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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Arthritis / October 2006It works, I'ts cheaper and It's not new
Please, moderator, hear me out. I am offering a product for sale that has helped me with my hands. If this is unacceptable in this newsgroup, please let me know where there is a newsgroup of people willing to try something that may just offer some relief, as it has for me. I realise this just sounds like a spamming/marketing con, but I KNOW it has worked for me and it frustrates me that this group has shown great resistance to being exposed to a product that can actually help because I am apparently only trying to SELL something. Surely it is obvious that no matter what our methods of dealing with a degenerative problem is going to cost, even if it is the cost of medical practioner's fees to tell us there is nothing that can be done. I am not the manufacturer of the product. I was fortunate to meet the person who has developed this and other products that logically improve people's quality of life. I have built the website as my gratitude to his cause and its effectiveness. My sincere apologies if I have over-stepped the purpose of this newsgroup, but I vehemently maintain that is genuinely in everyone's interest to at LEAST open their minds to an opportunity to alleviate their symptoms. If you are one of these people, please reply to this message for the link to where you can find out more. Kind regards, Jeff abuse@iinet.net.au spam@uce.gov groups-abuse@google.com spammer jeff watkinson has on several occasions over the months posted commercial product spam in violation of the usenet charter for: misc.health.arthritis, alt.support.arthritis, and also posted similar spams in other newsgroups. and then wants to argue about whether it's spam. for a listing of his usenet spam posts see: http://tinyurl.com/equru he tried to 'scam' his way and lied: "I logged on to www.itcanthurt.com and ordered their product called o2b Gel." when in fact he is the website being spammed: http://www.itcanthurt.com/ Domain name: itcanthurt.com Administrative Contact: Graphics On Demand mcmak2@gmail.com Hostmaster, Hostmaster 5 Royal Parade Caulfield South, NA 3162 AU +6195281940 Fax: ---------------------------------------- Cab_Savvy <jeff@god.net.au> Domain Name: god.net.au Last Modified: 11-Aug-2006 12:02:41 UTC Registrar ID: R00015-AR Registrar Name: NetRegistry Status: OK Registrant: Jeff Watkinson Registrant ID: ABN 33271452514 "Jeff Watkinson @ Graphics On Demand" 'god.net.au' aka 'graphics on demand' aka 'itcanthurt.com' aka jeff watkinson he is also "Aloe" http://tinyurl.com/outa2 or: http://groups.google.com.au/group/alternative-natural-therapies/browse_thread/th read/aaa9be9499b648d0/613a69c466e82b3e#613a69c466e82b3e he has tried to scam using sockpuppets, in more than one newsgroup, to write to himself as both 'aloe' and 'vera' with the addy of <naturally4good.com> http://tinyurl.com/el7ps Domain name: naturally4good.com Administrative Contact: Graphics On Demand mcmak2@gmail.com Hostmaster, Hostmaster 5 Royal Parade South Caulfield, NA 3162 AU 61395281940 Fax > Please, moderator, hear me out. > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Kind regards, > Jeff Hi Paul, thanks for demonstrating your knowledge on sourcing background information about users of this newsgroup. I still don't understand how you can call my message SPAM. By definition: "Spam is flooding the Internet with many copies of the same message, in an attempt to force the message on people who would not otherwise choose to receive it. Most spam is commercial advertising, often for dubious products, get-rich-quick schemes, or quasi-legal services. Spam costs the sender very little to send -- most of the costs are paid for by the recipient or the carriers rather than by the sender." Source http://spam.abuse.net/overview/whatisspam.shtml Even referring to you very own CHARTER "The proposed group would be intended for discussions about different aspects of arthritis and related autoimmune disorders, such as lupus and scleroderma, mainly from the patient's point of view. Medical discussions are supposed to be informational only, not intended for a substitute of consulting a properly trained medical practitioner. Anyone with an interest in arthritis is free to post, including but not limited to patients, their friends and family members, doctors, and other medical professionals dealing with different forms of arthritis. The following are examples of intended topics: - symptoms and causes of different forms of arthritis - treatments, both conventional and alternative ..." I fail to see how I have violated your charter OR could be considered a SPAMMER. My messages have been personally written with the genuine belief that I am able to offer someone some level of relief. Since you seem to be some kind of watch-dog for everyone else in the group and take it on your own to angrily jump to conclusions making grossly inappropriate accusations, I will never bother your group again. Further proof that I am not a spammer. If I was this message would not have been so personal would it? It would be more likely to be a generated response from my SPAM software or whatever spammers use. Jeff (you have the rest of my details). > ... I will never bother your group again. Hooray! ditto! notice how these spammers always try to claim that one must be 'angry' to post opposing them? and how they rationalize their commercial messages as if the quantity of them makes a difference? and how he just won't discuss or admit to the use of sockpuppetry, and outright lies pretending it wasn't his site(s) shhheeeeeeeesh but they're all the same. be well paul > > ... I will never bother your group again. > > Hooray! lol > Hi Paul, thanks for demonstrating your knowledge on sourcing background > information about users of this newsgroup. why, you're very welcome spammer > I still don't understand how you can call my message SPAM. because of the odor? > By definition: > "Spam is flooding the Internet with many copies of the same message, in [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > by the recipient or the carriers rather than by the sender." > Source http://spam.abuse.net/overview/whatisspam.shtml hmmmmm...seems you forgot the definition of the 'singular' message - i.e. 'unsolicited commercial email or post' > Even referring to you very own CHARTER sure - let's do! > "The proposed group would be intended for discussions about different > aspects of arthritis and related autoimmune disorders, such as lupus > and scleroderma, note: > mainly > from the patient's point of view. Medical > discussions are supposed to be informational only, not intended for a > substitute of consulting a properly trained medical practitioner. gosh - no mention so far about sales pitches from spammers... > Anyone with an interest in arthritis is free to post, including but > not limited to patients, their friends and family members, doctors, and > other medical professionals dealing with different forms of arthritis. still no mention of purveyors of commercial products... > The following are examples of intended topics: > > - symptoms and causes of different forms of arthritis > - treatments, both conventional and alternative ..." gosh - and not word about coming it to sell...that is after all, what has been proven to be your intent...you tried to claim that you 'found' a site, when it turned out you 'are' the site - and it's to turn a buck for you... rule number 1 : spammers lie > I fail to see how I have violated your charter OR could be considered a > SPAMMER. because you're stupid? > My messages have been personally written with the genuine belief that I > am able to offer someone some level of relief. you're messages have been shown to be a pack of lies...your 'belief' was that you were going to try taking dollars from our pockets and transferring them to yours. so we do have some 'relief' that you aren't very good at it... > Since you seem to be some kind of watch-dog for everyone else in the > group ah---poor thing! thought you'd get away with scamming the poor widdle patients, and got caught... > and take it on your own to angrily gosh! why is it that every spammer thinks it is 'anger' that prompts such action? lololololololol > jump to conclusions hmmmm...so, looking up who owned the site that you lied about is jumping to conclusions? most would call it prudence. > making > grossly inappropriate accusations, grossly = posting factual information inappropriate = telling folks you lied thru your teeth, and proving it accusations = you told the truth about my spamming and now i'm going to sulk... > I will never bother your group > again. i doubt that anyone is going to try to dissuade you! > Further proof that I am not a spammer. If I was this message would not > have been so personal would it? well, it so closely resembles messages from other spammers that have tried the same thang that i would have to say: yup! mostly you idjits try to claim that you're just misunderstood. and yup: most of you get personal...lol > It would be more likely to be a > generated response from my SPAM software or whatever spammers use. gosh! you think most spammers use special software? sorry bub - most are just as clueless as you are. > Jeff (you have the rest of my details). indeed we do - as well as the response from your isp(s) - which is really why you're departing - you got spanked and told to stop. It seems to me I heard somewhere that Cab_Savvy wrote in article <1160038623.248225.106950@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>: >Hi Paul, thanks for demonstrating your knowledge on sourcing background >information about users of this newsgroup. >I still don't understand how you can call my message SPAM. That's not all you seem not to understand. >Even referring to you very own CHARTER >"The proposed group would be intended for discussions about different >aspects of arthritis and related autoimmune disorders, such as lupus >and scleroderma, mainly from the patient's point of view. Medical >discussions are supposed to be informational only, not intended for a >substitute of consulting a properly trained medical practitioner. That doesn't seem to be the "very own" charter for misc.health.arthritis, where you are posting. Here's what it looks like (much detail skipped): [Start] Charter for the misc.health.arthritis Newsgroup "Misc.health.arthritis" is intended for discussions about different aspects of arthritis and related autoimmune disorders, such as lupus and scleroderma, mainly from the patient's point of view. [. . .] Anyone with an interest in arthritis is free to post, including but not limited to patients, their friends and family members, doctors, and other medical professionals dealing with different forms of arthritis. [. . .] Scientific discussions that are likely to interest arthritis patients in general are welcome on misc.health.arthritis, even if cross-posted to sci.med.immunology. Commercial advertisements may NOT be posted to the group. [End] >I fail to see how I have violated your charter OR could be considered a >SPAMMER. Do you see it now?  SignatureDon Kirkman > It seems to me I heard somewhere that Cab_Savvy wrote in article > <1160038623.248225.106950@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>: [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > Do you see it now? No > ...I will never bother your group > again. So your promises aren't worth s**t either, huh? LOL! Bud > > ...I will never bother your group > > again. > > So your promises aren't worth s**t either, huh? LOL! > > Bud Don't you have anything better to do? Do you just sit there and wait for an opportunity to to look smug? Enjoy >> > ...I will never bother your group >> > again. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Enjoy Exorcist (aka Cab_Savvy) still trying to pull the 'pure and innocent', huh? Go away sh.t-for-brains. > I still don't understand how you can call my message SPAM. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > choose to receive it. Most spam is commercial advertising, often for > dubious products, get-rich-quick schemes, or quasi-legal services. Exactly what you did, idiot. > Even referring to you very own CHARTER > > "The proposed group would be intended for discussions about different > aspects of arthritis and related autoimmune disorders, such as lupus > and scleroderma, mainly from the patient's point of view. Medical > discussions are supposed to be informational only, "Informational only" does not include selling, dipshit. > The following are examples of intended topics: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I fail to see how I have violated your charter OR could be considered a > SPAMMER. You're selling a product, a.shole. You aren't discussing a disease. > I will never bother your group again. Son't let the door slam your a.s on the way out. > It would be more likely to be a generated response from my SPAM > software What a confession. You admit that you have spam software. |
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