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Enma - 02 May 2005 00:01 GMT
I was diagnosed with asthma several years ago.  Have had frequent bouts of
pneumonia and bronchitis. But I have a new lung problem.

I have been coughing almost non-stop for the past several days.  No fever,
no runny nose or any other usual signs of a cold.  I just have a massive
headache, feel very tired, my chest feels congested and I just cough and
cough.  The cough is mostly unproductive, just a dry hacking cough.  I cough
so hard, that I throw up.

Other than the cough, my breathing is fine.  Is this just a new stop along
the fun road to Asthmaville?

I live in a rural area and don't really have an "asthma doctor, per se, just
my regular Internal Medicine guy.  I hate to go, he always acts like I'm a
hypochondriac as it is and with no fever, not sure if it's anything to be
concerned about.
Thanks in advance for any info
Merlin - 02 May 2005 09:35 GMT
G'day Emma, my interest in this kind of thing is really trying to
identify what causes these kinds of things to occur. My interest is in
allergy related situations, I am not a medical person.
The history you mention has probably involved a substantial antibiotic
history which by general evidence is heavily involved in these kinds of
problems. The pneumonia is a common result.
It would appear most likely that your problem would be associated with
an airborne dust or substance problem, probably present in your home
and likely in your bedroom.
This could be related to carpet and substances from them or chemical
perfumes, pets and that kind of thing.
It may be in your interest to google "Gary Huffnagle's Research" you
may find this interesting.
There are many things that can be done to improve this kind of problem
without resorting to drugs.
Cheers, qldit.
Joy - 02 May 2005 10:58 GMT
Enma,

I was just like you - dry hacking cough and coughing until I threw up are so
familiar. I coughed even in my sleep!  The fact that you are tired, have
frequent bouts of pneumonia and headaches may be a sign that you have an
infection. Some of us with similar backgrounds have followed the advice of
Dr Hahn and taken antibiotics long term to resolve this type of cough
variant asthma.
http://www.asthmastory.com/cp.asp

I hope you can find a doctor to help you. I think that if you review the
forum postings at Jim Quinlan's site, you can judge for yourself if the
antibiotics will help you and if it is worth the effort it is going to take
to talk a doc into them.  : )

Joy
> I was diagnosed with asthma several years ago.  Have had frequent bouts of
> pneumonia and bronchitis. But I have a new lung problem.
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> concerned about.
> Thanks in advance for any info
Merlin - 03 May 2005 01:42 GMT
G'day Emma, well you may have gathered there are at least two schools
of thought with the problem you are experiencing.
It is quite obvious that the same symptoms to allergy type asthma can
be caused by "bugs" (for wan't of a better term)
These could be chlamydia or others and by Joy's experience would appear
to respond to long-term antibiotic treatment, and would probably be
easiest referred to as "bug type" they are difficult to diagnose and
difficult to obtain the treatment required..
There is also the allergy type problem which quite obviously commonly
does involve frivolous antibiotic useage and the immune system
degradation.
More generally the allergy problem is generated over time and if the
problem substances are repeatedly encountered can establish a greater
sensitivity and increased allergen problems usually also involving
hayfever and those kinds of problems.
A similar coughing problem can also be apparent but generally will
progress into a worse problem with time and quantity of problem
substance exposure.
This problem can be addressed by a desensitisation routine and
identified with allergy testing.
There are natural methods of achieving this kind of result which do not
include medication and does provide address for the symptoms, including
the "dopiness" or lethargy which often accompany the problem as it
worsens.
Cheers, Merlin
Joy - 03 May 2005 05:58 GMT
And aren't you glad you asked.  : )

Speaking of "dopiness."

Joy
> G'day Emma, well you may have gathered there are at least two schools
> of thought with the problem you are experiencing.
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> worsens.
> Cheers, Merlin
jackmallory@webtv.net - 08 May 2005 16:15 GMT
Sounds like having your physician is worse than no doctor at all.

What are you taking, Enma?   At least albuterol and Atrovent
(ipratropim) or Spiriva (tiotropium) right?  And a topical steroid,
hopefully Pulmicort, Advair or Flovent?

My news is this:  a couple sprays of Atrovent can relieve the dry,
unproductive cough.  It does for me from time to time.

If you take Spiriva you may have to redose with it four to six hours
later, as, we are told, the Atrovent tends to block the Spiriva.---Jack
suzanne winter - 06 Jun 2005 20:02 GMT
just to add more things into the pot

chronic cough can be caused by several things

infection - viral or bacterial or rarely fugal
asthma- where you cough instead of or as well as wheeze
post nasal drip - an ENT problem treated with nasal topical steroids +/-
antibiotics
gastric reflux - treated with anti-acid meds
drug side effects - ACE inhibitors, Beta blockers, and in some Ipratropim
(atrovent) can cause cough (plus others I suspect)
an obstructive process in the airways - tumour, goitre
Smoking
environmental polutants

Also there is no point in taking Tiotropium and atrovent at the same time
they both block  the same receptors in the airways and as Tiotropium has an
active time of 36 hours no atrovent could bind during this time (drug
company recomends stopping atrovent completely when on tiotropium, no safety
evidence for being on both, except for short term nebulised atrovent with
tiotropium in hospitalised patients 2-3 days max) Tiotropium is sold on he
fact that it actively competes for these receptors and usually wins.

> Sounds like having your physician is worse than no doctor at all.
>
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> If you take Spiriva you may have to redose with it four to six hours
> later, as, we are told, the Atrovent tends to block the Spiriva.---Jack
 
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