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Treatments for autoimmune spondyloarthropathy?

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spodosaurus - 05 Dec 2005 15:44 GMT
Hi all,

I'm just starting to research what this is. No rheumatoid factor in
blood tests, negative for the antigens that mark most cases of
ankylosing spondylitis. Even my hips are hurting, and I don't have hips
anymore (it's attacking the ligaments everywhere). Anyone know what the
usual treatments used for this are? I thought being on cyclosporine
would have prevented this, but apparently not (heck, could even be
contributing for all we know).

Cheers,

Ari

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Rosemarie Shiver - 05 Dec 2005 16:34 GMT
Heya, Ari,

  I'm on MTX and Lodine for Undifferentiated Connective Tissue Disease. RF
neg., no AS antigens but a 1:3200 ANA titer. 1:6400 on the antigen I have is
full blown Lupus.

  There's also Mixed Connective Tissue Disease you might explore online,
too.

HTH!

Hugs from Rosie

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> Ari
spodosaurus - 05 Dec 2005 17:51 GMT
> Heya, Ari,
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> Hugs from Rosie

What does ANA stand for?

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hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
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Rosemarie Shiver - 05 Dec 2005 17:57 GMT
anti-nuclear antibody

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> What does ANA stand for?
spodosaurus - 05 Dec 2005 18:06 GMT
> anti-nuclear antibody
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> ReHugs from Rosie

Thanks Rosie. A quick google search for ANA titre took me to the lupus
foundation website. *sigh* I've emailed my haematologist and asked for
the ANA test to be added to my blood work for later today (having these
tubes in my chest sure makes taking blood easier, especially twice a week).

Cheers,

Ari

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I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/

Rosemarie Shiver - 05 Dec 2005 18:18 GMT
  I'll keep my fingers crossed for ya, Ari. I'm not sure if you want it to
be something like this or you'd rather not have it...but either way I hope
it works out for ya!

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spodosaurus - 05 Dec 2005 19:15 GMT
>    I'll keep my fingers crossed for ya, Ari. I'm not sure if you want it to
> be something like this or you'd rather not have it...but either way I hope
> it works out for ya!
>
> Extra Gentle Hugs from Rosie

Thanks Rosie. I'm not sure what I'm hoping for at this point. I'm in a
partial remission (medication induced) and am producing my own blood
cells again. There're some details that I'm not sure if I've posted
online before (but if I haven't I'm going to keep it that way, and we
all know how open I am with these things) that make this pretty
miraculous. However, I'm showing signs of chronic kidney damage and if
the interpretation of these signs is accurate I have to wonder if
whatever is causing this systemic arthritis is also damaging my kidneys
and other organs. Maybe this opens up new treatment options, or maybe it
pushes me closer to having that high risk transplant. Either way, I'm
scared.

Ari

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I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/

NW - 05 Dec 2005 21:09 GMT
> Hi all,
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> would have prevented this, but apparently not (heck, could even be
> contributing for all we know).

Hi Ari,
For some reason, the regular DMARDS (like Methotrexate, Cyclosporine,
Salazopyrine, Plaquenil etc) are usually not very effective for spinal
inflammation in spondyloarthropathy, although they can be helpful in
peripheral arthritis. What's most helpful for the spine are the
TNF-alpha-inhibitors, i.e Enbrel, Remicade and Humira. I have tried all
three of them together with MTX (have AS and am HLA-B27 positive), and
am currently on Humira + 25 mg MTX with great success. In the past I've
been on Salazopyrine + Pred, MTX+ Pred, Salazopyrine+MTX+Pred without
much, if any, effect on my spondylitis. I was also supposed to try
Cyclosporine, although there was little reason to believe it would help
me, so instead Enbrel was added to MTX and Pred. The reason I stay on
MTX is because of peripheral arthritis from my AS, as well as other
autoimmune problems.

Also, those with psoriatic spondyloarthopathy aren't HLA-B27 positive
as often as those with classical AS; the psoriatic ones are just
positive in  about 40-50% of the cases. Sometimes the joint disease
precedes the psoriasis with years, and if you have been on cyclosporine
and/or other immunosuppressants and live in Australia (sunlight often
improves psoriasis) you may never have had any noticeable psoriasis.
You can also have something called inverse psoriasis, for example in
your ears, bellybutton or buttcrack, which might go unnoticed.
Psoriasis can also be confined to the nails, as pits (like the pits on
a thimble), thickening or nails lifting off the nailbeds.

There's also undifferentiated spondyloarthropathy; don't know how many
of those are B27-positive.

Some general info about spondyloarthropathy:
http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic2700.htm
http://www.spondylitis.org/about/undif.aspx
Norman - 06 Dec 2005 05:46 GMT
I believe that at least 25% of those who are diagnosed with AS are HLA-
B27 negative. I'm one of them, diagnosed about 15 years ago (?) as
"sero-negative spondylo-arthropathy, subset Ankylosing Spondylitis".

I'm currently taking Lodine 600 mg. twice a day, Sulfazine EC 500 mg. 3
times a day and Ultram 500 mg. 3 times a day (for pain). The main
problem I've got is that I acclimate to my meds after a while and the RD
has to switch me to another NSAID. I think it's time to switch again as
they seem to be failing again. My next appointment is on Dec. 14.

A few things which do seem to help me is moving about often (I lock up
if I stay in one spot too long) and stretching several times a day for
range of motion, esp. my arms and wrists. I also use extra blankets on
my bed wear a vest if it seems a little cool as getting cold also causes
me problems. I also walk with a cane. I don't always need it, but
anything which lets me take it a bit easier helps me for when I do have
to push myself.

I have a handicapped license and I use it if I'm not doing well.
Sometimes it helps just to have room to open the car door enough to get
in and out without contortions.

I've also noticed that on days I can take my meds in the morning and go
back to bed for while, I have less problem when I do start moving. It
probably lets the meds get to work before I stress the joints.

On last hint is to make sure that you make time to do something
enjoyable. A happy mindset does make it easier to get on with things.

Remember that no one thing works for everyone, and what helps someone
else may hurt you (and vice versa). Pay attention to how your body
reacts, and if something hurts, STOP DOING IT.
jb - 06 Dec 2005 16:25 GMT
Hi Norman
Just wanted to tell you that some of the thin gs you are doing are also very
helpful to me.  especially taking the meds early and going back to bed.

I get up early most mornings, and take my meds then lay back down and when I
get up a few hours later I am not hurting so bad, guess the meds go to work.
also the cane and handicap place card are a big help for me when I needs
them,  I don't have AS but have OA in most of my joints and have a lot pain.
I also take ultram and a anti inflame.  I take oxycontin 3 times a day for
long term pain relief  use ultram for breakthrough pain

take care Norman and have a great holiday season.  Heres wishing you a
pain-free day and a
Merry Christmas
janice

|I believe that at least 25% of those who are diagnosed with AS are HLA-
| B27 negative. I'm one of them, diagnosed about 15 years ago (?) as
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| else may hurt you (and vice versa). Pay attention to how your body
| reacts, and if something hurts, STOP DOING IT.
Charrlygrl1 - 06 Dec 2005 17:10 GMT
Ari,
I have AS, and NW above seems to have it down.
www.spondylitis.org is a great website to learn about
spondyloarthropathy.
Also, the message boards there are great....check out the thread on the
general message board titled: symptoms not listed on the main page. It
was eye opening for me.
AS is great for causing problems where the ligaments and tendons attach
to the bone. Plantar's Fasciitis, etc.
Keeping moving is all important with spondylitis or AS as fusion is a
very common problem. Good posture is also very important.
Anyway, I don't think the meds are very different from RA drugs. I am
currently on methotrexate, Enbrel, sulfasalazine, prednisone, ultram
for pain and leucovorin which fights the side effects of MTX.  I,
however, have more peripheral joint problems (ankles, wrists,
shoulders) than back problems (though my SI joints never have stopped
hurting).
Anyway, I can't recommend the above site enough. I've learned a lot
about AS from there. There are different spondyloarthropathies, some
come with irritable bowel or Crohns, others can come with psoriasis.
They are broken down on the site pretty well.
Let us know how you make out Ari,
Charlene
spodosaurus - 08 Dec 2005 03:27 GMT
> Hi all,
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> Ari

Thank you all for your replies. It all seems a bit much, and I want to
just pretend it isn't happening! I'm trying to arrange for some blood
tests with my usual round on Friday to see if we can narrow down the
diagnosis.

Ari

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I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/

 
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