Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Arthritis / December 2005
Treatments for autoimmune spondyloarthropathy?
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spodosaurus - 05 Dec 2005 15:44 GMT Hi all,
I'm just starting to research what this is. No rheumatoid factor in blood tests, negative for the antigens that mark most cases of ankylosing spondylitis. Even my hips are hurting, and I don't have hips anymore (it's attacking the ligaments everywhere). Anyone know what the usual treatments used for this are? I thought being on cyclosporine would have prevented this, but apparently not (heck, could even be contributing for all we know).
Cheers,
Ari
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Rosemarie Shiver - 05 Dec 2005 16:34 GMT Heya, Ari,
I'm on MTX and Lodine for Undifferentiated Connective Tissue Disease. RF neg., no AS antigens but a 1:3200 ANA titer. 1:6400 on the antigen I have is full blown Lupus.
There's also Mixed Connective Tissue Disease you might explore online, too.
HTH!
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> Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Ari spodosaurus - 05 Dec 2005 17:51 GMT > Heya, Ari, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Hugs from Rosie What does ANA stand for?
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Rosemarie Shiver - 05 Dec 2005 17:57 GMT anti-nuclear antibody
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> > Heya, Ari, > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > What does ANA stand for? spodosaurus - 05 Dec 2005 18:06 GMT > anti-nuclear antibody > > ReHugs from Rosie Thanks Rosie. A quick google search for ANA titre took me to the lupus foundation website. *sigh* I've emailed my haematologist and asked for the ANA test to be added to my blood work for later today (having these tubes in my chest sure makes taking blood easier, especially twice a week).
Cheers,
Ari
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Rosemarie Shiver - 05 Dec 2005 18:18 GMT I'll keep my fingers crossed for ya, Ari. I'm not sure if you want it to be something like this or you'd rather not have it...but either way I hope it works out for ya!
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> > anti-nuclear antibody > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Ari spodosaurus - 05 Dec 2005 19:15 GMT > I'll keep my fingers crossed for ya, Ari. I'm not sure if you want it to > be something like this or you'd rather not have it...but either way I hope > it works out for ya! > > Extra Gentle Hugs from Rosie Thanks Rosie. I'm not sure what I'm hoping for at this point. I'm in a partial remission (medication induced) and am producing my own blood cells again. There're some details that I'm not sure if I've posted online before (but if I haven't I'm going to keep it that way, and we all know how open I am with these things) that make this pretty miraculous. However, I'm showing signs of chronic kidney damage and if the interpretation of these signs is accurate I have to wonder if whatever is causing this systemic arthritis is also damaging my kidneys and other organs. Maybe this opens up new treatment options, or maybe it pushes me closer to having that high risk transplant. Either way, I'm scared.
Ari
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NW - 05 Dec 2005 21:09 GMT > Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > would have prevented this, but apparently not (heck, could even be > contributing for all we know). Hi Ari, For some reason, the regular DMARDS (like Methotrexate, Cyclosporine, Salazopyrine, Plaquenil etc) are usually not very effective for spinal inflammation in spondyloarthropathy, although they can be helpful in peripheral arthritis. What's most helpful for the spine are the TNF-alpha-inhibitors, i.e Enbrel, Remicade and Humira. I have tried all three of them together with MTX (have AS and am HLA-B27 positive), and am currently on Humira + 25 mg MTX with great success. In the past I've been on Salazopyrine + Pred, MTX+ Pred, Salazopyrine+MTX+Pred without much, if any, effect on my spondylitis. I was also supposed to try Cyclosporine, although there was little reason to believe it would help me, so instead Enbrel was added to MTX and Pred. The reason I stay on MTX is because of peripheral arthritis from my AS, as well as other autoimmune problems.
Also, those with psoriatic spondyloarthopathy aren't HLA-B27 positive as often as those with classical AS; the psoriatic ones are just positive in about 40-50% of the cases. Sometimes the joint disease precedes the psoriasis with years, and if you have been on cyclosporine and/or other immunosuppressants and live in Australia (sunlight often improves psoriasis) you may never have had any noticeable psoriasis. You can also have something called inverse psoriasis, for example in your ears, bellybutton or buttcrack, which might go unnoticed. Psoriasis can also be confined to the nails, as pits (like the pits on a thimble), thickening or nails lifting off the nailbeds.
There's also undifferentiated spondyloarthropathy; don't know how many of those are B27-positive.
Some general info about spondyloarthropathy: http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic2700.htm http://www.spondylitis.org/about/undif.aspx
Norman - 06 Dec 2005 05:46 GMT I believe that at least 25% of those who are diagnosed with AS are HLA- B27 negative. I'm one of them, diagnosed about 15 years ago (?) as "sero-negative spondylo-arthropathy, subset Ankylosing Spondylitis".
I'm currently taking Lodine 600 mg. twice a day, Sulfazine EC 500 mg. 3 times a day and Ultram 500 mg. 3 times a day (for pain). The main problem I've got is that I acclimate to my meds after a while and the RD has to switch me to another NSAID. I think it's time to switch again as they seem to be failing again. My next appointment is on Dec. 14.
A few things which do seem to help me is moving about often (I lock up if I stay in one spot too long) and stretching several times a day for range of motion, esp. my arms and wrists. I also use extra blankets on my bed wear a vest if it seems a little cool as getting cold also causes me problems. I also walk with a cane. I don't always need it, but anything which lets me take it a bit easier helps me for when I do have to push myself.
I have a handicapped license and I use it if I'm not doing well. Sometimes it helps just to have room to open the car door enough to get in and out without contortions.
I've also noticed that on days I can take my meds in the morning and go back to bed for while, I have less problem when I do start moving. It probably lets the meds get to work before I stress the joints.
On last hint is to make sure that you make time to do something enjoyable. A happy mindset does make it easier to get on with things.
Remember that no one thing works for everyone, and what helps someone else may hurt you (and vice versa). Pay attention to how your body reacts, and if something hurts, STOP DOING IT.
jb - 06 Dec 2005 16:25 GMT Hi Norman Just wanted to tell you that some of the thin gs you are doing are also very helpful to me. especially taking the meds early and going back to bed.
I get up early most mornings, and take my meds then lay back down and when I get up a few hours later I am not hurting so bad, guess the meds go to work. also the cane and handicap place card are a big help for me when I needs them, I don't have AS but have OA in most of my joints and have a lot pain. I also take ultram and a anti inflame. I take oxycontin 3 times a day for long term pain relief use ultram for breakthrough pain
take care Norman and have a great holiday season. Heres wishing you a pain-free day and a Merry Christmas janice
|I believe that at least 25% of those who are diagnosed with AS are HLA- | B27 negative. I'm one of them, diagnosed about 15 years ago (?) as [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] | else may hurt you (and vice versa). Pay attention to how your body | reacts, and if something hurts, STOP DOING IT. Charrlygrl1 - 06 Dec 2005 17:10 GMT Ari, I have AS, and NW above seems to have it down. www.spondylitis.org is a great website to learn about spondyloarthropathy. Also, the message boards there are great....check out the thread on the general message board titled: symptoms not listed on the main page. It was eye opening for me. AS is great for causing problems where the ligaments and tendons attach to the bone. Plantar's Fasciitis, etc. Keeping moving is all important with spondylitis or AS as fusion is a very common problem. Good posture is also very important. Anyway, I don't think the meds are very different from RA drugs. I am currently on methotrexate, Enbrel, sulfasalazine, prednisone, ultram for pain and leucovorin which fights the side effects of MTX. I, however, have more peripheral joint problems (ankles, wrists, shoulders) than back problems (though my SI joints never have stopped hurting). Anyway, I can't recommend the above site enough. I've learned a lot about AS from there. There are different spondyloarthropathies, some come with irritable bowel or Crohns, others can come with psoriasis. They are broken down on the site pretty well. Let us know how you make out Ari, Charlene
spodosaurus - 08 Dec 2005 03:27 GMT > Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Ari Thank you all for your replies. It all seems a bit much, and I want to just pretend it isn't happening! I'm trying to arrange for some blood tests with my usual round on Friday to see if we can narrow down the diagnosis.
Ari
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I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor: http://www.abmdr.org.au/ http://www.marrow.org/
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