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Kate - 02 Feb 2006 03:07 GMT
Anyone have the kyphoplasty procedure? I have 2 fractures in my
thoracic spine, get the MRI Friday to see if I can have this procedure.
Any info would be helpful. Kate
RoseB - 02 Feb 2006 03:21 GMT
>Anyone have the kyphoplasty procedure? I have 2 fractures in my
>thoracic spine, get the MRI Friday to see if I can have this procedure.
>Any info would be helpful. Kate

Oh no Kate (kropos)
I am sorry to hear it.
I don;t know anything about it, I just wanted you to know I was
thinking about you and had read your post.

I did the thing with your name so that people would be able to
distinguish you from the other Kate who is going through STUFF with
her arm.

It seems like our Kates are having problems this winter.
    Rose   @}>->--
    Being educated means that rather than fearing the unknown, one seeks to understand it. RB

    Please remove "Ima" to reply.
d'huit - 02 Feb 2006 06:22 GMT
(((((((((((((((Kate)))))))))))))))  man, those fractures sound painful!  i
sure hope it's not as bad as it sounds. i wish i had info to share, kid.  is
that the procedure where they inject a kind of cement?  please let us know
how the mri goes.

kate

Anyone have the kyphoplasty procedure? I have 2 fractures in my
thoracic spine, get the MRI Friday to see if I can have this procedure.
Any info would be helpful. Kate
DianeW - 02 Feb 2006 12:54 GMT
Kate -  Let me say I can honestly feel your pain!  I am recovering from
two compression fractures in my spine - T11 and T12 right now and had 4
of them 2 and a half years ago. I've never been in so much pain in my
life. I've shrunk 4.5 inches as well. Have you measured your height?
Where are they? How are you holding out? Are you having trouble
sleeping in a bed?  I found a recliner to be the only place I could
sleep.

To answer your question -I have not had the kyphoplasty. My family doc
wanted me to have it this time, but I was so discouraged from having it
last time and that combined with a lot of other things going on put me
off having it this time.  I hear if it's successful, your pain is gone
immediately. I had my records reviewed at Mayo Clinic and they told me
that if I could recover without it, it was preferable because of my age
(50 at the time) The neurosurgeon there told me that they do not have
longevity studies yet on the cement that they use as the procedure has
been (at that time) only been done for about 12 years and they are were
afraid to find out in 20 or more years that it would degrade and leak
out and cause paralysis. Mostly he told me the procedure was done on
people in there 70-80's and they weren't too worried about longevity at
that point. He told me if the pain was getting better and I could live
with it, that it was better not to have it.  This time my family doc is
very gung ho on my having it done. He said he's never heard anything
about the cement and even spoke personally to the interventional
radiologist who does it here about it and he'd never heard that either.
I still didn't have it done. I'm a worrier.

Of course, I have so many other reasons not to have surgery - I take
coumadin and that would complecate the surgery. When I was last in the
hospital I had a hemotoma in my knee from complications of trying to
get my PT/INR right. I can't afford one in my spinal column.

The pain is tolorable and I know it will get better over time. The
worst of it has past.  The loss in height drives me crazy but they told
me there was no guarentee that the height would return completely with
the procedure. It's hell buying clothes now and I can't reach anything
on the top shelves anymore. I have to have all my closets re-aligned
because at 5' 7.5' I didn't have any trouble with them and now I'm
cursing all the time and using a reacher because at 5'3" I can't reach
anything!

For me, it's been a choice not to have it. Apparently it is better done
while the fractures are considered "acute"  But Mayo clinic said they
have done them as many as 4-6 months out.

Let me know what you decide.  Cyberhugs....gentle ones....DianeW
Squirrely - 02 Feb 2006 16:50 GMT
Oh Kate, feeling your pain. I know that area from what my chiro said is the
least bothered area. I feel for you  and hope it heals quickly with whatever
has to be done to help you with it. I can not imagine the pain you must be
in because of it.

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Hugs, prayers, good thoughts,
Warm fuzzies, TLC, and Love
Squirrely Jo

> Anyone have the kyphoplasty procedure? I have 2 fractures in my
> thoracic spine, get the MRI Friday to see if I can have this procedure.
> Any info would be helpful. Kate
DianeW - 02 Feb 2006 17:30 GMT
Squirrely Jo - I don't exactly know what your chiro meant by least
bothered, but when I had my fractures there over Christmas, the pain
was so severe that I didn't sleep for 4 days even maxed out on my pain
meds!  Fortunatly the severe pain didn't last longer than two weeks and
I was finally able to get the right combo of drugs so I could sleep. I
don't know how it is for Kate, but that was how it was for me.
Cyberhugs, DianeW
Squirrely - 03 Feb 2006 05:31 GMT
Diane,

I read your other post to Kate too. I guess I totally fogged out your
fractures to the thoracic. I was somehow thinking your fractures were in the
cervical or lumbar area.

My chiro said that most disk problems and fractures happened in the cervical
and lumbar areas. I was not by any chance minimizing your pain or anything
or saying it couldn't happen. I am really interested in this area as I have
so much problems with the thoracic area and the rib cage area running from
there. I have started swelling, or maybe I should say developing a hump in
that area. It is slight, but when Jim is rubbing my back with that wooden
thingy, I can feel him catch on it all the time. I thought it was pushing
out more and more, but didn't realize how much till about a month ago when
he was rubbing my whole back.

I have had really severe pain in that area several times too. I call it my
breather, because when it gets really bad, I don't feel like I can breath.
It hurts to take big breath in, to expand that area.

I sure all of you that suffer with this get some help with it. It sounds
truly horrifying. I feel for you all that deal with this.

That was alot of good info you included in your post to Kate. I learned alot
from your post and what was going on with you.

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Hugs, prayers, good thoughts,
Warm fuzzies, TLC, and Love
Squirrely Jo

> Squirrely Jo - I don't exactly know what your chiro meant by least
> bothered, but when I had my fractures there over Christmas, the pain
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> don't know how it is for Kate, but that was how it was for me.
> Cyberhugs, DianeW
DianeW - 03 Feb 2006 07:06 GMT
Oh Squirrely Jo - Not to worry! I didn't think you were minimizing my
pain. Only that the chiro might be!  LOL  That I did have fractures in
the lumbar area a few years ago and those did hurt worse than the
Thoracic ones did.  I'm just tired of the pain. Just plain tired. I
kept hitting the wrong keys@  OH there I go again. I'll try again
tomorrowl NIte. DianeW
Squirrely - 03 Feb 2006 15:58 GMT
I do feel for you big time. The one time I was really bad, I wore my lumbar
brace and my son still had to crawl up in bed behind me and hold against my
back so that I could get up out of bed to go to the bathroom. I couldn't
move without him holding my back to get up out of bed. I was ok, well as ok
as you can be when standing and walking in alot of pain. But the pain was so
bad I couldn't get out of bed without help.

So when someone is talking about fractures, I cringe. I can't even imagine
that kind of pain. I had to stay in bed a month with the one I was telling
about  above.

Don't you hate how your fingers have a mind of their own. I get so
frustrated when I have to keep going back and changing things. ;-)

You take care sweetie and know I am always thinking of you. Same goes for
Kate.

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Warm fuzzies, TLC, and Love
Squirrely Jo

> Oh Squirrely Jo - Not to worry! I didn't think you were minimizing my
> pain. Only that the chiro might be!  LOL  That I did have fractures in
> the lumbar area a few years ago and those did hurt worse than the
> Thoracic ones did.  I'm just tired of the pain. Just plain tired. I
> kept hitting the wrong keys@  OH there I go again. I'll try again
> tomorrowl NIte. DianeW
DianeW - 03 Feb 2006 20:08 GMT
Thank you!  I actually don't sleep in a bed anymore -- not since I
discovered sleeping in a recliner chair which is my recomendation for
anyone with spinal fractures.  You pop right out of that chair when I
pull the control.  Much easier than trying to sleep flat.  We actually
bought a new recliner for the family room and put the old one in the
master for me to sleep on.  Still do after almost two years.  I get
better sleep on it than I EVER did in a bed. I actually can sleep for
6-8 hours without waking up.  Ever since I got sick sleeping thru the
night was only a memory.  Now it's a regular event again.  DianeW
Nann Bell - 04 Feb 2006 03:58 GMT
> Thank you!  I actually don't sleep in a bed anymore -- not since I
> discovered sleeping in a recliner chair which is my recomendation for
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> 6-8 hours without waking up.  Ever since I got sick sleeping thru the
> night was only a memory.  Now it's a regular event again.  DianeW

ya know, i've passed on that recliner recommendation to assorted folks i know
out of asa with back or rib problems.  just had a thought reading your note
though - have you tried one of those recliners that lifts you halfway up to
standing?  the house my mom lived in while hers was being rebuilt had one of
those and everyone fell in love with it.  in fact, after my mom moved back
home, the owners of the house (friends of the family) gave the recliner to
her dad as it had become so popular during my mom's residence.

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DianeW - 04 Feb 2006 04:40 GMT
I tried it out at the store. It is very cool but I'm going to rely on
my thigh muscles as long as they are working!  Got to have some
muscles!  But thanks for thinking of me.  DianeW
spodosaurus - 04 Feb 2006 06:01 GMT
> Thank you!  I actually don't sleep in a bed anymore -- not since I
> discovered sleeping in a recliner chair which is my recomendation for
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> 6-8 hours without waking up.  Ever since I got sick sleeping thru the
> night was only a memory.  Now it's a regular event again.  DianeW

We thought about doing this, but they don't make double recliner chairs
(at least none available locally) and I can't sleep unless I'm next to
my wife. My three spinal fractures seem to be healing now (after a year
and 5 months on Actonel) but I think I fractured another metatarsal
yesterday. Either that, or I'm about to have a flare of whatever this as
yet unnamed autoimmune arthritis is that started attacking me during the
last 8 months... I think I'd rather have another spinal fracture than
whatever it is that's attacking my thoracic spine and causing its
curvature to increase (the doc thinks it's AS, but I'm HLA-B27 negative
and there's not much that can be done for me even with a definitive
diagnosis).

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I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/

d'huit - 04 Feb 2006 07:32 GMT
DianeW wrote:
> Thank you!  I actually don't sleep in a bed anymore -- not since I
> discovered sleeping in a recliner chair which is my recomendation for
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> 6-8 hours without waking up.  Ever since I got sick sleeping thru the
> night was only a memory.  Now it's a regular event again.  DianeW

We thought about doing this, but they don't make double recliner chairs
(at least none available locally) and I can't sleep unless I'm next to
my wife.

they actually make split-queen and. split-king sized beds (with
separate/individual sleeper controls), or whole queen. whole king sized beds
that have one control unit---these types allow one to sleep in a recliner
position.  there are also sofas/couches that have side by side recliners
built into them--Lane, Lazyboy et al . . ..  lots of companies make all of
these items.    scan the web for them and use their store locator functions
to find shopping outlets nearer to you.  maybe one of these would help you
rest better, ari?

kate

My three spinal fractures seem to be healing now (after a year
and 5 months on Actonel) but I think I fractured another metatarsal
yesterday. Either that, or I'm about to have a flare of whatever this as
yet unnamed autoimmune arthritis is that started attacking me during the
last 8 months... I think I'd rather have another spinal fracture than
whatever it is that's attacking my thoracic spine and causing its
curvature to increase (the doc thinks it's AS, but I'm HLA-B27 negative
and there's not much that can be done for me even with a definitive
diagnosis).

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I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/

DianeW - 04 Feb 2006 17:25 GMT
The recliner works for me because sadly, I can't sleep even in the same
room wth my husband. Not only does he snore like a freight train - you
can hear him thru the wall - he also flails and is a big guy. One black
eye was enough. And that wasn't even as bad as the arm across the chest
that stops your breathing. We decided early on that the only way to
save this marrage was separate bedrooms.  :)

I wonder how Kate is doing?  Has anyone heard from her? maybe she had
the kyphplasty?  I'd be so eager to hear how it worked out if she did.
Cyberhugs -- DianeW
Newsgroup Spambuster - 04 Feb 2006 21:06 GMT
{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Kate}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

So sorry to hear about the compression fractures you are suffering with.
Sounds pretty miserable!!!

Am wondering if kyphoplasty is what KJ had done?   Anyone remember???

Sending healing prayers to you Kate!!!

Donna G
spodosaurus - 05 Feb 2006 07:33 GMT
> The recliner works for me because sadly, I can't sleep even in the same
> room wth my husband. Not only does he snore like a freight train - you
> can hear him thru the wall - he also flails and is a big guy. One black
> eye was enough.

Sounds like how my wife sleeps *hides before she sees this*

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spammage trappage: remove the underscores to reply

I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/

DianeW - 05 Feb 2006 18:59 GMT
Tee Hee....
spodosaurus - 05 Feb 2006 19:06 GMT
> Tee Hee....

I guess she can't be that bad...I haven't lost any teeth yet, and the
CPAP mask protects my nose...
Kate - 09 Feb 2006 04:01 GMT
I am hanging in there. I had the MRI and the fractures have been there
awhile cuz he said he can't do anyting for me. i also have some disc
bulging in my lower back which is why it hurts. So I start Boniva for
my bones and phyiscal therapy for strengthening . Still those "old"
fractures hurt like new ones and sitting at my computer all day at work
did not help one bit. So I took a pain pill which I rarely do and I'm
going to bed. i feel better laying down than sitting up. Thanks for all
your good thoughts Kate
 
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