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I have Ankylosing Spondylitis question

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thelongestday320@aol.com - 27 Nov 2005 01:52 GMT
I have AS and nothing works for me since they took Vioxx off the
market.  I am cervically fused from C-3 to C-6 for ten years now.  I
have Adhesive Capsulitis so bad the manipulation didn't work.  First of
all should I get surgery for the AC? My other question is nothing works
for me because I have to much bone rubbing on bone.  I know my ribs are
fusing as are part of my thoracic and lumbar sections of my back.  What
can be done about bone on bone or am I faced with severe pain the rest
of my life.  I'm on Social Sec. Disability and only 48.  Any help would
be appreciated.  Thanks.
Aim - 27 Nov 2005 05:22 GMT
Hi -

Are you on a DMARD, like Enbrel? If you're still in the fusing process,
it's been proven that Enbrel can stop AS from fusing you. If you're not
on it or another DMARD, and only on anti-inflammatories for pain,
WHY???? Please for your own sake see a decent Rheumatologist who has
half a clue about current AS treatment and will be aggressive about
getting your fusion stopped. There's no reason you should become any
more disabled than you already are, if you can stop it!

I have AS, am one of the rare women who have a "severe" case, and have
been on Enbrel for 3 years now. My doctor is one of the main researchers
of AS. I can probably help you find a decent doc if you tell me where
you are. If I can't, someone here can. :)

Hang in there!

Amy

> I have AS and nothing works for me since they took Vioxx off the
> market.  I am cervically fused from C-3 to C-6 for ten years now.  I
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> of my life.  I'm on Social Sec. Disability and only 48.  Any help would
> be appreciated.  Thanks.
Charrlygrl1 - 27 Nov 2005 15:20 GMT
AS now seems to affect a lot of women. (Check out www.spondylitis.org,
the message boards).
I have it as well.
Thelongest, Amy is right. Are you on any DMARDS or biologics to control
your AS? Vioxx is only an NSAID and does nothing to stop the
progression of the disease. I am on Enbrel, methotrexate,
sulfasalazine, prednisone and a few others for fibro and sleep. Even
with all of that I have pain every day. But, I have so far avoided any
fusions. Since you only mentioned Vioxx, it leads us to believe that
your rheumatologist may be severely neglecting you. Maybe we are
reading this incorrectly? If not, you should seriously think about
seeing another RD.
As for the surgery, I don't know enough about it to say. IF you check
out the spondylitis site, you may find some helpful information there,
or on their message boards.
Good luck to you,
Charlene
thelongestday320@aol.com - 27 Nov 2005 16:26 GMT
AS now seems to affect a lot of women. (Check out www.spondylitis.org,
the message boards). I have it as well. Thelongest, Amy is right.
Are you on any DMARDS or biologics to control
your AS? Vioxx is only an NSAID and does nothing to stop the
progression of the disease. I am on Enbrel, methotrexate,
sulfasalazine, prednisone and a few others for fibro and sleep. Even
with all of that I have pain every day. But, I have so far avoided any
fusions. Since you only mentioned Vioxx, it leads us to believe that
your rheumatologist may be severely neglecting you. Maybe we are
reading this incorrectly? If not, you should seriously think about
seeing another RD. As for the surgery, I don't know enough about it to
say. IF you check
out the spondylitis site, you may find some helpful information there,
or on their message boards.
Good luck to you,
Charlene

I've been on the following meds since Vioxx has been
removed....Celebrex and Mobic offered no help to me and now i'm on
naprosyn and it doesn't seem to help either.  What has helped is my PT
puts me in traction periodically to stretch me.  My GP gave me Cymbalta
a new chronic pain med and it helped in the beginning but now I don't
see any help.  I also have Vicoprofuen which gets me thru the day.  I
tried Sulfasalazine to no advantage.  I know my ribs are fusing.  If
you touch my rib the pain is severe.  All you have to do is simply
press lightly and it hurts.  Other parts as well.  I just think when
bone rubs bone or fuses like my rib cages there is nothing you can do.
I once went to a major hospital pain clinic and they saw me for an hour
and came in and looked at me and said we can't do anything for you.  A
prominent Ortho world renowned said I'll need double hip replacement
surgery sometime soon and showed me from the xrays and mri's I had.
When I was approved for Soc Sec Disability it took them 6 weeks the
first time out to approve me.  They even waived the five month wait
period when I was working and started me immediately.  So you know I'm
bad off if SSD approves you in six weeks.  It probably was four weeks
but they had to send it to Phila for approval and that took two weeks.
Anyhow I wake up everyday stiff and sore everywhere.  Not much of a
life is it.  Thanks Charlene.
Aim - 27 Nov 2005 20:35 GMT
I didn't mean that I was rare in being a woman with AS - the statistics
on it being more common in men are VERY wrong -- it's just
underdiagnosed in women due to us getting "blown off" at the doctor's as
well as the misconception that "women don't get AS." (how many doctors
have told you that one? I can count at least 5 AFTER I was diagnosed!)

What I meant was that I was rare in that I have the severe form as a
woman (I am young, and it already has affected my organs, eyes, and
begun to attempt to fuse me). That is uncommon. It's also part of the
reason we're under-diagnosed, because we as a group do tend to get a
different form than men - beginning in thoracic spine more commonly than
lumbar, and often "less severe" by the classic medical standards.
However, when all the facts are in, we are often diagnosed with an
additional disease on top of AS when in fact it's more likely that all
or most of our symptoms are truly AS. So who is to say if we don't get
it, and just as severely, just as commonly as men?

My doc's research is basically coming up (and has been for years) that
it's proportional to population, so we truly get it just as much. We're
just blown off way more. 'It's just your period honey, take some advil
and go home." UGH!

:-)

I am VERY concerned that the original poster is on nothing to actually
stop the disease progression, and that it's continuing unchecked. A good
rheumatologist isn't one who "does what you want" but rather one who
knows what needs to be done to stop or slow the progression of your
disease. Any RD who doesn't have an AS patient on a DMARD when they are
actively fusing, isn't a good one, IMO. But then, I'm an opinionated
beotch :)

Aim

> AS now seems to affect a lot of women. (Check out www.spondylitis.org,
> the message boards).
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> Good luck to you,
> Charlene
thelongestday320@aol.com - 27 Nov 2005 22:23 GMT
I am VERY concerned that the original poster is on nothing to actually
stop the disease progression, and that it's continuing unchecked. A
good
rheumatologist isn't one who "does what you want" but rather one who
knows what needs to be done to stop or slow the progression of your
disease. Any RD who doesn't have an AS patient on a DMARD when they are

actively fusing, isn't a good one, IMO. But then, I'm an opinionated
beotch :)

Aim

Well I'm taking Naprosyn and Cymbalta but I guess you're right that I
might not be taking meds to stop the progression.  I had taken Enbrel
and this morning I reactivated my script I had at Medco.  I had been
approved of taking it but the last time was Feb. of 04.  What else
should or could I be taking? Thanks Aim!
Aim - 28 Nov 2005 22:29 GMT
HOOORAY!
I'm SOOO glad you reactivated your Rx. I worry about you having damage
that could be prevented, ya know? *worry, worry* I'm a big ol worrywart.
heh. It's where I get the grey hairs and wrinkles at 32! :)

As far as I understand, the biggest things are just to be on a DMARD of
some sort and an NSAID and/or other pain control med and then do as much
exercise or activity as you can tolerate. Stretching and whatnot is
good. That's the gist of what I know.

I'm glad you found your way here. This is a REALLY good group of folks.
We have our spats, but we also have a whoooole lotta love for one
another, and we pull together when it counts. Like most good families!

Aim

> Well I'm taking Naprosyn and Cymbalta but I guess you're right that I
> might not be taking meds to stop the progression.  I had taken Enbrel
> and this morning I reactivated my script I had at Medco.  I had been
> approved of taking it but the last time was Feb. of 04.  What else
> should or could I be taking? Thanks Aim!
thelongestday320@aol.com - 27 Nov 2005 16:16 GMT
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Hi -

Are you on a DMARD, like Enbrel? If you're still in the fusing process,
it's been proven that Enbrel can stop AS from fusing you. If you're not
on it or another DMARD, and only on anti-inflammatories for pain,

Yes I tried Enbrel for one year and one year of Humira and it didn't
seem to work for me.

WHY???? Please for your own sake see a decent Rheumatologist who has
half a clue about current AS treatment and will be aggressive about
getting your fusion stopped. There's no reason you should become any
more disabled than you already are, if you can stop it!

I have a great Rheumy who I have been seeing for 15 years. He does
everything I ask him to do.  He is very liberal with meds.  But it's
the bone on bone thing that seems to hamper me.  I wasn't that sure
that Enbrel would prevent the bone fusing into other bone. That's why I
posted the question.  Thanks Amy

I have AS, am one of the rare women who have a "severe" case, and have
been on Enbrel for 3 years now. My doctor is one of the main
researchers
of AS. I can probably help you find a decent doc if you tell me where
you are. If I can't, someone here can. :)

Hang in there!

Amy
Rosemarie Shiver - 27 Nov 2005 17:37 GMT
{{TLD}}

  No answers for ya from me, just a welcome to ASA and some hugs.

Hugs from Rosie

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> I have AS and nothing works for me since they took Vioxx off the
> market.  I am cervically fused from C-3 to C-6 for ten years now.  I
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> of my life.  I'm on Social Sec. Disability and only 48.  Any help would
> be appreciated.  Thanks.
thelongestday320@aol.com - 27 Nov 2005 22:19 GMT
No answers for ya from me, just a welcome to ASA and some hugs.

Hugs from Rosie

Thanks Rosie!
Charrlygrl1 - 28 Nov 2005 17:07 GMT
Aim,
I am sorry that I misunderstood your original post.
You are SO RIGHT about how women with AS are treated. It's sad, and
it's very, very wrong.
I just went to my GP for the first time in 2-3 years, and he asked me
what my wrist pain had turned out to be. When I said AS, he literally
gasped and said, I've never met a woman with AS.
I just wanted to smack him....yes, you did...you met me!
How many times was I told that it was all in my head?
GRRRRRRR!
Anyway, AIM, I definitely do recognize your symptoms as being
severe....and I am sorry about what you're going through.
I would love to talk with you any time via email, if you would be
interested, please go ahead an email me. We could commiserate with each
other  : )
Char

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