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jb - 07 Nov 2005 08:23 GMT
Hi folks
It is 3 am and this pain just won't let me sleep;. last trip to the RD last
month, he upped my oxycontin 20 mg to 3 a day and I swear I don t feel like
they do as much good as a Tylenol. does anyone have this same problem?  A
few months  ago they started filling my RX with generic. do you think it
possible that the generic may not be working? I have   another appt  in
early dec and I will discuss it with him. I am wondering  if he can get me
off that oxy and find something  else that would help. I thought that oxy
was a very powerful med but either it has worn out for  me or the generic is
not working. has anyone else had either of these problems?
I do need some relief
gonna try going to bed again to sleep
janice
spodosaurus - 07 Nov 2005 09:52 GMT
> Hi folks
> It is 3 am and this pain just won't let me sleep;. last trip to the RD last
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> gonna try going to bed again to sleep
> janice

A few comments, just off the top of my head:
- if your pain is getting worse, there may have been a progression in
the disease process that needs to be evaluated or reevaluated.
- sometimes people habituate to the levels of painkillers they're given.
This is a very tricky business, especially with these drugs, and a pain
management specialist may need to be consulted.
- why not take tylenol (aka panadol aka acetominophen) along with the
oxycontin? A lot of people find it gives them just that little bit more
relief
- discuss sleeping tablets with your RD. Stillnox is supposed to be much
less addictive than other sleeping pills, but I find Ativan to be the
most effective for me with fewer side effects the next day.

Cheers,

Ari

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RK - 07 Nov 2005 10:57 GMT
| Hi folks
| It is 3 am and this pain just won't let me sleep;. last trip to the RD last
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
| gonna try going to bed again to sleep
| janice

what anti-inflamitories are you taking?  oxycontin isn't an anti-inflamitory
it
wont help with the swelling.  after 14yrs I've learned go for the source
first then
the pain will help ease itself.
Harvey R. Stone - 07 Nov 2005 12:59 GMT
> what anti-inflamitories are you taking?  oxycontin isn't an
> anti-inflamitory
> it
> wont help with the swelling.  after 14yrs I've learned go for the source
> first then
> the pain will help ease itself.

Well said and the way it is.   It is the DMARD-disease modifying drugs that
change your life if you have inflam.arth.\\

Harv
pixi - 07 Nov 2005 14:11 GMT
What kind of arthritis?  Mine is just inflamatory but the pain gets awful at
times?  I have it in my right shoulder and left hip.  Either or both of
which wakes me up at night.  Or keeps me from going to sleep, depending on
which side I lay on.

The Dr perscribed (prescriped???) Ultracet but it doesn't do any more than
just Tylenol.  He gives me sort of shot that the nurses call Cortizone but
it isn't..  Cortizone hurts when it goes in and keeps me pain free for quite
a while.  The stuff he shoots with can almost be put in the muscle or the
joint.  Last time I insisted on the joint but it doesn't do any good at all.
It is not Cortizone.

If I am pain free when I first try to sleep I can go to sleep without a
pill.  But after 2 to 4 hours the pain is there and even if I can get rid of
it (heat helps a lot) I cannot go back to sleep without a pill.  I have been
taking Lunesta which is not supposed to be habit forming.  It works just
fine but the insurance company may cut me off.   It is very, very expensive.

I am seeing an orthopedic man in a couple of weeks.  My family physician
swears I should have a hip replacement but I'll never see 80 again and I
really don't want it.

Well, I have wept and wailed long enough.  Thanks for the shoulders.
(Painfree, I hope.)

Pixi

> | Hi folks
> | It is 3 am and this pain just won't let me sleep;. last trip to the RD
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> first then
> the pain will help ease itself.
Harvey R. Stone - 07 Nov 2005 16:11 GMT
> What kind of arthritis?  Mine is just inflamatory but the pain gets awful
> at
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>
> Pixi

Hi Pixi,,,,,,   No matter how old you are,,,, it does not mean you should
live in pain or with pain to this extent.
Please,,,,, please see a Rheumatologist.
   No matter what doctor you see,,, you have misunderstandings about what
is taking place and sometimes we have to force out doctor to tell us what is
taking place.    The sad part of this is your doctor may not know what is
taking place.  Please see a RD and continue to post here with questions or
just to say how you feel or my doctor said this or that.
   Believe me when I say that you will find that many have been there and
want to help you with what is taking place.  Even though you are over 80,,,
it is not to late to learn and share what has taken place in your life so
that someone else does not let there problems go until it is too late for a
joint or joints.
   I have tried to be a honest as I can with you and in no way should you
read any of it as a critism of yourself but I can not say the same for the
doctor that let you get this way.
Harv
pixi - 07 Nov 2005 21:36 GMT
> > What kind of arthritis?  Mine is just inflamatory but the pain gets awful
> > at
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> doctor that let you get this way.
> Harv
pixi - 07 Nov 2005 21:43 GMT
Thank you Harvy.  I needed that.   I have no idea where to find a
Rheumatologist closer than 170 miles.  I live in the back of beyond.  We
have doctors here, of course, but not specialists.   The orthopedic man I am
going to see on the 23rd is 70 miles from here.

Never thought I would get so old and decrepit or I would never have moved
here.   I am sure that many have been here and much worse.  At least it
isn't rheumatoid.  I limp when I walk because of the pain and my fingers are
a bit crooked but I have no stiffness or swelling.  Otherwise, I'm in find
shape.

Could use a good night's sleep though.

Thanks again.

Pixi

> Hi Pixi,,,,,,   No matter how old you are,,,, it does not mean you should
> live in pain or with pain to this extent.
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> doctor that let you get this way.
> Harv
Gwen Love - 08 Nov 2005 01:41 GMT
Pixi, no matter if you are 90, a hip replacement is a good thing.  You do
have to do therapy afterward, but it is well worth it!
Gwen

> What kind of arthritis?  Mine is just inflamatory but the pain gets awful
> at
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>> first then
>> the pain will help ease itself.
Jo Firey - 08 Nov 2005 04:13 GMT
> Pixi, no matter if you are 90, a hip replacement is a good thing.  You do
> have to do therapy afterward, but it is well worth it!
> Gwen

Its been at least fifteen years since I met a client that I thought of as
old and sick at the time.  When I learned he was going for hip replacements
I privately thought it was a terrible idea.  Why would someone so near the
end of their life put themselves through such misery.

Its been a delight to get  to know him and his wife.  He turned out to have
a wonderful sense of humor.  I'll miss them.  They sold their house and
moved to Arizona last year.

Jo
Nann Bell - 08 Nov 2005 03:43 GMT
Hey Pixi,

I accidently deleted your post about how far you are from specialists, so I'm
answering on this one instead.  It might be worth it to check around and see
if any specialists do any traveling to sites closer to you.  I say that
because my RD's main office is 80 miles away but twice/month he has a clinic
just 35 miles from me - and once/month he's about 50 miles away.  I think he
has another remote office now that he has a partner, but I forget where - it
isn't closer to me than where I've been seeing him!  I had to see him at the
main office originally, but now I get to see hime closer.

The ortho who's gonna be working on my thumbs is also 80 miles away.  We do
have a few in the town 25 miles from us, but none who specialize in hands.

It might really be worth it to see if you can see an RD or a pain specialist.
Heck, however many years you have left, you ought to be able to enjoy them
as much as possible!

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> What kind of arthritis?  Mine is just inflamatory but the pain gets awful at
> times?  I have it in my right shoulder and left hip.  Either or both of
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>
> Pixi
Squirrely - 08 Nov 2005 05:23 GMT
At one point I had to have shot in shoulder area. It did not feel like when
they give me shot of cortizone but that was because the dr used lanocaine in
it. It helped numb it so I didn't feel the burning and after affects that I
usually get. Maybe that is what they did to you too.

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Good thoughts coming your way too.

Squirrely Jo

> What kind of arthritis?  Mine is just inflamatory but the pain gets awful
> at
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>
> Pixi
Butterfly - 07 Nov 2005 16:03 GMT
I ended up with a Pain Management Dr. The combo of pain meds 30MG every 8
hours and painkilling/cortisone shots have helped tremendously. I now can
sew a bit (20 min instead of just 10) and can make dinner. On my really good
days I can also do laundry, but my guys have to carry the clothes to/from.
If I would have known I was going to be this bad I would have had the
washer/dryer put into the bathroom next to the bedrooms instead of a large
linen closet.

Butterfly

> Hi folks
> It is 3 am and this pain just won't let me sleep;. last trip to the RD
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> gonna try going to bed again to sleep
> janice
pixi - 07 Nov 2005 20:02 GMT
> I ended up with a Pain Management Dr. The combo of pain meds 30MG every 8
> hours and painkilling/cortisone shots have helped tremendously. I now can
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> > gonna try going to bed again to sleep
> > janice
Rosemarie Shiver - 07 Nov 2005 21:31 GMT
 Oxycontin is long acting. You may need additional breakthru for at bedtime
when yer weary and the pain isn't adequately controlled.

  If yer doing OK thru the day and it's bedtime when yer in pain discuss a
breakthru PK( short-acting) to get you to sleep.

HTH!

Hugs from Rosie

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> Hi folks
> It is 3 am and this pain just won't let me sleep;. last trip to the RD last
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> gonna try going to bed again to sleep
> janice
Squirrely - 08 Nov 2005 05:25 GMT
Oh Janice,

I am sorry to hear you are in such pain. Wishing you some sleep. Sending
healing vibes your way. I feel for you sweetie.

Dec is a long time to wait. Could you not put a call in to him now and see
if he can prescribe something that works.

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Love and hugs to all
Good thoughts coming your way too.

Squirrely Jo

> Hi folks
> It is 3 am and this pain just won't let me sleep;. last trip to the RD
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> gonna try going to bed again to sleep
> janice
 
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