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Merlin - 12 May 2005 05:01 GMT
I was asked to give an opinion on a home by the couples son for his
parents, an elderly couple, residing in a moderate surburban area.
He was seventythree, she was sixtyeight.
He had quite severe asthma and regularly used a venolin type machine
for medication application.
The basic location had no apparent problem or industrial type sources
within five kilometers and nothing was obvious in a ten kilometer
upwind silhouette considering normal wind/weather direction.
The home was wooden construction located in a flat area, no apparent
run-off or seepage of any description and was on lowset vertical piles,
complete aeration underneath.
There was no apparent chemical residue in the soil beneath the home and
the property had no trees or any plants that were considered as
possible problem sources.
The grass was broadleaf variety usually not problematic.
No fungal sources were apparent.
On entering the home there were aromatic substances obviously present.
(quite strong)
A cursory examination of various rooms found myriad aromatic sources.
These ranged from anti-perspirants, shampoos, hairspray, soaps,
airspray and airfresheners, disinfectants, washaids, rinseaids,
fabric-softener, toilet area aromatic blocks, mothballs, female
perfumed items, kitchen aromatic cleaners, aromatic detergent, insect
sprays and other items.
The carpets were very old, and had been impregnated with a scent of
some kind.
All bedding was scented.
The roof cavity was clear, no apparent problems of any kind.
The windows were all barred with substantial welded anti-breakin
screens.
The windows were closed with screws and could not be opened.
The front door was also screwed closed, the only entrance was through
the rear door.
Ventilation was either through high wall mounted vents or with a couple
of wall mounted airconditioners or the back door being left open.
The home was perfectly clean and well ordered.
I finished my inspection and sat down with the couple who were quite
intrigued in my indepth note taking and began asking them questions.
How long had he had his asthma problem? he replied "fifteen years".
Was there any previous family problem of the asthmatic type? he replied
"no".
Did anything odd occur in the immediate period prior to your asthma
beginning, like the previous six to eight months? He replied "no".
Did you undergo an operation or have some major illness in the period
before the problem? he replied "no".
Did you have any major dental work done in that period? he replied
"yes, he had some teeth out and got a plate made"
Was any infection involved? he replied "yes, that was the reason for
the dental work and the plate being made, he had a problem with an
abccess and terrible pain problems with rotten teeth"
Would you have by any chance been given antibiotics for that problem?
he replied "yes, the dentist gave him a course of antibiotics before he
could do the work"
Several other questions were asked about how his problem began,
originating from the relentless cough which had been classed as
bronchitis by his doctor to the first asthmatic event which occurred
shortly after, within a six month period, or so..
I asked why the windows were screwed closed? he replied "they had a
break-in and were scared to leave the house afterward, that was why the
security was so prominent"!
I asked why there were heaters present in a couple of the rooms?
(unused at that time) he replied "he had a problem and had a stroke and
since then was taking daily aspirin and he felt cold all the time"!
I asked if he was aware that might affect his asthma? he answered
"yes".
This couple were the nicest people you could imagine, they were
extremely close and spent much of their time sitting together watching
TV under a handmade knitted quilt, which had obviously been liberally
sprinkled with eucalyptus oil or concentrate.
I suggested that there were numerous things they could do that would
help ease his asthmatic situation but the answer was, "we haven't long
to go, so really didn't wan't to change anything"!
I explained my suspicions to the son and that was the end of that
matter.
Rather tragic but not uncommon.
For my own interest this would have to be at least my twentieth
examination of an asthmatics circumstance that has involved adult onset
asthma and has had a similar background with dental work or minor
surgical work involving antibiotics previous to the event, in the past
thirty years..
I would be interested in any similar situations with adult onset asthma
and these kinds of circumstances.
Although these kinds of problems can be overcome by carefully
identifying and removing the source elements, it may not always be a
comfortable solution and not positively a fix, so I did achieve my aim
of information collection and the subject remains status quo.
I don't believe that man has much time left, and do feel sorry for the
wife of fifty years.  
Cheers, Merlin.
ARoberts - 14 May 2005 02:49 GMT
>I was asked to give an opinion on a home by the couples son for his
> parents, an elderly couple, residing in a moderate surburban area.
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> wife of fifty years.
> Cheers, Merlin.

What a coincidence, I had exactly the same experience.
Merlin - 17 May 2005 04:09 GMT
> What a coincidence, I had exactly the same experience.

Well Mr. Roberts, that is interesting.
Of these kinds of subjects that I have had experience with, if they
follow a properly considered ongoing lifestyle re-arrangement and
desensitisation routine as suggested by Dr. Murphy, then their problem
usually eases and reasonable normality generally rapidly returns,
dependent on their problem severity and period involved.
You would be well aware that the majority of my real interest here
involves examining the actual conditions where these kinds of
circumstances exist, and how they may have originated which I have been
doing now for 35 years.
Any points gleaned from this exercise reinforce my experience and are
helpful further in other situations.
I do offer these people the desense information which the majority find
too incredible and may only adopt some of the easier points involved,
either way it is a win for them, whether they apply any of the ideas is
up to them, my reward apart from the experience gained is the odd
person that actually follows the procedures accurately and being able
to follow their future situations. (some for twenty years or more)
One of the more interesting kinds of results is where a sufferer
normalises and has a shaky first couple of years before entering into a
completely different health area.
Whereas that person may have had antibiotic courses a couple of times
each year previous to trying Murphy's ideas, their illness rate
generally reduces and although they still suffer with various flu and
viral kinds of ailments periodically, which now require careful
nursing, their overall general health improves significantly such that
they rarely require to visit doctors at all. This is especially evident
after seven years or so.
Dr. Murphy originally explained to me that the antibiotics were
responsible for destruction of blood elements such as antibodies etc
which were beneficial to a subjects well being and general health, this
was in 1969/70.
Several reports to this effect have surfaced since that period but the
most significant advance has been Gary Huffnagle's team of researchers
at Michigan, coupled with the probiotic information from another
source.
In that I have been specifically asking questions of sufferers about
antibiotic use with the possiblility that they were somehow causing
their problem, my infomation experience is different to mainstream.
Another interesting point with adult onset asthma is that although the
onset usually begins after a mentioned kind of originating situation,
the endless coughing or bronchial type problem is usually treated by
further antibiotic courses where the doctor involved tries different
antibiotic types in an attempt trying to help the subject but which of
course in reality obviously has the opposite effect..
I have a doctor friend whose daughter developed the problem and this is
exactly what happened, so apart from learning from subject debriefing
information, I now had both sides of the story in actual fact.
A further interesting point with this kind of asthmatic is that most
often they will have a major problem cause being either carpet or
aromatic substance sourced or both, sometimes with incredible
increasing allergic effect.
My interest in examination of home situations is mainly to determine
what elements might be worth considering if the subject were to persist
with proper allergy testing although as you would be aware a highly
sensitive subject will react to virtually anything which distorts the
picture completely but basic onsite experience does allow a general
best guess which is usually very accurate.
If your problem is as you suggest, you would most probably relate to
this kind of category or understand what I mean, you may also
appreciate the reason for my interest in this area.
It commonly happens where if this problem exists, the subject will
experience a sneezing attack upon entering the home after it has been
closed for a day or so. This is a good pointer to suspect carpets if
all aromatics have been removed from the equation.
This is very common and is a standard question I always ask.
In this particular circumstance we are talking airborne substances
apart from dust, which would likely be settled in that instance. These
other substances from experience obviously generate in the carpet base
material.
Another interesting point is that more often cut pile carpets appear to
more often have problems or be involved. You would appreciate the point
effect of fibres which I suspect involves ionising promoting static
charge effects.
Loop pile carpet does not appear to demonstrate anywhere near the same
airborne charge effect and of course airborne dust retention. This was
very noticeable in a negative ionising experiment I ran.
I would be interested in your comments with all these points.
I would further suggest to you that people in this category generally
respond  very well to Dr. Murphy's routines.
Cheers, Merlin.
 
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