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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Arthritis / January 2005help with gout question
Help! My husband will not go to a doctor. He believes that hospitals and doctors are for sick people. ;-/ He gets pains in his toes. The pain, or burning feeling, usually starts at night. He also gets the sweats. While he has the "attack", it hurt to walk because of the pain in his toes. He also urinate exessively. Why would that be? If he stops eating protein, he seems to get better. But them I am told that is is purines that causes gout. Which is it?? And does his symptoms like gout. Thanks mig > Help! My husband will not go to a doctor. He believes that hospitals > and doctors are for sick people. ;-/ [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > mig Hi Mig,,, you need to get you husband to a doctor and the doctor be told everything you have said here..... you could print this and just hand it to the doc. With diet, no alcohol, and one little old pill when needed of Plurinol(mis=spelled) the gout can be controlled and it is going to get worse and full blown gout can be anywhere in the body not just the big toe. The excessive urinating could be diabetes. Your husband could be killing himself by not going to the doctor and telling the doctor the whole story. Harv It seems to me I heard somewhere that mig wrote in article <1103353159.449120.32020@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>: >Help! My husband will not go to a doctor. He believes that hospitals >and doctors are for sick people. ;-/ >He gets pains in his toes. The pain, or burning feeling, usually starts >at night. He also gets the sweats. >While he has the "attack", it hurt to walk because of the pain in his >toes. >He also urinate exessively. Why would that be? >If he stops eating protein, he seems to get better. But them I am told >that is is purines that causes gout. Which is it?? >And does his symptoms like gout. Mig, I think I've seen your question in a different newsgroup where you didn't seem to get very satisfactory suggestions. I'm not a medical person, and have always enjoyed good health, so I can only offer a clue, not real help. ISTM the diabetes is often associated with excessive urination (and maybe thirst as well). I don't know if pain or sweating could be related to that or not. AAR if your husband's condition is causing pain and discomfort it's important to have him checked quickly to find the cause. Enlist family members or others if you must, just be sure that he goes--he *is* a sick person, and needs help to get well.  SignatureDon donkirk@covad.net Yes I posted this on the cardio newsgroup, and basically was advised to get him to a doctor, which IS the best advise, but I can't get him to go. So I am trying to evaluate how bad it really is, if others have experienced the same, and what they found, and what helped... I have learned a lot about gout in the last weeks, but I can't find out why he is loosing so much water, and he does not have diabetes. And he is not thirsty. And as I said below, my girlfriend took a test on him a year ago, for uric acid, after an "attack", and at my request took a complete blood chem panel, and it was totally normal, which I assume then means that his kidneys are OK. I will enlist my son and daughter, good idea. Will do... Thanks Mig > It seems to me I heard somewhere that mig wrote in article > <1103353159.449120.32020@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>: [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > you must, just be sure that he goes--he *is* a sick person, and needs > help to get well. First, what I have to say is not a diagnosis of your husband. At the store where I work, a middle aged lady came in and bought four bottles of black cherry juice for her mother. Her mother swears by it for her gout. I don't think they'd be buying four bottles if it didn't work for her. (She was stocking up so she wouldn't run out.) We sell two or three bottles a week for others who rely on it for the same cause. As for diabetes, I keep getting reports from customers who take several cinnamon capsules a day, and that it brings down their blood sugar readings significantly. One man brought his sugar down from 200 or more to 100 or less. If your husband won't go to the doctor, maybe he'd be willing to load up on cinnamon. Or you could fix him a nonalcoholic drink of cherry juice every day. -------------------------------------------------------------- Visit http://www.itsnotjustforsex.com I appriciate you'll taking time to answer my question. I can tell you that he does not have diabetes. I have a Freestyle bloodsugar tester and he is fine on that count. I am trying to get him to the doctor, and there is hope, because I am so stressed because of him not going, that it is wearing me out. I can add that the symptoms started several years ago, and it started with burning pain in his toes, during the night. Then the urination. And the sweats, at night. I have him now on cherry supplements, juices (lots), no protein diet, low purine diet, and he gets better as long as he follows that diet. What worried me mostly, is that he got palpitaions, and weakness, 2 weeks ago, before he got back on the diet. I gave him some potassium and his palpitations went away. He bloodpressure is normal, and he is in good shape, otherwise. I have read about gout a lot in the last couple of weeks, and the exessive urination worried me, because I can't find anywhere, where it give this as a possible symptom of gout. I had my girfriend, who is a labtech, take a bloodchemistry on him a year ago, mainly to check his uric acid level, but it was a complete blood chemisty panel. And his kidney function looked fine. Uric acid level was normal too. I AM so confused, and I do not want to play doctor, but right now I am dealing with a man who never has been sick, and now has to deal with limitations, and mortality, and he does not want to. Happy holidays..... Mig >Subject: Re: help with gout question >From: LL mig2043@yahoo.com [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >exessive urination worried me, because I can't find anywhere, where it >give this as a possible symptom of gout. If you do a search of polycythemia and .. gout .. and polyuria .. you .. may .. just .. find .. some .. studies .. Too many red blood cells .. erythrocytosis .. http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/diseases/facts/polycythaemia.htm J Vet Intern Med 1997 Sep-Oct;11(5):300-3 Polyuria and polydipsia and disturbed vasopressin release in 2 dogs with secondary polycythemia. van Vonderen IK, Meyer HP, Kraus JS, Kooistra HS Department of Clinical Sciences of Companion Animals, Faculty of Veterinary Medicine, Utrecht University, The Netherlands. In dogs, secondary polycythemia (SP) may be associated with polyuria and polydipsia (PU/PD). The pathogenesis of this PU/PD has not yet been explained. We hypothesized that hyperviscosity and increased blood volume in SP might affect vasopressin (VP) release, resulting in PU/PD. This hypothesis was tested in 2 dogs with SP caused by renal neoplasia and PU/PD. Osmoregulation of VP release was studied by a modified water deprivation test and by investigating the VP response to hypertonic saline infusion. Water deprivation test results were consistent with an inability to produce concentrated urine despite increasing plasma osmolality. During hypertonic saline infusion, the osmotic threshold of VP release was markedly increased in both dogs, resulting in a delayed VP response to increasing plasma osmolality. The sensitivity of VP release was low normal in both dogs. We conclude that blood hyperviscosity and increased blood volume led to impaired VP release and polyuria. PMID: 9348498, UI: 98009104 _________________________________________________________________ Who loves ya. Tom SignatureJesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking > I AM so confused, and I do not want to play doctor, but right now I am > dealing with a man who never has been sick, and now has to deal with > limitations, and mortality, and he does not want to. > Happy holidays..... > > Mig Hi Mig,,,, Sorry about the time between replies. There is one important thing I want you to realize. You are taking responsibility for the decisions your husband is making and it is not your fault that he is not helping himself. We try to help each other to deal with many problems in this life. There comes a time where you have to make a stand with your husband for him to see the right doctor WHO WILL TAKE responsibility for your husbands condition and best of today's training with this doctor will do what is required to solve his problems. I doubt very much if your husband realizes how lucky he is to have a wife who cares enough to FORCE him to do what is best for himself. As for myself, dam him for his ignorance. Sorry,,,, I have said too much but I feel better. Harv |
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