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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Asthma / April 2005Correct breathing, buteyko resource recommendations
Hi, I am beginning to investigate correct breathing/buteyko techniques and wonder if someone can suggest some good online resources and/or books on this subject? Also, have any of you tried this and, if so, have you found it good, bad, brilliant, indifferent? There are so many books and websites out there I am having trouble working out which ones are good and which ones are not. Btw, how would correct breathing/buteyko techniques help the 'tight chest' feeling? Isn't a tight chest a physical issue? Thanks, J. >Hi, > >I am beginning to investigate correct breathing/buteyko techniques and >wonder if someone can suggest some good online resources and/or books on >this subject? There are none. In fact you should ask them: "If their technique is so great how come in the past 45 years they have been unable to scientifically demonstrate the central theory? B* is a scam. >Btw, how would correct breathing/buteyko techniques help the 'tight chest' >feeling? Isn't a tight chest a physical issue? They don't. "The commander in the field is always right and the rear echelon is wrong, unless proved otherwise." General Colin Powell >>Hi, >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > rear echelon is wrong, unless proved otherwise." > General Colin Powell OK, good info - I wanted people's opinions on Buteyko also. J. > OK, good info - I wanted people's opinions on Buteyko also. I personally believe some people benefit, and clearly not everyone does benefit. However, it is not a cure as they claim (it doesn't cause cancer remissions either as Buteyko stated) and it is not your parent's fault because you were poorly parented as they claim or because you are overbreathing due to stress. You can pretty much tell if it is going to help you by following the directions found on the internet and save yourself some money. I personally wouldn't recommend them - they tell people to go without their rescue inhalers and a few people have gotten into trouble following that advice. Joy I should add that everyone here is pretty sick of the B problem and you should "google" the Google Newsgroups if you really want to read up. For the most part, if you don't like the B people and post about it here, they will call you names. And if you do like them, no one in here will be very receptive. So just bringing it up is a mistake, you see (hint). I hope you appreciate these comments in the light in which they were intended. Joy > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > J. Visit http://members.westnet.com.au/pkolb/buteyko.htm for more info. >> Hi, >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Visit http://members.westnet.com.au/pkolb/buteyko.htm for more info. And notice that they do not refer you to an actual medical association. Your best bet is to stay away from these people. "The commander in the field is always right and the rear echelon is wrong, unless proved otherwise." General Colin Powell >>> Hi, >>> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Your best bet is to stay away from these people. I agree. They have more in common with marketing than with medicine. Hi. The bronchospasm isn't present the period of a breath and is during an exhalation during a respiratory cycle at an attack of a bronchial asthma. Why? Something appears during exhalation and causes the bronhospasm. The method B eliminate it. raval >Hi. > >The bronchospasm isn't present the period of a breath and is during an >exhalation during a respiratory cycle at an attack of a bronchial asthma. >Why? Something appears during exhalation and causes the bronhospasm. The >method B eliminate it. Wrong. Bronchospasm is present during both inhalation and exhalation. The difference has to do with how we breathe. When we inhale, the diaphragm moves down increasing the volume of the lungs. This creates a lower air pressure in the lungs where the surrounding air is pushed in by the weight of the atmosphere above us. Exhalation (under normal circumstances) is a different process. When we exhale all we are doing is relaxing and allowing the natural tension and weight of our rib cage and chest to push the air out. During an asthma attack inhalation is still easy because we still have all the weight of the atmosphere pushing the air into the lungs. Exhalation can become more problematic as the air passages are smaller and it takes more time for the air to exit by our simply relaxing. What we do to compensate us use or diaphragm, chest, shoulder and back muscles to push the air out. (This is why chest and back muscle soreness is a symptom of an asthma flare.) Basically, 'raval' if you do not understand the physiology of breathing - how can you claim to have a 'better way?' "The commander in the field is always right and the rear echelon is wrong, unless proved otherwise." General Colin Powell Wrong? You don't know it and try to treat asthma. I am admired. The recurrent episodes of airflow limitation in astma have four forms. Acute bronchoconstriction, swelling of the airway wall, chronic mucus plug formation, airway wall remodeling. Do You know it? Wrong? raval > Wrong? You don't know it and try to treat asthma. I am admired. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Do You know it? Wrong? He is knows all about it. It is you who have been wrong about nearly everything you have said. Since on of the things you guys like to do is to stay visible and continue to confuse the issues with endless arguing I am not going to get into it with you. If anyone doesn't already know the truth they have a few options. 1) Believe you. That would be fine by me. It just makes me think of the saying about a fool and his money. In this case add his health. 2) Believe the rest of the regular posters here and forget about But* and ignore the likes of you. 3) Google the group and review the rpevious discussion.  Signature00doc You haven't answered my question. It speaks about yuor level of knowlege. Thank You very much! raval >You haven't answered my question. It speaks about yuor level of knowlege. > >Thank You very much! What makes you think I tried? I was simply pointing out the fact that you have no clue. "The commander in the field is always right and the rear echelon is wrong, unless proved otherwise." General Colin Powell I have known your level of knowledge. Thanks! raval >I have known your level of knowledge. So you admit that I corrected your misconceptions about the subject? "The commander in the field is always right and the rear echelon is wrong, unless proved otherwise." General Colin Powell I admit that level of your knowledge has been very low, and you are happy with it. I knew it twenty years ago and also had been happy. Now I see, how many people recover from asthma. It is pleasant to me. You wish to make me is younger for twenty years. It would be desirable, but it is impossible. Thank you very much! raval . You wish to > make me is younger for twenty years. It would be desirable, but it is > impossible. ?????!!!! >. You wish to >> make me is younger for twenty years. It would be desirable, but it is >> impossible. > >?????!!!! He's ravaled alright. >I admit that level of your knowledge has been very low, and you are happy >with it. I knew it twenty years ago and also had been happy. Now I see, >how many people recover from asthma. It is pleasant to me. You wish to >make me is younger for twenty years. It would be desirable, but it is >impossible. If you think you know more than myself - why did your first post contain basic factual errors that I had to correct? "The commander in the field is always right and the rear echelon is wrong, unless proved otherwise." General Colin Powell Do you speak about bronchospasm? It is a special case from the answer to a question, what does factor suddenly appear almost right after began an exhalation, practically blocking breath, and rather quickly disappear by the end of exhalation during respiratory cycle at attack of bronchial asthma. Your correct hasn't been the answer to this question. raval >Do you speak about bronchospasm? It is a special case from the answer to a >question, what does factor suddenly appear almost right after began an >exhalation, practically blocking breath, and rather quickly disappear by >the end of exhalation during respiratory cycle at attack of bronchial >asthma. Your correct hasn't been the answer to this question. My answer was a correction of your mistake in thinking that the above even occurs. I simply pointed out to you where you made your mistake and provided the correct information on what is happening. "The commander in the field is always right and the rear echelon is wrong, unless proved otherwise." General Colin Powell You haven't answered my last question. It has been possibly border of your knowledge. Thank you very much! raval > You haven't answered my last question. It has been possibly border of your > knowledge. > > Thank you very much! > > raval "It has been possibly border of your knowledge"? What the hell does that even mean? You are either begging for attention or enjoy having Colin point out how foolish you sound. Life is uncertain.......eat dessert first! Nancy 8=: ) >> You haven't answered my last question. It has been possibly border of your >> knowledge. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >that even mean? You are either begging for attention or enjoy having >Colin point out how foolish you sound. And the issue he fails to accept is that his question was based on something that is completely non-factual. His demanding an answer is like somebody demanding that: if the moon is made of cheese - where are the cows? Since the moon is not made of cheese there is no answer at all to the cows question. "The commander in the field is always right and the rear echelon is wrong, unless proved otherwise." General Colin Powell the cow jumped over the moon, remember? someone must have milked it really quick while hover over the moon. i believe there is an english speaking barrier and it is not colin. raval, you speak with broken tongue, and not all the words are of creme cheese. You asked if Colin was speaking about bronchospasm and to date, the deffinition of bronchospasm is unrefutably found in any Webster Dictionary as to the concise meaning. So I have begun to read this page and i have no dang idea what the heck y'all are disputing. can someone please halter up that dang cow and explain it to me. Always, ..· ´¨¨)) -:¦:- ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ((¸¸.·´ ..·´ cloud -:¦:- -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´* >>> You haven't answered my last question. It has been possibly border of >>> your [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > rear echelon is wrong, unless proved otherwise." > General Colin Powell >the cow jumped over the moon, remember? someone must have milked it really >quick while hover over the moon. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >dang idea what the heck y'all are disputing. can someone please halter up >that dang cow and explain it to me. Basically he thinks that bronchospasm only occurs when exhaling and 'turns off' when inhaling. He asked a question about how this occurs. I pointed out that this does not occur. "The commander in the field is always right and the rear echelon is wrong, unless proved otherwise." General Colin Powell >the cow jumped over the moon, remember? someone must have milked it really >quick while hover over the moon. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >dang idea what the heck y'all are disputing. can someone please halter up >that dang cow and explain it to me. Haven't you herd? His is a theory of udder ravalativity, steered astray by the milky B*'s. >the cow jumped over the moon, remember? someone must have milked it really >quick while hover over the moon. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >dang idea what the heck y'all are disputing. can someone please halter up >that dang cow and explain it to me. Haven't you herd? His is a theory of udder ravalativity, steered astray by the milky B*'s. >the cow jumped over the moon, remember? someone must have milked it really >quick while hover over the moon. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >dang idea what the heck y'all are disputing. can someone please halter up >that dang cow and explain it to me. Haven't you herd? His is a theory of udder ravalativity, steered astray by the milky B*'s. >the cow jumped over the moon, remember? someone must have milked it really >quick while hover over the moon. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >dang idea what the heck y'all are disputing. can someone please halter up >that dang cow and explain it to me. Haven't you herd? His is a theory of udder ravalativity, steered astray by the milky B*'s. > You haven't answered my last question. It has been possibly border of your > knowledge. > > Thank you very much! > > raval If nothing else, your senseless musings have demonstrated the vacuous character of the B* cult. No--thank you! |
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