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Stuart - 11 Dec 2005 13:52 GMT
Hi all - hope you are all bearing up under the strain.  Went to see the RD
last week, everything is fine with me, the medication for my RA seems to be
working fine,
One thing really bugs me though, last time I was there when the nurse took
the blood sample I asked if they were checking for cholesterol.  She said
no, it wasnt being asked for, but she could slyly tick the box if I wanted
to know.  I said yes please so she did.  When I saw the RD he said
everythings fine, but my cholesterol is high, a reading of 6.  He said with
'normal' people (lol) this isnt much to worry about, but for someone with RA
it is something to worry about because RA can affect the heart and so can
cholesterol, and I should discuss with my GP about getting some cholesterol
lowering tablets.  What bugs me is, if this is so important why did'nt
anybody suggest a cholesterol test when I was first diagnosed with RA?  I am
learning more and more that I need to find out as much as I can about my
condition and about the medication, because I dont really think that the
docs are 100% on the ball.
By the way, I dont know if its the medication helping me or the fact that i
have completely cut out all dairy products and all red meat from my diet,
but I feel great.  (thats another thing, since I have had this RA not one
person has suggested changing my diet or even discussed it.  Its only what
ive read here and seen on the net that ive started to do something about it.
Doesnt seem right to me at all.)

Anyway happy Christmas to all of you.

Cheers

Stuart
me@privacy.net - 11 Dec 2005 15:00 GMT
>Hi all - hope you are all bearing up under the strain.  Went to see the RD
>last week, everything is fine with me, the medication for my RA seems to be
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>
>Stuart

Have you tried the cholesterol lowering marg spreads, I found they
help, they are more expensive than the normal marg spreads.

on diet [from the ARC LEAFLET]

Is there a diet which will help my rheumatoid arthritis?

There is a lot of publicity for diets which claim to cure rheumatoid
arthritis. None do, although there is some scientific evidence that
diets may help the symptoms in some people. A few people notice that
individual foods tend to make their arthritis flare up. The foods
which do this vary from person to person. If you suspect that an
individual food causes your joints to flare up, then try avoiding it,
but do not give up anything because it makes someone else's joints
flare up remember, we are all different. (See arc booklet 'Diet and
Arthritis'.)

Do any diets help everyone?

Probably not, but the ones most likely to help are low in saturated
fats and high in unsaturated fats, especially fish oils. Supplements
of fish oils are likely to help. We recommend 3 grams of fish oil
(i.e. fish body oil, not fish liver oil) daily. You can achieve this
by eating oily fish, taking fish oil supplements, or a combination of
the two. There is some evidence that a very strict vegetarian diet can
help, although the reasons for this are not clear, and that there may
be a small increase in the risk of rheumatoid arthritis among people
who eat a lot of red meat. However, you should consult your doctor or
a dietitian before starting any strict diet as the disadvantages may
outweigh the advantages. There is some evidence that increasing your
intake of vitamin C may also help. It is a good idea to make sure you
keep your weight down. You put the equivalent of four times your body
weight through your joints when you are just walking, so keeping your
weight down will help reduce that stress. More information is given in
the arc booklet 'Diet and Arthritis'.

http://www.arc.org.uk/about_arth/booklets/6033/6033.htm

_________________________________________________

Happy Christmas
Stuart - 11 Dec 2005 15:25 GMT
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> Have you tried the cholesterol lowering marg spreads, I found they
> help, they are more expensive than the normal marg spreads.

Yes, and the "imitation cheese".   UUURRRGGGHH!!!

>cheers
Navy1 - 11 Dec 2005 16:19 GMT
I agree, thoroughly.  On the advice of my gp, regarding the level of
my cholesterol, I tried the cholesterol lowering spread - tasted like
colored imitation paste.  That's pretty bad! LOL  My mom and I
decided, there must be a better way.  From the ads, though, it looks
like they might have changed the formula, since when I tried it, it
wouldn't spread on nothin', room temperature or not.

Actually, my LDL is all right, it's the RDL that is too low, giving me
a bad total.  Unfortunately, the only way to increase that, I
understand, is to exercise - well, walking is fine, for a 100 yards or
less, etc.  The lowering medication did not agree with my stomach and
system at all.  So we agreed that as long as it didn't change, we
would live with it.  

Loujean

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>>cheers
Joan Carter - 11 Dec 2005 15:09 GMT
>One thing really bugs me though, last time I was there when the nurse took
>the blood sample I asked if they were checking for cholesterol.  She said
>no, it wasnt being asked for, but she could slyly tick the box if I wanted
>to know.  I said yes please so she did.  When I saw the RD he said
>everythings fine, but my cholesterol is high, a reading of 6.

But had you eaten? You need a 12 hour fasting blood sample for an accurate
cholesterol level.

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Joan
Stuart - 11 Dec 2005 15:25 GMT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joan Carter" <spamfree@sentex.ca>
Newsgroups: alt.support.arthritis
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: Cholesterol

> On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 13:52:06 -0000, "Stuart" <member@smeigh.wanadoo.co.uk>
> wrote
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> ---
> Joan

I didnt know that Joan, thats very interesting.  Yes, I had a small amount
of cereal about 2 hours before the test.
Thanks, i'll speak to doc about it.
Stuart
Walt Hanks - 11 Dec 2005 21:54 GMT
It is hard to know how significant the cholesterol reading was as we use a
different measure in the U.S.  I have no idea what a "6" means.  But, there
are two things to consider when looking at elevating cholesterol.

First, the medications we use can be hard on the liver.  The liver is one of
the primary mechanisms for controlling the amount of cholesterol in the
blood.  So, a slowly elevating cholesterol level can be an early indicator
of liver problems.

Second, while total cholesterol is important, the real issue is the level of
HDL and LDL cholesterol, and the ratio between them.  Whole oat cereals and
Omega-3 fatty acids help a little, but reducing saturated fat and exercising
are by far the more important behavioral treatments for high cholesterol.

Finally, cholesterol levels should be monitored regularly in any RA patient.
You should hammer your RD about that.

Go get a retest while fasting and tell them you want a complete lipid
profile, not just the total cholesterol.  Then you might actually know
something important.

Walt Hanks

> Hi all - hope you are all bearing up under the strain.  Went to see the RD
> last week, everything is fine with me, the medication for my RA seems to
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>
> Stuart
stuart - 11 Dec 2005 22:02 GMT
thanks walt, perfect.

> It is hard to know how significant the cholesterol reading was as we use a
> different measure in the U.S.  I have no idea what a "6" means.  But,
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>> Stuart
Joan Carter - 11 Dec 2005 22:15 GMT
>It is hard to know how significant the cholesterol reading was as we use a
>different measure in the U.S.  I have no idea what a "6" means.  But, there
>are two things to consider when looking at elevating cholesterol.

6 is just a bit above normal if I recall correctly.
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Joan
Pope Pie (Sy Lehrman) - 12 Dec 2005 02:51 GMT
> It is hard to know how significant the cholesterol reading was as we use  
> a
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> patient.
> You should hammer your RD about that.

Furthermore, the relationship of dietary and blood cholesterol is weak.  
My readings are a little high and diet does nothing.  I had occasion to go  
on a fat free diet at one time, for unrelated reasons, and my readings did  
not change at all.

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Charrlygrl1 - 12 Dec 2005 19:08 GMT
Stuart,
I use the "Smart Balance" spread, which actually lowers the bad
cholesterol, and which also contains Omega 3 oils, which help to reduce
inflammation.
IT actually tastes great, and you can cook and bake with it.
Regarding the diet, the second poster  (M?) is right as far as I know,
there is NO one diet that has been proven to help RA. However, I have
spoken with lots of people on this subject, and what seems to work for
them is a food diary. They keep a notation of what they eat every day,
and then how they feel the next. For example, arthritis.org says that
eating nightshade vegtables has not been proven to increase
inflammation, but several people who kept a food diary found that
eating things from the nightshade family did indeed cause their
problems to flare.  I think in this area, reaction to foods may be a
highly individual thing.
(Footnote: I am talking here regarding RA only. For AS (ankylosing
spondylitis, which is what I have, there has been some success with the
no starch diet, for some people).
Hope this helps somewhat,
Char
Navy1 - 12 Dec 2005 21:00 GMT
I see, upon re-reading my post, that I said RDL and I meant HDL.
To answer your comment, my husband would see a definite difference
when he would eat tomatoes or potatoes in the amount of pain he had.
I've not tried it as things were complicated enough lately.

If Smart Balance tastes great, then they have made a big change in the
formula as it tasted like straight Crisco when we tried it.  Thanks
for the opinion, I think maybe we will try it again.

Loujean

>Stuart,
>I use the "Smart Balance" spread, which actually lowers the bad
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>Hope this helps somewhat,
>Char
 
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