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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Arthritis / May 2007Blood flow and arthritis?
Hello, Whether getting arthritis can be as a result of variations in blood flow to any part? If so, will it be due to either decreased or increased blood flow? Best wishes. > Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Best wishes. Good question... I can only give you my opinion and mind you it is an opinion that does not quote the full post of someone that thinks the level of iron in our blood stream is the answer to everything. Arthritis ,,,,, OA ,,,, deals with the wear and tare type of erosion of a persons joints. Please keep in mind that there are over 170 types of arthritis that a Rheumatologist treats and many of them have nothing to do with wear and tear type joint erosion but deal with how our immune system works or doesn't. There are two areas of our body and that everyone's body,,,,, that do not have good circulation. Our joints,,,, and our sinus system in our head. Your question which concerns blood flow needs deeper thought and research on your part. You may be thinking cause and effect which can not be put together in this way. Harv > > Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Harv It looks, iron variations can be pursuer to inflammatory disorders (may be to most disorders) as initial though not prime reason by effecting O2, acid/base , blod flow, body heat, moisture etc. It role in nimals can be somewhat Mg in plants. Sometimes, I feel variations in blood flow (constitutional/inherited or aquired) can be responsible cause for most disorders at basic stage. I think, inflammation can cause more blood flow to any area which may promote excessive growth of tissues by excess supply so there may be early ageing and early death. Iron being pro-oxidation, may also cause excessive oxidation resulting damages & degenarations to nerve and other tissues. On the other hand lower blood flow/supply to tissues may cause their early death due to defficiency of nutrients. Same an be possible in case of skin diseases as Psoriasis etc. We have to evaluate it more deeply. Best rdgs. >> There are two areas of our body and that everyone's body,,,,, that do >> not [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > be possible in case of skin diseases as Psoriasis etc. We have to > evaluate it more deeply. Best rdgs. Understand,,,, we do not have direct blood flow in our joints. We do have inflammation that takes place in out joints and sometimes infection and both take a lot of work on our body's part to clear it up and the same holds true with our sinuses. We do have blood flow to the support tissues of our joints. It really does take a Rheumatologist to make the correct diagnoses of the problem and what to do about it. Quick fixes and vitamins most of the time are a waste of time and money which means the problem marches on while we experiment. Harv > >> There are two areas of our body and that everyone's body,,,,, that do > >> not [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Then, how joints tissues get nutrients? How inflammation can happen without blood flow? > Then, how joints tissues get nutrients? How inflammation can happen > without blood flow? We have body fluid in your joints. I have had my knees and hip drained of this fluid and there is no blood but there can be infection. Joint tissue??? You mean cartilage??? No blood flow there but we do have body fluid to help with lubrication. That is what I meant when I said you need to look a little deeper into how joints work. Harv Ps this may be my last post on this subject,,, I am not your teacher. > > Then, how joints tissues get nutrients? How inflammation can happen > > without blood flow? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Ps this may be my last post on this subject,,, I am not your teacher. Sorry but how that fluid comes and recirculate? > > Then, how joints tissues get nutrients? How inflammation can happen > > without blood flow? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Ps this may be my last post on this subject,,, I am not your teacher. "The inner membrane of synovial joints is called the synovial membrane, which secretes synovial fluid into the joint cavity. This fluid forms a thin layer (approximately 50 micrometres) at the surface of cartilage, but also seeps into microcavities and irregularities in the articular cartilage surface, filling any empty space [1]. The fluid within articular cartilage effectively serves as a synovial fluid reserve. During normal movements, the synovial fluid held within the cartilage is squeezed out mechanically (so-called weeping lubrication) to maintain a layer of fluid on the cartilage surface http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synovial_fluid " Though it is clear from above link that synovial membrane secretes synovial fluid but I want to understand how such secretion of synovial fluid can be varied and if blood circulation to other part related to it, can effect variations in secretions of synovial fluid? look up avascular or osteo necrosis - various agents of disease and even some medications can cause the cappillaries to stop functioning, when/if this occurs, the reduced blood supply thru the cap's causes the joint tissue/synovium/cartilage to die - i.e. necrotic collapse. > > > Then, how joints tissues get nutrients? How inflammation can happen > > > without blood flow? [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > fluid can be varied and if blood circulation to other part related to > it, can effect variations in secretions of synovial fluid? On May 11, 12:34 am, "Paul T. Holland" <pholl...@bellatlantic.net> wrote: > look up avascular or osteo necrosis - various agents of disease and even > some medications can cause the cappillaries to stop functioning, > > when/if this occurs, the reduced blood supply thru the cap's causes the > joint tissue/synovium/cartilage to die - i.e. necrotic collapse. Thanks. Pls tell me more about it, how blood flow variations can cause arthritis in view of no blood supply to joints? Do you mean that reduced blood flow effect those tissues which secrete Sy. fluid? Can increased blood flow also result that due to degeneration due to excessive oxidative stress and excessive growth and dying of tissues due to early aging/maturing? Any being may die prematured either by starvation, accident or by early maturing/aging. > > > > Then, how joints tissues get nutrients? How inflammation can happen > > > > without blood flow? [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > - Show quoted text - >Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Best wishes. My bet is that you would be much further ahead if you were more concerned about what inflammatory substances are IN your blood, in stead of the volume. There are numerous blood volume controls: local inflammation, exercise, body position, and blood pressure regulation being several. If you think that blood volume is affecting and arthritic joint, keep it elevated for a while and you can see for yourself if reduced blood flow affects it. Sincerely, BlackHawk > >Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Sincerely, BlackHawk Basically, is it variations in supply to extravascular tissues by any reason?Whether all above can be as a result of decreased/increased supply to extravascular tissues or if they variate supply to tissues? >> >Hello, >> >> >Whether getting arthritis can be as a result of variations in blood >> >flow to any part? If so, will it be due to either decreased or >> >increased blood flow? The Answer to your question is: OF COURSE, or, it doesnt matter, as if there is NO blood flow upstream of the tissue, then the tissue will be dead and whether it is arthritic or not is a moot point; and on the other hand, if the blood contains inflammatory substances which produce arthritis, then the > the blood flow, the > the arthritis, in general.. >> >Best wishes. >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >reason?Whether all above can be as a result of decreased/increased >supply to extravascular tissues or if they variate supply to tissues? Do you have arthritis?, and if so, where?, or is your question just a general inquiry because you are just a curious guy? BlackHawk > >> >Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > produce arthritis, then the > the blood flow, the > the arthritis, in > general.. Thanks. But still tissues can survive but weakened due to decreased supply. On other side they can be matured early so die early on increased supply. Which is more related to arthritis? > >> >Best wishes. > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Do you have arthritis?, and if so, where?, or is your question just a > general inquiry because you are just a curious guy? No I don't have, but few of my relatives have. I am just curious to understand, possibly I may get in future, being diabetic2, though I know other easier ways relating to blood flow/supply variations, so may not get. Recently there is vast exposure in News Papers that few people are treating arthritis/OA by some electromagnetic field therapy. Is it just manipulation of blood flow/supply? > BlackHawk- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - >> >> >Hello, >> [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] >know other easier ways relating to blood flow/supply variations, so >may not get. By what means do you propose to regulate your blood flow to prevent arthritis? Electromagnetism? Electromagnetism is such a powerful basic element of human life that you could do yourself more harm that good by messing with it. If you want to know more about the common elements of diabetes2 and arthritis I suggest that you read: The Anti-Inflammation Zone by Barry Sears. >Recently there is vast exposure in News Papers that few >people are treating arthritis/OA by some electromagnetic field >therapy. Is it just manipulation of blood flow/supply? If you want to know more about electromagnetic fields and health I suggest that you read: The Body Electric by Robert O. Becker. As you are interested in diabetes2 I suggest that you read: Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solution by Richard K. Bernstein, M.D. BlackHawk >> BlackHawk- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >> >> >Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > Diabetes Solution by Richard K. Bernstein, M.D. > BlackHawk There are also some other simpler means. But I just want to know, is it increased blood flow and supply or decreased? Thanks for referances. > >> BlackHawk- Hide quoted text - > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > - Show quoted text - >> >> >> >Hello, >> [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > >There are also some other simpler means. Such as? Meditation? Lower blood pressure? Lower insulin? Lower IRON? What exactly did you have in mind? >But I just want to know, is >it increased blood flow and supply or decreased? To be perfectly honest with you, I don't know, and further, as I said before: My bet is that you would be much further ahead if you were more concerned about what inflammatory substances are IN your blood, in stead of the volume. If you find a rational opinion which places blood volume ahead of blood content, please let me know, as I'm sure it will be a very interesting answer! And good luck, as i think the odds of you finding such an answer are, uh, astronomical. >Thanks for referances. Youre welcome. BlackHawk >> >> BlackHawk- Hide quoted text - > >> >> >> >Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > Such as? Meditation? Lower blood pressure? Lower insulin? Lower IRON? > What exactly did you have in mind? Some other but yet consdered alternative, simplest biochemical based. Even breathing manipulations/changes can effect blood supply. > >But I just want to know, is > >it increased blood flow and supply or decreased? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > concerned about what inflammatory substances are IN your blood, in > stead of the volume. Yes, those can be early reasoning to changes in blood supply. Whether EM fields and UV rays exposure increases or decreases blood supply to tissues? > If you find a rational opinion which places blood volume ahead of > blood content, please let me know, as I'm sure it will be a very > interesting answer! And good luck, as i think the odds of you finding > such an answer are, uh, astronomical. Though stamped alternative, pls try to understand hydrogenoid & kapha constitutions and constitutional importance of heat and moisture in ancient studies. Alterations in blood contents and their bio- activeness can be a reasoning to change in tonicity...as I think about hard and soft water(my other topic). How can we measure tonicity of blood and of circulating contents and cell of blood vessel's wall ? > >Thanks for referances. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > - Show quoted text - >> >> >> >> >Hello, >> [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] >Some other but yet consdered alternative, simplest biochemical based. >Even breathing manipulations/changes can effect blood supply. Controlling breathing through the Buteyko Method is said to control HBP, which will affect the blood supply to tissue. >> >But I just want to know, is >> >it increased blood flow and supply or decreased? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >constitutions and constitutional importance of heat and moisture in >ancient studies. Speaking of Ayurveda, turmeric has been shown to have anti-inflammatory and anti-cancer properties. A REALLY great book on that is: Foods That Fight Cancer: Preventing Cancer Through Diet by Richard Beliveau. >Alterations in blood contents and their bio- >activeness can be a reasoning to change in tonicity...as I think about >hard and soft water(my other topic). The mineral content of drinking water can have a profound impact on health, no doubt. Im just beginning to explore that issue. I have ordered the ph test strips to test the acidity of my saliva. The book I read about that was Death By Diet by Robert R. Barefoot. His claim is that the ph of the body tissue is critical to health. > How can we measure tonicity of blood and of circulating contents and >cell of blood vessel's wall ? The study of biochemistry and physiology should help there. BlackHawk >> >Thanks for referances. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> >> - Show quoted text - > >> >> >> >> >Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 123 lines] > > - Show quoted text - |
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