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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Asthma / February 2005UV purifier versus Ion purfier versus Hepa
I am not caring what is spam , I am caring what works. Can someone tell me if this UV purifier worked for them? I am very allergic to indoor air , and need help badly. I have a heppa filter and so far just a tad difference. Weight seems to play a role in my asthma but so does the quality of the air coming in from outside, so when the air outside combines with dust inside its like a nightmare. Please advise. Thanks mlarry48@yahoo.com You can write me if you have experience or kindly answer here, thanks >I am not caring what is spam , I am caring what works. Can someone tell me > if this UV purifier worked for them? I am very allergic to indoor air , [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > its like a nightmare. Please advise. Thanks mlarry48@yahoo.com > You can write me if you have experience or kindly answer here, thanks To put it very simply, they way they work: UV purifier uses high energy UV light to kill organisms like bacteria, viruses and spores etc. If you like it "sun-burns" them to death. Ionizers work by putting negative electically charged paticles into the air. These cause other particles - allergens, bacteria (usually positively charged) etc. to clump together and fall to the ground. HEPA filters remove all particles larger that 300nm from the air that passes through them. Again very simply, their limitations: UV is unlikely to affect "allergens" like pet dander - its already dead. The dust created by ionizers is still in the environment (ie. on the floor) and can easily be blown/swept back into the air. HEPA will not remove very very small particulates or potential alergens like volatile organics. I'm sure the above is sufficiently brief to give all interested parties cause to complain :o) However, HTH. Pete >I am not caring what is spam , I am caring what works. Can someone tell me >if this UV purifier worked for them? I am very allergic to indoor air , and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >its like a nightmare. Please advise. Thanks mlarry48@yahoo.com >You can write me if you have experience or kindly answer here, thanks Do you know what in the indoor air you are allergic to? Before you spend money on expensive equipment you should talk to your doctor about your allergies (have you had allergy testing?). If you can identify the specific source of the problem you might be better off removing the source than trying to filter the air. -- There can be no triumph without loss. No victory without suffering. No freedom without sacrifice. yes first two reply are correct ...you have to find out about your allergies.....? then again do an IAQ test.....some is as simple as a swab test and sent to a lab for analysis......(some came back with traces of toxic mold) Do you have a musty smell in the house? A signature of Mold.... what part of the country do you live? Rainy part? How do these airborne contaminates affect my health? In ranking the three groups of contaminates, we'd have to select microorganisms as the most dangerous. Bacteria and mold not only are pathogenic (cell eating), but they can produce airborne toxins. Mold enzyme is one of the most powerful allergens known. More than eight million people die each year from airborne germs. Perhaps the next most dangerous are the airborne VOC's. VOC's, like carbon monoxide poisoning, can be life threatening. They can also have a long-term threat, the cause of cancer. House dust would be the least dangerous of the three, but can be a source of allergies and germ growth. Are airborne contaminates more dangerous than other sources? Yes! Stomach acids and the digestive process destroy most common bacteria ingested into the stomach, unless overwhelmed by sheer numbers. No such defense exists for the lungs other than the immune system. Lung tissue is extremely delicate and susceptible to intrusion of germs and microscopic particles. Further, the volume of air we breathe is about seven times the weight of the food we eat each day. Bottom line: we now live indoors a larger percentage of time, where airborne contamination is now higher. And we breathe in a volume of air that is seven times larger than food intake. We take this volume into an organ of the body that is more susceptible to diseases. pet dander?...true is dead....but a good Microbe source of food. VOC (volatile organic compound) ......identify for other VOC's in your house. do you have plants in your house. Plants help clear out the environment but the soils is a good breeding ground of VOC and RADON. Do you live near fresh open water, pond, air-conditioning system? Legionella pneumophyla is another problem "Legionnaires' diseases" Is your home elevated? ..meaning is there a crawl space underneath....if it is You have VOC's going in your home and some carcinogen (Radon). cover the soil with plastic. check you local neighborhood......investigate....are some of the people experiencing the same problem (hard to do) Check you Local government find out about the area you are Living in ....... "in a town in California in a particular neighborhood.....a bout 2 mile radius people were developing Cancer.....county studied....found out the a particular tree in conjunction with the soil created a particular carcinogen." have you heard of Sick building syndrome? http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Sick+building+syndrome&btnG=Google+Search Heap/ULPA filter is good....but the newer home filters from 3M the Ultra Allergen filter works much the same as HEPA/ULPA filter. UV airpurifier is not a filter. It is just an air Sterilizer (much like boiling water). same technology used as a UVGI Ultraviolet Germicidal Irradiation to remove bacteria from foods especially if imported and it decimates Microbes,VOC's, Viruses, Molds etc.... ......Government studies and private industries confirm...this is the only way to irradiate. A Newer Technology is out forgot the name but is in the wavelength of AX-Ray with UV combination....expensive yet , still in the studies process... studies proved that negative ION generators produce a little amount of OZONE by doing a thorough research you will find out more about the products.... UV purifier does not sunburn bugs..() eradicates them.by destroying their DNA structure......check your local water treatment facility.....They have a huge UV system.....the water that you drink....most likely it is treated with UV, ask your local butcher if meat has been irradiated, your apple juice, almost everything..... Regarding your weight........I do not have any Input to that.....did not do a research on the relation between Asthma and Weight... see those people who commented that a horseless carriage will not work or there is no way you can go to the moon?............they have the same Gene sequence as those who find the fire in box (lighter).. gifts from above. and are the same ones that is going to give a harsh comment? BUT THEN IGNORANCE is beautiful....... and By the Way....Colin CampBell......A VERY BIG THANK YOU GOES OUT TO YOU........ "THANK YOU FOR PROTECTING THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA" PEOPLE LIKE YOU MAKE AMERICA WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW.... A COUNTRY OF INNOVATORS..... WARNING: I volunteer to be a NUT MAGNET.....and I accept the nomination also.... I really ,really really want to attract the NUTS ...........THE NUTS ARE COMING ........ >I am not caring what is spam , I am caring what works. Can someone tell me > if this UV purifier worked for them? I am very allergic to indoor air , [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > its like a nightmare. Please advise. Thanks mlarry48@yahoo.com > You can write me if you have experience or kindly answer here, thanks >Bacteria and mold not only are pathogenic (cell eating), but they >can produce airborne toxins. Pathogenic means causing disease. Phagocytosis is cell eating. You might want to say Pathophagogenic, but it's not really a word. Then there is Autophagy, a sort of self-cannabilization, which has nothing to do with what you are trying to say, but it's a good word nonetheless. >WARNING: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >...........THE NUTS ARE COMING ........ The past is history. joe blathered: > pet dander?...true is dead....but a good Microbe source of food. That doesn't matter if the allergen is pet dander. > UV purifier does not sunburn bugs..() eradicates them.by destroying their > DNA structure...... Um, that's why Immuno put "sunburn" in quotations--it was a simple analogy, but it's not really that far off, if you want to get technical (and I know that you do). Ultraviolet light induces the formation of covalently-linked pyrimidine dimers in the exposed DNA, which can trigger changes in base sequences during subsequent replication. In humans those mutations can cause sunburns and an incidence of skin cancers, and in bacteria, well...death. check your local water treatment facility.....They have a > huge UV system.....the water that you drink....most likely it is treated > with UV, ask your local butcher if meat has been irradiated, your apple > juice, almost everything..... You keep talking about UV applied to everything but your product. Where are the citations from studies that show that your product can eliminate airborne or for that matter, in situ bacteria and mold. Allergens? Particulates? Post them. > BUT THEN IGNORANCE is beautiful....... Stop bragging. > Um, that's why Immuno put "sunburn" in quotations--it was a simple > analogy, but it's not really that far off, if you want to get technical [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > humans those mutations can cause sunburns and an incidence of skin > cancers, and in bacteria, well...death. I think you are helping too much. You know, he will use that even if he doesn't understand it. Joy ah! the peon following the Master. :-D >> Um, that's why Immuno put "sunburn" in quotations--it was a simple >> analogy, but it's not really that far off, if you want to get technical [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Joy A very BIG Thank you, You Researched........I did not even know that.....Kudos see what research does to everyone.....they get educated...... I love your response. but Then...... you are still using it to impugn.........I wanted to say ox......no never mind ...dictionary guy might see it That doesn't matter if the allergen is pet dander........... so what do mean here again? so you want us to have asthma.... You keep talking about UV applied to everything but your product................... UV applied to UV?.... ...STAR WARS?........ehh? well didn't you guys attack me about my product........and now you want me to mention it again? ehh????? BUT THEN IGNORANCE is beautiful.......Stop bragging. True... My ultimate wish is to be ignorant..... then I do not have to deal with your type of intellect. Which is what again? Where are the citations from studies that show that your product can > eliminate airborne or for that matter, in situ bacteria and mold. > Allergens? Particulates? Post them. why should I, ask your peon's husband the Scientist at CDC to explain it ...but then you started researching go finish it...you just covered 1%...... and I though you want me to stop bragging that I am ignorant..........yet you are asking me all the info......so what does it say about you.......you are ultimately and utterly______________! if you can figure that out then your research is doing you good.... touch? > joe blathered: > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Stop bragging. > Where are the citations from studies that show that your product can >> eliminate airborne or for that matter, in situ bacteria and mold. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > ...but then you started researching go finish it...you just covered > 1%...... No research needed--I do engineering for a living. Everyone please note that he will not provide any proof that his product works. He insists on attempting to attach legitimacy to his product by making reference to large industrial units for commercial applications, but has nothing to back the efficacy of the unit he is selling. There is a reason for that. Also note that his "store" consists of just a link to ebay. It makes a tailgate huckster seem substantial. If you are really convinced that this is the category of product that you need, do yourself a favor, and find a local dealer whom you can trust, with long-term support. . > > why should I, ask your peon's husband the Scientist at CDC to explain it > > ...but then you started researching go finish it...you just covered > > 1%...... Thank You. That is why we work so hard everyday. To make sure jerks like you make no progress selling to the US Public, who are better off waiting to see what treatments work rather than subscribing to your "advice". I love your name calling, by the way. It adds so much credibility. Where were you educated? I just want to make sure my kids don't go there. Joy then again...your JOB is to keep jerks away...and you did not turn yourself in...... now that is a disgrace to society......a crooked jerk keeper advice......you mean taking your DRUGS or do a research and find out more about the UV Germicidal irradiation........and utilizing the CDC web site searching about UV, DOD about UV, EPA about UV.. well readers I am tired and OLD I cannot keep up with young energy .....just please do a research about UV and try to free your self from chemical dependency.... Name calling was I?......peon is a name?....ah got to throw away that dictionary and get a new one..... credibility.....it is okay I do not care about being Credible...as long as I started you guys to do a research on UV ....I am happy with it..... nah....not educated at all.....just until 2nd grade......no higher education at all.....just those little guys trying to make a living....so BIG EDUCATED people Like you can trample on..... Yes please do not send your Kids here.....nasty here....but one thing for sure. If you and your children need HELP.........I will be more than willing to provide Help to you and your children. if you require food and shelter....please step in to my humble domain and I will feed / shelter you and your children with the little food and space I have...... Thank you and Have a wonderful and refreshing FRESH air :-) > . >> > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Joy Where are the citations from studies that show that your product can >>> eliminate airborne or for that matter, in situ bacteria and mold. Yes readers my product does not work...go buy from someone....as long as you have researched it and fully understood the benefits.......That is all you need ah you do engineering...then you know how to research........ you know how engineering it is a brain squeeze.and you survived.....by how? Oh yeah letting other people do the work...........and you go partying..... never insisted on anything........just explained and defended the benefits of UV....... Yes yes ....blah blah blah...engineering graduate and not embracing change and innovation.... insist attaching legitimacy?.....did I? .......readers please do your research UV is good for indoor air large industrial application.......so you admit that there is UV airpurifier. Store Link to eBay....Yes www.ebayelk.com is linked to eBay..........did I say it was not... Thank you for visiting the site....though....it is a public site...like this public newsgroup....... If you are really convinced that this > is the category of product that you need, do yourself a favor, and find a > local dealer whom you can trust, with long-term support. Yes EVERYBODY I agree please buy from your local retailer....AS Long as you get one to help your Lung rejuvenate I am happy with it.... ..and make sure you follow her advice find the one with "LONG TERM SUPPORT". I hope you will find someone with more than 10 years and renewable if unit fails within 10 years..... wink wink YES pls......trust those companies that the UN, FAA, Hospitals, FEMA to name a few bought from.....you will be amazed who it is.... "No research needed--I do engineering for a living".................. (see how this person of higher education has become "a Braggart", a Society Climber, and a snub) and NO continuing education credits (research) wow I though engineering was a never ending type of education...imagine the new technology that is popping every 3 seconds......Now I am really curious what type of engineer she is without doing any research about new processes.........oh boy........hope that building does not collapse, hope you know they already invented a SCREW.......oh that is what you are missing "a screw" and remember I am the NUTMAGNET....TADA readers Pls research about UV...you can do that at www.EPA.gov www.FEMA.gov www.dod.gov www.cpsc.gov WHO or do a Google search and a lot more......it is your LUNG do what is best... oh I am not an engineer just a 2nd grade drop out........ huckster yes I am, a disabled Yes ......level 6 pain out of 10 every single day that one too.... being trampled on YES ....need to earn a couple bucks to earn a descent living YES......and .......because I am not a higher educated TRAMPLING flatulent Engineer BUT PLEASE DO NOT GET AN OZONE GENERATOR........Bad for the LUNGS >> Where are the citations from studies that show that your product can >>> eliminate airborne or for that matter, in situ bacteria and mold. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > is the category of product that you need, do yourself a favor, and find a > local dealer whom you can trust, with long-term support. >A very BIG Thank you, > > You Researched........I did not even know that.....Kudos So what? The fact that UV _can_ be used to kill bacteria doesn't prove that: The unit you are selling is worth anything Even if it were, it has little or no relevance to asthma That you would the person to buy anything from. Since you are unwilling or unable to substantiate that your device is anything, it would seem that you are not. there you go you admit it that UV can kill Bacteria which is a microbe......Thank you.......an endorsement from you readers You do not need to buy from me.@ www.ebayelk.com ......Please go Look somewhere else......AS LONG AS YOU RESEARCH THE UV AND HAVE ONE HELPING YOUR LUNGS THAT IS ALL I CARE........ PLEASE DO NOT PURCHASE FROM ME I DO NOT HAVE 5-10 YR WARRANTY ON MY UNITS. little relevance........well readers you can do your own research and you can keep the results to yourself. No more proof needed she admitted that UV works.... >>A very BIG Thank you, >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > unable to substantiate that your device is anything, it would seem that > you are not. >there you go you admit it that UV can kill Bacteria which is a >microbe......Thank you.......an endorsement from you [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >can keep the results to yourself. No more proof needed she admitted that UV >works.... You seem to speak with the wisdom that can only come from experience; like a guy who went blind because he looked at a solar eclipse without one of those boxes with a pinhole in it and now goes around the country speaking at high schools about the dangers of looking at a solar eclipse without one of those boxes with a pinhole in it. Meanwhile, I'm still very allergic to Ragweed. No UV help for me, right? Unless I get a tan in the tropics, where that weed does not grow... very true UV does not work on ragweed. But what is Ragweed........it is a plant which in time degrades?..... what helps degrades the ragweed.......Bacteria, Molds...good food source for microbes too http://www.niehs.nih.gov/airborne/prevent/ragweed.html the government says stay indoors and use air-conditioning system..........air-conditioning coils? in a dark cool area with plenty of condensation (water).......a prime spot to grow MOLDS (any type w/c includes toxic mold) and other Microbes and ragweed as food.....how do you remove them.....well you know the answer. It is like trying get rid off the weed but then mold grows.....an even more potent allergen......it causes an increased risk for hemorrhagic pneumonia and death among infants. http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/docs/1999/suppl-3/463-464etzel/abstract.html how do get rid of mold.........well drink bleach or a natural way (ultra violet) or elbow grease and go to A/C and clean it every month and clean the AC fins really good too..... Doctors giving RX this it what the government said "Individual physicians may have difficulty handling the patients because of the lack of recognition of the relationship between the often complex symptoms and the indoor environment" well about the tropics......stay longer months---- a year...........we'll see........"been there done that"........it is even worse.....Bamboo for me...........I do not know what will yours be..........plus all the uncontrolled diseases..malaria, chicken flu.......Sars....but then being Tanned is Sexy >>there you go you admit it that UV can kill Bacteria which is a >>microbe......Thank you.......an endorsement from you [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > right? Unless I get a tan in the tropics, where that weed does not > grow... It's no mystery that UV _can_ kill bacteria, but that is not an endorsement of you or your product. There is no way to know about the anything about of your product (except that you would like to make some money from it). yapp blabber yapp........ your product, your product..yapp blabber yapp.......... then again readers go buy from someone else......as long as you are armed with UV .......you are good yapp blabber, "your product, your product" yap blabber. yip? There is no way to know about the > anything about of your product ................................... ........ Accepted by FDA as a medical device.......and has a FDA registration no.30044**** you search the rest and under regulation # 880.6500 ..... why not make money .....I need food......and more money to buy your chemicals to treat asthma.......? > It's no mystery that UV _can_ kill bacteria, but that is not an > endorsement of you or your product. There is no way to know about the > anything about of your product (except that you would like to make some > money from it). Joe wiggled: >........ Accepted by FDA as a medical device.......and has a FDA >registration no.30044**** you search the rest and under regulation # >880.6500 ..... More than a little misleading aren't you? I asked for a demonstration of the device effectiveness and you reply with a registration number. You are trying to imply effectiveness by listing the FDA Establisment Registration Number. From the FDA: "What is Establishment Registration Establishments involved in the production and distribution of medical devices intended for marketing or leasing (commercial distribution) in the United States (U.S.) are required to register with the FDA. This process is known as initial establishment registration. Registration provides FDA with the location of medical device manufacturing facilities and importers. No registration fee is required. An establishment means any place of business under one management at one physical location at which a device is manufactured, assembled or otherwise processed for commercial distribution. The "owner/operator" of the establishment is responsible for registration. Owner/operator means the corporation, subsidiary, affiliated company, partnership, or proprietor directly responsible for the activities of the registering establishment. Registration of an establishment is not an approval of the establishment or its devices by FDA. " Again, even if your device is capable of killing airborne bacteria, it has little or nothing to do with the treatment of asthma. Those who allergies would be better off to limit exposure to the allergen, or alternatively, use a HEPA filter. UV is useless against allergens. >why not make money .....I need food......and more money to buy your ? >chemicals to treat asthma.......? Just to be sure here: Are you claiming that your product is a replacement for asthma medications? The FTC will interested in your response, if you manage to actually provide one that is salient. you kinky you....you want me to wiggle..... how about the proofs of your DRUGS that it will work on other asthmatics........and the side effects too....and Long term damage show it to me the facts....that same thing you are requesting Medical device....maybe you need to research more.......c'mon you are really close did I say Establishment Registration? or medical device registration.............THINK...... not hard to figger this out ( just in case you will say wrong spelling of figure) Just to be sure here: Are you claiming that your product is a > replacement for asthma medications? Now I can confirm you are really losing your screw? I never claimed a replacement.....alternative.....Plus do research first....... FTC.....cool now you visited FTC......Thank you.... see all the OZONE links and 0 UV....... and you bragged that you do not need to research.... if you want FTC number I got it.....or you can file a complaint online.......while your are there.....GROW UP....smell the fresh microbe free air...... got to do better......you know what, if you three in cahoots tape your head together....maybe you can find something viable by the way thank you for the definition.of registration I was looking for that...........hey look the building you built.....crumbling down or you just engineer/pilot trains..... So you are asking a demonstration of the product.........why don't we do this let us demonstrate the skull drill on you and see if it works......it is still a medical product......? and try to find if there is something in there. you think that would be a good demonstration? Again, even if your device is capable of killing airborne bacteria, it > has little or nothing to do with the treatment of asthma I never wrote treat asthma.....what I wrote is "annihilate the Microbes" (you know like the bacterial infection and you were advising another DRUG to this poor person) .......which could trigger the asthma.... or "risk for hemorrhagic pneumonia and death among infants". because of mold development,,,,,,, http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/docs/1999/suppl-3/463-464etzel/abstract.html ..help the Lung Recover............Yes.... you have to do your research girl....... > Joe wiggled: > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > replacement for asthma medications? The FTC will interested in your > response, if you manage to actually provide one that is salient. You keep writing pages full of gibberish, and not one reference to substantiate your claims. Your still dodging. >I never wrote treat asthma.....what I wrote is "annihilate the Microbes" \ Then you're in the wrong place. This is an asthma newsgroup. >(you know like the bacterial infection and you were advising another DRUG to >this poor person) .......which could trigger the asthma You really just make it up as you go along, don't you? You have demonstated why not getting an education can be a real disadvantage. boohoo cannot say anything else viable..... > You keep writing pages full of gibberish, and not one reference to > substantiate your claims. Your still dodging. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > You really just make it up as you go along, don't you? You have > demonstated why not getting an education can be a real disadvantage. >I never wrote treat asthma.....what I wrote is "annihilate the Microbes" Another lie. You put this subject line on your very first post: UV airpurifier this might help reduce or eliminate asthma okay you win....... I crown you the alt.support.asthma queen by the way I quit my current job promoting Jose's web www.ebayelk.com and processing his orders.....way too stressful for me an oldman. I will just rely on social security and retire.......you guys have a good breathing season......... take care of your children....make sure you do not Molds........Microbes.....have a healthy Life bye. > >I never wrote treat asthma.....what I wrote is "annihilate the > Microbes" > > Another lie. You put this subject line on your very first post: > > UV airpurifier this might help reduce or eliminate asthma There is a new technology out in the Far East in Singapore called the GoodAire Revitalisor. Check out the details at www.goodaire.com Cheers. > There is a new technology out in the Far East in Singapore called the > GoodAire Revitalisor. > > Check out the details at www.goodaire.com > > Cheers. This is essentially an automated version of spray-can deodorizers. I'm not sure if a lot of chemical fragrances being put into the air is going to be that good for someone with asthma. > I am not caring what is spam , I am caring what works. Can someone tell me > if this UV purifier worked for them? I am very allergic to indoor air , and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > its like a nightmare. Please advise. Thanks mlarry48@yahoo.com > You can write me if you have experience or kindly answer here, thanks So in the future you will realize that SPam offers no usefull advice No one appears to have tried UV so you can be the first and report back to the group after spending your money - an unbiased observer. That is great, Joy PCD writes her hepa filter seems to make only "a tad difference." Thereafter come more than a handful of posts debating the values of the various air filtration systems. Maybe PCD's problems don't come from the air quality. Maybe she needs to look elsewhere. Suggestions anyone?---Jack |
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