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Chris Malcolm - 07 Jan 2006 11:23 GMT
I don't really have problems yet with arthritis, in the sense that I
only limp imperceptibly and can still open stiff jars and door knobs,
although it hurts a bit. So I'm wondering, what's the best way of
slowing down or even stopping :-) the progression of arthritis?

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spodosaurus - 07 Jan 2006 11:34 GMT
> I don't really have problems yet with arthritis, in the sense that I
> only limp imperceptibly and can still open stiff jars and door knobs,
> although it hurts a bit. So I'm wondering, what's the best way of
> slowing down or even stopping :-) the progression of arthritis?

That depends on the type of arthritis.

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MikesBrain - 07 Jan 2006 11:51 GMT
2006-01-07, Responding to Chris Malcolm...
> I don't really have problems yet with arthritis, in the sense that I
> only limp imperceptibly and can still open stiff jars and door knobs,
> although it hurts a bit. So I'm wondering, what's the best way of
> slowing down or even stopping :-) the progression of arthritis?

You could get an early assessment of the type of arthritis
you may be starting to suffer with, and could also look at
"support" actions, like starting with glucosomine
suppliments etc. and a gentle exercise program designed to
help "limber up" your joints to help maintain what movement
you still have at this early stage.

I'd also be reading up on the things that add to the
"creeping in" of arthritis, and learning how to avoid these
things now, while you have something to "protect".

Remember that any advice you'll get will be from someone
else's perspective, and in some cases could actually have a
negative impact. So do your own research and find out what
works best for you. Then post up what you find so others can
benefit from your successes. :)

HINT = You can achive a lot by paying attention to your diet.

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bevboo - 07 Jan 2006 13:20 GMT
If you have it in your hands or wrists sometimes daily use of a
keyboard helps your fingers stay limber.  Also moderate exercise helps,
walking for 10 minutes a day helps as well.....

Stay away from Ibuprofen if you need pain relief. My RD told me it
attacks something in the joints (cartlidge) i think.

Hope that helps
Thumper - 07 Jan 2006 16:34 GMT
>2006-01-07, Responding to Chris Malcolm...
>> I don't really have problems yet with arthritis, in the sense that I
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>HINT = You can achive a lot by paying attention to your diet.

CITE?
Thumper

>Mike@N.UK
MikesBrain - 07 Jan 2006 21:43 GMT
2006-01-07, Responding to Thumper...

[...]
>>HINT = You can achive a lot by paying attention to your diet.
>
> CITE?
> Thumper

You can only have cites if you boil them for at least
20mins. ;)

The reason I've not posted up any links is because I'm not
making a huge claim about a miracle breakthrough, just
pointing out what seems to me to be the kind of common sense
I wish I'd had back when I could have done things
differently, like getting a car instead of being all macho
and riding my motorbike through each winter (the *old*
winters that is) with grim determination, staying up all
night ignoring my aching fingers while changing yet another
engine before going to work to do more long-term damage etc.

Oh boy, am I paying for all that fun now! :(

Diet appears to bear some relationship to the development of
many conditions like arthritis, and as the OP is at the
"early days" stage, paying attention to what goes in, and
just as importantly, what doesn't, can make a noticable
difference in how arthritis develops. Of course, giving up
bungee jumping is also going to help your knees last a bit
longer, and improvements are not going to be
gained/maintained simply by eating a tin of "Dr Bob's
Wunda-Scoff" every day, but avoiding "Big Billy's Bouncing
Burgers" that contain ingredients known to inflame arthritic
joints more likely will.

If only I'd eaten my broccolli when I was a child! ;)

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Thumper - 07 Jan 2006 23:30 GMT
>2006-01-07, Responding to Thumper...
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>Diet appears to bear some relationship to the development of
>many conditions like arthritis,

Where do you get this from?
Thumper

>and as the OP is at the
>"early days" stage, paying attention to what goes in, and
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>
>Mike@N.UK
MikesBrain - 08 Jan 2006 11:28 GMT
2006-01-07, Responding to Thumper...

[...]
>> Diet appears to bear some relationship to the development
>> of many conditions like arthritis,
>
> Where do you get this from?

Bad diet can contribute to manifestation of symptoms.

Therefore, an appropriate diet at an early stage can help
"hold back" (read "avoid"?) some development of symptoms.
Kinda logical I thought. As I said, if I'd known back then
what my diet and actions would bring me today, I'd have done
many things differently, including making sure my diet was
more likely to help my body contain/limit what I'm now
living with as a result.

Or did you think I was proposing some kind of miracle diet
"cure" or something?

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spodosaurus - 08 Jan 2006 15:35 GMT
> 2006-01-07, Responding to Thumper...
>
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>
> Bad diet can contribute to manifestation of symptoms.

What constitutes a "bad diet"? Which symptoms do each bad aspect of the
diet contribute to? Which studies support these assertions?

> Therefore, an appropriate diet at an early stage can help
> "hold back" (read "avoid"?) some development of symptoms.

What is an "appropriate diet"? Which studies support these assertions?

> Kinda logical I thought. As I said, if I'd known back then
> what my diet and actions would bring me today, I'd have done
> many things differently, including making sure my diet was
> more likely to help my body contain/limit what I'm now
> living with as a result.

Are you simply talking about attempts to keep weight gain to a minimum?
If so, yes, this is kinda logical as it reduces loading on the painful
joints.

> Or did you think I was proposing some kind of miracle diet
> "cure" or something?
>
> Mike@N.UK

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neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
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MikesBrain - 08 Jan 2006 23:27 GMT
2006-01-08, Responding to spodosaurus...
>> 2006-01-07, Responding to Thumper...
>>
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> aspect of the diet contribute to? Which studies support
> these assertions?

You tell me. What sets off your arthritic inflamation? What
(if any) foods contributed to situations where your
arthritis was "flared", possibly resulting in a general
reduction of health, that could have impacted over time on
your general condition, and...

Come on Spod. I'm not selling a "cure" here, just making an
observation that someone at an early stage of arthritic
conditions could benefit from, along with other ways of
holding back what can be held back where possible.

If you want more on this particular subject, there's plenty
of current documentation to be found on the mainstream
arthritis sites, discounting the "miracle cure" stuff I
already mentioned. (Not that I've tried currents you
understand ;)

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spodosaurus - 09 Jan 2006 12:18 GMT
> 2006-01-08, Responding to spodosaurus...
>
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> already mentioned. (Not that I've tried currents you
> understand ;)

So basically you're not saying 'follow a special diet and your symptoms
will improve', you're saying 'pay attention to what causes flare ups if
you have an auto-immune type of arthritis'? I understand this latter
statement and have found I have a couple of food intolerances, but these
affect only my intestines, not my joints. My doctor hasn't put a name to
the seronegative spodyloarthropathy that I've developed, but I guess in
time I might notice something I eat making it worse (especially if it
affects my posture by making my intestines crook, hehe).

Ari

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I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/

MikesBrain - 09 Jan 2006 13:19 GMT
2006-01-09, Responding to spodosaurus...

[...]
>>>What constitutes a "bad diet"? Which symptoms do each bad
>>>aspect of the diet contribute to? Which studies support
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> to what causes flare ups if you have an auto-immune type
> of arthritis'?

Yeah, thats about where I was, I think. :)

(I didn't do such a good job of making the point though
huh? Damn this low cloud cover!!!)

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Rosemarie Shiver - 09 Jan 2006 17:56 GMT
FM isn't contagious but FibroFog is. <weg>

Hugs from Rosie

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> 2006-01-09, Responding to spodosaurus...
>
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>
> Mike@N.UK
MikesBrain - 09 Jan 2006 21:48 GMT
2006-01-09, Responding to Rosemarie Shiver...

>> (I didn't do such a good job of making the point though
>>  huh? Damn this low cloud cover!!!)
>
> FM isn't contagious but FibroFog is. <weg>

'Cept I don't have FMS, Elaine does.

Mind you, I get her PMS, so WTH? :(

P.S. You might want to fix that double-dash thing in your
posts as it barfs up newsreaders that snip sig-lines before
posting. A double-dash acts as a usenet control signal to
indicate that anything below it is a sig-line and can be
safely auto-snipped. This buggers up quoting for some.

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Rosemarie Shiver - 10 Jan 2006 00:52 GMT
  Right-o and you caught the Fibro-Fog, not the FM. DH does my fog for me,
as well, and never caught the actual FM.

   One of these days we need to ask how many FM'er SO's get fogged on a
regular basis. :-)

Hugs from Rosie

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> 2006-01-09, Responding to Rosemarie Shiver...
>
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> Mike@N.UK
MikesBrain - 10 Jan 2006 10:15 GMT
2006-01-10, Responding to Rosemarie Shiver...
>    Right-o and you caught the Fibro-Fog, not the FM. DH does my fog for me,
> as well, and never caught the actual FM.
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>
> Hugs from Rosie

Yeah, but not this week, ok? :(

P.S. Notice how I didn't quote any of the post this relates
to as your double-dash caused my auto sig-snipper to snip it
before I could quote it, and I couldn't be bothered
copy/pasting anything back into this post. Slap wristies!

HINT = Just change the double-dash to a double something
else, like == or __ or somt'n. That should fix the problem.
Or just reconfigure your newsreader to add it AFTER a post,
and not BEFORE it. :)

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Rosemarie Shiver - 10 Jan 2006 15:54 GMT
Not a chance, Mikey,

   It's really rare for me to snip (typically only the most egregious trash
is whut I take out) and the cases where I'm auto-snipped are a real boon!
Thanks for letting yer program slash it. Here and at AMF it's well
understood we have conditions that affect how we post...so the 'Netiquette
posting rules may or may not have currency...usually not.

   Thankyousoverymuch!

Hugs from Rosie

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> 2006-01-10, Responding to Rosemarie Shiver...
> >    Right-o and you caught the Fibro-Fog, not the FM. DH does my fog for me,
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>
> Mike@N.UK
MikesBrain - 10 Jan 2006 20:13 GMT
2006-01-10, Responding to Rosemarie Shiver...
> Not a chance, Mikey,
>
>     It's really rare for me to snip (typically only the
> most egregious trash is whut I take out) and the cases
> where I'm auto-snipped are a real boon! Thanks for letting
> yer program slash it.

Er... I'm confused now.

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Rosemarie Shiver - 11 Jan 2006 00:25 GMT
Okey dokie then,

  Binaries in a non-binary NG..still out, no way. HTML? Still nope...don't
do it here.

  Posting replies sandwiched into the parts of the original msg.? If ya
can. Bottom post? If scrolling is something you can still do.

   But as for me, I've got Carpel Tunnel in both wrists and I have a
connective tissue disease that makes it painful to scroll, select, cut,
scroll summore, select summore, cut...etc. So I rarely ever snip unless it's
something really awful that needs getting rid of.

  And I just about always top post. In the NG's I go to I get away with
doing this this way 'cuz they know I'm Gimp'd and FM'd up.

  Here ( and for the most part at AMF) it's post any which way ya can and
snip IF ya can. If not, not. Pain prevents more than a few from doing whut
'Netiquette sez we must.  Folks are just happy to see posting, basically.

   So the bit of snipping when you reply to me is the most what I've
written has been snipped all year.

   I actually pay allowance to my 10 yr. old to do the cutting and pasting
on this 'puter for the Weekly Stats I post at one of the quit NG's. :-) What
else are kids for, anyways? LOL

Mikey Hugs from Rosie

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> 2006-01-10, Responding to Rosemarie Shiver...
> > Not a chance, Mikey,
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>
> Mike@N.UK
MikesBrain - 11 Jan 2006 11:03 GMT
2006-01-11, Responding to Rosemarie Shiver...
> Okey dokie then,
>
>    Binaries in a non-binary NG..still out, no way. HTML?
> Still nope...don't do it here.

Er...?

>    Posting replies sandwiched into the parts of the original msg.? If ya
> can. Bottom post? If scrolling is something you can still do.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> scroll summore, select summore, cut...etc. So I rarely ever snip unless it's
> something really awful that needs getting rid of.

Ah...

>    And I just about always top post. In the NG's I go to I get away with
> doing this this way 'cuz they know I'm Gimp'd and FM'd up.
>
>    Here ( and for the most part at AMF) it's post any which way ya can and
> snip IF ya can. If not, not. Pain prevents more than a few from doing whut
> 'Netiquette sez we must.  Folks are just happy to see posting, basically.

Ok...

>     So the bit of snipping when you reply to me is the most what I've
> written has been snipped all year.

Um...

>     I actually pay allowance to my 10 yr. old to do the cutting and pasting
> on this 'puter for the Weekly Stats I post at one of the quit NG's. :-) What
> else are kids for, anyways? LOL

Heh!

> Mikey Hugs from Rosie

Ooh!

Still confused though, and my fingers are hurting this
morning, so I'll not be copy/pasting what we were talking
about back into this post ok? :(

As the great bard said, "Whut-evah! Ah dooo whut ah wahnt!"

    ;)

P.S. Those PageUP and PageDOWN keys can be damn useful!

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Thumper - 11 Jan 2006 19:10 GMT
>2006-01-08, Responding to spodosaurus...
>>> 2006-01-07, Responding to Thumper...
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>reduction of health, that could have impacted over time on
>your general condition, and...

NONE.
>Come on Spod. I'm not selling a "cure" here, just making an
>observation that someone at an early stage of arthritic
>conditions could benefit from, along with other ways of
>holding back what can be held back where possible.

I know what you're saying and I say there is no factual basis for your
belief.
Thumper
>If you want more on this particular subject, there's plenty
>of current documentation to be found on the mainstream
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>Mike@N.UK
MikesBrain - 11 Jan 2006 20:46 GMT
2006-01-11, Responding to Thumper...

>> .... I'm not selling a "cure" here, just making an
>> observation that someone at an early stage of arthritic
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> I know what you're saying and I say there is no factual
> basis for your belief.

Why am I getting the feeling you're hammering at something
here Thumper? This has gone beyond asking a casual question.
Do you have a point to make here?

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Thumper - 12 Jan 2006 12:08 GMT
>2006-01-11, Responding to Thumper...
>
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>here Thumper? This has gone beyond asking a casual question.
>Do you have a point to make here?

I'm sickand tired of people making false claims about our disease.
Some of us are so desperate for relief that they believe almost
anything.  Do you think we would be taking all these meds, joint
drainings, injections, transfusions and surgeries if diet or any other
simple method would offer us relief?  The "Diet" industry openly
advertises cures for just about everything via their "Diet"  They
should be brought up on charges.  Despite many studies, there has not
been any significant link between diet and RA.
Thumper

>Mike@N.UK
MikesBrain - 12 Jan 2006 21:11 GMT
2006-01-12, Responding to Thumper...

>>2006-01-11, Responding to Thumper...
>>
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> been any significant link between diet and RA.
> Thumper

Er, ok. And you're leaping all over my post as it might have
looked a tad like a chunk of "miracle-cure" spam maybe?

Did you miss the bit where I said that was not what I was
saying at all? Did you miss the bit where I explained that
what I was talking about was something I understand based on
my experiences, not on other's?

To explain, once again...

If you know that eating substance-A causes you some kind of
reaction that can reduce your body's capacity to at least
"hold back" an arthritic related problem, then eating it
will therefore, quite logically, contribute to arthritic
degeneration.

If you discover that eating substance-B actually helps your
body cope with arthritic degeneration, or any other the
manifest symptoms that can also exacerbate the condition,
then eating it, quite logically, can HELP to at least
contain arthritic symptoms, even if that is only within the
parameters that it CAN be minimised.

Same thing with activities, which I mentioned, which CAN and
DO contribute to arthritic degeneration. My fingers know
this. My back knows this. My neck knows this. And dammit!
*I* know this! And wish I'd known these things years back
when I could have avoided causing some of the damage that
HAS contributed to MY arthritic degeneration.

No medical claims. No miracle cure. Just a bit of common
sense, offered as a hint to someone who was asking what
could be done to avoid what could be avoided in coming
years. ("YMMV" and "research for yourself" were taken as
read.)

Or are you saying that eating coal and drinking battery acid
won't make that much difference? ;)

Or have I just still got that duck-target stuck to my back?

>>Mike@N.UK

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Chris Malcolm - 12 Jan 2006 00:14 GMT
> 2006-01-08, Responding to spodosaurus...
>>> 2006-01-07, Responding to Thumper...
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>> aspect of the diet contribute to? Which studies support
>> these assertions?

> You tell me. What sets off your arthritic inflamation? What
> (if any) foods contributed to situations where your
> arthritis was "flared", possibly resulting in a general
> reduction of health, that could have impacted over time on
> your general condition, and...

I already have some general clues in that direction. I discovered
nearly two years ago that I was diabetic, by which of course I mean
that I discovered two years ago that I'd been diabetic for at least
some years already. The first thing I did was to start reducing those
foods which caused my blood sugar to spike. As I got my blood sugar
under control I noticed that several small joint pains which had been
getting worse over the years now started slowly getting better.

The connection was confirmed at Xmas, when I got lazy and ate a lot of
things I shouldn't. The result was that joint pains, weakness, and
fatigue, came galloping back. Now that I've become more disciplined in
blood sugar control they've started receding again.

I've also started taking more exercise, no special programme, just
taking more opportunities to walk, cycle, garden, DIY, and so on. What
I notice there is that now, at age 63 and with some mild arthritis,
it's annoyingly easy to strain my tendons, and they take months to
calm down when I've strained them.

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Thumper - 11 Jan 2006 19:08 GMT
>2006-01-07, Responding to Thumper...
>
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>Or did you think I was proposing some kind of miracle diet
>"cure" or something?

I'm asking you where you get this from.  It appears to be your opinion
and not based on fact.
Thumper

>Mike@N.UK
Diane - 07 Jan 2006 14:25 GMT
hi chris,

if you are having these symptoms, please see a rheumatologist to find
out what type of arthritis you have. with any type, the sooner you are
diagnosed and start treatment, the more likely you'll be able to slow
or stop the progression.

diane
Nann Bell - 07 Jan 2006 16:38 GMT
Get to a doctor, preferably a rheumatologist, and be assessed to see what
type of arthritis you have.  Treatment and prevention strategies vary greatly
in specifics depending on what is going on.  In general though, you need to
exercise in ways that do not stress your affected joints in order to retain
as much use of them as you can.  But from what you say, it sounds like you
may need medication NOW to help slow, maybe even halt, the progression of the
disease.  Get to a doctor NOW and do what is necessary to avoid permanent
joint damage.

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Jack N Dalton - 07 Jan 2006 18:36 GMT
Since the MMPs do a LOT of damage in Arthritis just block them. Take lots of
anti- inflammatory "things" and avoid those that cause/support inflammation
which is very simple but requires a lot of research. Some details are in my
postings. I invite you to join the search for the right "things".

jack n dalton

>I don't really have problems yet with arthritis, in the sense that I
> only limp imperceptibly and can still open stiff jars and door knobs,
> although it hurts a bit. So I'm wondering, what's the best way of
> slowing down or even stopping :-) the progression of arthritis?
Jo Firey - 07 Jan 2006 22:43 GMT
>I don't really have problems yet with arthritis, in the sense that I
> only limp imperceptibly and can still open stiff jars and door knobs,
> although it hurts a bit. So I'm wondering, what's the best way of
> slowing down or even stopping :-) the progression of arthritis?

Go back and choose better parents.

Jo
Nanny - 07 Jan 2006 23:06 GMT
Die.  Sorry, Chris, couldn't resist that bit of humor.  Nanny
>I don't really have problems yet with arthritis, in the sense that I
> only limp imperceptibly and can still open stiff jars and door knobs,
> although it hurts a bit. So I'm wondering, what's the best way of
> slowing down or even stopping :-) the progression of arthritis?
Brad_Chad - 08 Jan 2006 09:36 GMT
Some doctors say that delayed food sensitivities have a role in
arthritis. Read "Dr. Braly's Food Allergy and Nutrition Revolution".
You might be able to find it at the library.

    Brad_Chad
diclidophora@yahoo.co.uk - 11 Jan 2006 16:20 GMT
Tell us another one

Food allegies are responsible for RA in a very small percentage of
sufferers, tho sometimes they may exacerbate an existing condition.

Peter.
Harvey R. Stone - 11 Jan 2006 17:45 GMT
> Tell us another one
>
> Food allegies are responsible for RA in a very small percentage of
> sufferers, tho sometimes they may exacerbate an existing condition.
>
> Peter.

Ya know,,,,,, its kind of cruel to tell someone with RA that they can change
their diet and cure their RA.  Diet is important in a general way but its
DMARDs that control it or most of it.
Harv
~kenny - 12 Jan 2006 10:38 GMT
>> Tell us another one
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>DMARDs that control it or most of it.
>Harv

Dittio Harv.

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spodosaurus - 12 Jan 2006 12:45 GMT
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> ~Kenny

I've heard this same sort of thing said from healthy people towards
people with all sorts of chronic illnesses. I had one guy start
blithering on about how children with asthma were bringing it on
themselves because they 'thought wrong', their parents were somehow
responsible, and they would be just fine if they would meditate. While
staying calm during an asthma attack helps, it will not stop the
sometimes fatal chronic condition with a malfunctioning immune
contribution. And so, you get people with a bad knee or a sore back
telling people with RA and other serious forms of arthritis that
changing their diet will work wonders and restore them, when it won't.

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MikesBrain - 12 Jan 2006 21:12 GMT
2006-01-12, Responding to spodosaurus...

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> telling people with RA and other serious forms of arthritis that
> changing their diet will work wonders and restore them, when it won't.

Are you guys farmers then?

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~kenny - 13 Jan 2006 03:46 GMT
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>Mike@N.UK

Well, I do have some very healthy indoor plants...Uhhh, wait....What
kind of farming are you talking about Mike? :)

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MikesBrain - 13 Jan 2006 10:16 GMT
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I just noticed how much you guys were milking this one, and
got to wondering... ;)

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Nann Bell - 12 Jan 2006 13:25 GMT
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> DMARDs that control it or most of it.
> Harv

I think Peter has stated the reality in a very reasonable way.  There are, as
he says, a few people who DO suffer severe symptoms resembling RA from food
allergies - but as he says "a very small percentage".    I see no reason NOT
to investigate such a possibility, as long as you don't run around insisting
that ALL RA is caused by food allergies and otherwise complicating our
arthritic lives.

This is, however, speaking from the perspective on one who DOES have a major
food allergy (milk in my case) and who knows all too well how miserable the
allergic reactions can make you.  But I also know some of the outlandish
claims made by the food allergy crowd are to bizarre to believe - such as not
reacting for 2-6 months after eating a food *once*??!?!?!  Gimme a break!

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Thumper - 11 Jan 2006 19:12 GMT
>Tell us another one
>
>Food allegies are responsible for RA in a very small percentage of
>sufferers, tho sometimes they may exacerbate an existing condition.
>
>Peter.

What studies support this theory?
Thumper
Brad_Chad - 08 Jan 2006 09:55 GMT
Some doctors say that delayed food sensitivities have a role in
arthritis. Read "Dr. Braly's Food Allergy and Nutrition Revolution".
You might be able to find it at the library.

    Brad_Chad
Thumper - 11 Jan 2006 19:13 GMT
>Some doctors say that delayed food sensitivities have a role in
>arthritis. Read "Dr. Braly's Food Allergy and Nutrition Revolution".
>You might be able to find it at the library.
>
>     Brad_Chad

Some scientists say lots of things not true.
Thumper
Brad_Chad - 08 Jan 2006 10:33 GMT
Some doctors say that delayed food sensitivities have a role in
arthritis. Read "Dr. Braly's Food Allergy and Nutrition Revolution".
You might be able to find it at the library.

    Brad_Chad
Donald Whitely - 08 Jan 2006 11:42 GMT
Chris,

See a Rheumatoligist NOW.   I was treated by my GP for several years for
RA and tried many many different meds which were just not that
effective,  I finally reached a stage where I was having great
difficulty walking unless I used a cane.  My GP never referred me to an
RD and I was naive about the necessity to see one on my own.

One day when I finally saw a Rheumatoligist and he x-rayed both of my
knees, I came to my day of reckoning.    His diagnosis was either have
both knees replaced shortly or spend the rest of your life in a wheel
chair. He injected both of them and gave me a referral to the Cleveland
Clinic to see  an orthopedic surgeon. In 1981 as his youngest patient
for TKR, he replaced both knees at the same time.  Both knees are still
going strong and have never had any revisions.

From then on I had a Rheumatoligist.

Don Whitely

> I don't really have problems yet with arthritis, in the sense that I
> only limp imperceptibly and can still open stiff jars and door knobs,
> although it hurts a bit. So I'm wondering, what's the best way of
> slowing down or even stopping :-) the progression of arthritis?
me@privacy.net - 08 Jan 2006 12:04 GMT
>I don't really have problems yet with arthritis, in the sense that I
>only limp imperceptibly and can still open stiff jars and door knobs,
>although it hurts a bit. So I'm wondering, what's the best way of
>slowing down or even stopping :-) the progression of arthritis?

Chris I agree with other posters that you need a referal to a
rheumatologist to determine which of the over 170+ types of arthritis
you have?

On the subject of diet [also covered by other posters] this is what
the "Arthritis Research Campaign" says about it in the free RA
leaflet. I tend to agree with them as we are all different.

________________________________________________
Is there a diet which will help my rheumatoid arthritis?

There is a lot of publicity for diets which claim to cure rheumatoid
arthritis. None do, although there is some scientific evidence that
diets may help the symptoms in some people. A few people notice that
individual foods tend to make their arthritis flare up. The foods
which do this vary from person to person. If you suspect that an
individual food causes your joints to flare up, then try avoiding it,
but do not give up anything because it makes someone else's joints
flare up  remember, we are all different. (See arc booklet 'Diet and
Arthritis'.)

Do any diets help everyone?

Probably not, but the ones most likely to help are low in saturated
fats and high in unsaturated fats, especially fish oils. Supplements
of fish oils are likely to help. We recommend 3 grams of fish oil
(i.e. fish body oil, not fish liver oil) daily. You can achieve this
by eating oily fish, taking fish oil supplements, or a combination of
the two. There is some evidence that a very strict vegetarian diet can
help, although the reasons for this are not clear, and that there may
be a small increase in the risk of rheumatoid arthritis among people
who eat a lot of red meat. However, you should consult your doctor or
a dietitian before starting any strict diet as the disadvantages may
outweigh the advantages. There is some evidence that increasing your
intake of vitamin C may also help. It is a good idea to make sure you
keep your weight down. You put the equivalent of four times your body
weight through your joints when you are just walking, so keeping your
weight down will help reduce that stress. More information is given in
the arc booklet 'Diet and Arthritis'.
________________________________________________________

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Chris Malcolm - 12 Jan 2006 00:29 GMT
>>I don't really have problems yet with arthritis, in the sense that I
>>only limp imperceptibly and can still open stiff jars and door knobs,
>>although it hurts a bit. So I'm wondering, what's the best way of
>>slowing down or even stopping :-) the progression of arthritis?

> Do any diets help everyone?

> Probably not, but the ones most likely to help are low in saturated
> fats and high in unsaturated fats, especially fish oils. Supplements
> of fish oils are likely to help. We recommend 3 grams of fish oil
> (i.e. fish body oil, not fish liver oil) daily. You can achieve this
> by eating oily fish, taking fish oil supplements, or a combination of
> the two.

I already take a combination of the two for other reasons.

> There is some evidence that a very strict vegetarian diet can
> help, although the reasons for this are not clear, and that there may
> be a small increase in the risk of rheumatoid arthritis among people
> who eat a lot of red meat. However, you should consult your doctor or
> a dietitian before starting any strict diet as the disadvantages may
> outweigh the advantages.

I'm already controlling type 2 diabetes with a low carbohydrate diet,
more specifically a low high glycemic index carbohydrate diet.

> There is some evidence that increasing your
> intake of vitamin C may also help.

I'm already taking 500mg daily because it does help other things.

> It is a good idea to make sure you
> keep your weight down.

I've had a heart attack, and have high blood pressure. I've decided
that under those circumstances it's probably a good idea to be losing
weight for as long as possible, which I intend to achieve by losing
weight very slowly. At 67 inches and 135 lbs I'm not heavy.

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