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Mary Z - 17 Nov 2005 15:19 GMT
Hooray for the little guys!   The bloggers and security expertise
finally forced Sony to pull their malware.   Sony has the recall
information on their website, and there are a list of titles that are
affected by this software.
http://blog.sonymusic.com/sonybmg/archives/111505.html

Here are the titles of the CDs
http://cp.sonybmg.com/xcp/english/titles.html

Here is what the information week had to say and the New York Times
had similar comments.

"It seems crystal clear that but for the citizen journalists, Sony
never would have done anything about this," says Fred von Lohmann,
senior intellectual property attorney for the Electronic Frontier
Foundation, a cyber liberties advocacy group that has been vocal in
its condemnation of Sony and may eventually file a a lawsuit against
Sony, in addition to three that have already been filed. "It's plain
to me that it was Sony's intent to brush the story under the rug and
forget about it."

Alan Scott, chief marketing office at business information service
Factiva, said, "I think that we're in an entirely new world from a
marketing perspective. The rules of the game have changed
dramatically. The old way of doing things by ignoring issues, or with
giving the canned PR spin response within the blogosphere, it just
doesn't work."

Thomas Hesse, Sony BMG's Global Digital Business President, attempted
to do just that by dismissing the online protests. "Most people, I
think, don't even know what a rootkit is, so why should they care
about it?" he said in a November 4 interview on National Public
Radio's Morning Edition. He added, "The software is designed to
protect our CDs from unauthorized copying and ripping."

Blog search site Technorati.com shows well over a hundred blog
postings ridiculing this particular quote, each of which may have been
linked to by other blogs.

The day before the NPR interview, Sony attempted to mollify its
critics by offering an update that "removes the cloaking technology
component" of the XCP DRM software. The update notes claim, "This
component is not malicious and does not compromise security."

That's simply not true--the rootkit component allows attackers to take
control of target computers. Moreover, another component, the
uninstaller Sony provided to remove the XCP software, did compromise
security. And once again, it was the blog community that brought this
fact to light. "

Hooray for the little guy we won one for a change!-- MZ

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MikesBrain - 17 Nov 2005 17:21 GMT
2005-11-17, Responding to Mary Z...

> "It seems crystal clear that but for the citizen
> journalists, Sony never would have done anything about
> this," says Fred von Lohmann, ...

Might be interesting to keep an eye on how the "citizen
jounalist"'s career develops, or not. ;\

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spodosaurus - 17 Nov 2005 19:45 GMT
> Hooray for the little guys!   The bloggers and security expertise
> finally forced Sony to pull their malware.   Sony has the recall
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Here are the titles of the CDs
> http://cp.sonybmg.com/xcp/english/titles.html

Thanks for that. Any that I/we own are going back.

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Mary Z - 18 Nov 2005 03:16 GMT
>Thanks for that. Any that I/we own are going back.

I think you might be ok in oz not  I am not sure they sold any of
those drm infected CDs, but I hate sony ok and Micro$oft too.  -- MZ

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Mary Z - 18 Nov 2005 23:07 GMT
>I think you might be ok in oz not  I am not sure they sold any of
>those drm infected CDs, but I hate sony ok and Micro$oft too.  -- MZ

Geez that was nearly unreadable!  What I meant to say  was:  I don't
believe any of the DRM infected CDs were sold in Oz.  I hate $ony and
Micro$oft ; - )   -- MZ

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MikesBrain - 19 Nov 2005 15:12 GMT
2005-11-18, Responding to Mary Z...

>>I think you might be ok in oz not  I am not sure they sold any of
>>those drm infected CDs, but I hate sony ok and Micro$oft too.  -- MZ
>
> Geez that was nearly unreadable!  What I meant to say  was:  I don't
> believe any of the DRM infected CDs were sold in Oz.  I hate $ony and
> Micro$oft ; - )   -- MZa

And I hate the Romans already!

(Splitters! ;)

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Mary Z - 18 Nov 2005 16:00 GMT
>The bloggers and security expertise
>finally forced Sony to pull their malware.   Sony has the recall
>information on their website, and there are a list of titles that are
>affected by this software.

Ok the saga is not over yet it seems that  some of Sony's DRM source
code was ripped off from an open source project.  So Sony's copyright
protection violated copy right protection!

From PC Pro:
"If Sony BMG was hoping that the controversy surrounding its
copy-protected CDs was going to die away, it was reckoning without
infamous hacker Jon Lech Johansen, better known as DVD Jon.
It seems that the XCP software from UK company First4Internet that
Sony had been using to prevent unauthorised copying of its music CDs,
until it agreed to recall some 4.7 million discs, contains code
'infringing the copyright of several open source projects', Johansen
notes in his blog. This includes code that he himself wrote for VLC, a
free cross-platform media player.

The code was uncovered by Finnish software developer Matti Nikki, who
also discovered other copyright violations."

 I hope the lawsuits go on for years.  Sony needs to be kicked hard
for this fiasco.  This story seems to have taken on a life of its own.
-- MZ

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MikesBrain - 18 Nov 2005 21:08 GMT
2005-11-18, Responding to Mary Z...

[...]
> From PC Pro:
> "If Sony BMG was hoping that the controversy surrounding its
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>   I hope the lawsuits go on for years.  Sony needs to be kicked hard
> for this fiasco.  This story seems to have taken on a life of its own.

Nobody for kicking Micro$oft then? ;\

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Mary Z - 22 Nov 2005 20:37 GMT
>  I hope the lawsuits go on for years.  Sony needs to be kicked hard
>for this fiasco.  This story seems to have taken on a life of its own.

Ok the latest update  the state of Texas and the Electronic Frontier
has taken Sony to court for spyware.  From the LA Times:

Sony BMG Sued Over Anti-Piracy Software
The music label's system for protecting its CDs allegedly weakens a
computer's security.

By Charles Duhigg, Times Staff Writer

A California-based digital-rights group and the Texas attorney general
sued Sony BMG Music Entertainment on Monday for selling compact discs
with anti-piracy software that allegedly leaves computers vulnerable
to hackers and viruses.

The cases highlight the narrow line walked by the recording industry
as it experiments with ways to deter bootleggers. To be effective,
copy-protection systems must be tough to crack. But software that's
too intrusive risks alienating music buyers — as Sony BMG's so-called
XCP technology has.
....
Texas Atty. Gen. Greg Abbott said at a news conference to publicize
his suit that Sony BMG "hides on your computer secret files and then
they stick it to you by making your computer vulnerable to things like
viruses, spyware and even Internet-based crime." He wants the company
to pay $100,000 for every time a Texas computer user downloaded the
software.

A similar lawsuit filed by the Electronic Frontier Foundation alleged
that Sony BMG violated California's consumer protection and unfair
business practice laws by not adequately disclosing the effects of
XCP-enabled discs. In addition, two lawsuits against Sony BMG seeking
class-action status are pending in California and New York.

A representative for Sony BMG said the company did not comment on
pending litigation, but would cooperate fully with Abbott in resolving
the situation.

Hooray Sony is receiving their just rewards..... a solid Drming?

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Cooly - 23 Nov 2005 04:27 GMT
Mary,
You should  check out the security groups at news.grc.com
It's a free news server with groups discussing many topics, but
particuarly security.  The Sony fiasco has been
a hot topic the last two weeks. Here's a link telling about them.
http://www.imilly.com/noregrets
Cooly

>> I hope the lawsuits go on for years.  Sony needs to be kicked hard
>>for this fiasco.  This story seems to have taken on a life of its own.
MikesBrain - 23 Nov 2005 11:40 GMT
2005-11-22, Responding to Mary Z...

>>  I hope the lawsuits go on for years.  Sony needs to be kicked hard
>>for this fiasco.  This story seems to have taken on a life of its own.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> The music label's system for protecting its CDs allegedly weakens a
> computer's security.

And still not a squeak about the company that sells the
SOFTWARE that can be compromised in this way? (Note: WinDOHs
is the ONLY system you can do this kind of thing to like
this.)

Are we missing a HUGE point here perchance? ;\

If you buy a house with no back door lock and it gets
burgled, while its obvious the burgler is a criminal, would
it not also make sense to sue the house builder for
incompetant design and construction? Especially if its only
YOUR house getting burgled? 8(

Or better still, move house?

...

http://tinyurl.com/afc7p  "Concepts of file permissions"

...explains the basics of something WinDOHs systems don't
use. There are more things to understand when asking "Why is
WinDOHs still so easy to hack?", but this will give you a
clue-for-starters.

...

There is a defense Sony can/will use here, and that is that
WinDOHs users are partially responsible for their own system
compromises by using an OS as heavily documented as a
security risk as WinDOHs still is. (Plus the Sony/BMG EULA
of course, which won't be mentioned until its bail-out
time.)

It won't be worded quite like this of course, but keep your
eye on the news, it'll appear soon enough. ;)

(Ain't had this much fun since the SCO debacle! :)

Mike@N.UK
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spodosaurus - 23 Nov 2005 13:17 GMT
> 2005-11-22, Responding to Mary Z...
>
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>
> Or better still, move house?

Why not just fix the bloody door?

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MikesBrain - 23 Nov 2005 15:12 GMT
2005-11-23, Responding to spodosaurus...
>> 2005-11-22, Responding to Mary Z...
>>
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>
> Why not just fix the bloody door?

Great idea!

However... to push the (still practical) analogy a tad
further and reiterate my point in more detail...

What happens if the walls are so thin you can punch through
them? Or the hinges are so cheap you can virtually pull the
door out by hand? Or the Windows are so easy to get through
its hardly worth locking the crappy door?

And how about those shared attic spaces? What if your next
burgler comes through from inside next door's house? Or
crawls through the underneath and pops up in your kitchen?

Your wonderful idea, unfortunately, would only work if the
rest of the house was securable too.

Lets draw a more detailed picture here...

Two houses.

One has a typical layout, meaning once a burgler is in the
front door, the back door, a window, or whatever, they're in
and pretty much free to do as they like.

Now add a party full of house guests, who will inevitably
invite THEIR freinds, and a few gate-crashers while the
party continues.

Any suggestions as to how to hold on to your family silver
in this house?

The other house was built to be secure.

To get in it at all, you have to get past the scanners that
surround it. Fail this test and the house auto-locks. No way
in. You'll get recorded trying as well, and reports sent to
some other place.

Then, assuming you got to the front door, as trying anything
else would trigger those alarms and protection devices,
you'll need to convince it that you are who you say you are.
Faking it MAY get you into the hallway, but this may be a
containment trap (search "honeynet").

Then, IF you have a set of permission already allowed in the
house database, you can start to acces the areas and things
you have permission to access. Try switching on a light you
don't have permission to use, and you may be lucky and get a
caution its not your light. You may not even get to see the
switch however.

Try accessing the house's database, again, you might get a
warning, and certainly will be recorded and tracked, and a
record of your activities sent somewhere.

Actually manage to break into something, or figure out a
trick to get you past a door that does not have your name on
it, and guess what, alarms and recordings, and probably a
system shutdown if you push any harder.

Should you come back to this house, there's also a pretty
good chance it will recognise you, deny access (or treat
you to a "honeypot") and record where you came from for the
benefit of the admin/engineers. You won't know how many
mistakes it will allow you. It won't be many.

Try forcing a lock, and hear those bars drop behind you.

Try breaking a window. What window? >:)

Now which house would you keep your family silver in?

And which one would you let Cousin Sony into?
(Obvious answer right? But the point is good. ;)

So my point here is to outline the fact that IF you have a
house like the first example, its no surprise it got
burgled. The main problem with the Sony thing seems to be
that people got TOLD about it. This kind of thing is going
on ALL THE TIME! All those Windows Freebies, M$ updates,
other company's products, are all doing the same thing,
stealing data from your computer, collating complex
"demographic data" about you, but nobody seems to worry.

People don't usually worry because nothing TELLs them to
worry. No "You have been hacked and your ID recorded in
detail by a private commercial operation" warning messages,
no "Microsoft issue yet another serious security warning!"
(That'll be the day huh?)

What Sony have done is not new, its not even clever. The
ONLY thing they did wrong was risking exposing how OPEN a
Win_d'o$ OS is, and BillyCorp understandably got a bit
pissed off at this.

So, does THAT answer your question about

    "Why not just fix the bloody door?"

...perchance?

    8)

http://tinyurl.com/aw52k

...should give you an idea of what you're missing with a
Win_d'o$ OS. (There's plenty more sources of info available
should you wish to learn more.)

Mike@N.UK

P.S. House number two is free, and you can customise it too! :)

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Gwen Love - 23 Nov 2005 18:03 GMT
Mike, I bet your brain is tired after thinking all that up!
Gwen

> 2005-11-23, Responding to spodosaurus...
>>> 2005-11-22, Responding to Mary Z...
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MikesBrain - 23 Nov 2005 20:25 GMT
2005-11-23, Responding to Gwen Love...

[...]
>> So, does THAT answer your question about
>>
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> Mike, I bet your brain is tired after thinking all that up!
> Gwen

It was such a good question, it deserved the effort. :)

Actually, my biggest problem is cutting things back. The
original post needed some heavy snipping to get it down to
it's eventual size. ;)

As for a tired brain, its me that gets tired. My brain just
keeps running, night and day, week after week, month after
month, year after year, planet after planet....

er... ignore that last bit ok?    Beep.

Mike@N.UK (Not an alien honest! :)
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