Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Asthma / February 2005
Licorice Root <---helping me out a little
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jelly - 23 Feb 2005 09:14 GMT I used to have a chronic cough with asthmatic symptoms, however my doctors could not determine if I had asthma and no medications they gave me ever worked. After much frustrations with the doctors who seemed to be just randomly medicating me like a lab rat, I decided that I could do the same thing to myself without thier help.
I recently decided in a last ditch effort to look into supplements. I tried a liquid herbal supplement called "licorice root" and I am also taking "magnesium" and regular vitamins + extra vitamin C. I would like to report to you guys that though my cough is still with me, my chest is much less tight (it was almost instant like a miracle). I have never taken a supplement that made me feel this good. On top of making my chest feel better I have more energy and have an overall feeling of wellness that is incredible. No doubt this is probably harmful to the heart in high doses, and addiction could be a problem, nevertheless it's the only thing that is helping me. I am getting better sleep and waking up feeling highly refreshed. I feel like I have a more positive attitude and more confidence. There may have ben alcohol in the drops I bought since I had a tiny alcohol buzz. Anyhow, good luck folks. If nothing else worked for you, give this a little try. Buy the DROPS not the other stuff and give it a good 20 minutes to kick in, you'll feel a little buzz and if you keep takingit you might get the same results as I did --->I love this stuff.
Maybe this stuff could help people with emphysema or chronic bronchitis also.
This is not the cure for me, but it's the best thing I have had yet, and I am still looking for a cure to my problem through herbs. I'll let you guys know if I find anything else that works better.
Next supplements to try on my list are:
Cayenne Pepper and Rye Grass Extract
nige - 23 Feb 2005 11:52 GMT I used to chew the liquorice root, because I like the taste. Can't say that I felt any better as regards the asthma or anything else. I quit the liquorice when I read an article about how it makes the testosterone levels drop.
>I used to have a chronic cough with asthmatic symptoms, however my doctors >could not determine if I had asthma and no medications they gave me ever [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Cayenne Pepper and Rye Grass Extract jelly - 24 Feb 2005 00:03 GMT >I used to chew the liquorice root, because I like the taste. I was talking about concentrated licorice root extract in liquid form, not chewing the root itself. I'm not sure if there is much of a difference in any case, but I am not chewing licorice root.
> Can't say that I felt any better as regards the asthma or anything else. > I quit the liquorice when I read an article about how it makes the > testosterone levels drop. I would rather be able to breathe and feel good then worry about a tiny decrease in my testosterone which I can counter by doing excerize (which I can now do more of because of the licorice root juice).
Joy - 24 Feb 2005 02:19 GMT > >I used to chew the liquorice root, because I like the taste. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > decrease in my testosterone which I can counter by doing excerize (which I > can now do more of because of the licorice root juice). You know, my kids were told to stay away from it since it interacts with the Florinef they take. It appears to further stimulate the adrenal glands. So I knew that it was a herb with some dramatic effects. I then wondered about what exactly traditional science thought about it and why it might work. The up-shot is that it isn't supposed to work all that well on asthma, but it does have some benefits for digestion and infection in their view.
http://myhealth.barnesjewish.org/library/healthguide/en-us/Cam/topic.asp?hwid=hn -2122006
Have you ever tried to treat for reflux? Have you ever felt your asthma was better when on antibiotics?
Joy
00doc - 24 Feb 2005 03:26 GMT > You know, my kids were told to stay away from it since it > interacts [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > dramatic > effects. Actually the glyzorrheic acid (almost no chance of being spelled correctly) in licorice stimulates the aldosterone receptor. Aldosterone is a hormone (a mineralocorticoid) secreted by the adrenals that actis ont he kidneys to cause sodium retention and hydrogen and potasium ion wasting. Florinef is a drug that partially mimics both corticocorticoid (as in prednisone) and mineralocorticoid activity so combining it with licorice can cause an imbalance between the two.
You need to consume real licorice - the candy sold in most stores doesn't qualify.
> I then wondered about what exactly traditional science > thought about it and why it might work. The up-shot is > that it isn't > supposed to work all that well on asthma, but it does have > some > benefits for digestion and infection in their view. I'm not sure about that but Aldactone (spironolactone), a drug that blocks the aldosterone receptor, has several beneficial effects in heart failure (besides the diuretic effect). It seems that aldosterone has effects outside the kidney that are mostyl poorly understood. As far as I know blocking the receptors does not lead to problems with asthma, digestion, or infection.
> http://myhealth.barnesjewish.org/library/healthguide/en-us/Cam/topic.asp?hwid=hn -2122006 I'm not sure that this is really reflective of the view of traditional science. The site doesn't give much details other than to say it is good. A quick pubmed search does show some lab evidence for an effect against viral infections. I couldn't find much about asthma or reflux.
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Joy - 24 Feb 2005 05:27 GMT > I'm not sure about that but Aldactone (spironolactone), a > drug that blocks the aldosterone receptor, has several [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > blocking the receptors does not lead to problems with > asthma, digestion, or infection. I was not going to go there outright (heart effects) because I don't know enough, but I had to wonder about it based on my limited knowledge and my husband's family history. I can say that all the relatives with this imbalance have digestive problems and heart effects (they die between 40 and 50) and I think that it is related. You're looking at bad genes basically in that senario.
But the infection link I did track on before I posted and I found several sites which confirmed the virus link at least. Not that you can believe anything you find on the internet......
I would be interested to find out how this plays out. And the reason is that I have found that Q10 works for CVS so I think we should keep an open mind about herbs. I really don't care that anyone can explain it today - I hope they will figure it out because those of us effected have seen the supplement works. And so the big question is WHY.
Joy
00doc - 24 Feb 2005 17:00 GMT I agree about keeping an open mind about herbs - it is certain that some can be useful. But a few caveates need to also be kept in mind:
1) No plant ever produced a chemical for the good of man. They do it to help themselves - often at the expense of animals that may eat them (nearly all known poisons are plant derived). It is not reasonable to assume that herbal = safe.
2) Labs data is one thing. Clinical outcomes data is another. The two should not be confused.
3) If any chemical has an effect it will likely have a side effect. As a corrolary: any chemical that has no side effects will likely also have no effects. Anyone claiming one without the other should be summarily dismissed.
4) Even if research studies show that in people a compound is safe and effective there is still the issue of whether or not you are getting the same thing that was studied. Alas, when herbal compounds are tested they usually do not have what the label says they have. In one study I recall the researchers had to have the compund specially made because none of the commercial products they tested had reliable amounts of active ingredients. They then offered their compound to other researchers to do studies on. That is great for the researchers but where does it leave the rest of us?
5) Many pharmaceutical adverse events are discovered post marketting. The numbers needed to detect all but the most common reactions precludes them being detected in controlled pre-marketting experiments. Herbal products do not have nearly the same degree of surveillance for safety as pharmaceuticals do and so lack this crucial safety net.
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Joy - 24 Feb 2005 17:31 GMT CBI,
Yes, absolutely everything you say is true. I asked Bob about Q10 because I am concerned that we are getting what we think we are getting in the bottle. And i hope that the long experience of the Japanese using Q10 without long term effects translates to no long term effects for us. You know I would never assume that herbal=safe! But you know the most important component of the equation is "does it work?" and for at least some of us, the answer seems to be YES.
So considering that licorice root is not supposed to be effective for asthma, why do you think it is working for this asthmatic?
Joy
> I agree about keeping an open mind about herbs - it is certain that > some can be useful. But a few caveates need to also be kept in mind: [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Herbal products do not have nearly the same degree of surveillance for > safety as pharmaceuticals do and so lack this crucial safety net. Joy - 25 Feb 2005 03:45 GMT > So considering that licorice root is not supposed to be effective for > asthma, why do you think it is working for this asthmatic? I finally looked it up in the "Family Guide to Nateral Medicines and Healing Therapies" put out by Physicians' Desk Reference and I can see only two explanations that suggest why it might work for asthma indirectly. One is it acts as a decongestant thinning mucus (if that is an issue - remember the PND setting off asthma attacks) and the other is it enhances the effects of steroids (and side effects). They further more state that because possible lost of salt, the patient should take a break from the preparation every 6 weeks. The listed uses are cough and digestion according to this source.
Joy
NorthShoreCEO - 25 Feb 2005 03:48 GMT >> So considering that licorice root is not supposed to be >> effective for [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Joy There's more information here:
http://www.swedish.org/16354.cfm
Licorice Root: Not Candy, But an Herbal Remedy by Amy Scholten, MPH
Mention the word licorice,? and most people think of the chewy black candy that theyve been eating since they were kids. But licorice is also a potent herb that has been used since ancient times for medicinal purposes.
Licorice root, or glycyrrhiza glabra, comes from a purple and white flowering perennial that originated in the Mediterranean region and central and southwest Asia. Traditionally, it has been boiled to extract its sweetness, and has been used in making licorice candy. But licorice root, by itself or in compounds with other herbs, has many medicinal uses.
Deglycyrrhizinated Licorice (DGL)
Licorice root contains glycyrrhizin, a substance that can cause fluid retention, increased blood pressure, and loss of potassium, when taken in large amounts, or in moderate amounts for two weeks or more. To prevent this effect, some manufacturers remove glycyrrhizin from the licorice root, to produce a licorice-related product called deglycyrrhizinated licorice, or DGL.
Proposed Uses of Licorice Gastric ulcers and stomach irritation " Licorice is believed to have a protective effect on the cells lining the stomach and appears to increase blood flow. A combination therapy containing DGL and ordinary antacids has been used to prevent and treat ulcers. Several poorly designed studies hint that regular use of this combination can heal ulcers as effectively as Zantac and similar drugs. However, if DGL does work, it will need to be used continuously to prevent ulcers from recurring. Ulcers are caused by the bacteria Helicobacter pylori, which must be eradicated by drug therapy for permanent recovery from ulcers.
Weak evidence also suggests that DGL might help protect the stomach from the irritation and ulcers caused by nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs.
Mouth sores " DGL might help relieve the discomfort of canker sores in the mouth, although there havent been any studies on this subject. The main problem with DGL is that it must be sucked to coat the canker sores, and some people find its taste objectionable.
Eczema, psoriasis, and herpes " A topical licorice cream (often mixed with chamomile extract) is sometimes used to treat various skin conditions, such as eczema, psoriasis, and herpes, but there is no evidence that it is effective.
Cough, asthma " Whole licorice (not DGL) has been used as an expectorant for coughs and asthma; however, this use should be no longer than one week.
Sore throat - Whole licorice and DGL have been used for soothing a sore throat.
Chronic fatigue syndrome " The glycyrrhizin in licorice may mimic the effects of adrenal hormones. For this reason, its possible that licorice may be beneficial for people with chronic fatigue syndrome who have low levels of certain adrenal hormones. However, this approach to treatment can be dangerous and should not be tried without medical supervision.
Other conditions " Whole licorice has been proposed as a treatment for other conditions including cancer, hepatitis, and menopausal symptoms. At this time, however, there is no meaningful evidence that it is effective for these conditions.
Dosage and Safety Issues For ulcer treatment, the standard dose of DGL is two to four 380 mg tablets taken before meals and at bedtime. For mouth pain, the tablets can be slowly dissolved in the mouth.
The standard dose of whole licorice is 5-15 grams per day. However, many medical experts do not recommend using doses this high for more than one week. Excessive use of licorice (not DGL) may increase blood pressure, and cause fluid retention, headache, and loss of potassium.
A maximum adult dose of 0.3 grams of licorice root per day has been recommended by experts for long-term use. Larger doses should only be taken under the supervision of your doctor.
Other Side Effects
Note that some licorice candies, as well as smokeless tobacco? contain substantial amounts of licorice, and can cause licorice side effects.
Whole licorice reduces testosterone in men, and therefore may adversely affect fertility or libido. Licorice use should be avoided by women who are pregnant or nursing, or who have had breast cancer.
Drug Interactions
When taken with thiazide diuretic medication, licorice may increase potassium loss. Sensitivity to digitalis glycosides may occur with loss of potassium. Licorice should not be taken with the following medications:
a.. Cardiac glycosides b.. Stimulant laxatives c.. Diuretics d.. Steroids e.. Any potassium-depleting drugs
If youre considering taking licorice root or DGL, talk to your doctor first to rule out potential drug interactions or other concerns.
RESOURCES: The Longwood Herbal Task Force Massachusetts College of Pharmacy and Health Sciences http://www.mcp.edu/herbal
National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine National Institutes of Health http://www.nccam.nih.gov
SOURCES: Complementary Therapies Massachusetts College of Pharmacy and Health Sciences
Alison Chaiken - 24 Feb 2005 05:46 GMT >> http://myhealth.barnesjewish.org/library/healthguide/en-us/Cam/topic.asp?hwid=hn -2122006
> I'm not sure that this is really reflective of the view of > traditional science. The site doesn't give much details other than > to say it is good. The references cited at the bottom of the page do mostly look reputable, notably _Lancet_ and _New Eng. J. Med_, not that those journals don't publish bad or erroneous papers from time to time. On the other hand, a few of the references look iffy (e.g. _Arzneim Forsch._ and books published by Prima Publishing and Integrative Medicine Communications). Given the cautious wording in the text, I'd say this site looks more useful than most. I also like Intellihealth:
http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH?d=dmtContent&c=351432&p=~br,IHW|~st,24479|~ r,WSIHW000|~b,*|
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Joy - 24 Feb 2005 06:02 GMT And isn't this great! Finally a discussion of the facts. Long enough coming! YES! I always appreciate comments from people who I have learned though the years to trust! And you all know who you are. Wonderful people! Thanks NSCeo, CBI , Alison, ARoberts, Bob, Nancy, Colin , I don't want to forget a one of you........................I could go on and on! So tell me what you think!
Joy
> > You know, my kids were told to stay away from it since it > > interacts [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > blocking the receptors does not lead to problems with > asthma, digestion, or infection. http://myhealth.barnesjewish.org/library/healthguide/en-us/Cam/topic.asp?hwid=hn -2122006
> I'm not sure that this is really reflective of the view of > traditional science. The site doesn't give much details > other than to say it is good. A quick pubmed search does > show some lab evidence for an effect against viral > infections. I couldn't find much about asthma or reflux. Bob - 24 Feb 2005 14:56 GMT >And isn't this great! >Finally a discussion of the facts. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >, Alison, ARoberts, Bob, Nancy, Colin , I don't want to forget a one of >you........................I could go on and on! So tell me what you think! I'd say that I appreciate your taste in humble people. (borrowing Mary's *beam*)
NorthShoreCEO - 24 Feb 2005 08:15 GMT Licorice, like many other herbs, has been tested to show a number of benefits, however, you have to check out to see if you're messing up any other medication you may be on.
Here's a good source of information that includes that:
http://www.umm.edu/altmed/ConsHerbs/Licoricech.html
The only real thing I can find with relation to asthma, however, is this:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstra ct&list_uids=11575586
Of cours, it's 2 a.m. and I'm not looking very hard, so there may be more out there.
joe - 23 Feb 2005 18:22 GMT herbal remedy is really good.....here is something I experienced....a surprise to me.....It was sometime spring 3 years ago....driving down the road I felt I was going to have an asthma attack..My wife loves strawberry we found a kiosk selling the fruits....mild Asthma came and I did not bring my inhaler (stupid), but started to eat the fresh strawberry...and wow I felt breathing easement after eating the fresh strawberry and the breathing restriction just cleared up.......another one of those off the chemical shelf remedy.....A Natural one.......could be the vitamin c or something....
ever since I have been arming myself with Strawberries...a natural help...still chemical dependent....but found many alternatives
>I used to have a chronic cough with asthmatic symptoms, however my doctors >could not determine if I had asthma and no medications they gave me ever [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Cayenne Pepper and Rye Grass Extract Colin Campbell - 24 Feb 2005 20:16 GMT >I recently decided in a last ditch effort to look into supplements. I tried >a liquid herbal supplement called "licorice root" and I am also taking Be very careful of the dosage of the licorice - the stuff is toxic in anything but small doses.
(Hopefully somebody can supply the maximum safe dosages of the stuff.)
-- There can be no triumph without loss. No victory without suffering. No freedom without sacrifice.
Bob - 24 Feb 2005 22:55 GMT >>I recently decided in a last ditch effort to look into supplements. I tried >>a liquid herbal supplement called "licorice root" and I am also taking [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >(Hopefully somebody can supply the maximum safe dosages of the stuff.) Here's a discussion from the link below (which has some good references)
Safety Issues
Use of whole licorice has not been associated with significant adverse effects in the short term. However, two or more weeks of use may cause high blood pressure, fluid retention, and loss of potassium.19-21(reference #'s in link below). Such effects are especially dangerous for people who take the drug digoxin or medications that deplete the body of potassium (such as thiazide and loop diuretics), or who have high blood pressure, heart disease, diabetes, or kidney disease.
Current evidence indicates that individuals who wish to take whole licorice on a long-term basis without any risk of these side effects should not consume more than 0.2 mg of glycyrrhizin per kilogram of body weight daily.20 For a person who weighs 130 pounds, this works out to 12 mg of glycyrrhizin daily. Based on a typical 4% glycyrrizin content, this is the equivalent of 0.3 grams of licorice root.
Whole licorice may have other side effects as well. For example, it appears to reduce testosterone levels in men.11 For this reason, men with impotence, infertility, or decreased libido may wish to avoid this herb. Licorice may also increase both the positive and negative effects of corticosteroids such as prednisone and hydrocortisone cream.12-14 In addition, some evidence suggests that licorice might affect the liver's ability to metabolize other medications as well, but the extent of this effect has not been fully determined.15
Whole licorice possesses significant estrogenic activity, and some evidence indicates that licorice increases risk of premature birth.17 For these reasons, it shouldn't be taken by pregnant or nursing women, or women who have had breast cancer.16
Maximum safe doses for young children, nursing women, or those with severe liver or kidney disease have not been established.
It is believed, but not proven, that most or all of the major side effects of licorice are due to glycyrrhizin. For this reason, DGL has been described as entirely safe. However, comprehensive safety studies on DGL have not been reported.
http://www.caromont.org/16049.cfm
Alison Chaiken - 25 Feb 2005 00:55 GMT What I can't figure out from reading labels or medical websites is how much licorice extract is in candy. I notice that some candies say "artificial licorice flavor" and some say "licorice extract" on the ingredients list. It would be nice to know the glycyrrhizin content of candy!
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