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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Arthritis / November 2005OTP - Folds of our Flag
I'm not sure where they found all the info, but it is very appropriate for today and every day. Thanks veterans!!!! http://www.lancastereaglegazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051111/NEWS01/ 511110306/1002  SignatureMary Margaret Wilson Muffin's Guest House www.muffinsguesthouse.com > I'm not sure where they found all the info, but it is very appropriate for > today and every day. > > Thanks veterans!!!! > > http://www.lancastereaglegazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051111/NEWS01/ 511110306/1002 Thank you very much,,,, did not know most of that. A problem for todays world is the question that those that would burn it,,,, don't know any of that. Harv 2005-11-11, Responding to Harvey R. Stone... [...] Re: >> http://www.lancastereaglegazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051111/NEWS01/ 511110306/1002 > Thank you very much,,,, did not know most of that. A > problem for todays world is the question that those that > would burn it,,,, don't know any of that. Harv So why don't you ask a few? www.killinghope.org ...might have a clue or two for starters. I'm sure you could find more if you looked? BTW. Regarding the "one nation under God" bit... Which God? Whose God? And what about atheists? I never did figure that one out. Clues anyone? Signature---- * MikesBrain+WebStuff @ http://tinyurl.com/5ayqt - Have a nice day, it really does do you good! :) the answer is not complicated - while popular - it's in now way official: "It does not appear in the Flag Code and would appear to be in violation of military guidelines, in violation of the Establishment Clause. The Establishment Clause requires that expression not create the reasonable impression that the government is sponsoring, endorsing, or inhibiting religion generally, or favoring or disfavoring a particular religion" there is an older explanation: Flag Folding from The Sons of the American Revolution A properly proportioned flag will fold 13 times on the triangles, representing the 13 Original Colonies. When finally complete the triangular folded flag is emblematical of the tri-corner hat worn by the Patriots of the American Revolution. When folded no red or white stripe is to be evident leaving only the honor field of blue and stars. > 2005-11-11, Responding to Harvey R. Stone... > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > * MikesBrain+WebStuff @ http://tinyurl.com/5ayqt > - Have a nice day, it really does do you good! :) 2005-11-12, Responding to Paul T. Holland... >> BTW. Regarding the "one nation under God" bit... >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > or inhibiting religion generally, or favoring or > disfavoring a particular religion" So the article posted about is more fantasy/spin than truth? See, thats where things get all confusing. There is so much indulgence in flag-waving and tub-thumping about things American, its almost impossible to tell the difference between established fact and ingrained myth, and sometimes the two appear to have been welded together. Maybe Ned Flanders is real? 8\ Signature---- * MikesBrain+WebStuff @ http://tinyurl.com/5ayqt - Have a nice day, it really does do you good! :) > 2005-11-12, Responding to Paul T. Holland... Perhaps I can sort this out once and for all: What do the folds in the flag mean? They mean that some is going to put it away and give it a rest. Thank you for your attention. weeeeel - here's the rub: while it's not supposed to be 'official' it is in fact used in many - even official - circumstances. i have heard it used at some military academy functions. it's more along the lines of the pledge of allegiance - many believe that 'under god' has always been in it, not knowing that it was added at the beginning of the 'cold war' era. part and parcel of the 'fight against godless communism' movement. used here, then there, and over time just becomes 'normal' usage - even if it's not in the 'code'. what is fact is that the method of folding goes back to the first stars and stripes flags, and 'then' it was all about the origin of the new union of states. this religious connotation seems to have first cropped up in late 40's early 50's so, very contemporary. > 2005-11-12, Responding to Paul T. Holland... > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > * MikesBrain+WebStuff @ http://tinyurl.com/5ayqt > - Have a nice day, it really does do you good! :) I remember (somewhat) the consternation it caused in elementary school for kids who had finally learned "The Pledge" who then had to relearn it. I think I was in third grade. Of course, I also had a teacher who started every day with a very religious prayer of "Her Religion". She insisted that all of the children had to recite it with her, no matter what religion their families practiced. I believe that this kind of thing was one of the reasons that some people started protesting about prayer in public schools. By the way, when my brother had the same teacher four years earlier, she flunked him because he was left handed and would right with his right. She said that his refusal to write right handed was disobedience. My father went to the principal and got that straightened out. The joys of childhood. > weeeeel - here's the rub: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > union of states. this religious connotation seems to have first cropped > up in late 40's early 50's so, very contemporary. It seems to me I heard somewhere that Paul T. Holland wrote in article <4377D21C.52A307D3@bellatlantic.net>: >weeeeel - here's the rub: >while it's not supposed to be 'official' it is in fact used in many - >even official - circumstances. i have heard it used at some military >academy functions. >it's more along the lines of the pledge of allegiance - many believe >that 'under god' has always been in it, not knowing that it was added at >the beginning of the 'cold war' era. part and parcel of the 'fight >against godless communism' movement. And similarly it's worth remembering that the Star Spangled Banner was pretty much just another song until 1931 although it was in use by the US military from 1916. [. . .] SignatureDon Kirkman 2005-11-13, Responding to Paul T. Holland... [...] >> So the article posted about is more fantasy/spin than truth? >> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > used here, then there, and over time just becomes 'normal' > usage - even if it's not in the 'code'. So its a Micro$oft thing then? 8) > what is fact is that the method of folding goes back to > the first stars and stripes flags, and 'then' it was all > about the origin of the new union of states. this > religious connotation seems to have first cropped up in > late 40's early 50's so, very contemporary. Hmmm... One nation under Hollywood? Edward Bernaiz has a lot to answer for methinks. And George Lucas... ;\ Signature---- * MikesBrain+WebStuff @ http://tinyurl.com/5ayqt - Have a nice day, it really does do you good! :) > there is an older explanation: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > stripe is to be evident > leaving only the honor field of blue and stars. that's the explanation I got many years ago in Girl Scouts. I hadn't bothered to look at the link posted until seeing the responses because I assumed it would be the explanation we were all told back then. I've never encountered the explanation from the Lancaster paper before and it is too overly sentimentalized for my tastes. SignatureNann remove the Gator cheer to email me Simply the thing I am shall make me live --- William Shakespeare >the answer is not complicated - while popular - it's in now way official: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >by the Patriots of the American Revolution. When folded no red or white stripe is to be evident >leaving only the honor field of blue and stars. For my part it did not go unnoticed that the USMC were in attendance at todays Remembrance Parade in London. Thank you to all Veterans that gave their lives for our future. "Remember me and say, for your tomorrow, I gave my today" Thanks so much - even though I was in the military, I don't remember learning this. Loujean >I'm not sure where they found all the info, but it is very appropriate for >today and every day. > >Thanks veterans!!!! > >http://www.lancastereaglegazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051111/NEWS01/ 511110306/1002 |
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