<snip>> increased erythrocyte indices [hemoglobin concentration, hematocrit, mean corpuscular volume, mean corpuscular hemoglobin (MCH), MCH concentration] in subjects with hereditary hemochromatosis <<snip>> < elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. So you .. u-n-d-e-r-s-t-a-n-d .. NOW .. ? An e-r-t-h-r-o-c-y-t-e .. is .. ? A .. red .. blood .. cell .. So according to this researcher .. a .. study of hemochromatosis .. patients .. REVEALED .. What .. ? elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. Right .. Now .. S-T-F-U .. as you were .. told .. t-o-l-d .. Because .. you cannot even understand .. u-n-d-e-r-s-t-a-n-d .. a .. SIMPLE .. medical .. article / study .. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking >elevated .. erythrocytes .. elevated .. erythrocytes .. >Right .. Well, you have demonstrated that you can duplicate your errors. How nice. >Now .. S-T-F-U .. as you were .. told .. t-o-l-d .. How do you intend to enforce that? Specifically. You keep trying intimidate people with that crap. I don't intimidate. Make your move--let's see what you've got. This is usenet; get used to being held in contempt by your betters, who are legion. >How do you intend to enforce that? Specifically. You keep trying intimidate people with that crap. I don't intimidate. Make your move--let's see what you've got.< Does that .. really .. matter .. ? You still haven't answered the original .. question .. Why is it that .. blood donor clinics .. call .. hemochromatosis .. erythrocytosis .. and you don't .. ? Why is it that research has SHOWN .. increased erythrocytes IN .. hemochromatosis .. and YOU .. don't ADMIT .. the researchers found increased erythrocytes IN .. hemochromatosis .. ? Is it because you are nothing . a .. fkg .. two bit .. pussy .. ? That would .. explain .. it .. Yep .. >Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking< >How do you intend to enforce that? Specifically. You keep trying >intimidate people with that crap. I don't intimidate. Make your >move--let's see what you've got. >Does that .. really .. matter .. ? That's it, mouth boy? Pretty impressive. A lot of ineffectual yap as usual. >Why is it that .. blood donor clinics .. call .. hemochromatosis .. >erythrocytosis .. and you don't .. ? Not just me. Everyone but you. So that's your source of information--blood donor clinics? That's like designing a car based on information from Jiffy-Lube. In any event, if they say they are identical, then they are misinformed. (which I doubt--it's easier to believe that you have misunderstood--quite in character). >Why is it that research has SHOWN .. increased erythrocytes IN .. >hemochromatosis .. and YOU .. don't ADMIT I'm saying that they are _not_ one in the same as you're trying to claim. Here is a link the American Hemochromatosis Society website: http://www.americanhs.org/whatisit.htm Note all symptoms, especially number 4: Anemia. Again: Hemochromatosis is a disorder of iron metabolism. From the CDC: http://www.cdc.gov/hemochromatosis/training/course_summary/ Note that there is _no_ mention of erythrocytosis as a synonym for, nor used interchangably with hemochromatosis. Provide even one citation that directly does just that: equates the two as exactly the same disorder. Not just mentioned in the same citation, not just mentioned in the same sentence, but that equates them as one and the same. Sure, phlebotomy is used as a treatment for both--to alleviate iron load--but that doesn't make them equivalent. Now I'm going to enjoy a nice, medium-rare steak. That's it, mouth boy? Pretty impressive. A lot of ineffectual yap as usual. < Heh .. heh .. >Why is it that .. blood donor clinics .. call .. hemochromatosis .. >erythrocytosis .. and you don't .. ? < >Not just me. Everyone but you. So that's your source of information--blood donor clinics? That's like designing a car based on information from Jiffy-Lube. < ????? So what YOU .. are .. saying .. IS .. "theyfkggotitallwrongthosefkdupexcusesfornursesanddoctors" .. THAT is based on your extensive knowledge OF .. medicine .. Eh .. >In any event, if they say they are identical, then they are misinformed. (which I doubt--it's easier to believe that you have misunderstood--quite in character). < < I placed TWO .. different .. blood donor sites .. TWO .. called .. hemochromatosis .. erythrocytosis .. THAT is NOT .. misunderstanding .. that is .. UNDERSTANDING .. YOU .. seem to have a problem with .. U-N-D-E-R-S-T-A-N-D-I-N-G So what you .. ARE .. saying .. IS .. "theyfkggotitallwrongthosefkdupexcusesfornursesanddoctors" .. I .. did .. understand .. WHAT .. you were hinting .. at .. Heh .. heh .. >Why is it that research has SHOWN .. increased erythrocytes IN .. >hemochromatosis .. and YOU .. don't ADMIT < I'm saying that they are _not_ one in the same as you're trying to claim. < Increased red blood cell count .. is NOT .. the SAME .. as .. erythrocytosis ..? I believe it . .is .. Of course we could pull out a .. dictionary .. >Here is a link the American Hemochromatosis Society website: http://www.americanhs.org/whatisit.htm Note all symptoms, especially number 4: Anemia. < Again .. 'anemia' .. You obviously believe .. 'anemia' .. and DEFICIENCY .. of .. iron .. are the SAME .. in .. iron overload .. ? Heh .. heh .. >Again: Hemochromatosis is a disorder of iron metabolism. From the CDC: http://www.cdc.gov/hemochromatosis/training/course_summary/ Note that there is _no_ mention of erythrocytosis as a synonym for, nor used interchangably with hemochromatosis. < Do .. I ..care .. WHAT .. they .. say .. ? They tell you to eat salmon .. VERY .. high .. in .. iron .. Real smart guys .. >Provide even one citation that directly does just that: equates the two as exactly the same disorder. Not just mentioned in the same citation, not just mentioned in the same sentence, but that equates them as one and the same. < Listen .. jrkff .. 'THEY'.. believe .. erythrocytosis .. EXISTS .. when .. one reaches a 'certain' .. NUMBER OF RED BLOOD CELLS .. THAT is governed by .. cash .. Too many false positives .. Studies have shown malformation and decreased live birth .. BEFORE .. the 'classified erythrocytosis'.. ACCORDING TO THEIR PARAMETERS .. set .. by .. money .. So .. evidence based medicine .. SHOWS .. the markers used to .. diagnose .. ARE .. set too high .. Sure, phlebotomy is used as a treatment for both--to alleviate iron load--but that doesn't make them equivalent. < Well the doctors and nurses at blood donor clinics .. seem .. to .. think .. they .. are .. They 'call' .. them .. erythrocytosis .. They must BELIEVE them BOTH to BE .. erythrocytosis .. >Now I'm going to enjoy a nice, medium-rare steak> Hey .. that is number 6 .. on the .. pussycard/moves .. I think you missed .. number 5 .. What WAS .. number 5 .. ? Heh .. heh .. >>Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking<< That's it, mouth boy? Pretty impressive. A lot of ineffectual yap as usual. < >Heh .. heh .. Heh, heh, as in "you punked out". What a surprise, zealot-boy. >Why is it that .. blood donor clinics .. call .. hemochromatosis .. >erythrocytosis .. and you don't .. ? < >Not just me. Everyone but you. So that's your source of information--blood donor clinics? That's like designing a car based on information from Jiffy-Lube. < ????? It's called a "simile". I'd ask you to look it up, but I know that you prefer ignorance. >So what YOU .. are .. saying .. IS .. >"theyfkggotitallwrongthosefkdupexcusesfornursesanddoctors" .. Let's be clear: _you_ have it wrong.. Where is that article/citation that states that hemochromatosis and erythrocytosis are one and the same? >THAT is based on your extensive knowledge OF .. medicine .. It is based on information that can be verified by anyone willing to look it up. >Eh .. Although you have many, that has to be one of your more stupid tics. >In any event, if they say they are identical, then they are misinformed. (which I doubt--it's easier to believe that you have misunderstood--quite in character). < < I placed TWO .. different .. blood donor sites .. TWO .. called .. hemochromatosis .. erythrocytosis .. THAT is NOT .. misunderstanding .. that is .. UNDERSTANDING .. Then it should be easy for you to provide a link to an article or citation that verifies that. >>Why is it that research has SHOWN .. increased erythrocytes IN .. >>hemochromatosis .. and YOU .. don't ADMIT < > >I'm saying that they are _not_ one in the same as you're trying to >claim. < >Increased red blood cell count .. is NOT .. the SAME .. as .. >erythrocytosis ..? >I believe it . .is .. >Of course we could pull out a .. dictionary .. Since that is not what I wrote (I wrote that erythrocytosis is not the same as hemochromatosis), we are at the essence of who and what you are: You are a lying, snivelling, blustering, desperate piece of detritus who would do anything to avoid telling the truth. It's not even a matter of your being wrong anymore (although you are that). You are dishonest at your core, without a shred of decency or integrity. You attempt to obscure that with a lot of ignorant posturing and typographical idiocy because you think that people will not notice your vacuuity. The fact that you invoke the name of Jesus in every post is the ultimate hypocrisy. You are a dark and miserable creature who is hiding behind religion in a vain attempt to confer legitimacy on yourself. You're really useless. ><ironjust...@aol.com> wrote in message news:1117677625.816394.248240@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... That's it, mouth boy? Pretty impressive. A lot of ineffectual yap as usual. < < >Heh .. heh .. < >Heh, heh, as in "you punked out". What a surprise, zealot-boy. < Punked .. out .. ? Just .. WHAT .. did you .. expect .. ? I suppose the likes of a lying , waffling pcofsht like yourself could think up quite a few .. underhanded .. comebacks .. attacks .. ? Virus' .. ? Is that one of YOUR .. EFFECTUAL ..moves .. ? Heh .. heh .. I prefer hands .. on .. >Why is it that .. blood donor clinics .. call .. hemochromatosis .. >erythrocytosis .. and you don't .. ? < >Not just me. Everyone but you. So that's your source of information--blood donor clinics? That's like designing a car based on information from Jiffy-Lube. < < ????? < >It's called a "simile". I'd ask you to look it up, but I know that you prefer ignorance. << You AGAIN failed to answer WHY all your .. 'ilk' seem to agree the hemochromatosis IS .. "a category of erythrocytosis" .. >>So what YOU .. are .. saying .. IS .. >"theyfkggotitallwrongthosefkdupexcusesfornursesanddoctors" .. < Let's be clear: _you_ have it wrong.. Where is that article/citation that states that hemochromatosis and erythrocytosis are one and the same? < Let's be ..clear .. >"theyfkggotitallwrongthosefkdupexcusesfornursesanddoctors" .. < THAT .. is WHAT .. you are .. saying .. BE .. clear .. you little waffling little fkg pussy .. >THAT is based on your extensive knowledge OF .. medicine .. < >It is based on information that can be verified by anyone willing to look it up. < For .. sure .. TWO .. seperate .. blood donor clinics call hemochromatosis .. erythrocytosis .. AND .. I .. suppose .. if I were to supply one hundred fkg MORE of them .. your stance .. and stupidity would .. BE .. the .. same .. >Eh .. < >Although you have many, that has to be one of your more stupid tics. < You seem to quite adept at .. personal .. attack .. attempts .. Eh .. You have attempted to perfect that .. eh .. ya little fkg pussy .. >>In any event, if they say they are identical, then they are misinformed. (which I doubt--it's easier to believe that you have misunderstood--quite in character). < < < I placed TWO .. different .. blood donor sites .. TWO .. called .. hemochromatosis .. erythrocytosis .. THAT is NOT .. misunderstanding .. that is .. UNDERSTANDING .. < Then it should be easy for you to provide a link to an article or citation that verifies that. < I don't have .. to .. I supplied .. blood donor clinics .. WHO .. encompass .. a .. LARGE FKG NUMBER of doctors and nurses .. TRAINED .. in .. hemotology .. >>Why is it that research has SHOWN .. increased erythrocytes IN .. >>hemochromatosis .. and YOU .. don't ADMIT < < >I'm saying that they are _not_ one in the same as you're trying to >claim. < >Increased red blood cell count .. is NOT .. the SAME .. as .. >erythrocytosis ..? >I believe it . .is .. >Of course we could pull out a .. dictionary .. < Since that is not what I wrote (I wrote that erythrocytosis is not the same as hemochromatosis), < Waffle some fkg .. more .. ya fkg .. pusssiiiieeee ... we are at the essence of who and what you are: You are a lying, snivelling, blustering, desperate piece of detritus who would do anything to avoid telling the truth. < Heh .. heh .. You are really .. attempting .. to discredit the .. poster .. Eh .. Lying ? Sniveling .. ? Desperate . ? Blustering .. I .. might give you .. But the first .. three .. In the same .. vein .. give me a fkg .. citation .. you little fkg .. pussy .. You cannot / WILLNOT .. be able to .. admit .. erythrocytosis IS .. called .. hemochromatosis BY .. doctors and nurses AT .. EVERY .. blood donor clinic in the fkg .. world .. >It's not even a matter of your being wrong anymore (although you are that). You are dishonest at your core, without a shred of decency or integrity. << Did you read that one somewhere .. ? >You attempt to obscure that with a lot of ignorant posturing and typographical idiocy because you think that people will not notice your vacuuity. The fact that you invoke the name of Jesus in every post is the ultimate hypocrisy. You are a dark and miserable creature who is hiding behind religion in a vain attempt to confer legitimacy on yourself. You're really useless. << Jeez .. you really know how to hurt a .. guy .. Ya .. fkg .. little .. pussiiiieeee ... THAT .. is WHAT .. you .. are .. Budddiiieeee ... You have .. evidenced THAT .. many times .. Me .. ? I stick to my guns .. YOU .. 'don't like my sigline' .. Heh .. heh .. Whaaaaaaaaattttttt .. a .. litttttlllllllllle .. fkg .. pusssiiiiieeee .. Who loves ya. Tom That's it, mouth boy? Pretty impressive. A lot of ineffectual yap as usual . < < >Heh .. heh .. < >Heh, heh, as in "you punked out". What a surprise, zealot-boy. < Punked .. out .. ? Just .. WHAT .. did you .. expect .. ? >I suppose the likes of a lying , waffling pcofsht like yourself could >think up quite a few .. underhanded .. comebacks .. attacks .. ? >Virus' .. ? Is that one of YOUR .. EFFECTUAL ..moves .. ? >Heh .. heh .. >I prefer hands .. on .. That's what I'm looking for, wimp. Let's go, I like Calgary this time of year. You really ARE .. a piece of work .. You cannot .. understand .. medical studies .. And .. like .. I .. said .. You are a fkg .. pussy .. You will always .. BE .. a fkg .. pussy .. And .. you .. will .. have .. to .. just live with .. BEING .. a .. fkg .. pussy .. How .. DOES .. that .. feel .. TO BE .. and evidenced .. for ALL .. to see .. that .. THAT .. is .. ALL you fkg .. are .. Now .. I'll be looking forward to seeing .. ya .. Heh .. heh .. Who loves ya. Tom >Since that is not what I wrote (I wrote that erythrocytosis is not the same >as hemochromatosis), we are at the essence of who and what you are: You are [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >creature who is hiding behind religion in a vain attempt to confer >legitimacy on yourself. You're really useless. That got his homozygoat... >Provide even one citation that directly does just that: equates the two as exactly the same disorder.< Increased erythropoiesis .. IS .. erythrocytosis .. The INCREASED .. making .. OF .. red .. blood .. cells .. IS .. erythrocytosis .. <<snip>> CONCLUSIONS: There is evidence that HFE C282Y homozygotes display increased erythropoiesis, <<snip>> Haematologica. 2005 Feb;90(2):180-7. Related Articles, Links Changes in erythropoiesis in hereditary hemochromatosis are not mediated by HFE expression in nucleated red cells. Feeney GP, Carter K, Masters GS, Jackson HA, Cavil I, Worwood M. Department of Haematology, University Hospital of Wales and University of Wales College of Medicine, Heath Park, Cardiff CF14 4XN, UK. BACKGROUND AND OBJECTIVES: The HFE protein interacts with the transferrin receptor (TfR) to regulate cellular iron uptake. Nucleated erythroid cells have the highest number of TfR and the greatest iron uptake. The aim of this study was to investigate whether erythroid iron uptake is directly affected by HFE mutations. DESIGN AND METHODS: Iron status and erythropoiesis was investigated in sixty, asymptomatic HFE C282Y homozygotes. Reverse transcription-polymerase chain reaction, flow cytometry and immunocytochemistry were employed to investigate the HFE expression profile of normal peripheral blood, nucleated erythroid cells and several cultured cell lines. RESULTS: The HFE C282Y homozygous subjects showed subtle erythropoietic changes with raised transferrin saturation and reticulocyte counts and low-normal serum transferrin receptor levels, but normal erythrocyte count and mean cell volume. HFE mRNA was detected in macrophages and monocytes and HFE protein was detected in granulocytes and at low levels in monocytes. Cultured primary human erythroid colonies did not express HFE mRNA or protein. INTERPRETATION AND CONCLUSIONS: There is evidence that HFE C282Y homozygotes display increased plasma iron turnover and increased erythropoiesis, despite there being no evidence that HFE is expressed in erythroid colonies with a normal HFE genotype. It is likely that HFE mutations do not directly alter erythroid iron handling, but alter the supply of iron to the erythroid tissues. PMID: 15710569 [PubMed - in process] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now .. read .. my .. lips .. >>Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking< < You show a patient that has PV along with hemachromatosis. Here is the group of Sideroblastic anemia with iron overload Bull Acad Natl Med. 2004;188(2):247-62; discussion 262-3. Related Articles, Books, LinkOut [Genetics of hereditary iron overload] [Article in French] Le Gall JY, Jouanolle AM, Fergelot P, Mosser J, David V. UMR 6061, Faculte de Medecine CS34317-2, Avenue du Pr. Leon Bernard 35043-Rennes Cedex France. The classification of hereditary abnormalities of iron metabolism was recently expanded and diversified. Genetic hemochromatosis now corresponds to six diseases, namely classical hemochromatosis HFE 1; juvenile hemochromatosis HFE 2 due to mutations in an unidentified gene on chromosome 1; hemochromatosis HFE 3 due to mutations in the transferrin receptor 2 (TfR2); hemochromatosis HFE 4 caused by a mutation in the H subunit of ferritin; and hemochromatosis HFE 6 whose gene is hepcidine (HAMP). Systemic iron overload is also associated with aceruloplasminemia, atransferrinemia and the "Gracile" syndrome caused by mutations in BCS1L. The genes responsible for neonatal and African forms of iron overload are unknown. Other genetic diseases are due to localized iron overload: Friedreich's ataxia results from the expansion of triple nucleotide repeats within the frataxin (FRDA) gene; two forms of X-linked sideroblastic anemia are due to mutations within the delta aminolevulinate synthetase (ALAS 2) or ABC-7 genes; Hallervorden-Spatz syndrome is caused by a pantothenate kinase 2 gene (PANK-2) defect; neuroferritinopathies; and hyperferritinemia--cataract syndrome due to a mutation within the L-ferritin gene. In addition to this wide range of genetic abnormalities, two other features characterize these iron disorders: 1) most are transmitted by an autosomal recessive mechanism, but some, including hemochromatosis type 4, have dominant transmission; and 2) most correspond to cytosolic iron accumulation while some, like Friedreich's ataxia, are disorders of mitochondrial metabolism. Publication Types: Review Review, Tutorial PMID: 15506716 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] ironjustice@aol.com wrote (but apprently didn't understand): > See if you .. UNDERSTAND .. the article .. below .. > > If you don't .. > > Keep it to .. yourself .. <snip rest of quote in order to highlight the relevant conclusion> > " Our results support the evidence that there is no > association between these two conditions." Do you even read the stuff you post? Signature00doc You ..did .. obviously .. and came to the same conclusion as your fkdupbuddy .. THAT there is some reason I would be .. interested? .. in whether or not GENETICFKGHEMOCHROMATOSIS .. is .. 'related' .. TO .. polycythemia .. ? They found INCREASED RED BLOOD CELLS .. in .. hemochromatosis .. which made the researchers .. SUSPECT .. polycythemia .. was .. PRESENT .. but .. WHEN .. studied .. fkg closely .. they found the increased red blood cells / erythrocytosis IN hemochromatosis .. was/is NOT .. repeat NOT .. related TO .. polycythemia .. Meaning .. ? The erythrocytosis IN .. hemochromatosis is OBVIOUSLY .. caused by .. the hemochromatosis .. ITSELF .. Do you .. understand .. ? Let me repeat it for you .. They found INCREASED RED BLOOD CELLS .. in .. hemochromatosis .. which made the researchers .. SUSPECT .. polycythemia .. was .. PRESENT .. but .. WHEN .. studied .. fkg closely .. they found the increased red blood cells / erythrocytosis IN hemochromatosis .. was/is NOT .. repeat NOT .. related TO .. polycythemia .. Meaning .. ? The erythrocytosis IN .. hemochromatosis is OBVIOUSLY .. caused by .. the hemochromatosis .. ITSELF .. Do you .. understand .. ? Let me repeat it for you .. They found INCREASED RED BLOOD CELLS .. in .. hemochromatosis .. which made the researchers .. SUSPECT .. polycythemia .. was .. PRESENT .. but .. WHEN .. studied .. fkg closely .. they found the increased red blood cells / erythrocytosis IN hemochromatosis .. was/is NOT .. repeat NOT .. related TO .. polycythemia .. Meaning .. ? The erythrocytosis IN .. hemochromatosis is OBVIOUSLY .. caused by .. the hemochromatosis .. ITSELF .. Do you .. understand .. ? Let me repeat it for you .. They found INCREASED RED BLOOD CELLS .. in .. hemochromatosis .. which made the researchers .. SUSPECT .. polycythemia .. was .. PRESENT .. but .. WHEN .. studied .. fkg closely .. they found the increased red blood cells / erythrocytosis IN hemochromatosis .. was/is NOT .. repeat NOT .. related TO .. polycythemia .. Meaning .. ? The erythrocytosis IN .. hemochromatosis is OBVIOUSLY .. caused by .. the hemochromatosis .. ITSELF .. Do you .. understand .. ? Let it .. settle .. IN .. your pea-brain .. Who loves ya. Tom > You ..did .. obviously .. and came to the same conclusion as your > fkdupbuddy .. Yeah I understand. If you were on a street corner spouting that off I would give you 25 cents to get you out of my face. >> You ..did .. obviously .. and came to the same conclusion as your >> fkdupbuddy .. >> > Yeah I understand. If you were on a street corner spouting that off I > would > give you 25 cents to get you out of my face. I'd save the 25 cents. >>They found INCREASED RED BLOOD CELLS .. in .. hemochromatosis .. which made the researchers .. SUSPECT .. polycythemia .. was .. PRESENT .. but .. WHEN .. studied .. fkg closely .. they found the increased red blood cells / erythrocytosis IN hemochromatosis .. was/is NOT .. repeat NOT .. related TO .. polycythemia .. Meaning .. ? The erythrocytosis IN .. hemochromatosis is OBVIOUSLY .. caused by .. the hemochromatosis .. ITSELF .. Do you .. understand .. ? Let me repeat it for you .. They found INCREASED RED BLOOD CELLS .. in .. hemochromatosis .. which made the researchers .. SUSPECT .. polycythemia .. was .. PRESENT .. but .. WHEN .. studied .. fkg closely .. they found the increased red blood cells / erythrocytosis IN hemochromatosis .. was/is NOT .. repeat NOT .. related TO .. polycythemia .. Meaning .. ? The erythrocytosis IN .. hemochromatosis is OBVIOUSLY .. caused by .. the hemochromatosis .. ITSELF .. Do you .. understand .. ? Let me repeat it for you .. They found INCREASED RED BLOOD CELLS .. in .. hemochromatosis .. which made the researchers .. SUSPECT .. polycythemia .. was .. PRESENT .. but .. WHEN .. studied .. fkg closely .. they found the increased red blood cells / erythrocytosis IN hemochromatosis .. was/is NOT .. repeat NOT .. related TO .. polycythemia .. Meaning .. ? The erythrocytosis IN .. hemochromatosis is OBVIOUSLY .. caused by .. the hemochromatosis .. ITSELF .. Do you .. understand .. ? Let me repeat it for you .. They found INCREASED RED BLOOD CELLS .. in .. hemochromatosis .. which made the researchers .. SUSPECT .. polycythemia .. was .. PRESENT .. but .. WHEN .. studied .. fkg closely .. they found the increased red blood cells / erythrocytosis IN hemochromatosis .. was/is NOT .. repeat NOT .. related TO .. polycythemia .. Meaning .. ? The erythrocytosis IN .. hemochromatosis is OBVIOUSLY .. caused by .. the hemochromatosis .. ITSELF .. Do you .. understand .. ? Let it .. settle .. IN .. your pea-brain .. << >Who loves ya. Tom< >They found INCREASED RED BLOOD CELLS .. in .. hemochromatosis .. which made the researchers .. SUSPECT .. polycythemia .. was .. PRESENT .. but .. WHEN .. studied .. fkg closely .. they found the increased red blood cells / erythrocytosis IN hemochromatosis .. was/is NOT .. repeat NOT .. related TO .. polycythemia .. Meaning .. ? The erythrocytosis IN .. hemochromatosis is OBVIOUSLY .. caused by .. the hemochromatosis .. ITSELF .. Do you .. understand .. ? Let me repeat it for you .. They found INCREASED RED BLOOD CELLS .. in .. hemochromatosis .. which made the researchers .. SUSPECT .. polycythemia .. was .. PRESENT .. but .. WHEN .. studied .. fkg closely .. they found the increased red blood cells / erythrocytosis IN hemochromatosis .. was/is NOT .. repeat NOT .. related TO .. polycythemia .. Meaning .. ? The erythrocytosis IN .. hemochromatosis is OBVIOUSLY .. caused by .. the hemochromatosis .. ITSELF .. Do you .. understand .. ? Let me repeat it for you .. They found INCREASED RED BLOOD CELLS .. in .. hemochromatosis .. which made the researchers .. SUSPECT .. polycythemia .. was .. PRESENT .. but .. WHEN .. studied .. fkg closely .. they found the increased red blood cells / erythrocytosis IN hemochromatosis .. was/is NOT .. repeat NOT .. related TO .. polycythemia .. Meaning .. ? The erythrocytosis IN .. hemochromatosis is OBVIOUSLY .. caused by .. the hemochromatosis .. ITSELF .. Do you .. understand .. ? Let me repeat it for you .. They found INCREASED RED BLOOD CELLS .. in .. hemochromatosis .. which made the researchers .. SUSPECT .. polycythemia .. was .. PRESENT .. but .. WHEN .. studied .. fkg closely .. they found the increased red blood cells / erythrocytosis IN hemochromatosis .. was/is NOT .. repeat NOT .. related TO .. polycythemia .. Meaning .. ? The erythrocytosis IN .. hemochromatosis is OBVIOUSLY .. caused by .. the hemochromatosis .. ITSELF .. Do you .. understand .. ? Let it .. settle .. IN .. your pea-brain .. < Who loves ya. Tom >Let me repeat it for you .. >They found INCREASED RED BLOOD CELLS .. in .. hemochromatosis .. which [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >The erythrocytosis IN .. hemochromatosis is OBVIOUSLY .. caused by .. >the hemochromatosis .. ITSELF .. Tom, why don't you pick up a phone and call your local hospital. Speak to one of their Hematologists. It is generally recognized that hypoxia (due to iron toxicity) is the impetus for the development of erythrocytosis in hemochromatosis. You may also find that in the real world, hemochromatosis is considered separately from other diseases which present with erythrocytosis, such as PV, etc. >Do you .. understand .. ? I think so. >Let it .. settle .. IN .. your pea-brain .. Thanks, I will. >Who loves ya. >Tom Uh huh. >On 1 Jun 2005 19:06:59 -0700, "ironjust...@aol.com" <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote: >Let me repeat it for you .. >They found INCREASED RED BLOOD CELLS .. in .. hemochromatosis .. which >made the researchers .. SUSPECT .. polycythemia .. was .. PRESENT .. >but .. WHEN .. studied .. fkg closely .. they found the increased red >blood cells / erythrocytosis IN hemochromatosis .. was/is NOT .. repeat >NOT .. related TO .. polycythemia .. >Meaning .. ? >The erythrocytosis IN .. hemochromatosis is OBVIOUSLY .. caused by .. >the hemochromatosis .. ITSELF .. <> Tom, why don't you pick up a phone and call your local hospital. Speak to one of their Hematologists. It is generally recognized that hypoxia (due to iron toxicity) is the impetus for the development of erythrocytosis in hemochromatosis. You may also find that in the real world, hemochromatosis is considered separately from other diseases which present with erythrocytosis, such as PV, etc. < What .. PART .. of .. theophylline .. lowers red blood cell count .. and what PART .. of .. erythrocytosis BEING .. in .. asthma .. don't you .. understand .. ? What .. PART .. of 'generally accepted' .. don't you .. understand .. ? I .. don't HAVE to 'accept' .. anything .. I placed a medical study .. and what .. happened .. Two-bit .. attacks .. Heh .. heh .. The blood donor clinics CALL IT ERYTHROCYTOSIS .. increased blood cells .. AND .. two seperate articles have the researchers .. EXPLAINING .. EXPLAINING .. EXPLAINING .. they TOO .. have found .. erythrocytosis .. IN .. those with iron load .. So that is EVERY BLOOD DONOR CLINIC IN THE WORLD .. I .. assume .. reviewed by MANY .. doctors and nurses .. AND two SEPERATE .. recent .. let me repeat .. RECENT .. studies .. VERIFYING .. the previously .. mentioned .. "every blood donor clinic in the world" .. findings .. And what 'type' .. of .. 'refutation' .. do I .. run .. into .. ? "Desperate , coniving , lying .. blustering" No .. 'refutation' .. OF .. the medical studies .. JUST .. pussy .. attacks .. Now .. YOU.. haven't .. witnessed .. this .. ? Who loves ya. Tom >So that is EVERY BLOOD DONOR CLINIC IN THE WORLD .. I .. assume .. You assume too much; force it into your paradigm, and then jihad the daylights out of everybody. >reviewed by MANY .. doctors and nurses .. AND two SEPERATE .. recent .. >let me repeat .. RECENT .. studies .. VERIFYING .. the previously .. >mentioned .. "every blood donor clinic in the world" .. findings .. What do you have against calling a Hematologist for some clarification? >And what 'type' .. of .. 'refutation' .. do I .. run .. into .. ? Reactions in kind. What do you expect? >"Desperate , coniving , lying .. blustering" > >No .. 'refutation' .. OF .. the medical studies .. > >JUST .. pussy .. attacks .. You dishonor yourself using this phraseology, IMO. >Reactions in kind. What do you expect? < Look .. Bob .. I've had my servers REVIEW .. my .. conduct .. They begged attackers to .. back off .. due to THEIR own reviews of the postings in which I .. do not .. attack .. I .. reciprocate .. You attack me .. I attack .. back .. Then they 'complain' .. repeatedly .. to my server .. and attack my servers / ISP .. >"Desperate , coniving , lying .. blustering" >No .. 'refutation' .. OF .. the medical studies .. >JUST .. pussy .. attacks .. < >You dishonor yourself using this phraseology, IMO. < Ok . bob .. give me a .. synonym .. for one who .. takes underhanded tactics , lies , waffles , attacks personally , abuses , EVERY trick in the book .. which a .. man .. would not use .. What word would you use OTHER .. than .. pussy .. ? Who loves ya. Tom >>You dishonor yourself using this phraseology, IMO. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >What word would you use OTHER .. than .. pussy .. ? Human. No one will blame you if you just give up, CBI. Joy OK .. Joy.. what did YOU .. 'take home' .. in the study .. ? Did it say .. "we suspected polycythemia .. but when checked closely we found it was not related to polycythemia .. " .. ? Is that what YOU .. understood .. ? Who loves ya. Tom Polycythemia = too many red blood cells. Hemochromatosis = too much iron. Apples and oranges. Get over it. Mark, MD The question is .. pal .. does the article state .. "we thought there might be polycythemia present and this was due to the findings of all the hallmarks OF polycythemia .. but when we checked more closely .. it was NOT polycythemia .. after all .." .. THAT is the question .. Answer it .. Pretty simple .. Who loves ya. Tom PS - Polycythemia = too many red blood cells = erythrocytosis Hemochromatosis = too much iron = erythrocytosis Get over it .. Bone up .. Do your fkg .. job .. I'm really getting tired of doing it for ya .. Ya .. dig .. ? Who loves ya. Tom |
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