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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Arthritis / May 2006The story of iron
The readers might wonder at the behavior of "ironjustice", here is the short version of his story either provided by him or as observed by his behavior: Using a secret method learned from a book he was able to decode the hidden message of scripture and began his "work": 1 God said not to eat meat but people ate meat in disobedience. 2. as a punishment for this "original sin" people began to suffer diseases. 3. the kind of iron in meat builds up and is the cause of all diseases. 4. all the abstracts and articles cross posted mention iron and some disease together as overwhelming proof while avoiding those showing iron as medical treatment. 5. or they mention vegetarian or antioxidants or chelators or blood loss which are a cure for iron overload which causes all diseases. 6. a great part of each day is given over to searching the internet and cherry picking articles for mention of iron and a disease in the same article, described as "impeccable research", when in fact the content is not comprehended because of the difficult science used. 7. patient posting of these articles will eventually show the proof and acceptance of the iron theory among scientists, while giving meat eaters a good "lesson" of their sinful ways. 8. great scientific recognition and honors will then come, perhaps even a Nobel prize. 9. any mention of the flaws of fact or logic or gross misinterpretation or evidence to the contrary is met with angry hate filled abuse and obscenities. 10. this takes the form of irrelevant staccato phrases using tortured grammar and perverse and obsessive use of "...", accompanied one imagines with the forceful striking of fingers to keyboard. > The readers might wonder at the behavior of "ironjustice", here is the > short version of his story either provided by him or as observed by his > behavior: > > Using a secret method learned from a book he was able to decode the hidden > message of scripture and began his "work": This post makes more sense than anything posted by 'the Iron Kook.' :( > 1 God said not to eat meat but people ate meat in disobedience. Why is that? The god of the Old Testament demanded animal sacrifices. The god of the New Testament demanded just one human/divine sacrifice. Sounds, like god is a blood/meat eater to me. Blood contains iron, and the god in the Old Testament definitely like to see a lot of blood. Good enough for god, but not so great for man. You just got to be kidding Iron Kook!!! I thought that man was not supposed to eat Apples? Please enlighten us, Iron Kook. > 2. as a punishment for this "original sin" people began to suffer diseases. The sins of our fathers are passed down generation by generation. That is why we needed Adam & Eve. The original fem fatal did a number on Adam. Poor,clueless Adam was tricked by Eve, the classic Snake. :( Jesus had Mary as his mother. Therefore, he inherited the X chromosomes of Mary. So, Jesus got the original sins of Adam & Eve by way of Mary. So, Jesus was in fact a sinner thanks to Adam and Eve. Huh? How can that be Iron Kook? No problem'o! The Catholic, or the one true, church, said that the mother of Mary had to be sinless. Now, what about the mother of the mother of the mother of Mary? Hey, what ever happen to the men in their life? Don't they count? Or, that is right Iron Kook: Women view men as optional when it comes to raising a family. During the Middle Ages sickness was clearly seen as god's punishment for sinning. To cure the sick was viewed as blasphemy by the church. :( Yes, Iron Freaks religion is very rational and scientific. Yeah, ... right, sure! :( > 3. the kind of iron in meat builds up and is the cause of all diseases. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > article, described as "impeccable research", when in fact the content is > not comprehended because of the difficult science used. The classic symptoms of compulsive-obsessive disorder sufferer [COD]. Sorry, Iron Kook no normal person would have the time unless they were in fact mentally ill. Who wants their health info spoon feed to them by some COD who thinks Jesus was a vegetarian? > 7. patient posting of these articles will eventually show the proof and > acceptance of the iron theory among scientists, while giving meat eaters a [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > evidence to the contrary is met with angry hate filled abuse and > obscenities. No, the Iron Kook is usually silent. Obviously, he believes in only one-way communication. > 10. this takes the form of irrelevant staccato phrases using tortured > grammar and perverse and obsessive use of "...", accompanied one imagines > with the forceful striking of fingers to keyboard. >>3. the kind of iron in meat builds up and is the cause of all diseases. << And .. 'anonymous' .. says it doesn't .. happen .. CONTRARY .. to a study placed not more than .. ten minutes .. ago .. -------------------------------- Age-associated Iron Accumulation http://tinyurl.com/qasj7 -------------------------------------- NOW .. whos' .. side . does he seem to be .. on .. ? Not .. yours .. 'He / it / she' .. has an agenda .. and this agenda seems to include .. fk anyone with arthritis .. Is that about .. right .. ? Seems to .. be .. Heh .. heh .. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk >>honors will then come, perhaps even a Nobel prize<< Actually the prize will be for .. codebreaking .. sort of like the Junior decoder .. ring .. Since bloodletting .. a treatment which .. EVERYONE .. says .. "doesn't exist in the Bible as a medical treatment .. you piece of sh.t .. " .. NOW .. has been shown to BE the ONLY treatment available for the NUMBER ONE DISEASE IN THE JEWISH .. Eh .. But that little ditty .. doesn't .. 'equate' .. in your .. mind .. Eh .. Years of work spiraling down into one simple message .. bloodletting .. Coincidence .. ? You are a very stupid .. person .. Heh .. heh .. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk > >>honors will then come, perhaps even a > Nobel prize<< [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING > http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk Ah! The mind of the Iron Freak in action. :( As expected, it is nothing but a jumbled mass of sh.t. Just my opinion, but I am NEVER wrong. :) >>Just my opinion, but I am NEVER wrong. :) << I'll simplify it for ya .. People eat meat and crap in the water .. EVERYONE uses the water .. Meat eaters iron levels build to such a point they become reservoirs for pathogens .. The iron buildup {age related iron accumulation] in their bodies rusts / oxidizes destroying .. important .. parts of the .. body . Including bone , tissue , etc , etc. Depleting the body of antioxidants / anti-rust-nutrients .. which are very .. important. Replacing / treating WITH the above depleted .. nutrients .. regrow bone .. regrow tissue .. etc , etc. Works very .. well .. This is with removal of the iron .. of course. But we know that .. already .. don't we .. because OF .. ? .. 'cherry picked articles placed in the newsgroups' .. Isn't that right .. ? I guess you WERE .. right .. again .. Eh .. Whoda .. thunk .. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk > >>Just my opinion, but I am NEVER wrong. :) << > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Isn't that right .. ? Females do NOT have EXCESS iron problems because they end up bleeding every month. Postmenopausal women and men have the option of periodically donating blood. Not much of a humanitarian are you? You have my condolences. What's important is to understand the mechanism involved; otherwise you might avoid something that is necessary and that you are not getting enough of, such as iron. Spiteller gave a good explanation of the role iron plays, but it is further down the pathway, and is not the "cause." Med Hypotheses. 2003 Jan;60(1):69-83. Are lipid peroxidation processes induced by changes in the cell wall structure and how are these processes connected with diseases? Spiteller G. Lehrstuhl Organische Chemie, Universitatsstrasse 30, Bayreuth, Germany. gerhard.spiteller@uni-bayreuth.de Apparently nature uses the unique sensitivity of polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFAs) versus oxygen to generate chemical signals if the surface of a cell is influenced by an outside or inside event; for instance the attack of microorganisms, proliferation, aging or by treatment of isolated cells with surfactants. It seems that mammalian and plant cells respond equally to such changes in their structures by transformation of polyunsaturated fatty acids localized in the phospholipid layer of the cell wall to lipidhydroperoxides (LOOHs). These lipid peroxidation (LPO) processes involve all PUFAs, not only arachidonic acid.Slight physiological changes of the cell wall for instance by proliferation seem to activate enzymes, e.g., phospholipases and lipoxygenases (LOX). When an outside impact (for instance by attack of microorganisms) exceeds a certain level LOX commit suicide and liberate iron ions. These start a nonenzymatic LPO. Enzymatic and nonenzymatic LPO distinguish fundamentally which has not been recognized in the past. In the enzymatic LPO processes peroxyl radicals generated as intermediates cannot leave the enzyme complex. In contrast in a nonenzymatic LPO process peroxyl radicals are not trapped. They attack nearly any kind of biological molecules, for instance proteins. Thus only the amount of an outside impact decides if proliferation, apoptosis, or necrosis is started.Some evidence indicates that cancer might be the consequence of a low response of cells to induce apoptotic LPO processes. In contrast to high level of LPO processes induces diseases combined with inflammation, for instance rheumatic arthritis. After consumption of food rich in linoleic acid its LPO products become increased in low density lipoprotein (LDL). This LDL is able to enter endothelial cells and damage cells from inside, long before an inflammatory response is detectable. >>What's important is to understand the mechanism involved; otherwise you might avoid something that is necessary and that you are not getting enough of, such as iron. << Now how would you accomplish this .. feat ..? This .. "not getting enough iron" .. ? EVERY food has iron in it .. And with plenty of iron in the stores .. the body is NEVER .. "not getting enough iron" .. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk Title: Level of Dietary Iron, Not Type of Dietary Fat, Is Hyperlipidemic in Copper-Deficient Rats Authors Fields, Meira Lewis, Charles Submitted to: Journal of American College of Nutrition Publication Type: Peer Reviewed Journal Publication Acceptance Date: May 21, 1999 Publication Date: N/A Interpretive Summary: Both cholesterol and triglycerides are blood risk factor metabolites associated with heart disease. Therefore, we are advised to reduce the consumption of nutrients which have the potential to elevate these risky compounds. One of these undesirable nutrients are saturated fats. We are recommended to substitute saturated fat with unsaturated fat because unsaturated fat does not raise blood lipids. Based on our recent studies we noticed that high levels of dietary iron have the potential to elevate the concentrations of cholesterol and triglycerides in blood. We asked whether the consumption of high levels of iron will overrule the protective effects of unsaturated fat. When rats were fed diets which contained high levels of iron, they exhibited high levels of blood triglycerides. When the diets consumed were high in iron but low in copper they caused an elevation of blood cholesterol even when the diets contained unsaturated fat. Data clearly show regardless of the type of dietary fat, levels of dietary iron are responsible for elevating blood risk metabolites associated with heart disease. Nutritionists, health and medical professionals should benefit from these data and should be aware of the undesirable effects of the consumption of high levels of dietary iron. Technical Abstract: This study was conducted to determine whether high dietary iron will negate the protective effect of unsaturated fat against hyperlipidemia. Forty- eight weanling, male Sprague Dawley rats were randomly assigned to 8 dietary groups differing in the levels of copper and iron and type of dietary fat (saturated or unsaturated). The diets were either deficient (0.6 ug Cu/g) or adequate (6.8 ug Cu/g) copper and either adequate (53 ug Fe/g) or high (506 ug Fe/g) iron. All diets contained starch as the sole source of dietary carbohydrate. Regardless of the type of dietary fat, three copper-deficient rats fed the high levels of dietary iron died prematurely due to ruptured hearts. Surviving rats belonging to the copper deficiency and high-dietary iron regimen developed severe anemia, enlarged hearts and livers, and exhibited the highest levels of liver iron. These rats also developed hypercholesterolemia. Triglycerides were elevated by the consumption of high iron diets. Data show that levels of dietary iron not the type of dietary fat are potential inducers of hypertriglyceridemia. Data also show that the combination of high iron intake and dietary copper deficiency is responsible for elevating blood cholesterol. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk >Apparently nature uses the unique sensitivity of polyunsaturated fatty >acids (PUFAs) versus oxygen to generate chemical signals if the surface >of a cell is influenced by an outside or inside event; for instance the >attack of microorganisms, proliferation, aging or by treatment of >isolated cells with surfactants. It seems that mammalian and plant >cells respond equally to such changes in their structures by There's an analogy in many plants, like in garlic, when a fungi attacks a cell wall, the cell leaks out alliin which then come in contact with alliinase on the outer side of the membrane and allicin is formed, a strong fungi-killing (and bacteria killing too) agent. |
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