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Daily Drugs Not Always Needed for Mild Asthma - Study

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Don Brady - 14 Apr 2005 10:48 GMT
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,153393,00.html

"Many adults with mild persistent asthma may not need daily inhaled steroid
treatments to adequately control the condition, according to findings from a
new government study.

The surprising results could lead to a change in treatment guidelines for
asthma, which currently call for daily therapy with inhaled steroids even in
those that do not have daily symptoms."

.......
00doc - 14 Apr 2005 15:11 GMT
> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,153393,00.html
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> asthma, which currently call for daily therapy with inhaled steroids even in
> those that do not have daily symptoms."

Eh, I wouldn't get too excited.

The current guidlines say that if you are having symptoms more than 2-3
times per week you should be on daily meds. These guys are talking
about people who have the sx's 2-3 times per week but not daily - i.e
<7 times per week - basically asthmatics with symptoms between 3-6
times per week. That has got to be a small percentage of people. As
proof of this consider that the study was conducted at 6 centers over 2
years - all to recruit 255 people.

Indeed, it turns out that the asthmatics in this study were
exceptionally mild - with only two exacerbations per year even when off
of meds. As a reviewer* describes: "Moreover, since the population and
the design of the study by Boushey et al. differ from those of the two
previous studies supporting the need for regular treatment,3,4 the
results are not directly comparable. Although the lung function of the
subjects in the study by Boushey et al. was similar to that in the two
previous studies,3,4 only adults who were nonsmokers and who had a much
longer history of asthma and a lower incidence of exacerbations were
included (the other studies included smokers and children). Moreover,
the low percentage of eosinophils in the sputum and the low
concentration of nitric oxide in the exhaled air, both markers of the
severity of asthma, suggest that the patients enrolled by Boushey et
al. had a very mild form of persistent asthma.11,12 To complicate
matters, before randomization, all patients received about two weeks of
treatment with clinical doses of oral and inhaled corticosteroids and
zafirlukast. Thus, the initial intensive treatment and the
symptom-based plan to treat exacerbations may have had a carryover
effect, contributing to a reduction in asthma symptoms and in the
number and severity of exacerbations in the patients studied."

Also consider that some caution would be needed before adopting the
approach they suggest, using intermittent inhaled steroids with
exacerbations, since other research suggests that once an exacerbation
is underway adding or increasing inhaled steroids does little and oral
steroids are needed. (To be precise, 2 studies have shown that doubling
the dose is inneffective while one studiy showed that quadrupling it
is).

Over-all, their conclusions is reasonable: "It may be possible to treat
mild persistent asthma with short, intermittent courses of inhaled or
oral corticosteroids taken when symptoms worsen. Further studies are
required to determine whether this novel approach to treatment should
be recommended."

The reviewer concludes: "In the meantime, will the results of this
study change our clinical practice? They may indeed, since the option
of intermittent treatment with inhaled corticosteroids complies with
the philosophy of achieving and maintaining control of asthma with the
least amount of medication.1,2 This approach may be feasible in
patients with mild persistent asthma who have never received
corticosteroids, but such patients should have the same characteristics
as the patients in the study by Boushey et al., and the initial period
of intensive treatment should not be omitted. Patients should be
informed about the pros and cons of this strategy, including the
absence of a risk of major adverse events (severe exacerbations and
hospitalization) as well as the slightly increased risk of a greater
number of days with symptoms.

Intermittent treatment might also be offered to patients with mild
persistent asthma as an intermediate step to the withdrawal of
controller medication, if their disease is well controlled by regular
treatment with inhaled corticosteroids. The chief concern in
recommending this intermittent-treatment plan is that it requires a
very careful assessment of the severity of asthma, the risk being that
an underestimation of severity may be associated with undertreatment of
patients with more severe asthma.4

The paradigm that inhaled corticosteroids control asthma because they
suppress airway inflammation is appealing, but it is not really
supported by solid data, since other treatments that inhibit airway
inflammation are clinically ineffective.15 At the present time, the
treatment of asthma should still be based on patient-centered outcomes,
with the use of the least amount of medication required to achieve
control. With this approach, the severity of asthma will be reflected
by the amount of medication required to maintain control, and the
border between different levels of severity, and particularly between
mild intermittent and mild persistent asthma, may become blurred."

It was a small study carried on for a year in a group of patients in
which you expect  a low event rate (meaning that you need a lot of data
to find differences). I think that the reviewer has a point that this
may be useful now as a weaning step in well controlled asthmatics on
daily meds with virtually no sx's (OK twice a year) looking to cut down
further. For everyone else more study will be needed.

* Leonardo M. Fabbri, M.D. NEJM Volume 352:1589-1591

--
00doc

P.S. As a side note - Fox News?   That network is nothing but a blatant
propaganda network and its viewers have been shown to be misinformed.
If you haven't rented and watched a movie called "Outfoxed" you should
(really, everyone should - it is pretty amazing stuff). Why not try CNN
(or better yet the BBC)?
Ted Edwards - 14 Apr 2005 17:45 GMT
> Eh, I wouldn't get too excited.

> The current guidlines say that if you are having symptoms more than 2-3
> times per week you should be on daily meds.

I have COPD and, while it's not asthma per-se, it's a kissi'n cousin.
I'm on Serevent, Atrovent and Pulmicort with Salbutamol as rescue.  The
Pulmicort, if you aren't familiar with it, is a cortico-steroid.

Now, while I'm willing to take meds I *need*, I don't like to take more
than necessary.  It is also relevent that I do a fair bit of
programming.  When I was first diagnosed back in '93 I wrote a program
to record and plot my PEF each time I took my meds.

In consultation with my doctor, we agreed with my suggestion that I
should ween myself off the steroid and see what happens.  I did and it
was clear after a couple weeks that the Pulmicirt was a Good Thing.

Even if you don't program, you can record and plot the results of any
med change.  That way you _know_ what effects the change made.  Note
that any change can take a while to show up so don't panic over one or
two or three bad (or good, for that matter) days.

Ted
Murray Grossan - 15 Apr 2005 04:21 GMT
On 4/14/05 9:45 AM, in article 67x7e.25920$VF5.3972@edtnps89, "Ted Edwards"
<Ted_Espamless@telus.net> wrote:

>> Eh, I wouldn't get too excited.
>
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>
> Ted
That report on not needing medications is confusing even to me.

In the best of all worlds, we would take no medications, period. But the
alterative for asthmatics is not a happy one - congestion, infection, etc
etc. Asthma is an inflammatory disease. If you control, reduce the
inflammation you avoid complications.
Every person reacts differently, and you need to work closely with your
doctor about your medications.
Yes, medications have side effects. But these must be weighed vs the good
effects.
I have seen Xanax blasted from here to the ends of the planet, yet I see
patients who were "basket cases" and thanks to Xanax are now working, taking
care of the family, and living essentially normal lives. So, it is one drug
that despite the "universal condemnation" has helped many persons.
In other words your own reaction to drugs is what counts.
Joy - 15 Apr 2005 06:49 GMT
> I have seen Xanax blasted from here to the ends of the planet, yet I see
> patients who were "basket cases" and thanks to Xanax are now working, taking
> care of the family, and living essentially normal lives. So, it is one drug
> that despite the "universal condemnation" has helped many persons.
> In other words your own reaction to drugs is what counts.
'
I have been advised by docs NOT in the respiratory area to avoid inhaled
steroids at all costs. So you know, everyone seems to have an opinion.
Personally, I think the :"avoid steroids at all cost" people have the
answer.

And so whatever.

Joy
00doc - 15 Apr 2005 13:29 GMT
The problem with the non-respiratory specialists saying things like
that is that they forget that however important they consider what they
do - breathing is more important.

A while a go I had a severe asthmatic/COPD'er (it is so hard to
classify the smokers sometimes) come in with an acute exacerbation that
requires hospitalization. She had been to her optometrist (not
opthomologist mind you - but optometrist) who diagnosed cataracts and
told her to stop taking her steroids.

I told her that if she listens to this guy the only thing she would be
able to see was the inside ofher coffin.

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00doc

Bob - 15 Apr 2005 14:38 GMT
>I told her that if she listens to this guy the only thing she would be
>able to see was the inside of her coffin.

He certainly seems to be clouding the issue; what a nimbuscile...
00doc - 16 Apr 2005 03:31 GMT
>> I told her that if she listens to this guy the only thing
>> she would
>> be able to see was the inside of her coffin.
>
> He certainly seems to be clouding the issue; what a
> nimbuscile...

Thanks for the chuckle. You really are too much sometimes.
Bob - 17 Apr 2005 14:02 GMT
>>> I told her that if she listens to this guy the only thing
>>> she would
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>Thanks for the chuckle. You really are too much sometimes.

Anytime.  
ARoberts - 16 Apr 2005 04:05 GMT
>>I told her that if she listens to this guy the only thing she would be
>>able to see was the inside of her coffin.
>
> He certainly seems to be clouding the issue; what a nimbuscile...

Bob, that was cirrus-ly funny...
Bob - 17 Apr 2005 13:57 GMT
>>>I told her that if she listens to this guy the only thing she would be
>>>able to see was the inside of her coffin.
>>
>> He certainly seems to be clouding the issue; what a nimbuscile...
>
>Bob, that was cirrus-ly funny...

Thanks.  O dear...  Please excuse me, but yet once again, I am moved
to song:

He was a Wild-Eyed, Wall-Mart Whitecoat Wannabeer
A Wild-Eyed, Wall-Mart Whitecoat Wannabeer
Don't be a Wild-Eyed, Wall-Mart Whitecoat Wannabeer
Diagnosing through myopic fog...
cloud - 17 Apr 2005 23:37 GMT
someone mention a distant relative?

Always,
..· ´¨¨)) -:¦:-
¸.·´ .·´¨¨))
((¸¸.·´ ..·´ cloud -:¦:-
-:¦:- ((¸¸.·´*
"

>>>I told her that if she listens to this guy the only thing she would be
>>>able to see was the inside of her coffin.
>>
>> He certainly seems to be clouding the issue; what a nimbuscile...
>
> Bob, that was cirrus-ly funny...
Joy - 15 Apr 2005 15:34 GMT
> The problem with the non-respiratory specialists saying things like
> that is that they forget that however important they consider what they
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> I told her that if she listens to this guy the only thing she would be
> able to see was the inside ofher coffin.

If I hadn't experimented though because of those comments, I would likely
still be on Advair with its side effects. As it is, I am much happier using
Singulair as the first line of defense. It is certainly hard for a patient
to know who to listen to.
Joy
Nancy - 15 Apr 2005 18:31 GMT
>>The problem with the non-respiratory specialists saying things like
>>that is that they forget that however important they consider what they
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> to know who to listen to.
> Joy

Hey Joy -

You're right, it is hard.  You are REALLY lucky that the Singulair
worked for you.  It didn't do a damn thing for me.  Sadly, asthma is a
very individualized disease.  I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum
from you - I need the steroids, both oral and inhaled.  I hear it from
people all the time, that I'm crazy, the steroids are gonna kill me,
thats why my hair is so thin, why I've gained so much weight, etc. etc.
 They are probably right to a certain degree.  My answer basically, is
that I'd rather be fat, bald and breathing, LOL.  I stay on top of the
side effects that I can, like the bone problems by having yearly bone
scans and doing a lot of calcium and taking Fosomax.  The hair, well,
I'm getting good at hiding the bald spot.  The weight, you can only do
so much.  My asthma doc gave me great advice, to eat like I can lose
weight, and eventually when the steroids get low enough, I will.  These
are just from the oral prednisone, I dont think I have much of a problem
from the inhaled Advair.

I guess the bottom line is not to be afraid.  Don't be afraid to take
them, and don't be afraid to explore your options about not taking them.
  Just always do it with the advice of your PULMONOLOGIST.

Life is uncertain......eat dessert first!
Nancy
8=:)
Joy - 15 Apr 2005 19:21 GMT
Nancy,

You know, I am so lucky. And boy do I ever know it. I used to take 5
asthma/sinus meds and 3 for skin conditions, and @$40 each, it was killing
me! Not to mention all the doctor visits (Pulm, PCP, ENT, Derm) every month.
I have been to see my PCP twice and my ENT twice (tonsils out) and that is
IT in the last 2 years. I was just reflecting last night as I was reading
about asthma and vomiting (mast cell activation theory for CVS) how I used
to cough all night until I threw up. If I thought I would have to go back
there to the way I used to live................

Now, if I get short of breath, I use an inhaler and if it goes on for 4 or 5
days, I start Singulair. After a couple of months, I try and go off it. It
hasn't been long enough for me to say for sure how many months of the year I
must take it, but in the last 2 years, it has been primarily from the middle
of July to the end of September. We will see what happens this year.

Joy
00doc - 16 Apr 2005 03:32 GMT
> If I hadn't experimented though because of those comments,
> I would
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> hard for a patient to know who to listen to.
> Joy

But there is a difference between that and not listening to
anybody.
Joy - 16 Apr 2005 06:39 GMT
> But there is a difference between that and not listening to
> anybody.

That is true. I gather opinions before I go off the regular  beaten track,
and it would appear not everyone does that. You have to question everything,
I have learned, .......

which leads to Richard's B post. So there is another lost group. I really
fail to see how any thinking person could be "caught up" in B breathing. I
guess they can't make heads or tails of the literature. And it is about time
we move on.

Joy
jackmallory@webtv.net - 17 Apr 2005 17:29 GMT
My lung doctor says I have asthma, emphysema and something else.

A long time ago when I was still using Asmacort, I tried doing without
it over a period of just a few days.  No good.

(Wish I'd discovered Pulmicort earlier on.)
Richard Friedel - 15 Apr 2005 19:59 GMT
..

> P.S. As a side note - Fox News?   That network is nothing but a blatant
> propaganda network and its viewers have been shown to be misinformed.
> If you haven't rented and watched a movie called "Outfoxed" you should
> (really, everyone should - it is pretty amazing stuff). Why not try CNN
> (or better yet the BBC)?

Yes but Rupert Murdock, Fox tv, has a sense of humor about the medical
profession.  See
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0514041swan1.html. He seems to
team up with Buteyko in calling for more reflection about asthma
treatment. Buteyko has shown that unteated asthma is not nearly as
life.threatening as most are willing to believe, although they would
not want to do without asthma drugs. Regards, Richard Friedel
Joy - 16 Apr 2005 06:45 GMT
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0514041swan1.html. He seems to
> team up with Buteyko in calling for more reflection about asthma
> treatment. Buteyko has shown that unteated asthma is not nearly as
> life.threatening as most are willing to believe, although they would

Well I followed that link and it just didn't pan out IMHO. Who listens to
them ( Fox) anyway? We would all be considered less than intelligent (and I
live in NEWT country) if we were so stupid.This is great. You admire FOX?
Make my day.

Joy
Brad_Chad - 09 May 2005 00:14 GMT
You might be able to do something about your mild asthma by finding
your hidden food allergies, with the help of a naturopathic doctor?

Brad_Chad62@yahoo.com
Blues Ma - 09 May 2005 00:49 GMT
> You might be able to do something about your mild asthma by finding
> your hidden food allergies, with the help of a naturopathic doctor?
>
> Brad_Chad62@yahoo.com

Hate to 'amen' you a second time in a second location,
but..............you're very right yet again.
I had never known anyone who went to naturopath until i decided to go.
VERY positive experience.
And a completely successful result with allergy identification and
treatment.
 
 
 
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